History YMMV / Fallout2024

** The joke at the end of Episode 2. [[spoiler:Wilzig thinks he's too wounded to continue his journey. Lucy gives him a RousingSpeech to keep him going...[[NegatedMomentOfAwesome only for him to anti-climatically reveal that he had already taken a cyanide pill]]. He then awkwardly rambles about its good qualities, calling it "the most ethical thing Vault-Tec ever made", (made funnier because that's probably true...) and wondering why it wasn't more popular.]]

** The joke at the end of Episode 2. [[spoiler:Wilzig thinks he's too wounded to continue his journey. Lucy gives him a RousingSpeech to keep him going...[[NegatedMomentOfAwesome only for him to reveal he already took a cyanide pill]]. He then awkwardly rambles about its good qualities, calling it "the most ethical thing Vault-Tec ever made", (made funnier cause that's probably true...) and wondering why it wasn't more popular.]]

** After TheReveal that [[spoiler:Vault-Tec has become TheConspiracy after the Great War and are dedicated to [[LetThePastBurn wiping out all Post-War civilizations]] not associated with them so they can TakeOverTheWorld and establish OneNationUnderCopyright, some fans have suggested that Vault-Tec is in part responsible for the series' MedievalStasis, such as them being the true masterminds behind the [=CPG=] Massacre in the backstory of Fallout 4 and being [[TheChessmaster the patrons]] of Littlehorn & Associates and Mr. Burke's true employers in Fallout 3 along with them being the masters of both Talon Company & the Gunners]].

* FanonDiscontinuity: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom would prefer to ignore the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game; [[spoiler:the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have undergone a downfall starting in 2277 and been nuked some years later; TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has either been ruined or at least left badly damaged over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions seemingly AllForNothing.]]

** With ''Series/{{Westworld}}'' given that both shows are directed and produced by Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy. Nolan even admits in an [[https://www.ign.com/articles/the-big-fallout-interview-todd-howard-and-jonathan-nolan-answer-our-burning-questions-about-season-1?utm_source=twitter IGN interview]] that ''VideoGame/Fallout4'' helped in the development of ''Westworld'', particularly the gaming mechanics. Some Westworld fans even joked that the ''Fallout'' show is secretly ''Westworld'' Season 5, not helped by the fact that The Ghoul is eerily similar to The Man in Black.
* HesJustHiding: [[spoiler:While the New California Republic as a whole in the series is gone, some fans like to think that its more likable soldiers and citizens from ''New Vegas'' are still alive, just in hiding. [[WordOfGod One of the writers for the games]] would eventually come out and confirm that the NCR is ''definitely'' on the downtrodden scale of things, but there are still remnants of it scattered throughout California and it is NotSoExtinct.]]

* JustHereForGodzilla: A large percentage of viewers are more interested in seeing Walton Goggins play a ghoul cowboy than any other aspect of the show.

** The Season 1 finale shows that [[spoiler:Hank [=McLean=] is a [[BitchInSheepsClothing fundamentally despicable]] [[EvilAllAlong and abhorrent wretch of a person]] in that he wiped Shady Sands off the map with a [[NukeEm nuclear bomb]], killing tens of thousands of innocent people, devastating the New California Republic and condemning his own wife to a hellish FateWorseThanDeath as a Feral Ghoul all out of a mix of his own ControlFreak nature and a twisted classism-based InsaneTrollLogic]].

* SpecialEffectsFailure: [[spoiler:The de-aging effect used to make Hank look like a young Creator/KyleMacLachlan during the flashback in "The Beginning" is not convincing. His head looks poorly pasted onto his body, and his mouth sports some very conspicuous CG.]]

* UnexpectedCharacter: The Season 1 finale includes a scene in the pre-War era with Vault-Tec hosting a meeting with [[spoiler:the leaders of various high-powered corporations in America, which features not only Frederick Sinclair as the rep for Big MT; Leon Von Felden, the creator of the FEV, as rep for West-Tek, and Julia Masters, a higher-up from REPCONN mentioned in ''New Vegas'']] but perhaps more notably, [[spoiler:Robert House himself as rep for [=RobCo=]]].

* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-60c Power Armor in the show are entirely practically designed suits (four fully functional suits of them in total [[WordOfGod according to the production designer]]) that are completely faithful to the games depiction of them, and while ''definitely'' cumbersome due to the reality of wearing such a bulky suit in real life, they are depicted incredibly well with both menace and awe every time they show up in the series. All the more impressive is how they are later said to be weighing over 160lbs each, [[https://www.tiktok.com/@fallout.on.prime/video/7361912008867958058 and yet the performers can even breakdance in them rather seamlessly]].

** [[spoiler:In regards to the heavy implication in the Season 1 finale that Vault-Tec might have caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a conspiracy of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they explicitly did it. This means that it is still possible the show could, in flashbacks in later seasons, still end up aligning with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"(and the mysterious shadowy figure overhearing the executive meeting itself is often used as claims that the Enclave may be revealed to be behind Vault-Tec's actions), along with claims by Tim Cain that China did in fact drop the bombs first. And this is of course ignoring the possibility of other groups dropping the bombs first (such as the Zetans or Soviets)]].

** [[spoiler:New Vegas being in ruins and abandoned is something that many viewers extrapolated based on exactly ''one shot'' that shows the city dark in the distance... at dawn, when the lights would logically be shut off. While it is dark and partly damaged, there's nothing to indicate that New Vegas is so destroyed that the Courier's efforts were AllForNothing. Even if there is no power, an equally likely explanation could simply be that a recent attack robbed New Vegas of its electricity, and that the city is still functioning to a degree. And, of course, there is the fact that the decline of the Strip could simply be a knock-on effect of the collapse of the NCR in southern California (with Mr. House himself noting that the [=NCR=] consists of his best customers), and the city itself is not completely ruined and just doing poorly.]]

** [[spoiler:In regards to the heavy implication in the Season 1 finale that Vault-Tec might have caused the Great War. While not ruled out, it's simply shown that Vault-Tec, and a cabal of [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corrupt corporate executives]] ''wanted'' it to happen, not that they explicitly did it. This means that it is still possible the show could, in flashbacks in later seasons, still end up aligning with the ambiguously canon "Fallout Bibles", where the Enclave was said to have fully embraced nuclear war as a way to "wipe the slate clean" and "begin again"(and the mysterious shadowy figure overhearing the executive meeting itself is often used as claims that the Enclave may be revealed to be behind Vault-Tec's actions), along with claims by Tim Cain that China did in fact drop the bombs first. And this is of course ignoring the possibility of other groups dropping the bombs first (such as the Zetans or Soviets)]].

* CommonKnowledge: Certain fans have accused the show of trying to decanonize ''New Vegas'', claiming that the blackboard history of the NCR shows that [[spoiler: Shady Sands was nuked in 2277, which was four years prior to the events of ''New Vegas'' would have made the NCR's war effort during the game impossible.]] However, the blackboard doesn't say this at all: [[spoiler: it says that the "fall" of Shady Sands occurred in 2277, with the nuke being the next point on the timeline [[note]]though it's not specified if this "fall" refers to an economic downfall due to the war or something else[[/note]].]] More to the point, the show's own continuity contradicts this accusation: in the final episode of the first season, [[spoiler: Lucy - who is in her early twenties at the most - recalls visiting Shady Sands when she was around five or six years old, which would have been impossible if the nuke really did happen in 2277.]]

* CommonKnowledge: Certain fans have accused the show of trying to decanonize ''New Vegas'', claiming that the blackboard history of the NCR shows that [[spoiler: Shady Sands was nuked in 2277, which was four years prior to the events of ''New Vegas'' would have made the NCR's war effort during the game impossible.]] However, the blackboard doesn't say this at all: [[spoiler: it says that the "fall" of Shady Sands occurred in 2277, with the nuke being the next point on the timeline [[note]]though it's not specified if this "fall" refers to an economic downfall due to the war or something else[[/note]].]] More to the point, the show's own continuity contradicts this accusation: in the final episode of the first season, [[spoiler: Lucy - who is about twenty - recalls visiting Shady Sands when she was around five or six years old, which would have been impossible if the nuke really did happen in 2277.]]

r* CompleteMonster: [[SmallRoleBigImpact Leon von Felden]] is a [[MadScientist high-ranking researcher at West-Tek and the lead scientist on the development of the Forced Evolutionary Virus]], [[spoiler:whilst also being complicit in Vault-Tec's scheme to start the Great War]]. Wanting to use the virus to create SuperSoldiers, Felden orchestrates the [[PlayingWithSyringes mass experimentation]] of countless [[TestedOnHumans humans]] due to no longer wanting to test on animals. These experiments left horrific results and eventually ended up creating the first batch of Super Mutants. Leon's legacy as the creator of the FEV virus has paved the bloody ambitions of countless megalomaniacs, whilst his creation of the Super Mutants has left a marauding blight upon the wasteland.

* CommonKnowledge: Certain fans have accused the show of trying to decanonize ''New Vegas'', claiming that the blackboard history of the NCR shows that [[spoiler: Shady Sands was nuked in 2277, which was four years prior to the events of ''New Vegas'' would have made the NCR's war effort during the game impossible.]] However, the blackboard doesn't say this at all: [[spoiler: it says that the "fall" of Shady Sands occurred in 2277, with the nuke being the next point on the timeline [[note]]though it's not specified if this "fall" refers to an economic downfall due to the war or something else[[/note]]. More to the point, the show's own continuity contradicts this accusation: in the final episode of the first season, [[spoiler: Lucy recalls being alive in Shady Sands when she was around five or six years old, which would have been impossible if the nuke really did happen in 2277.]]

* CompleteMonster: [[SmallRoleBigImpact Leon von Felden]] is a [[MadScientist high-ranking researcher at West-Tek and the lead scientist on the development of the Forced Evolutionary Virus]], [[spoiler:whilst also being complicit in Vault-Tec's scheme to start the Great War]]. Wanting to use the virus to create SuperSoldiers, Felden orchestrates the [[PlayingWithSyringes mass experimentation]] of countless [[TestedOnHumans humans]] due to no longer wanting to test on animals. These experiments left horrific results and eventually ended up creating the first batch of Super Mutants. Leon's legacy as the creator of the FEV virus has paved the bloody ambitions of countless megalomaniacs, whilst his creation of the Super Mutants has left a marauding blight upon the wasteland.

* FanonDiscontinuity: Many within the ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' fandom would prefer to ignore the impact this series has had on a number of factions within the game; [[spoiler:the NCR has been left in an unclear but worse state years after their last appearance, with Shady Sands being stated to have fallen in 2277 (with some accusations that it has decanonized ''New Vegas'' entirely as it was the same year that the First Battle for Hoover Dam took place, with Shady Sands and the NCR still being major players four years later which losing a capital city would certainly upend)[[note]][[WordOfGod Todd himself]] would reiterate in a later interview that the show had never decanonized ''NV'' and that the "fall of Shady Sands" event in 2277 is a separate event to its actual nuking which took place after the events of ''NV''. This fails to address how NV NPCs never mentioned any Fall or fully believe Shady Sands is in a positive, thriving state even 4 years later. The NCR has radio so the fall of a capital city would be extremely noticeable. This all adds to an existing fanbase LyingCreator view of Todd and Bethesda after the appearance of the Prydwyn even though they said they wouldn't [[CuttingOffTheBranches decanonize any of 4's endings]].[[/note]] Also, Mr. House was revealed to be one of the participants at Vault-Tec's meeting about the Vaults and instigating the Great War, while TheStinger of the finale shows that New Vegas itself has been abandoned or at least left in a ruined state of its own over a decade later, making any action the Courier took to help Vegas and the factions a case of AllForNothing.]]

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: [[Fallout2025 Has its own page now.]]

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is Titus a DirtyCoward and a sign the Brotherhood is unworthy of respect or is his distaste for Maximus more personal? After all, Maximus is a replacement for his presumably chosen squire that is believed to have deliberately injured them to get his position. The fact Maximus is an adopted war orphan from Shady Sands versus one of the Brotherhood's traditional bloodlines may also play a part in this distaste. Was he actually sending Maximus off to die in the cave, or did he know that the Enclave scientist was harmless and was just giving him a SecretTestOfCharacter? Was his statement about getting him executed also just the pain talking or sincere?
** Just how good is [[spoiler:Moldaver]] anyway?:
*** [[spoiler:NCR's survivors think of her as a BigGood but she leads a bunch of Raiders to Vault 33, and they end up slaughtering plenty of innocents. Furthermore, her plan will result in the sexual assault and death of her supposed friend's daughter (and also the murder of her son).]] Did she have a last-minute change of heart, or was this a sign of how much she despised [[spoiler:Hank?]]
*** [[spoiler:[[PayEvilUntoEvil Was the slaughter of Vault 33 her idea as revenge for Shady Sands]], or [[NecessaryEvil was it the only way she could get the Raiders involved in her plan to kidnap Hank and she had no other way to control them]]? While she didn't shed any tears about the massacre, by its end, she had the Vault Dwellers dead-to-rights and could've easily killed all of them, but she chose to simply detonate a bomb (with plenty of time to duck and cover) to seal them in. Was it CruelMercy–leaving them to cope with a similar trauma of Shady Sands–or did enough Raiders die or be captured for them to listen to her?]]
** Hank's decision to [[spoiler:nuke Shady Sands and destroy the NCR government]] is agreed upon to be evil, so the morality isn't in question; the real question is ''why'' the decision was made. [[spoiler:Did he do it because Vault-Tec ordered him to destroy a thriving government, because he was jealous of his wife's new companion that was taking his kids, or both?]]
** One of the pre-War representatives was an important character in a previous installment and people are trying to make heads or tails of his behaviour: [[spoiler:How complicit is Robert House in Vault-Tec's experiments and the events that led to the Great War? He's shown both not actively agreeing with Vault-Tec's plans and actively having doubts as to whether such an "investment" is worth the payoff. There's also the far more banal matter of sharing a conference room with a bunch of people powerful and insane enough to start an atomic war; outright objections would change nothing at best and put House in their crosshairs at worst. ''New Vegas'' depicted House as far more pragmatic, and willing to coexist with a post-War country (NCR) on his terms, but not above exterminating a faction that could be problematic in the future (Mojave Brotherhood) or just in his way/not subservient to him (the Kings in some ''NV'' endings), so his behaviour in this show can be interpreted in a variety of ways. It's possible he merely paid lip-service to the idea of nuking the world or argued against on [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic grounds]] in order to avoid being executed for [[HeKnowsTooMuch knowing too much]] but was against the whole plan.]]
** Given how much older he looks than before, is Frederick Sinclair the same character as before (retroactively making him a BitchInSheepsClothing) or [[LikeFatherUnlikeSon his father]]?
** Elder Quintus seems to be a ReasonableAuthorityFigure and even an InternalReformist. He is clearly disgusted by Titus' cowardice and [[spoiler:spares Maximus twice. However, his ideas for what the Brotherhood of Steel should be doing take on an ominous turn whenever he speaks, such as him talking about how power must be seized and lamenting how the Brotherhood used to rule the Wasteland. Additionally, he only spares Maximus whenever he seems to be either of use or showing uncommon ruthlessness (i.e., "I want to hurt the people who hurt me.").]] Is he more of an Elder Lyons type who wants to better the Wasteland, more of a Father Elijah type who wants to wipe it clean, or even more of a Lord Ashur type who wants to conquer it for what he sees as its own good?
** Is the Ghoul's insistence that Lucy will become more and more like him just him being cynical about human nature? Or is he insisting on it because he [[spoiler:used to be a better man before the bombs fell]] and he's trying to tell ''himself'' that becoming heartless and self-serving was necessary?
** Bud Askins seems like an empty suit [[spoiler: and is involved in the apocalypse. However, why did he go to the lengths he did for Bud's Buds? Did he think it was because that the Post-War world needed middle managers like he claims or did he actually use LoopholeAbuse to save what would otherwise be YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness employees of Vault-Tec? Given he offers Norm a chance to survive via cryostasis, he may well be ALighterShadeOfBlack than most Vault-Tec employees.]]

** The joke at the end of Episode 2. [[spoiler:Wilzig thinks he's too wounded to continue his journey. Lucy gives him a RousingSpeech to keep him going...[[NegatedMomentOfAwesome only for him to reveal he already took a cyanide pill]]. He then awkwardly rambles about its good qualities, calling it "the most ethical thing Vault-Tec ever made", and wondering why it wasn't more popular.]]

* FanPreferredCouple: It's still early days, but so far the Ghoul/Lucy is shaping up to be orders of magnitude more popular than the more canonical [[spoiler: Maximus/Lucy]], for the [[SlapSlapKiss usual]] [[FoeYayShipping reasons]].

** Chet is [[EstablishingCharacterMoment first introduced]] as Vault 33's bumbling gatekeeper and Lucy's ex, who pretends the door doesn't open in an effort to prevent her from meeting her groom from 32. Lucy decides to let him down nicely while also revealing that not only are they [[SurpriseIncest actually cousins]], but she also thinks it's ''[[KissingCousins totally normal for cousins to experiment as long as they're kids.]]'' A hilariously [[{{Squick}} squick-inducing]] choice of words coming from someone who was otherwise introduced as a straightforward {{Adorkable}} WideEyedIdealist only moments ago.

* CompleteMonster: [[SmallRoleBigImpact Leon von Felden]] is a [[MadScientist high-ranking researcher at West-Tek and the lead scientist on the development of the Forced Evolutionary Virus]], whilst also being complicit in Vault-Tec's scheme to start the Great War. Wanting to use the virus to create SuperSoldiers, Felden orchestrates the [[PlayingWithSyringes mass experimentation]] of countless [[TestedOnHumans humans]] due to no longer wanting to test on animals. These experiments left horrific results and eventually ended up creating the first batch of Super Mutants. Leon's legacy as the creator of the FEV virus has paved the bloody ambitions of countless megalomaniacs, whilst his creation of the Super Mutants has left a marauding blight upon the wasteland.

** After TheReveal that [[spoiler:Vault-Tec has become TheConspiracy after the Great War and are dedicated to [[LetThePastBurn wiping out all Post-War civilizations]] not associated with them so they can TakeOverTheWorld and establish OneNationUnderCopyright, some fans have suggested that Vault-Tec is in part responsible for the series' MedievalStasis, such as them being the true masterminds behind the [=CPG=] Massacre in the backstory of Fallout 4 and being [[TheChessmaster the patrons]] of Littlehorn & Associates in Fallout 3 along with them being the masters of both Talon Company & the Gunners]].

* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-60c Power Armor in the show are entirely practically designed suits (four fully functional suits of them in total [[WordOfGod according to the production designer]]) that are completely faithful to the games depiction of them, and while ''definitely'' cumbersome due to the reality of wearing such a bulky suit in real life, they are depicted incredibly well with both menace and awe every time they show up in the series. All the more impressive is how they are later said to be weighing all over a 160lbs each, [[https://www.tiktok.com/@fallout.on.prime/video/7361912008867958058 and yet the performers can even breakdance in them rather seamlessly]].

* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The T-60c Power Armor in the show are entirely practically designed suits (four fully functional suits of them in total [[WordOfGod according to the production designer]]) that are completely faithful to the games depiction of them, and while ''definitely'' cumbersome due to the reality of wearing such a bulky suit in real life, they are depicted incredibly well with both menace and awe every time they show up in the series.