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* ScifiGhetto: A weird example. The film adaptation of a popular ''fantasy'' game series goes for a decidedly grounded ScienceFantasy genre. This is possibly because HighFantasy simply wasn't done on the big screen when the film was greenlit (''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' wouldn't get released until after this one bombed), as well as the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII more familiar]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Western releases]] in the franchise being more sci-fi than fantasy.

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* ScifiGhetto: A weird example. The film adaptation of a popular ''fantasy'' game series goes for a decidedly grounded ScienceFantasy genre. This is possibly because HighFantasy simply wasn't done on the big screen when the film was greenlit (''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' wouldn't get released until six months after this one bombed), as well as the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII more familiar]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Western releases]] in the franchise being more sci-fi than fantasy.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: At the time, each ''Final Fantasy'' title was standalone with ([[Anime/FinalFantasyLegendOfTheCrystals almost]]) no sequels or spin-offs, so a tie-in was not as guaranteed as it might be [[Anime/KingsglaiveFinalFantasyXV later]]. However, ''Final Fantasy'' had also only started to dip into sci-fi, and was still at least ScienceFantasy. A movie that was neither directly tied to any existing game, nor even in the same genre by taking place in ''Earth's'' future, had almost nothing in common with the rest of the franchise at the time. ''Final Fantasy'' fans had no reason to be invested, and mainstream audiences were turned away by it being connected to a video game in the first place.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: At the time, each ''Final Fantasy'' title was standalone with ([[Anime/FinalFantasyLegendOfTheCrystals almost]]) no sequels or spin-offs, so a tie-in was not as guaranteed as it might be [[Anime/KingsglaiveFinalFantasyXV later]]. However, ''Final Fantasy'' had also only started to dip into sci-fi, and was still at least ScienceFantasy.largely experimenting with [[ScienceFantasy limited sci-fi elements in otherwise fantasy worlds]]. A movie that was neither directly tied to any existing game, nor even in the same genre by taking place in ''Earth's'' future, had almost nothing in common with the rest of the franchise at the time. ''Final Fantasy'' fans had no reason to be invested, and mainstream audiences were turned away by it being connected to a video game in the first place.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: An adaptation of a popular RPG video game series, that doesn't actually adapt ''any'' of the games' stories or characters? Many people suggest that the backlash wouldn't have been as severe if "''Final Fantasy''" wasn't in the title.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: At the time, each ''Final Fantasy'' title was standalone with ([[Anime/FinalFantasyLegendOfTheCrystals almost]]) no sequels or spin-offs, so a tie-in was not as guaranteed as it might be [[Anime/KingsglaiveFinalFantasyXV later]]. However, ''Final Fantasy'' had also only started to dip into sci-fi, and was still at least ScienceFantasy. A movie that was neither directly tied to any existing game, nor even in the same genre by taking place in ''Earth's'' future, had almost nothing in common with the rest of the franchise at the time. ''Final Fantasy'' fans had no reason to be invested, and mainstream audiences were turned away by it being connected to a video game in the first place.
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An adaptation of a popular RPG video game series, that doesn't actually adapt ''any'' of the games' stories or characters? Many people suggest that the backlash wouldn't have been as severe if "''Final Fantasy''" wasn't in the title.

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* UncannyValley: Being the first animated film to use photorealistic visuals (and without MotionCapture mind you), it's inevitable the film would fall into the valley. The human characters all look like they're made out of plastic and their overall movements, especially facial expressions, can sometimes be unnatural.



* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.

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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive. Especially at the time it was made, when even Creator/{{Pixar}} struggled with animating realistic CGI (granted, Pixar always intended to stick to cartoonish designs, but still).
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Neil jokes about hoping to have kids, to which Jane responds "that's a spooky thought". [[spoiler: Not so funny when Jane physically has to watch him die]].

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: HarsherInHindsight: Neil jokes about hoping to have kids, to which Jane responds "that's a spooky thought". [[spoiler: Not so funny when Jane physically has to watch him die]].
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* UncannyValley: A worthy first effort, but...
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* SciFiGhetto: A weird example. The film adaptation of a popular ''fantasy'' game series goes for a decidedly grounded ScienceFantasy genre. This is possibly because HighFantasy simply wasn't done on the big screen when the film was greenlit (''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' wouldn't get released until after this one bombed), as well as the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII more familiar]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Western releases]] in the franchise being more sci-fi than fantasy.

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* SciFiGhetto: ScifiGhetto: A weird example. The film adaptation of a popular ''fantasy'' game series goes for a decidedly grounded ScienceFantasy genre. This is possibly because HighFantasy simply wasn't done on the big screen when the film was greenlit (''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' wouldn't get released until after this one bombed), as well as the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII more familiar]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Western releases]] in the franchise being more sci-fi than fantasy.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The banter between Neil and Jane is either just friendly, or he could be flirting with her. Notably when she tells him to get a girlfriend, he winks and says "I'm working on it" - and alludes to Jane always picking on him in a {{Tsundere}} way.

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The banter between Neil and Jane is either just friendly, or he could be flirting with her. Notably when she tells him to get a girlfriend, he winks and says "I'm working on it" - and alludes to Jane always picking on him in a {{Tsundere}} way.way.
** General Hein stopping at nothing to [[spoiler: continue firing the Zeus Cannon into the Phantom Crater]], even when his own workers warn him that it's overheating. Ostensibly he hates the Phantoms and wants to exterminate them at all costs. But what if there's more to it than that? After [[spoiler: the Phantoms overrun New York thanks to his plan, he goes MyGodWhatHaveIDone]], so it's possible he's so determined because he thinks he can justify going to such extremes if it results in wiping the Phantoms out? Or does he think he'll be found out eventually and this makes for a SuicideByCop scenario that'll hopefully take out the Phantoms too?



* BrokenBase: A lot of fans were annoyed that none of the games were adapted to the big screen before ''Spirits Within'', while others argue that each game is unconnected and it makes sense that the film would be too.

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A lot of fans were annoyed that none of the games were adapted to the big screen before ''Spirits Within'', while others argue that each game is unconnected and it makes sense that the film would be too.too.
** Ming-Na Wen's performance. Half of viewers found her flat, dull and lifeless - supposedly so that Aki Ross could be a blank slate. Others find her brilliantly expressive, conveying a lot of subtle emotion.


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* SciFiGhetto: A weird example. The film adaptation of a popular ''fantasy'' game series goes for a decidedly grounded ScienceFantasy genre. This is possibly because HighFantasy simply wasn't done on the big screen when the film was greenlit (''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' wouldn't get released until after this one bombed), as well as the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII more familiar]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII Western releases]] in the franchise being more sci-fi than fantasy.


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* UncertainAudience: [[https://volodymyrbilyk.medium.com/tragedy-of-final-fantasy-the-spirits-within-cfe92b6a7903 Suggested here]] that Square didn't seem to know if they wanted to market the film to a mainstream audience or fans of the games. As a result, it turned off mainstream audiences who brushed it off as another [[VideoGameMoviesSuck bad video game movie]] and alienated ''Final Fantasy'' fans who viewed it as InNameOnly.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of the whole "Roger Ebert vs. video gamers" brouhaha, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving it a 3.5-star review. In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{Film/Hitman}}'', the ''[[Film/LaraCroftTombRaider Tomb Raider]]'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.
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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: The Phantoms are stuck in a dream-like state, lashing out at everything around them, unsure of what is reality. The larger beasts are just gigantic wildlife that have no idea what's going on as well.

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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: The Phantoms are stuck in a dream-like state, lashing out at everything around them, unsure of what is reality. The larger beasts are just gigantic wildlife that have no idea what's going on as well.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: The film is based off a video game and features a futuristic war against aliens with commandos that [[CollisionDamage die in one touch]]. Should have been adapted as ''VideoGame/{{Contra}}''.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A variation. Plenty of ''Final Fantasy'' fans were annoyed that it wasn't an adaptation of their favourite game and hated it for being a standalone story. This has been cited as one of several possible factors in the movie's failure.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A variation. Plenty of ''Final Fantasy'' fans were annoyed that it wasn't an adaptation of their favourite game and hated it for being a standalone story. Just as well, though, a standalone story that didn't have Final Fantasy staples aside from Dr. Cid. This has been cited as one of several possible factors in the movie's failure.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: An adaptation of a popular RPG video game series, that doesn't actually adapt ''any'' of the games' stories or characters? Many people suggest that the backlash wouldn't have been as severe if 'Final Fantasy' wasn't in the title.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: An adaptation of a popular RPG video game series, that doesn't actually adapt ''any'' of the games' stories or characters? Many people suggest that the backlash wouldn't have been as severe if 'Final Fantasy' "''Final Fantasy''" wasn't in the title.



* BrokenBase: A lot of fans were annoyed that none of the games were adapted to the big screen, while others argue that each game is unconnected and it makes sense that the film would be too.

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* BrokenBase: A lot of fans were annoyed that none of the games were adapted to the big screen, screen before ''Spirits Within'', while others argue that each game is unconnected and it makes sense that the film would be too.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors." These days, the film resembles a 100 minute cutscene for an eighth-generation video game.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the standards of mid-2000's moving forward, the animation (especially facial) facial expression) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors." These days, As CGI technology improved, the film in retrospect, resembles a 100 minute cutscene for an eighth-generation video game.



* VindicatedByHistory: Didn't do that well with critics (Creator/RogerEbert [[https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/final-fantasy-the-spirits-within-2001 loved]] it, however) or audiences when it came out. These days it's got a lot more fans, who praise the SceneryPorn and overall story. It's bordering on CultClassic as the years go by.

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Didn't do that well with critics (Creator/RogerEbert [[https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/final-fantasy-the-spirits-within-2001 loved]] it, however) or audiences when it came out. These days it's got a lot more fans, who praise the SceneryPorn and overall story. It's bordering on CultClassic as the years go by.

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* PlotHole: So how has nobody ''noticed'' the lake of glowing blue shit that's apparently a few hundred feet below the surface of the Earth?
** How many people have risked leaving safe zones? Only a handful of people have even left the domes to even do cursory investigation.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors." These days, the film resembles a 100 minute cutscene.

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* PlotHole: So how has nobody ''noticed'' the lake of glowing blue shit that's apparently a few hundred feet below the surface of the Earth?
** How many people have risked leaving safe zones? Only a handful of people have even left the domes to even do cursory investigation.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors." These days, the film resembles a 100 minute cutscene.cutscene for an eighth-generation video game.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Hein decides that the best way to convince the Council to use the Zeus Cannon is to let phantoms into the city. Even if the phantoms hadn't spread faster than he expected, his plan was still guaranteed to get people killed.
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Nothing in the movie indicates Hein's plan had much chance of success.


* DesignatedVillain: The film has the problem that Hein is, for the most part, ''completely right'' in terms of his reasoning based on the known facts, and we're supposed to disagree with him because he's kind of a jerk and dresses like a Nazi. There's no proof Sid's plan will achieve anything useful (even he later says he has no idea what completing the wave will do, and his grand proof is that a tiny test rig has failed to kill one Phantom), Sid has been doing the equivalent of smuggling a live nuclear bomb into the last barrier city without telling the guy who's in charge of protecting it, and the council approves the construction of the Zeus Cannon, using a huge amount of no-doubt precious resources, and then hesitates to use it because of an objection that is primarily based on, of all things, Sid's new-agey religious beliefs.
** Except Cid's the only person whose created an effective defense against the Phantoms and is the only one who's done ''any'' research on them. All anti-Phantom technology is based on ''his'' work.
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* DancingBear: The whole point of the movie was to introduce the possibility for AnimatedActors to become a regular thing. Unfortunately, it seems their way of getting this across was to make Aki a total blank slate to ease her being slotted into various roles, with Ming-Na Wen even seeming to have been instructed to play the role as flat as humanly possible, since anyone who's seen a single other role of hers knows she's certainly capable of far more emotion. The result was that the audience was given absolutely no reason to care about seeing Aki ever again, and the idea died in its crib.
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** How many people have risked leaving safe zones? Only a handful of people have even left the domes to even do cursory investigation.
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** Except Cid's the only person whose created an effective defense against the Phantoms and is the only one who's done ''any'' research on them. All anti-Phantom technology is based on ''his'' work.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors."

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors."" These days, the film resembles a 100 minute cutscene.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Didn't do that well with critics (Creator/RogerEbert loved it, however) or audiences when it came out. These days it's got a lot more fans, who praise the SceneryPorn and overall story. It's bordering on CultClassic as the years go by.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Didn't do that well with critics (Creator/RogerEbert loved [[https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/final-fantasy-the-spirits-within-2001 loved]] it, however) or audiences when it came out. These days it's got a lot more fans, who praise the SceneryPorn and overall story. It's bordering on CultClassic as the years go by.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Didn't do that well with critics or audiences when it came out. These days it's got a lot more fans, who praise the SceneryPorn and overall story. It's bordering on CultClassic as the years go by.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Didn't do that well with critics (Creator/RogerEbert loved it, however) or audiences when it came out. These days it's got a lot more fans, who praise the SceneryPorn and overall story. It's bordering on CultClassic as the years go by.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: While not quite as good as the hype was promising, lots of effort was put into the effects for the film, and some parts are quite impressive.
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** The "virtual actor" concept seemed pretty pie-in-the-sky, but the idea (a single character model and voice being used to fill many potential roles over different projects) ended up being oddly prescient of machinima, especially ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' SFM projects.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving it a 3.5-star review. In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{Film/Hitman}}'', the ''[[Film/LaraCroftTombRaider Tomb Raider]]'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.

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* HilariousInHindsight: In light of Roger the whole "Roger Ebert vs. video gamers, gamers" brouhaha, Ebert gave the film one of its best reviews, calling it revolutionary in terms of its visuals and giving it a 3.5-star review. In fact, Ebert has given more positive reviews to video game adaptations than any other major critic, with additional positive reviews for ''{{Film/Hitman}}'', the ''[[Film/LaraCroftTombRaider Tomb Raider]]'' films, and ''Film/MortalKombat''.

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* AnimationAgeGhetto: An interesting case. It wasn't marketed as a typical animated film, perhaps due to the awareness of this phenomenon, but adult audiences avoided it anyway. Notably, it did not perform any better in Japan, where the ''Final Fantasy'' franchise was created and is quite popular.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A variation. Plenty of ''Final Fantasy'' fans were annoyed that it wasn't an adaptation of their favourite game and hated it for being a standalone story.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: A variation. Plenty of ''Final Fantasy'' fans were annoyed that it wasn't an adaptation of their favourite game and hated it for being a standalone story. This has been cited as one of several possible factors in the movie's failure.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors."

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: By today's standards, the animation (especially facial) is nothing to write home about, but considering the film came out 3 years before the first movie in performance capture (''ThePolarExpress'')...(''WesternAnimation/ThePolarExpress'')... well, at the time it was pretty damn impressive. It certainly scared the hell out of the Screen Actors' Guild when it released, who sent a few representatives out to talk to media outlets about how they didn't support the burgeoning rise of "virtual actors."
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* DesignatedVillain: The film has the problem that Hein is, for the most part, ''completely right'', and we're supposed to disagree with him because he's kind of a jerk and dresses like a Nazi. There's no proof Sid's plan will achieve anything useful (even he later says he has no idea what completing the wave will do, and his grand proof is that a tiny test rig has failed to kill one Phantom), Sid has been doing the equivalent of smuggling a live nuclear bomb into the last barrier city without telling the guy who's in charge of protecting it, and the council approves the construction of the Zeus Cannon, using a huge amount of no-doubt precious resources, and then hesitates to use it because of an objection that is primarily based on, of all things, Sid's new-agey religious beliefs.

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* DesignatedVillain: The film has the problem that Hein is, for the most part, ''completely right'', right'' in terms of his reasoning based on the known facts, and we're supposed to disagree with him because he's kind of a jerk and dresses like a Nazi. There's no proof Sid's plan will achieve anything useful (even he later says he has no idea what completing the wave will do, and his grand proof is that a tiny test rig has failed to kill one Phantom), Sid has been doing the equivalent of smuggling a live nuclear bomb into the last barrier city without telling the guy who's in charge of protecting it, and the council approves the construction of the Zeus Cannon, using a huge amount of no-doubt precious resources, and then hesitates to use it because of an objection that is primarily based on, of all things, Sid's new-agey religious beliefs.
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** Hein is depicted as paranoid for suspecting Aki and Sid might not be on the up and up for sneaking the Phantom-infected Aki into the Barrier City repeatedly, despite that they have no proof their containment system won't suddenly fail, no safeguards in place if it does, and haven't told the guy in charge of security that one of them is a walking bomb that could compromise the city's security at any moment. Seeing this as a possible trojan horse strategy by the Phantoms is actually fairly ''sensible'' given the extent to which they both needlessly lied to him and the council about it.

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