History YMMV / FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya

6th May '18 10:29:55 AM fruitstripegum
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** The movie containing Miyu's flashback arc succeeded at gaining new fans of the series, thanks to him. [[spoiler:[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap They even consider Miyu's Shirou as]] ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap the best]]'' [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Shirou portrayal in]] ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap any]]'' ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Fate]]'' series.]]]]

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** The movie containing Miyu's flashback arc succeeded at gaining new fans of the series, thanks to him. [[spoiler:[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap They even consider Miyu's Shirou as]] ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap the best]]'' [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Shirou portrayal in]] ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap any]]'' ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Fate]]'' series.]]]]]]
23rd Mar '18 10:33:54 PM Arawn999
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** Even if some fans believe his arc has overstayed its welcome, it almost unanimously agreed that [[spoiler:Alternate Shirou Emiya]] is made of pure awesomeness. Some have gone as far as to claim him to be one of the best incarnations of the character, rivaling if not surpassing not only the likes of [[spoiler:UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou]], but even [[spoiler:Archer!EMIYA]] himself. [[spoiler:The Shirou that was possessed by [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Sengo Muramasa]], however, might rival him in this department.]]

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** Even if some fans believe his arc has overstayed its welcome, it almost unanimously agreed that [[spoiler:Alternate Shirou Emiya]] is made of pure awesomeness. Some have gone as far as to claim him to be one of the best incarnations of the character, rivaling if not surpassing not only the likes of [[spoiler:UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou]], but even [[spoiler:Archer!EMIYA]] [[spoiler:Archer EMIYA]] himself. [[spoiler:The Shirou that was possessed by [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Sengo Muramasa]], however, might rival him in this department.]]



* GrowingTheBeard: It starts out as a fairly comedic series about Illya as a MagicalGirl. It then steadily becomes more serious. The CharacterDevelopment and ArtEvolution become more apparent in its second season, and the gentle amounts of {{Fanservice}} and heavier action clearly show it's a {{Seinen}} series. This is especially apparent in 3rei.

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* GrowingTheBeard: It starts out as a fairly comedic series about Illya as a MagicalGirl. It then steadily becomes more serious. The CharacterDevelopment and ArtEvolution become more apparent in its second season, and the gentle amounts of {{Fanservice}} and heavier action clearly show it's a {{Seinen}} series. This is especially apparent in 3rei.[=3rei=].
23rd Mar '18 6:06:38 PM Isaac_Heller
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** The FoeYay between Rin and Luvia borders on BelligerentSexualTension. This is especially obvious in the manga, and in places like the special where Rin is made to be Luvia's {{Meido}}.

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** The FoeYay between Rin and Luvia borders on BelligerentSexualTension. This is especially obvious in the manga, and in places like the special where Rin is made to be Luvia's {{Meido}}. Also, [[http://st.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/l/03/30/LACM-14288.jpg?v=1 official art like this.]]
21st Feb '18 2:58:30 AM WolfThunder
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** Even if some fans believe his arc has overstayed its welcome, it almost unanimously agreed that [[spoiler:Alternate Shirou Emiya]] is made of pure awesomeness. Some have gone as far as to claim him to be one of the best incarnations of the character, rivaling if not surpassing even the likes of [[spoiler:UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou]], but even [[spoiler:Archer]] himself. [[spoiler:The Shirou that was possessed by [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Sengo Muramasa]], however, might rival him in this department.]]

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** Even if some fans believe his arc has overstayed its welcome, it almost unanimously agreed that [[spoiler:Alternate Shirou Emiya]] is made of pure awesomeness. Some have gone as far as to claim him to be one of the best incarnations of the character, rivaling if not surpassing even not only the likes of [[spoiler:UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou]], but even [[spoiler:Archer]] [[spoiler:Archer!EMIYA]] himself. [[spoiler:The Shirou that was possessed by [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Sengo Muramasa]], however, might rival him in this department.]]
25th Jan '18 3:11:07 PM nanakiro
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Downplayed with Miyu's brother. While general opinion is positive compared to [[spoiler: his counterparts in Illya's world and the original ''stay Night'' visual novel]], you'll find some folks saying he [[spoiler: merely upgraded from VanillaProtagonist to StockLightNovelHero]] given his circumstances.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Downplayed with Miyu's brother.[[spoiler:Miyu's brother]]. While general opinion is positive compared to [[spoiler: his counterparts in Illya's world and the original ''stay Night'' visual novel]], you'll find some folks saying he [[spoiler: merely upgraded from VanillaProtagonist to StockLightNovelHero]] given his circumstances.
25th Jan '18 3:06:53 PM nanakiro
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Downplayed with Miyu's brother. While general opinion is positive compared to [[ his counterparts in Illya's world and the original ''stay Night'' visual novel]], you'll find some folks saying he [[spoiler: merely upgraded from VanillaProtagonist to StockLightNovelHero]] given his circumstances.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Downplayed with Miyu's brother. While general opinion is positive compared to [[ [[spoiler: his counterparts in Illya's world and the original ''stay Night'' visual novel]], you'll find some folks saying he [[spoiler: merely upgraded from VanillaProtagonist to StockLightNovelHero]] given his circumstances.
25th Jan '18 3:06:23 PM nanakiro
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** Still others are [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy simply tired]] of ''3rei's'' [[ToneShift considerably more serious tone]] regardless of the characters involved, which the current arc has only [[DarkerAndEdgier exacerbated further]]. Previously, ''3rei'' had paced its more serious drama and action with a plentiful sprinkling of comedy and Fanservice in between, even showing [[spoiler:the Ainsworths']] ([[FauxAffablyEvil Faux]]) AffablyEvil side, and if pacing didn't allow for such breaks there were often [[BreatherEpisode purely comedic side-chapters]] to give the reader a break. In contrast, this story has seen CerebusSyndrome in full effect, being a nonstop TraumaCongaLine for [[spoiler:Shirou]] approaching levels of bleakness that wouldn't be out of place in ''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Heaven's Feel]]'' or ''LightNovel/FateZero'', and [[ShooOutTheClowns without a single side chapter and hardly any appearances by the regular cast to break the tension]]. You'd find it hard to believe the series started as a lighthearted love letter to the MagicalGirl genre.
*** Thankfully, the flashback is over, and [[spoiler:Shirou]] even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] how long it was.

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** Still others are [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy simply tired]] of ''3rei's'' [[ToneShift considerably more serious tone]] regardless of the characters involved, which the current Miyu arc has only [[DarkerAndEdgier exacerbated further]]. Previously, ''3rei'' had paced its more serious drama and action with a plentiful sprinkling of comedy and Fanservice in between, even showing [[spoiler:the Ainsworths']] ([[FauxAffablyEvil Faux]]) AffablyEvil side, and if pacing didn't allow for such breaks there were often [[BreatherEpisode purely comedic side-chapters]] to give the reader a break. In contrast, this story has seen CerebusSyndrome in full effect, being a nonstop TraumaCongaLine for [[spoiler:Shirou]] approaching levels of bleakness that wouldn't be out of place in ''[[VisualNovel/FateStayNight Heaven's Feel]]'' or ''LightNovel/FateZero'', and [[ShooOutTheClowns without a single side chapter and hardly any appearances by the regular cast to break the tension]]. You'd find it hard to believe the series started as a lighthearted love letter to the MagicalGirl genre.
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genre. Thankfully, the flashback is over, doesn't last ''too'' long, and [[spoiler:Shirou]] even [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] how long it was.



* BaseBreakingCharacter: Downplayed with Miyu's brother. While general opinion is positive compared to [[ his counterparts in Illya's world and the original ''stay Night'' visual novel]], you'll find some folks saying he [[spoiler: merely upgraded from VanillaProtagonist to StockLightNovelHero]] given his circumstances.



** Even if some fans believe his arc has overstayed its welcome, it almost unanimously agreed that [[spoiler:Alternate Shirou Emiya]] is made of pure awesomeness. Some have gone as far as to claim him to be one of the best incarnations of the character, rivaling if not surpassing even the likes of UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou, but even Archer himself.

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** Even if some fans believe his arc has overstayed its welcome, it almost unanimously agreed that [[spoiler:Alternate Shirou Emiya]] is made of pure awesomeness. Some have gone as far as to claim him to be one of the best incarnations of the character, rivaling if not surpassing even the likes of UBW [[spoiler:UBW and Heaven's Feel Shirou, Shirou]], but even Archer [[spoiler:Archer]] himself. [[spoiler:The Shirou that was possessed by [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Sengo Muramasa]], however, might rival him in this department.]]
29th Dec '17 10:34:48 AM nanakiro
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* TakeThatScrappy: In the third arc: for those who didn't like [[spoiler:Sakura's]] character in the Heaven's Feel route in ''stay Night'', Miyu's flashback nips that in the bud by [[spoiler:killing her Miyuverse counterpart off and using Miyu as a sweeter Sakura Analogue.]]

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* TakeThatScrappy: In the third arc: for those who didn't like [[spoiler:Sakura's]] character actions in the Heaven's Feel route in ''stay Night'', Miyu's flashback nips that in the bud by [[spoiler:killing her Miyuverse counterpart off and using Miyu as a a sweeter Sakura Analogue.analogue.]]
29th Dec '17 10:33:39 AM nanakiro
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** The movie containing Miyu's flashback arc succeeded at gaining new fans of the series, thanks to him. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap They even consider this series' Shirou as ''the best'' Shirou portrayal in]] [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap ''any'']] [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Fate series.]]

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** The movie containing Miyu's flashback arc succeeded at gaining new fans of the series, thanks to him. [[spoiler:[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap They even consider Miyu's Shirou as]] ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap the best]]'' [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap They even consider this series' Shirou as ''the best'' Shirou portrayal in]] [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap ''any'']] [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Fate ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap any]]'' ''[[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Fate]]'' series.]]]]]]


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* TakeThatScrappy: In the third arc: for those who didn't like [[spoiler:Sakura's]] character in the Heaven's Feel route in ''stay Night'', Miyu's flashback nips that in the bud by [[spoiler:killing her Miyuverse counterpart off and using Miyu as a sweeter Sakura Analogue.]]
13th Dec '17 1:37:40 PM Ogiga99
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** [[spoiler: Even more so now that Angelica is revealed to be somewhat similar to Miyuverse!Shirou. Some are even finding similarity between them and F/Z Kiritsugu and Irisviel.]]

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** [[spoiler: Even more so now that Angelica is revealed to be somewhat similar to Miyuverse!Shirou.the Shirou from Miyu's world. Some are even finding similarity between them and F/Z Kiritsugu and Irisviel.]]



** Shirou is already a major BaseBreakingCharacter as a whole in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' for BrokenBase reasons, but a lot of fans consider this version of him to be even worse than his DEEN and Ufotable versions, mainly because he's bland and completely superfluous, and don't find the RunningGag of [[ChickMagnet women falling for him]] to be that funny. In addition, there's DieForOurShip at play, as most of the {{Yuri Fan}}s in the fanbase will raise their hackles at any ShipTease he gets with girls, as he's a possible canon threat to ''either side'' of ''both'' [[FanPreferredCouple Fan-Preferred Couples]] Illya/Miyu and Rin/Luvia. [[spoiler:Miyuverse!Shirou, however, is a MemeticBadass]].

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** Shirou is already a major BaseBreakingCharacter as a whole in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' for BrokenBase reasons, but a lot of fans consider this version of him to be even worse than his DEEN and Ufotable versions, mainly because he's bland and completely superfluous, and don't find the RunningGag of [[ChickMagnet women falling for him]] to be that funny. In addition, there's DieForOurShip at play, as most of the {{Yuri Fan}}s in the fanbase will raise their hackles at any ShipTease he gets with girls, as he's a possible canon threat to ''either side'' of ''both'' [[FanPreferredCouple Fan-Preferred Couples]] Illya/Miyu and Rin/Luvia. [[spoiler:Miyuverse!Shirou, [[spoiler:The Shirou from Miyu's world, however, is a MemeticBadass]].



** [[spoiler:Miyuverse!Shirou]]. He's been shipped with [[spoiler:Miyu in much the same way Illya is with Shirou, Sakura due to their shared past, and Angelica as shown under the FoeYay]].

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** [[spoiler:Miyuverse!Shirou]].[[spoiler:The Shirou from Miyu's world]]. He's been shipped with [[spoiler:Miyu in much the same way Illya is with Shirou, Sakura due to their shared past, and Angelica as shown under the FoeYay]].
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