History YMMV / FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya

29th Apr '16 12:48:37 PM Sayutsuki
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** Still others are [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy simply tired]] of ''3rei's'' [[ToneShift considerably more serious tone]] regardless of the characters involved, which the current arc has only [[DarkerAndEdgier exacerbated further]]. Previously, ''3rei'' had paced its more serious drama and action with a plentiful sprinkling of comedy and Fanservice in between, even showing [[spoiler:the Ainsworths']] ([[FauxAffablyEvil Faux]]) AffablyEvil side, and if pacing didn't allow for such breaks there were often [[BreatherEpisode purely comedic side-chapters]] to give the reader a break. In contrast, this story has seen CerebusSyndrome in full effect, being a nonstop TraumaCongaLine for [[spoiler:Shirou]] approaching levels of bleakness that wouldn't be out of place in ''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Heaven's Feel]]'' or ''LightNovel/FateZero'', and [[ShooOutTheClowns without a single side chapter or appearance by the regular cast to break the tension]]. You'd find it hard to believe the series started as a lighthearted love letter to the MagicalGirl genre.

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** Still others are [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy simply tired]] of ''3rei's'' [[ToneShift considerably more serious tone]] regardless of the characters involved, which the current arc has only [[DarkerAndEdgier exacerbated further]]. Previously, ''3rei'' had paced its more serious drama and action with a plentiful sprinkling of comedy and Fanservice in between, even showing [[spoiler:the Ainsworths']] ([[FauxAffablyEvil Faux]]) AffablyEvil side, and if pacing didn't allow for such breaks there were often [[BreatherEpisode purely comedic side-chapters]] to give the reader a break. In contrast, this story has seen CerebusSyndrome in full effect, being a nonstop TraumaCongaLine for [[spoiler:Shirou]] approaching levels of bleakness that wouldn't be out of place in ''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Heaven's Feel]]'' or ''LightNovel/FateZero'', and [[ShooOutTheClowns without a single side chapter or appearance and hardly any appearances by the regular cast to break the tension]]. You'd find it hard to believe the series started as a lighthearted love letter to the MagicalGirl genre.
28th Apr '16 8:08:13 AM Sayutsuki
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation/BaseBreaker: [[spoiler:The Ainsworths]], especially [[spoiler:Julian]]. Are they a group of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] or sociopathic monsters willing to abuse a little girl for a plan that might not even work? While their backstory and explanations point heavily towards the former, [[KickTheDog some of the actions they do]] are without a doubt the second. Some fans may sympathize with them, but others share [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou's]] desire to kill them as slowly and painfully as possible.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation/BaseBreaker: ArcFatigue: While nearly all fans agree that [[spoiler:Miyu's brother]] is indeed [[AlternateUniverseReedRichardsIsAwesome awesome]], some feel ''Drei's'' story arc exploring [[HowWeGotHere his and Miyu's backstory]] has overstayed its welcome. Having gone on for 10+ chapters with any final resolution at least several more chapters away, it's not hard to see why (by comparison, the entire original series ran for just 13 chapters). Making this even worse is the fact that the general details of the story are a ForegoneConclusion.
** As of this writing, [[OutOfFocus Illya & friends have not appeared on-panel for ten chapters]]. Given that Illya is the title character and [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou]] wasn't properly introduced until just a few chapters before, some people have taken issue with this. Long-time fans have thrown out accusations that [[spoiler:Shirou]] has [[SpotlightStealingSquad hijacked the series]] and the author is [[WolverinePublicity deliberately pandering]] to [[JustHereForGodzilla new fans drawn in by his appearance]].
** Still others are [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy simply tired]] of ''3rei's'' [[ToneShift considerably more serious tone]] regardless of the characters involved, which the current arc has only [[DarkerAndEdgier exacerbated further]]. Previously, ''3rei'' had paced its more serious drama and action with a plentiful sprinkling of comedy and Fanservice in between, even showing [[spoiler:the Ainsworths']] ([[FauxAffablyEvil Faux]]) AffablyEvil side, and if pacing didn't allow for such breaks there were often [[BreatherEpisode purely comedic side-chapters]] to give the reader a break. In contrast, this story has seen CerebusSyndrome in full effect, being a nonstop TraumaCongaLine for [[spoiler:Shirou]] approaching levels of bleakness that wouldn't be out of place in ''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Heaven's Feel]]'' or ''LightNovel/FateZero'', and [[ShooOutTheClowns without a single side chapter or appearance by the regular cast to break the tension]]. You'd find it hard to believe the series started as a lighthearted love letter to the MagicalGirl genre.
* {{Alternate Character Interpretation}}/{{Base Breaker}}:
[[spoiler:The Ainsworths]], especially [[spoiler:Julian]]. Are they a group of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] or sociopathic monsters willing to abuse a little girl for a plan that might not even work? While their backstory and explanations point heavily towards the former, [[KickTheDog some of the actions they do]] are without a doubt the second. Some fans may sympathize with them, but others share [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou's]] desire to kill them as slowly and painfully as possible.



* JustHereForGodzilla: [[spoiler:Quite a number of non-yuri fans intentionally jumped in after knowing that Gilgamesh appears along with Gates of Babylon, Vimana and Ea.]]

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* JustHereForGodzilla: [[spoiler:Quite Quite a number of non-yuri fans intentionally jumped in after knowing that Gilgamesh [[spoiler:Gilgamesh appears along with Gates of Babylon, Vimana and Ea.]]]]
** Likewise, TheReveal that Miyu's brother is [[spoiler:an [[AlternateUniverseReedRichardsIsAwesome alternate Shirou Emiya]]]] has gotten the series a lot of attention from mainline [[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Fate]] fans, especially following the release of [[Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks ufotable's Unlimited Blade Works anime]].
15th Mar '16 1:31:19 PM eshur0s
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** A lot of Shirou's hatedom carried over from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', but a lot of fans consider him bland and completely superfluous, and don't find the RunningGag of [[ChickMagnet women falling for him]] to be that funny. In addition, there's DieForOurShip at play, as most of the {{Yuri Fan}}s in the fanbase will raise their hackles at any ShipTease he gets with girls, as he's a possible canon threat to ''either side'' of ''both'' {{FanPreferredCouple}}s Illya/Miyu and Rin/Luvia. [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou, however, is a MemeticBadass]].

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** A lot of Shirou's hatedom carried over from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', but a lot of fans consider him bland and completely superfluous, and don't find the RunningGag of [[ChickMagnet women falling for him]] to be that funny. In addition, there's DieForOurShip at play, as most of the {{Yuri Fan}}s in the fanbase will raise their hackles at any ShipTease he gets with girls, as he's a possible canon threat to ''either side'' of ''both'' {{FanPreferredCouple}}s [[FanPreferredCouple Fan-Preferred Couples]] Illya/Miyu and Rin/Luvia. [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou, however, is a MemeticBadass]].
15th Mar '16 1:28:50 PM eshur0s
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** A lot of Shirou's hatedom carried over from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', but a lot of fans consider him bland and completely superfluous, and don't find the RunningGag of [[ChickMagnet women falling for him]] to be that funny. In addition, there's DieForOurShip at play, as most of the {{Yuri Fan}}s in the fanbase will raise their hackles at any ShipTease he gets with girls, as he's a possible canon threat to ''either side'' of ''both'' {{Fan-Preferred Couple}}s Illya/Miyu and Rin/Luvia. [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou, however, is a MemeticBadass]].

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** A lot of Shirou's hatedom carried over from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', but a lot of fans consider him bland and completely superfluous, and don't find the RunningGag of [[ChickMagnet women falling for him]] to be that funny. In addition, there's DieForOurShip at play, as most of the {{Yuri Fan}}s in the fanbase will raise their hackles at any ShipTease he gets with girls, as he's a possible canon threat to ''either side'' of ''both'' {{Fan-Preferred Couple}}s {{FanPreferredCouple}}s Illya/Miyu and Rin/Luvia. [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou, however, is a MemeticBadass]].
12th Mar '16 4:48:43 PM SwirlySquirrely
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* BrokenBase: Illya's extremely bratty behavior towards [[spoiler:Kuro]] in ''Drei'' turned quite a few fans against her, even those who didn't like [[spoiler:Kuro]] to begin with. Most of the fans her actions upset will point out that [[spoiler:Kuro]] wasn't really hurting anyone, and pretty much everyone except Illya seems to be okay with her presence, making Illya's frequent physical attacks DisproportionateRetribution ([[spoiler:especially since Kuro's curse means she ''can't fight back''). [[spoiler:Fortunately, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone she does get better]] after narrowly stopping Miyu and Kuro from fighting to the death, and the intervention of her mother also helps a lot]].

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* BrokenBase: Illya's extremely bratty behavior towards [[spoiler:Kuro]] in ''Drei'' turned quite a few fans against her, even those who didn't like [[spoiler:Kuro]] to begin with. Most of the fans her actions upset will point out that [[spoiler:Kuro]] wasn't really hurting anyone, and pretty much everyone except Illya seems to be okay with her presence, making Illya's frequent physical attacks DisproportionateRetribution ([[spoiler:especially since Kuro's curse means she ''can't fight back''). [[spoiler:Fortunately, Fortunately, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone she does get better]] after narrowly stopping Miyu and Kuro from fighting to the death, and the intervention of her mother also helps a lot]].
17th Feb '16 7:14:28 AM chucknormie
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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler:The Ainsworths]], especially [[spoiler:Julian]]. Are they a group of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] or sociopathic monsters willing to abuse a little girl for a plan that might not even work? While their backstory and explanations point heavily towards the former, [[KickTheDog some of the actions they do]] are without a doubt the second.

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* BaseBreaker: AlternateCharacterInterpretation/BaseBreaker: [[spoiler:The Ainsworths]], especially [[spoiler:Julian]]. Are they a group of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] or sociopathic monsters willing to abuse a little girl for a plan that might not even work? While their backstory and explanations point heavily towards the former, [[KickTheDog some of the actions they do]] are without a doubt the second. Some fans may sympathize with them, but others share [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou's]] desire to kill them as slowly and painfully as possible.
* BrokenBase: Illya's extremely bratty behavior towards [[spoiler:Kuro]] in ''Drei'' turned quite a few fans against her, even those who didn't like [[spoiler:Kuro]] to begin with. Most of the fans her actions upset will point out that [[spoiler:Kuro]] wasn't really hurting anyone, and pretty much everyone except Illya seems to be okay with her presence, making Illya's frequent physical attacks DisproportionateRetribution ([[spoiler:especially since Kuro's curse means she ''can't fight back''). [[spoiler:Fortunately, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone she does get better]] after narrowly stopping Miyu and Kuro from fighting to the death, and the intervention of her mother also helps a lot]].



* TheScrappy: [[spoiler:Tanaka]] is widely hated for being as stupid as one could possibly get without forgetting how to breathe. It hurts that [[spoiler:for her only motivation to get rid of the Ainsworths, she does almost nothing during the FinalBattle, only giving Illya a long distance powerup]].

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
** A lot of Shirou's hatedom carried over from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', but a lot of fans consider him bland and completely superfluous, and don't find the RunningGag of [[ChickMagnet women falling for him]] to be that funny. In addition, there's DieForOurShip at play, as most of the {{Yuri Fan}}s in the fanbase will raise their hackles at any ShipTease he gets with girls, as he's a possible canon threat to ''either side'' of ''both'' {{Fan-Preferred Couple}}s Illya/Miyu and Rin/Luvia. [[spoiler:Alternate!Shirou, however, is a MemeticBadass]].
** From ''3rei'',
[[spoiler:Tanaka]] is widely hated for being as stupid as one could possibly get without forgetting how to breathe. It hurts that [[spoiler:for her only motivation desire to get rid of the Ainsworths, ''which is the only defining characteristic of her personality'', she does almost nothing during the FinalBattle, only giving Illya a long distance powerup]].



** Shirou: It be easier to list people who aren't teased with Shirou though the most subtle probable goes to Sella up until Her own Sister and Shirou's mother are basically trying to pimp her out to him. In the manga, Rin has the most ship tease. Rin has been the protagonist of many side chapters focused on her relationship with Shirou, that no one else has had.

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** Shirou: It be easier to list people who aren't teased with Shirou though the most subtle probable goes to Sella up until Her own Sister and Shirou's mother are basically trying to pimp her out to him. In the manga, Rin has the most ship tease. Rin has been the protagonist of many side chapters focused on her relationship with Shirou, that no one else has had.
5th Nov '15 4:59:21 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** And let's not forget the FoeYay between Rin and Luvia, bordering on BelligerentSexualTension.
* TheScrappy: [[spoiler:Tanaka]] is widely hated for being as stupid as one could possibly get without forgetting how to breathe. It doesn't help that [[spoiler:for her only motivation to get rid of the Ainsworths, she does almost nothing during the FinalBattle, only giving Illya a long distance powerup]].

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** And let's not forget the The FoeYay between Rin and Luvia, bordering Luvia borders on BelligerentSexualTension.
* TheScrappy: [[spoiler:Tanaka]] is widely hated for being as stupid as one could possibly get without forgetting how to breathe. It doesn't help hurts that [[spoiler:for her only motivation to get rid of the Ainsworths, she does almost nothing during the FinalBattle, only giving Illya a long distance powerup]].
5th Oct '15 8:32:42 AM chucknormie
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* BrokenBase: [[spoiler:The Ainsworths]], especially [[spoiler:Julian]]. Are they a group of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] or sociopathic monsters willing to abuse a little girl for a plan that might not even work? While their backstory and explanations point heavily towards the former, [[KickTheDog some of the actions they do]] are without a doubt the second.

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* BrokenBase: BaseBreaker: [[spoiler:The Ainsworths]], especially [[spoiler:Julian]]. Are they a group of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] or sociopathic monsters willing to abuse a little girl for a plan that might not even work? While their backstory and explanations point heavily towards the former, [[KickTheDog some of the actions they do]] are without a doubt the second.
5th Oct '15 8:31:49 AM chucknormie
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* BrokenBase: [[spoiler:The Ainsworths]], especially [[spoiler:Julian]]. Are they a group of [[WellIntentionedExtremist Well-Intentioned Extremists]] or sociopathic monsters willing to abuse a little girl for a plan that might not even work? While their backstory and explanations point heavily towards the former, [[KickTheDog some of the actions they do]] are without a doubt the second.


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* TheScrappy: [[spoiler:Tanaka]] is widely hated for being as stupid as one could possibly get without forgetting how to breathe. It doesn't help that [[spoiler:for her only motivation to get rid of the Ainsworths, she does almost nothing during the FinalBattle, only giving Illya a long distance powerup]].
28th Sep '15 6:47:34 AM TheKaizerreich
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** [[spoiler:Kuro, on the other hand, seems to ''actively encourage'' this. To the point that apparently, she spent the entire time between Chapters 4 and 5 of the second season just going around town kissing girls (Including ''Taiga!''). Granted, she was doing it to drain their mana, but judging by the one we actually get to see, she also took the time and effort to seduce at least a few of them first]].

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** [[spoiler:Kuro, [[spoiler:Chloe, on the other hand, seems to ''actively encourage'' this. To the point that apparently, she spent the entire time between Chapters 4 and 5 of the second season just going around town kissing girls (Including ''Taiga!''). Granted, she was doing it to drain their mana, but judging by the one we actually get to see, she also took the time and effort to seduce at least a few of them first]].



** [[spoiler:Kuro]] in general with both Miyu and Illya. She managed to make the former unconscious with a French kiss.

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** [[spoiler:Kuro]] [[spoiler:Chloe]] in general with both Miyu and Illya. She managed to make the former unconscious with a French kiss.



** Gilgamesh: Its hard not to see his teasing of Kuro and Illya as flirting. Double points when he does it toward Kuro when he is naked.

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** Gilgamesh: Its hard not to see his teasing of Kuro Chloe and Illya as flirting. Double points when he does it toward Kuro Chloe when he is naked.
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