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*** Though the base had always been broken about the fact that vulnerable pre-teen girls would run around in bikinis. Fatal Frame V took it UpToEleven by having the female characters have dessous as costumes, plus Gainaxing, creating a big outrage by especially the female players.
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* WallBanger: Fatal Frame 3's theme was all about learning to move on after someone died. Miku was a character in that. Fatal Frame 5 reveals that Miku ''didn't'' move on after all, and is so unable to let go [[spoiler: that she ''conceives a child with Mafuyu's ghost''. And that she entered a ghost marriage with him to ensure they'd be together in death.]] Talk about CompletelyMissingThePoint, Miku.
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5ShFRYbpE IGN]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrLDsGVekYA GameXplain's]] reviews of ''Fatal Frame V'' both criticized it for adhering to ''[[Franchise/ResidentEvil Resident Evil's]]'' infamous "tank control" scheme. Which they described as being clunky and frustrating to deal with in tight corridors, especially while being pursued by spirits.

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5ShFRYbpE IGN]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrLDsGVekYA GameXplain's]] reviews of ''Fatal Frame V'' both criticized it for adhering to ''[[Franchise/ResidentEvil Resident Evil's]]'' infamous "tank control" scheme.scheme[[note]]noted @6:17-7:00 of [=GameXplain's=] review[[/note]]. Which they described as being clunky and frustrating to deal with in tight corridors, especially while being pursued by spirits.
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** IGN and [=GameXplain's=] reviews of ''Fatal Frame V'' both criticized it for adhering to ''[[Franchise/ResidentEvil Resident Evil's]]'' infamous "tank control" scheme. Which they described as being clunky and frustrating to deal with in tight corridors, especially while being pursued by spirits.

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** IGN **[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5ShFRYbpE IGN]] and [=GameXplain's=] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrLDsGVekYA GameXplain's]] reviews of ''Fatal Frame V'' both criticized it for adhering to ''[[Franchise/ResidentEvil Resident Evil's]]'' infamous "tank control" scheme. Which they described as being clunky and frustrating to deal with in tight corridors, especially while being pursued by spirits.
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**IGN and [=GameXplain's=] reviews of ''Fatal Frame V'' both criticized it for adhering to ''[[Franchise/ResidentEvil Resident Evil's]]'' infamous "tank control" scheme. Which they described as being clunky and frustrating to deal with in tight corridors, especially while being pursued by spirits.
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** And now we have the revelation that the skimpy alternate costumes, common to every past Fatal Frame, [[http://www.destructoid.com/fatal-frame-localization-removes-smutty-outfits-316443.phtml are being removed]].

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** And now we have the revelation that the skimpy alternate costumes, common to every past Fatal Frame, [[http://www.destructoid.com/fatal-frame-localization-removes-smutty-outfits-316443.phtml are being removed]].replaced]] with Nintendo themed costume.
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** Considering the lesbian overtones of the main villain, the fact she is more likely to attack when the characters are ''wet''...

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** Considering the lesbian overtones of the main villain, villain of ''Fatal Frame V'', the fact she is more likely to attack when the characters are ''wet''...
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** Considering the lesbian overtones of the main villain, the fact she is more likely to attack when the characters are ''wet''...
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** And now we have the revelation that the skimpy alternate costumes, common to every past Fatal Frame, [[http://www.destructoid.com/fatal-frame-localization-removes-smutty-outfits-316443.phtml are being removed]].
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** You can safely apply this label to many of the ''ghosts''. Even the BigBad. In some cases, depending on the game, ''especially'' the BigBad.
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* BrokenBase: The announcement that the fifth game in the series will be an eShop exclusive release in North America, and how Europe's retail limited editions are the sole retail copies being produced in, of course, pretty limited quantities. Some people in both regions are not happy with the decision as some people would have preferred having a physical disc copy of the game, while others are fine with the decision as ''Fatal Frame'' has always been a very niche franchise outside of Japan, and are just happy to get the game at all (plus this means that the game can never be "sold out"). Others are completely indifferent and really don't care either way.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The Ending songs of number II, III and IV which has two of them. All by Tsukiko Amano.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The Ending songs of number II, III and IV which has two of them. All performed by Tsukiko Amano.


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** II: Deep Crimson Butterfly - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuMuhR1vF5I Kurenai]].


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** V - [[https://youtu.be/NwioakFMl4c?list=FLRiSiWUvfvcXLRa5uDCpVew Torikago - In This Cage]].
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* ShootTheShaggyDog: [[spoiler: In II, in the canon Crimson Butterfly ending. Mio is mind controlled when she comes into the chamber and performs the ceremony, killing Mayu. The ending would have been exactly the same if they had been both mind controlled the second they walked into the village, never found the camera, never tried to escape or fight or done any of it. It makes the whole game pointless as everything you did to protect Mayu only increased Mio's suffering with precisely nothing to show for it.]]

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* SpiritualLicensee: Replace the Proton Packs with the Camera Obscura, and set it in Japan, and this can be seen as a '''[=SIGNIFICANTLY=]''' less lighthearted Film/{{Ghostbusters}}.



* ValuesDissonance: These games are intensely Japanese, and it shows. A major one in several games, but is especially critical in the endings of the first two. [[spoiler: The human sacrifices are the CORRECT choice, closing the hell gate and releasing all the souls trapped by the Calamity/Repentance in the good endings. Any western game would have TakenAThirdOption rather than support human sacrifice.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: These games are intensely Japanese, and it shows. A major one in several games, but is especially critical in the endings of the first two. [[spoiler: The human sacrifices are the CORRECT choice, closing the hell gate and releasing all the souls trapped by the Calamity/Repentance in the good endings. Any western game would have TakenAThirdOption [[TakeAThirdOption Taken A Third Option]] rather than support human sacrifice.]]
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* WhatAnIdiot: In number 3, despite having confirmation that something serious, otherworldly, and life threatening is occurring and having a genuine piece of anti-ghost technology on hand that they know of and know how to use. The main characters make no attempt to repair the Camera Obscura in the waking world or use it to cure or even resist the curse.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: A ghost in Crimson Butterfly died in the lost village while looking for her boyfriend ([[spoiler: by being strangled by his ghost, actually]]). One of her diary entries has a single page stating simply "He came" and, even better, she utters a haunting "you finally...came" when defeated. Considering how hard this phrase would be to work around, the translators probably realized the implication and just plowed on ahead.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: A ghost in Crimson Butterfly died in the lost village while looking for her boyfriend ([[spoiler: by ([[spoiler:by being strangled by his ghost, actually]]). One of her diary entries has a single page stating simply "He came" and, even better, she utters a haunting "you finally...came" when defeated. Considering how hard this phrase would be to work around, the translators probably realized the implication and just plowed on ahead.
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* ShootTheShaggyDog: [[spoiler: In II, in the canon Crimson Butterfly ending. Miko is mind controlled when she comes into the chamber and performs the ceremony, killing Mayu. The ending would have been exactly the same if they had been both mind controlled the second they walked into the village, never found the camera, never tried to escape or fight or done any of it. It makes the whole game pointless as everything you did to protect Mayu only increased Miko's suffering with precisely nothing to show for it.]]

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* ShootTheShaggyDog: [[spoiler: In II, in the canon Crimson Butterfly ending. Miko Mio is mind controlled when she comes into the chamber and performs the ceremony, killing Mayu. The ending would have been exactly the same if they had been both mind controlled the second they walked into the village, never found the camera, never tried to escape or fight or done any of it. It makes the whole game pointless as everything you did to protect Mayu only increased Miko's Mio's suffering with precisely nothing to show for it.]]
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*ValuesDissonance: These games are intensely Japanese, and it shows. A major one in several games, but is especially critical in the endings of the first two. [[spoiler: The human sacrifices are the CORRECT choice, closing the hell gate and releasing all the souls trapped by the Calamity/Repentance in the good endings. Any western game would have TakenAThirdOption rather than support human sacrifice.]]
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* ShootTheShaggyDog: [[spoiler: In II, in the canon Crimson Butterfly ending. Miko is mind controlled when she comes into the chamber and performs the ceremony, killing Mayu. The ending would have been exactly the same if they had been both mind controlled the second they walked into the village, never found the camera, never tried to escape or fight or done any of it. It makes the whole game pointless as everything you did to protect Mayu only increased Miko's suffering with precisely nothing to show for it.]]
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** "Tall Woman" in the fifth game, who is also absolutely unexplained.
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* FanDumb: Plenty with regards to ''Deep Crimson Butterfly'', from the "purists" who refuse to buy it because it's a remake, to the people upset with the change in voice actors. There are even some who refused to buy the remake on account of the ''change in the ending theme.''
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** Some of the voice acting in the first game is also this, such as the monologues in the tapes detailing horrifying events happening to them while in the same placid monotone that someone would use for recording machine instructions.
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* TheWoobie: Pick a main character. Any of them. Many of the dead {{NPC}}s have tragic backstories as well.
** IronWoobie: Kei Amakura deserves a special mention. While he's the most determined in finding a way to escape the Manor of Sleep and lift the curse, even trying to cheer up Rei [[spoiler:when Miku falls into a coma, [[TalkingInYourSleep he too is suffering from the]] [[PleaseDontLeaveMe loss of his niece and closest friends.]]]]


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* TheWoobie: Pick a main character. Any of them. Many of the dead {{NPC}}s have tragic backstories as well.
** IronWoobie: Kei Amakura deserves a special mention. While he's the most determined in finding a way to escape the Manor of Sleep and lift the curse, even trying to cheer up Rei [[spoiler:when Miku falls into a coma, [[TalkingInYourSleep he too is suffering from the]] [[PleaseDontLeaveMe loss of his niece and closest friends.]]]]
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:Fatal Frame II's Xbox exclusive Good Ending]].
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** Whose bright idea was it to force you to fight through a long series of tunnels starving you of checkpoints? Right before the instant kill boss?
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* AccidentalInnuendo: A ghost in Crimson Butterfly died in the lost village while looking for her boyfriend ([[spoiler: Well, strangled by his ghost, actually]]). One of her diary entries has a single page stating simply "He came" and, even better, she utters a haunting "you finally...came" when defeated. Considering how hard this phrase would be to work around, the translators probably realized the implication and just plowed on ahead.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: A ghost in Crimson Butterfly died in the lost village while looking for her boyfriend ([[spoiler: Well, by being strangled by his ghost, actually]]). One of her diary entries has a single page stating simply "He came" and, even better, she utters a haunting "you finally...came" when defeated. Considering how hard this phrase would be to work around, the translators probably realized the implication and just plowed on ahead.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: A ghost in Crimson Butterfly died in the lost village while looking for her boyfriend ([[spoiler: Well, strangled by his ghost, actually]]). One of her diary entries has a single page stating simply "He came" and, even better, she utters a haunting "you finally...came" when defeated. Considering how hard this phrase would be to work around, the translators probably realized the implication and just plowed on ahead.

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** In IV, the piano segments. They require you to point at the narrow keyboard keys with game tending to think you hit the ones next to them instead, and they're also picky about timing. The only thing that makes this worse [[spoiler: is that if you fail three times at the end of the final boss fight, you have to fight Sakuya again repeat the process.]]

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** In IV, the piano segments. They require you to point at the narrow keyboard keys with game tending to think you hit the ones next to them instead, and they're also picky about timing. The only thing that makes this worse To make things worse, [[spoiler: is that if you fail three times at the end of the final boss fight, you have to fight Sakuya again and repeat the process.]]



* ThatOneBoss: Reika as the final boss in III. Whilst Kirie and Kusabi from I and II had OneHitKill moves, they were both fairly manageable bosses thanks to their slow speed and easily read movement. Reika, on the other hand, has a habit of frequently flying high in the air. which on its own makes her rather hard to pinpoint without going into the movement limiting finder vision, so good luck getting out of her way when she comes dive bombing towards you straight afterwards, but on top of that her own one hit kill attack involves appearing in a [[LuckBasedMission completely unpredictable position]] close to you. If you're not facing clear away from her when she appears, you won't be able to avoid running smack in to her and she will gladly watch that health bar of yours go all the way down whilst groping your lifeless corpse.

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* ThatOneBoss: Reika ThatOneBoss
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as the final boss in III. Whilst Kirie and the Kusabi from I and II had OneHitKill moves, they were both fairly manageable bosses thanks to their slow speed and easily read movement. Reika, on the other hand, has a habit of frequently flying high in the air. air, which on its own makes her rather hard to pinpoint without going into the movement limiting finder vision, so good luck getting out of her way when she comes dive bombing towards you straight afterwards, but on afterwards. On top of that her own one hit kill attack involves appearing in a [[LuckBasedMission completely unpredictable position]] close to you. If you're not facing clear away from her when she appears, you won't be able to avoid running smack in to her and she will gladly watch that health bar of yours go all the way down whilst groping your lifeless corpse.corpse.
** The fight with the Utsuwa (dancer) and Kanades (accompanists) in the fourth game also ranks high in terms of sheer frustration. The Kanades, par for the course for child ghosts, are GoddamnedBats that work as a team, with one or more serving as decoys while another (most likely directly behind you) goes in for the kill. There are also [[MarathonBoss five of them]]. Meanwhile, the Utsuwa is a wild card, teleporting and attacking more or less at random. If you haven't mastered the evade function prepare to die. A lot.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Mayu can be viewed several different ways. Is she a sweet, helpless girl who the main antagonist has taken particular interest in and who [[VideoGameCaringPotential you want to keep safe at all times]]? Is she an irritating little wimp who [[TheLoad you need to keep safe at all times]]? Or is she [[spoiler: an obsessively crazy young woman who deliberately fell off a cliff just to guilt Mio into staying with her forever?]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Mayu can be viewed several different ways. Is she a sweet, helpless girl who the main antagonist has taken particular interest in and who [[VideoGameCaringPotential you want to keep safe at all times]]? Is she an irritating little wimp who [[TheLoad you need to keep safe at all times]]? Or is she [[spoiler: an obsessively crazy young woman who deliberately fell off a cliff just to guilt Mio into staying with her forever?]]forever?]] Given what's AllThereInTheManual, it would appear the third option is canon.
** Sae: Did she actually care about her sister, or was she so obsessed with "becoming one" that she completely disregarded Yae's feelings on the matter?
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* CompleteMonster: ''Many'', naturally, but anyone who's part of the ritual in Fatal Frame III leaves everyone else in the dust. [[spoiler:Their ritual wasn't about sealing anything away but ''their own pain''. Rather than deal with their sorrow, they ''carved'' it into someone else's skin so they wouldn't have to deal with it.]] It's hard to feel sorry for them once the ritual backfires.

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