History YMMV / FableII

16th Oct '16 8:55:36 AM mlsmithca
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* CompleteMonster:
** Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
* DracoInLeatherPants:
** ''Reaver''. Some fans like to portray him as a {{Woobie}} who cries nightly over what he's done, or that he has been abused in the past to excuse his awful behaviour. He's often in love with the Hero of Bowerstone, but sees himself as a monster. [[spoiler: Granted some of Reaver's diaries imply that he might feel guilty about what he did to Oakvale, but he also claims that he's no longer that man.]]
* EnsembleDarkhorse
** Barnum is well liked for his single minded determination, his somewhat shady ideas, and his surprisingly good inventions. He's also very funny, and is unfailingly kind towards the player [[spoiler: and keeps his word when it comes to giving them gold for posing for a photograph in their childhood, and improving Westcliff if you loan him some start up gold; which he returns ''with'' interest. Unfortunately Reaver kills him when Barnum mentions it will take time for his photograph to develop, something even the more devoted Reaver fans were upset about.]]
* EvenBetterSequel:
** Many consider ''Fable II'' to be the best game in the series. It streamlined the best features of ''VideoGame/FableI'' but kept the same charm and humour. The graphics are improved, the battle system is a lot more fluid, and there is much more of Albion to explore. The addition of a dog companion was also extremely well received.
* EvilIsCool:
** Reaver is an incredibly popular character [[spoiler: which is why he was bought back for ''Fable III''.]]
* EvilIsSexy:
** Sparrow as [[LawfulEvil Fanatic.]]
** Reaver.

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* CompleteMonster:
**
CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.
* DracoInLeatherPants:
**
DracoInLeatherPants: ''Reaver''. Some fans like to portray him as a {{Woobie}} who cries nightly over what he's done, or that he has been abused in the past to excuse his awful behaviour. He's often in love with the Hero of Bowerstone, but sees himself as a monster. [[spoiler: Granted some of Reaver's diaries imply that he might feel guilty about what he did to Oakvale, but he also claims that he's no longer that man.]]
* EnsembleDarkhorse
**
EnsembleDarkhorse: Barnum is well liked for his single minded determination, his somewhat shady ideas, and his surprisingly good inventions. He's also very funny, and is unfailingly kind towards the player [[spoiler: and keeps his word when it comes to giving them gold for posing for a photograph in their childhood, and improving Westcliff if you loan him some start up gold; which he returns ''with'' interest. Unfortunately Reaver kills him when Barnum mentions it will take time for his photograph to develop, something even the more devoted Reaver fans were upset about.]]
* EvenBetterSequel:
**
EvenBetterSequel: Many consider ''Fable II'' to be the best game in the series. It streamlined the best features of ''VideoGame/FableI'' but kept the same charm and humour. The graphics are improved, the battle system is a lot more fluid, and there is much more of Albion to explore. The addition of a dog companion was also extremely well received.
* EvilIsCool:
**
EvilIsCool: Reaver is an incredibly popular character [[spoiler: which is why he was bought back for ''Fable III''.]]
* EvilIsSexy:
**
%%* EvilIsSexy:
%%**
Sparrow as [[LawfulEvil Fanatic.]]
** Reaver.%%** Reaver.
%%The above examples are zero-context examples. Do not uncomment them without expanding them.



* GoddamnedBats:
** Hollowmen. They attack in large numbers and they are absolutely ''everywhere'' that resembles a tomb.
* GoddamnedBoss:
** Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
* GoodBadBugs:
** There's a house in Bowerstone Market called 'Monster Manor' which temporarily gives your character an extra star in Pysique if you sleep there. However, unlike in other houses with the Bodybuilder bonus, you can infinitely 'unlearn' the ability to get free experience points. You can max our your Hero's stats in under an hour using this method.
* HellIsThatNoise:
** The soft ''whoosh'' noise that wisps make when they enter the ground to revive skeletons into Hollowmen. Quickly followed by undead growls.
* KarmaHoudini:
** Reaver. He gets away with all of the awful things that he does, and nothing bad ever happens to him in return. [[spoiler: You could argue that losing his hometown of Oakvale was a sort of punishment, but {{YMMV}} on how it effects him in his later life.]]
* MagnificentBastard:
** ''Reaver''. He's handsome, charming, and [[spoiler: tries to trick the Hero into losing their youth the moment he meets them. He destroyed his hometown so he can achieve eternal youth, shoots a sculptor for not getting his buttocks right, kills Barnum because photographs take time to develop, and can kill Lucien before the Hero gets a chance to if you aren't quick enough.]]

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* GoddamnedBats:
**
GoddamnedBats: Hollowmen. They attack in large numbers and they are absolutely ''everywhere'' that resembles a tomb.
* GoddamnedBoss:
**
GoddamnedBoss: Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
* GoodBadBugs:
**
GoodBadBugs: There's a house in Bowerstone Market called 'Monster Manor' which temporarily gives your character an extra star in Pysique if you sleep there. However, unlike in other houses with the Bodybuilder bonus, you can infinitely 'unlearn' the ability to get free experience points. You can max our your Hero's stats in under an hour using this method.
* HellIsThatNoise:
**
HellIsThatNoise: The soft ''whoosh'' noise that wisps make when they enter the ground to revive skeletons into Hollowmen. Quickly followed by undead growls.
* KarmaHoudini:
**
KarmaHoudini: Reaver. He gets away with all of the awful things that he does, and nothing bad ever happens to him in return. [[spoiler: You could argue that losing his hometown of Oakvale was a sort of punishment, but {{YMMV}} on how it effects him in his later life.punishment.]]
* MagnificentBastard:
**
MagnificentBastard: ''Reaver''. He's handsome, charming, and [[spoiler: tries to trick the Hero into losing their youth the moment he meets them. He destroyed his hometown so he can achieve eternal youth, shoots a sculptor for not getting his buttocks right, kills Barnum because photographs take time to develop, and can kill Lucien before the Hero gets a chance to if you aren't quick enough.]]



* ThatOneBoss:
** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small area.
* TheScrappy:
** Sam and Max aren't well liked because their sidequests include them doing something stupid, and the Hero having to clean up after them. They're never all that grateful when you save them, either, and their supposed humour is hit and miss for most players. [[spoiler: They return in ''VideoGame/FableIII'' from the ''grave'' to screw things over for the Hero of Brightwall too.]]

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* ThatOneBoss:
**
TheScrappy: Sam and Max aren't well liked because their sidequests include them doing something stupid, and the Hero having to clean up after them. They're never all that grateful when you save them, either, and their supposed humour is hit and miss for most players. [[spoiler: They return in ''VideoGame/FableIII'' from the ''grave'' to screw things over for the Hero of Brightwall too.]]
* ThatOneBoss:
The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small area. \n* TheScrappy:\n** Sam and Max aren't well liked because their sidequests include them doing something stupid, and the Hero having to clean up after them. They're never all that grateful when you save them, either, and their supposed humour is hit and miss for most players. [[spoiler: They return in ''VideoGame/FableIII'' from the ''grave'' to screw things over for the Hero of Brightwall too.]]
16th Oct '16 3:02:35 AM Aruu
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* DracoInLeatherPants:
** ''Reaver''. Some fans like to portray him as a {{Woobie}} who cries nightly over what he's done, or that he has been abused in the past to excuse his awful behaviour. He's often in love with the Hero of Bowerstone, but sees himself as a monster. [[spoiler: Granted some of Reaver's diaries imply that he might feel guilty about what he did to Oakvale, but he also claims that he's no longer that man.]]



* EvenBetterSequel:
** Many consider ''Fable II'' to be the best game in the series. It streamlined the best features of ''VideoGame/FableI'' but kept the same charm and humour. The graphics are improved, the battle system is a lot more fluid, and there is much more of Albion to explore. The addition of a dog companion was also extremely well received.



* FanficFuel:
** What happened to [[spoiler: Theresa between the events of ''Fable I'' and ''Fable II'' and how she effectively became immortal.]]
** Reaver's backstory [[spoiler: post Oakvale and before the events of ''Fable II''.]]



** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small area.



* HellIsThatNoise:
** The soft ''whoosh'' noise that wisps make when they enter the ground to revive skeletons into Hollowmen. Quickly followed by undead growls.
* KarmaHoudini:
** Reaver. He gets away with all of the awful things that he does, and nothing bad ever happens to him in return. [[spoiler: You could argue that losing his hometown of Oakvale was a sort of punishment, but {{YMMV}} on how it effects him in his later life.]]



* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The Gargoyle's TrashTalk:
-->'''Gargoyle''': Hey, Hero! I got a quest for ya--kiss my ass!

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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: MostWonderfulSound:
**
The Gargoyle's TrashTalk:
-->'''Gargoyle''': Hey, Hero! I got
crack of stone when you shoot a quest for ya--kiss my ass!taunting Gargoyle in the face.
** The bark of your dog, since it usually means he's found some treasure or a dig spot.


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* ThatOneBoss:
** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small area.
* TheScrappy:
** Sam and Max aren't well liked because their sidequests include them doing something stupid, and the Hero having to clean up after them. They're never all that grateful when you save them, either, and their supposed humour is hit and miss for most players. [[spoiler: They return in ''VideoGame/FableIII'' from the ''grave'' to screw things over for the Hero of Brightwall too.]]
14th Oct '16 11:33:04 AM Aruu
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* CompleteMonster: Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.

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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
**
Reaver. In the [[VideoGame/FableII second game]] he manages to double cross the main character at least twice and was revealed to be the person responsible for [[spoiler: the destruction of Oakvale, though he actually regretted that action in the past (key emphasis on the past tense in that statement)]]. In the [[VideoGame/FableIII third game]] he [[CorruptCorporateExecutive controls the Bowerstone industrial sector]], which he forces children to work in factories and shoots workers who slow or grow tired, protest, or break some unannounced rule he has yet to think up. He also acts as an advisor to the king in which his suggestions will be something along the lines of deforestation and tearing down a school to make room for a whorehouse.whorehouse.
* EnsembleDarkhorse
** Barnum is well liked for his single minded determination, his somewhat shady ideas, and his surprisingly good inventions. He's also very funny, and is unfailingly kind towards the player [[spoiler: and keeps his word when it comes to giving them gold for posing for a photograph in their childhood, and improving Westcliff if you loan him some start up gold; which he returns ''with'' interest. Unfortunately Reaver kills him when Barnum mentions it will take time for his photograph to develop, something even the more devoted Reaver fans were upset about.]]
* EvilIsCool:
** Reaver is an incredibly popular character [[spoiler: which is why he was bought back for ''Fable III''.]]


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* FoeYay:
** Reaver/The Hero of Bowerstone is easily the most popular ship in the fandom, regardless of gender. It's fueled by the fact Reaver does somewhat flirt with the Hero in game.
** Reaver/Garth is also quite popular. [[spoiler: Enough that you can find a ''book'' about it in Fable III, written by an [[TakeThat obsessed fangirl.]]]]
** The Hero of Bowerstone/The Commandant has a small but dedicated following.
* GoddamnedBats:
** Hollowmen. They attack in large numbers and they are absolutely ''everywhere'' that resembles a tomb.


Added DiffLines:

* GoodBadBugs:
** There's a house in Bowerstone Market called 'Monster Manor' which temporarily gives your character an extra star in Pysique if you sleep there. However, unlike in other houses with the Bodybuilder bonus, you can infinitely 'unlearn' the ability to get free experience points. You can max our your Hero's stats in under an hour using this method.
* MagnificentBastard:
** ''Reaver''. He's handsome, charming, and [[spoiler: tries to trick the Hero into losing their youth the moment he meets them. He destroyed his hometown so he can achieve eternal youth, shoots a sculptor for not getting his buttocks right, kills Barnum because photographs take time to develop, and can kill Lucien before the Hero gets a chance to if you aren't quick enough.]]
14th Oct '16 10:21:09 AM Aruu
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than ''VideoGame/FableIII''.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than''VideoGame/FableI'' than ''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than ''VideoGame/FableIII''.
14th Oct '16 10:15:28 AM Aruu
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the ''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than ''VideoGame/FableIII''.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the ''VideoGame/FableI'' than''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than ''VideoGame/FableIII''.



** Farmer Giles has his wife murdered by Ripper, just because they found out about his gang being crossdressers.

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** Farmer Giles has his wife murdered by Ripper, just because they found out about his gang being crossdressers.crossdressers.
** Rose. She struggles to look after Sparrow while living on the streets and is propositioned despite being in her mid teens at the most. Then, when she thinks that they're going to get to live in Fairfax Castle, she's shot and killed in cold blood. [[spoiler: If the Banshees are telling the truth, Rose also didn't die right away from the first shot. She had to listen as her younger sibling was shot out of the window, heard their body hit the ground, and ''cried'' before Lucien finished her off with a final shot.]]
14th Oct '16 10:08:43 AM Aruu
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** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small arena.

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** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small arena.area.



** [[spoiler: Reaver tricks the Hero into taking the Dark Seal to the Shadow Court, where they'll RapidlyAge in order to 'top up' Reaver's eternal youth. However the Hero meets an innocent girl there, and has the option to give the Dark Seal to her instead. Interestingly enough, Theresa will admit that it was a difficult choice if the Hero chooses to let the girl age instead of them.]]

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** [[spoiler: Reaver tricks the Hero into taking the Dark Seal to the Shadow Court, where they'll RapidlyAge [[RapidAging rapidly age]] in order to 'top up' Reaver's eternal youth. However the Hero meets an innocent girl there, and has the option to give the Dark Seal to her instead. Interestingly enough, Theresa will admit that it was a difficult choice if the Hero chooses to let the girl age instead of them.]]



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the original and is regarded as being better than Fable III.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the original ''VideoGame/FableI'' and is regarded as being better than Fable III.''VideoGame/FableIII''.
14th Oct '16 10:06:09 AM Aruu
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* EvilIsSexy: Sparrow as [[LawfulEvil Fanatic.]]
* GoddamnedBoss: Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:The original Commandant ordering you to kill Bob, the poor guard. This is after the Commandant's methods have reduced Bob to a gibbering wreck.]]
* MostAnnoyingSound: "Oh, please, great hero. May I have your autograph?"

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* EvilIsSexy: EvilIsSexy:
**
Sparrow as [[LawfulEvil Fanatic.]]
** Reaver.
* GoddamnedBoss: GoddamnedBoss:
**
Trolls. Their weak points only pop out for a short time between attacks, and each one is destroyed when hit, so the last hit is often a tricky shot. For added irritation, their attacks knock you back and stun you.
** The Commandant is ''the'' hardest boss in the game. You only have access to three healing potions, weaker weapons [[spoiler: and if you chose the 'good' options while in the Spire, you might have even temporarily lost an ability or two.]] He hits hard, spams long range will attacks, summons Spire Guards to help him ''and'' the fight is in a very small arena.
* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
**
[[spoiler:The original Commandant ordering you to kill Bob, the poor guard. This is after the Commandant's methods have reduced Bob to a gibbering wreck.]]
** [[spoiler: Reaver tricks the Hero into taking the Dark Seal to the Shadow Court, where they'll RapidlyAge in order to 'top up' Reaver's eternal youth. However the Hero meets an innocent girl there, and has the option to give the Dark Seal to her instead. Interestingly enough, Theresa will admit that it was a difficult choice if the Hero chooses to let the girl age instead of them.]]
* MostAnnoyingSound: MostAnnoyingSound:
**
"Oh, please, great hero. May I have your autograph?"autograph?"
** "I'm a good widdle boy!"



* PlayerPunch: Towards the end, it starts to seem like Lucien is spending his off hours thinking up new ways to piss your character off.

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* PlayerPunch: PlayerPunch:
**
Towards the end, it starts to seem like Lucien is spending his off hours thinking up new ways to piss your character off.off. [[spoiler: Especially when he shoots your dog.]]



* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the original.
* TheWoobie: Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Fable 2 has gotten a much better reception than the original.
original and is regarded as being better than Fable III.
* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
**
Any player character is set to lose their sister [[spoiler:and their dog]] regardless of how you play. This can be taken UpToEleven if [[spoiler:you have a family, as Lucien will kill them himself]].
21st Aug '16 10:10:12 PM AquaRegia
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* ValuesDissonance: The Blind Date quest may be that to homophobic players, given that [[spoiler: setting up Rupert with a gay man rewards you with Good points and setting him up with a woman rewards you with Evil points]].
12th Jun '16 8:55:08 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: If Sparrow is both good and pure, their hair will turn blonde, their eyes blue, and their skin pale. Contrast with becoming evil and corrupt, where they'll turn into a dark-skinned, dark-haired literal demon figure.
22nd May '16 2:38:57 PM ajbit26
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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler: You don't battle Lucien, and you may not even get him to kill him yourself if you listen to him [[VillainousBreakdown rant]] for too long.]]

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* AntiClimaxBoss: [[spoiler: You don't battle Lucien, and you may not even get him to kill him yourself if you listen to him [[VillainousBreakdown rant]] for too long.]]
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