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** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, [[TrappedByMountainLions it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all.]] It's easy to think that they should have been given a better use, especially given that the last time the heroes did a side quest job like that was in Season 1.

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** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, [[TrappedByMountainLions it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all.]] It's easy to think that they should have been given a better use, especially given that the last time the heroes did a side quest job like that was in Season 1.1.
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* ClicheStorm: The series had never been terribly original, but Season 4 took it UpToEleven, as it added a barrage of classical plot points related to TheChosenOne (namely, a younger character endowed with stock superpowers she cannot control and who is at one point forced to choose between staying or leaving her family behind) and made the Chairwoman's babble turn more and more trite, to the point Márquez himself lampshaded it in the last episode.

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* ClicheStorm: The series had never been terribly original, but Season 4 took it UpToEleven, up to eleven, as it added a barrage of classical plot points related to TheChosenOne (namely, a younger character endowed with stock superpowers she cannot control and who is at one point forced to choose between staying or leaving her family behind) and made the Chairwoman's babble turn more and more trite, to the point Márquez himself lampshaded it in the last episode.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Just how much free will [[spoiler:Mendieta has after selling his soul to the Devil? His lines somehow imply he is under some kind of influence that he had to struggle against in order to turn.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Just how much free will [[spoiler:Mendieta has after selling his soul to the Devil? His lines somehow imply he is not voluntarily evil, only under some kind of influence that he had to struggle against in order to turn.turn to good.]]



** The series had made a big deal of the fact that returned people came with no knowledge of their new body's previous life, so they had to struggle to adapt to it. However, in the third season [[spoiler:Laura returns in the Verónica's body and suddely the Walkway can give her all of her experience and skills while retaining her own personality, clearly in a lazy effort to make her an AffirmativeActionGirl.]]
** All the deaths and failures in Season 3's finale [[spoiler:becoming undone because Iago's and Susana's son is suddenly revealed to be a GooGooGodlike that somehow can use his RealityWarper powers to save the day. This episode is the literally first time the baby is hinted to be anything other than a political tool for the human and alien races, it is never explained exactly ''why'' the offspring of a human and a Walkwayed person can turn out that way, and all the foreshadowing consists on the Chairwoman uttering an incredibly lame last minute prophecy about him in the last episode.]]

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** The series had made a big deal of the fact that returned people came with no knowledge of their new body's previous life, so they had to struggle to adapt to it. However, in the third season [[spoiler:Laura returns in the Verónica's body and suddely the Walkway can give her all of her experience and skills while retaining her own personality, clearly in a lazy effort to make her an AffirmativeActionGirl.]]
** All the deaths and failures in Season 3's finale [[spoiler:becoming undone because Iago's and Susana's son is suddenly revealed to be a GooGooGodlike that somehow can use his RealityWarper powers specifically to save the day. This episode is the literally first time the baby is hinted to be anything other than a political tool for the human and alien races, it is never explained exactly ''why'' the offspring of a human and a Walkwayed person can turn out that way, and all the foreshadowing consists on the Chairwoman uttering an incredibly lame last minute prophecy about him in the last episode.]]



** The Butcher, and in especial his tendency to reappear shockingly at the end of every season. While he is appreciated as a great villain, if also an underutilized one, some think the writers are cheapening him by turning him into an "[[WolverinePublicity Instant Climax: Just Insert the Butcher]]" kind of plot device to raise the stakes that ultimately goes nowhere.

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** The Butcher, and in especial his tendency to reappear shockingly at the end of every season. While he is appreciated as a great villain, if also an underutilized one, some think the writers are cheapening him by turning him into an "[[WolverinePublicity Instant Climax: Just Insert the Butcher]]" kind of plot device to raise the stakes that ultimately goes nowhere.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are speculations that Carlota's character was retooled mid-production, as her first appearances are so jarring for what she is later revealed to be that no amount of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness or RedHerring can explain it. The biggest offender might be her introduction to Iago, as she claims smugly that they actually know each other very well, only that she has "changed her appearance a lot"... which later goes nowhere when she is revealed to be just an unrelated Walkway agent in a cover mission, who doesn't know Iago at all nor ever claims such thing again, and whose "change" amounts explicitly to switching her uniform for street clothes. This, along with scenes where she wears a hood and proclaims her work will be a "butcher's work", has led people to believe that she was originally meant to be a returned Butcher before the scriptwriters changed their mind mid-season.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are speculations that Carlota's character was retooled mid-production, as her first appearances are so jarring for what she is later revealed to be that no amount of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness or RedHerring can explain it. The biggest offender might be her introduction to Iago, as she claims smugly that they actually know each other very well, only that she has "changed her appearance a lot"... which later goes nowhere when she is revealed to be just an unrelated Walkway agent in a cover mission, who doesn't know Iago at all nor ever claims such thing again, and whose "change" amounts explicitly to switching her uniform for street clothes. This, along with scenes where she wears a hood and proclaims her work will be a "butcher's work", has led people to believe that she was originally meant to be a returned Butcher before the scriptwriters changed their mind mid-season.in midst of the season.



** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as an angelic being without a past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better. The fact that this background is rarely mentioned in the next seasons makes one think it might be divisive among the writers too.

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** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as an angelic being without a past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe believes it could have been played better. The fact that this background is rarely mentioned in the next seasons makes one think it might be divisive among the writers too.



** In line to the point above, the second season downplaying supernatural gimmicks like Márquez's immortality and magic gun (the viewer could be forgiven for forgetting totally about them, given that the former is barely demonstrated and the latter is not used at all aside from a callback) and having regular, defeatable men as villains instead of superhuman demons/spirits/whatever (although those [[spoiler:make a cameo at the end]]). As with the rest, some approve it and some do not.

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** In line to the point above, the second season downplaying supernatural gimmicks like Márquez's immortality and magic gun (the viewer could be forgiven pardoned for forgetting totally about them, given that the former is barely demonstrated and the latter is not used at all aside from a callback) and having regular, defeatable men as villains instead of superhuman demons/spirits/whatever (although those [[spoiler:make a cameo at the end]]). As with the rest, some approve it and some do not.



* CaptainObviousReveal: In Season 4, the revelation that [[spoiler:the three InexplicablyAwesome old ladies are supernatural beings]] is so crystal clear that the viewer might wonder whether it was meant to be a reveal to begin with, and why did they wait for so long before unveling it. The onlyfactor that made it look less probable was the absolutely bizarre way their first appearance was written, as no character seemed to find anything about them strange and it was never explained how did they get their military-grade weapons, nor what happened to them after being busted.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: In Season 4, the revelation that [[spoiler:the three InexplicablyAwesome old ladies are supernatural beings]] is so crystal clear from the start that the viewer might wonder whether it was meant to be a reveal to begin with, and why did they wait for so long before unveling it. unveiling it in that case. The onlyfactor only factor that made it look less probable was the absolutely bizarre way their first appearance was written, as no character seemed to find anything strange about them strange and it was never explained how did they get their military-grade weapons, nor what happened to them after being busted.



* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim, however, couldn't be more strange: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his persistent romantic relationship with Adriana - in general, a role typically associated to ''female'' characters. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included rugged heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. If anything, Uribe would be just the most conventionally handsome of all, which makes the complaint sound instead like just disguised body-shaming.

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* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim, however, couldn't be more strange: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} {{Muggle}}, and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his persistent romantic relationship with Adriana - in general, a role typically associated to ''female'' characters. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included rugged heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' least manly out of all of them. If anything, Uribe would be just the most conventionally handsome of all, which makes the complaint sound instead like just disguised body-shaming.



** The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy guy from his previous life, while one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.

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** The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like burocratic afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy guy from his previous life, while one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.



* StrangledByTheRedString: The moment in Season 4 where [[spoiler:Iago admits to reciprocate Carlota's feelings, being just too scared to love again after losing Susana]], comes basically from nowhere. [[spoiler:While Carlota had been shown to be attracted to him since her introductory season, Iago hadn't, and he goes basically from showing zero romantic attraction to her to suddenly putting her at the same level as Susana in his eyes.]] To say this can be jarring is falling short.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: The moment in Season 4 where [[spoiler:Iago admits to reciprocate Carlota's feelings, being just too scared to love again after losing Susana]], comes basically from nowhere. [[spoiler:While Carlota had been shown to be attracted to him since her introductory season, Iago hadn't, and he goes basically from showing zero romantic attraction to her Carlota to suddenly putting her at the same level as Susana in his eyes.]] To say call this can be jarring is falling short.an understatement.
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** The Butcher was an interesting villain who could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him just behaving ominously and doing generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:reappearances in the next seasons as a hired gun to Mendieta and [=DH72=] only worsened it.]]

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** The Butcher was an interesting villain who could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him just behaving ominously and doing generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew learned what exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him.was his motivation. His posterior [[spoiler:reappearances in the next seasons as a hired gun to Mendieta and [=DH72=] only worsened it.]]



** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to think that they should have been given a better use, especially given that the last time the heroes did a side quest job like that was in Season 1.

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** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, [[TrappedByMountainLions it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. all.]] It's easy to think that they should have been given a better use, especially given that the last time the heroes did a side quest job like that was in Season 1.
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** The series had made a big deal of the fact that returned people came with no knowledge of their new body's previous life, so they had to struggle to adapt to it. However, in the third season [[spoiler:Laura returns in the Verónica's body and suddely the Walkway can give her all of her experience and skills while retaining her own personality, in a lazy effort to make her an AffirmativActionGirl.]]

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** The series had made a big deal of the fact that returned people came with no knowledge of their new body's previous life, so they had to struggle to adapt to it. However, in the third season [[spoiler:Laura returns in the Verónica's body and suddely the Walkway can give her all of her experience and skills while retaining her own personality, clearly in a lazy effort to make her an AffirmativActionGirl.AffirmativeActionGirl.]]



* SeasonalRot: While Season 3 was already step down compared to the previous two, Season 4 became officially the lowest point of the series, with TV ratings basically plummetting in its course. Fans and critics disliked especially the failure at a LighterAndSofter tone, the embroiled and poorly explained plot, and the decision to push important characters out of the spotlight in order to focus on new cast additions who also failed utterly at drawing a response from the viewers.

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* SeasonalRot: While Season 3 was already step down compared to the previous two, Season 4 became officially the lowest point of the series, with TV ratings basically plummetting in its course. Fans and critics disliked especially the failure at a LighterAndSofter tone, the embroiled and poorly explained plot, and the decision to push important beloved characters out of the spotlight in order to focus on new cast additions who also failed utterly at drawing a response from the viewers.viewers. It came to the point that talks about cancellation started going on ''before'' the season had even ended, and this seems to be the course of the series right now.

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** In Season 3, again, [[spoiler:the Butcher. His introduction between the rebel agents is genuinely badass, but all of his participation in the finale amounts to talking crap in a couple scenes before ''Márquez finishes him with a single shot'', from out of cover and without any fight whatsoever put by the baddies.]]

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** In Season 3, again, [[spoiler:the Butcher. His introduction between the rebel agents is genuinely badass, but all of his participation in the finale amounts to talking crap trash-talking in a couple scenes before ''Márquez finishes him with a single shot'', from out of cover and without any fight whatsoever put by the baddies.]]



** The fourth season plot being almost entirely solved in the last episode by [[spoiler:Márquez, Iago, Sebas and Santos somehow acquiring incredibly convenient superpowers by touching Adriana while she was unconscious. Such thing had never been even remotely suggested to be a possibility, especially after all the focus put on how Adriana struggled to control her powers herself and how she was supposed to be unique at this.]] The finale also includes another [[spoiler:last episode prophecy which sounds farfetched enough to summon the MST3KMantra.]]



** The three original Liaisons. You either find them hilarious or unbearable.

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** The three original Liaisons. You either find them hilarious or unbearable.unsufferable.



* CaptainObviousReveal: In Season 4, the revelation that [[spoiler:the three InexplicablyAwesome old ladies are supernatural beings]] is so crystal clear that the viewer might wonder whether it was meant to be a reveal to begin with, and why did they wait for so long before unveling it. The only thing that made it look less probable was the absolutely bizarre way their first appearance was written, as no character seemed to find anything about them strange and it was never explained how did they get their military-grade weapons, nor what happened to them after being busted.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: In Season 4, the revelation that [[spoiler:the three InexplicablyAwesome old ladies are supernatural beings]] is so crystal clear that the viewer might wonder whether it was meant to be a reveal to begin with, and why did they wait for so long before unveling it. The only thing onlyfactor that made it look less probable was the absolutely bizarre way their first appearance was written, as no character seemed to find anything about them strange and it was never explained how did they get their military-grade weapons, nor what happened to them after being busted.busted.
* ClicheStorm: The series had never been terribly original, but Season 4 took it UpToEleven, as it added a barrage of classical plot points related to TheChosenOne (namely, a younger character endowed with stock superpowers she cannot control and who is at one point forced to choose between staying or leaving her family behind) and made the Chairwoman's babble turn more and more trite, to the point Márquez himself lampshaded it in the last episode.



** The fight against the Chinese shopkeepers in Season 3 had some strangely unconvincing choreography, probably because the action was so close that they could not use stunt doubles for the leads. For this reason, the point where Sebas uses some nice ImprovFu against his opponent is the only point where it does not look like they are just exchanging light taps.

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** The fight against the Chinese shopkeepers in Season 3 had some strangely unconvincing choreography, probably because the action was so close that they could not use stunt doubles for the leads. For this reason, the point where Sebas uses some nice ImprovFu against his opponent is the only point where it does not look like they are just exchanging trading light taps.



* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim couldn't be more strange: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his persistent romantic relationship with Adriana - in general, a role typically associated to ''female'' characters. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included rugged heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. If anything, Uribe would be just the most conventionally handsome of all of them, which makes the complaint sound instead like just disguised body-shaming.

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* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim claim, however, couldn't be more strange: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his persistent romantic relationship with Adriana - in general, a role typically associated to ''female'' characters. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included rugged heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. If anything, Uribe would be just the most conventionally handsome of all of them, all, which makes the complaint sound instead like just disguised body-shaming.


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* SeasonalRot: While Season 3 was already step down compared to the previous two, Season 4 became officially the lowest point of the series, with TV ratings basically plummetting in its course. Fans and critics disliked especially the failure at a LighterAndSofter tone, the embroiled and poorly explained plot, and the decision to push important characters out of the spotlight in order to focus on new cast additions who also failed utterly at drawing a response from the viewers.

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** While it can chalked up to the Chairwoman now knowing her gender, it's at least surprising that the miraculous son (who was referred in unmistakingly male pronouns) turned out to be a girl the next season.



** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as an angelic being without a past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.

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** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as an angelic being without a past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better. The fact that this background is rarely mentioned in the next seasons makes one think it might be divisive among the writers too.



** In Season 1, there was the painfully visible fact that Alejo Sauras (Iago) had probably not hit a heavy bag in his life, as every time he threw a fancy superman punch, he just flailed his hand around. He fared better with grappling moves, but those are not used as often in the series.
** The fight against the Chinese shopkeepers in Season 3 had some strangely unconvincing choreography, probably because the action was so close that they could not use stunt doubles for the leads. For this reason, the point where Sebas uses some nice ImprovFu against his opponent is the only point where it does not look like they are just swinging light taps around.

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** In Season 1, there was the painfully visible fact that Alejo Sauras (Iago) had probably not hit a heavy bag in his life, as every time he threw a fancy superman punch, he just flailed his hand around.around, in a way that would have surely broken his wrist had it connected. He fared better with grappling moves, but those are not used as often in the series.
** The fight against the Chinese shopkeepers in Season 3 had some strangely unconvincing choreography, probably because the action was so close that they could not use stunt doubles for the leads. For this reason, the point where Sebas uses some nice ImprovFu against his opponent is the only point where it does not look like they are just swinging exchanging light taps around.taps.



* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim comes across as odd because it couldn't be any more unfit: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his persistent romantic relationship with Adriana - a role typically associated to ''female'' characters. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included rugged heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. If anything, Uribe would be just the most conventionally handsome of all of them, which would make the complaint sound like disguised body-shaming.

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* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim comes across as odd because it couldn't be any more unfit: strange: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his persistent romantic relationship with Adriana - in general, a role typically associated to ''female'' characters. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included rugged heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. If anything, Uribe would be just the most conventionally handsome of all of them, which would make makes the complaint sound instead like just disguised body-shaming.



** While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor was actually substantially older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing, and Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that even the producers themselves probably had enough of this.

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** While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor was actually substantially older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing, and Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that even the producers themselves probably had enough of this.



** The Butcher was an interesting villain who could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:reappearances in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta and in Season 3 as [=DH72=]'s hired gun only worsened it.]]
** The unseen, unexplained "Devil" Mendieta sold his soul to. Did it exist? Was it just a metaphor? A metaphor for what, in that case? Season 2 reveals so little about him that it's hard not to think he should have received at least ''some'' time.

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** The Butcher was an interesting villain who could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave behaving ominously and do doing generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:reappearances in Season 2 the next seasons as merely an EliteMook a hired gun to Mendieta and in Season 3 as [=DH72=]'s hired gun [=DH72=] only worsened it.]]
** The unseen, unexplained "Devil" Mendieta sold his soul to. Did it exist? Was it just a metaphor? A metaphor for what, in that case? Season 2 reveals so little about him that it's hard not to think he should have received at least ''some'' time.exposition.



** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to think that they should have been given a better use, especially given that the last time the heroes did a side quest job like them was in Season 1.

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** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to think that they should have been given a better use, especially given that the last time the heroes did a side quest job like them that was in Season 1.

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** The three original Liaisons. You either find them hilarious or unbearable.



** Generally, everything about Season 4. [[spoiler:Are Adriana and Uribe interesting new characters, or the cheapest YoungerAndHipper cast addition possible? Is the new LighterAndSofter tone fit for the COVID-19 times as the producers claimed, or have they gone completely overboard with it, leaving the series feeling without stakes or excitement?]]

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** Generally, everything about Season 4. [[spoiler:Are Adriana and Uribe interesting new characters, or the cheapest YoungerAndHipper cast addition possible? Is the new LighterAndSofter tone fit for the COVID-19 times as the producers claimed, or have they gone completely overboard with it, leaving the series feeling without any stakes or excitement?]]



* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim comes across as odd, because it couldn't be any more unfit: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his romantic relationship with Adriana. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included butting heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. (Unless one interprets that being unfairly accused of things is part of being a ButtMonkey, which is awkwardly played here in that case.)

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* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim comes across as odd, odd because it couldn't be any more unfit: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his persistent romantic relationship with Adriana. Adriana - a role typically associated to ''female'' characters. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included butting rugged heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. (Unless one interprets that being unfairly accused If anything, Uribe would be just the most conventionally handsome of things is part all of being a ButtMonkey, them, which is awkwardly played here in that case.)would make the complaint sound like disguised body-shaming.



** The unseen, unexplained "Devil" Mendieta sold his soul to. Season 2 reveals so little about him that it's hard not to think he should have received at least ''some'' time.

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** The unseen, unexplained "Devil" Mendieta sold his soul to. Did it exist? Was it just a metaphor? A metaphor for what, in that case? Season 2 reveals so little about him that it's hard not to think he should have received at least ''some'' time.



** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to think, thus, that they should have been given a better use.

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** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seems to have been tacked in in order to give the heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to think, thus, think that they should have been given a better use.use, especially given that the last time the heroes did a side quest job like them was in Season 1.

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* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor was actually substantially older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that even the producers themselves probably had enough of this.



* {{Squick}}: Carlota handing Adriana the hologram of her parents so she can know them. All fine until one remembers the item is implied to be the equivalent to a '''sex tape'''.

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** While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor was actually substantially older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing, and Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that even the producers themselves probably had enough of this.
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** Generally, everything about Season 4. [[spoiler:Are Adriana and Uribe interesting new characters, or the cheapest YoungerAndHipper cast addition possible? Is the new LighterAndSofter tone fit for the COVID-19 times as the producers claimed, or have they gone completely overboard with it, leaving the series feeling without stakes or excitement?]]
* CaptainObviousReveal: In Season 4, the revelation that [[spoiler:the three InexplicablyAwesome old ladies are supernatural beings]] is so crystal clear that the viewer might wonder whether it was meant to be a reveal to begin with, and why did they wait for so long before unveling it. The only thing that made it look less probable was the absolutely bizarre way their first appearance was written, as no character seemed to find anything about them strange and it was never explained how did they get their military-grade weapons, nor what happened to them after being busted.


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* InformedWrongness: The three original Liaisons call derisively Uribe an "alpha male" in a point about toxic masculinity. This claim comes across as odd, because it couldn't be any more unfit: at that point, Uribe was basically the cast's official ButtMonkey due to lacking any above-average skill, being previously a {{Muggle}} and having a rather squeamish personality, to the point his only reason to be there was his romantic relationship with Adriana. Compared to the rest of male characters in the scene, which included butting heroes like Márquez, Sebas and Santos, one could rather make the point that Uribe is the ''least'' manly out of all of them. (Unless one interprets that being unfairly accused of things is part of being a ButtMonkey, which is awkwardly played here in that case.)


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* {{Squick}}: Carlota handing Adriana the hologram of her parents so she can know them. All fine until one remembers the item is implied to be the equivalent to a '''sex tape'''.
* StrangledByTheRedString: The moment in Season 4 where [[spoiler:Iago admits to reciprocate Carlota's feelings, being just too scared to love again after losing Susana]], comes basically from nowhere. [[spoiler:While Carlota had been shown to be attracted to him since her introductory season, Iago hadn't, and he goes basically from showing zero romantic attraction to her to suddenly putting her at the same level as Susana in his eyes.]] To say this can be jarring is falling short.
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** The Butcher. From a BigBad able to have all the Walkway in their toes to a cheap season finale act [[spoiler:who even gets finished in a minute.]]

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** The Butcher. From a BigBad able to have all the Walkway in on their toes to a cheap season finale act [[spoiler:who even gets finished in a minute.minute the second time.]]



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are fan theories that Carlota's character was retooled mid-production, as her first appearances are so jarring for what she is later revealed to be that no amount of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness or RedHerring can explain it. The biggest offender might be her introduction to Iago, as she claims smugly that they actually know each other very well, only that she has "changed her appearance a lot"... which later goes nowhere when she is revealed to be just an unrelated Walkway agent in a cover mission, who doesn't know Iago at all nor ever claims such thing again, and whose "change" amounts explicitly to switching her uniform for street clothes. This, along with scenes where she wears a hood and proclaims her work will be a "butcher's work", has led people to believe that she was originally meant to be a returned Butcher before the scriptwriters changed their mind mid-season.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are fan theories speculations that Carlota's character was retooled mid-production, as her first appearances are so jarring for what she is later revealed to be that no amount of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness or RedHerring can explain it. The biggest offender might be her introduction to Iago, as she claims smugly that they actually know each other very well, only that she has "changed her appearance a lot"... which later goes nowhere when she is revealed to be just an unrelated Walkway agent in a cover mission, who doesn't know Iago at all nor ever claims such thing again, and whose "change" amounts explicitly to switching her uniform for street clothes. This, along with scenes where she wears a hood and proclaims her work will be a "butcher's work", has led people to believe that she was originally meant to be a returned Butcher before the scriptwriters changed their mind mid-season.



** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as an angelic being without past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.

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** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as an angelic being without a past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.



** Especially in Season 1, there was the painfully visible fact that Alejo Sauras (Iago) had probably not hit a heavy bag in his life, as every time he threw a fancy superman punch, he just flails his hand around. He fares better with grappling moves, but those are not used as often.

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** Especially in In Season 1, there was the painfully visible fact that Alejo Sauras (Iago) had probably not hit a heavy bag in his life, as every time he threw a fancy superman punch, he just flails flailed his hand around. He fares fared better with grappling moves, but those are not used as often.often in the series.



** The Walkway chairwoman and her staff drew the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him properly about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway in Season 2 to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually as ignorant of Mendieta's plot as the main characters were (if not actually more), and her nonsensical role in Season 3 didn't exactly help things.
** [=DH72=] is considered the series's weakest villain due to how bland and uninteresting she is, especially next to characters like the Butcher and Mendieta. Even her revelation as Season 3's BigBad didn't strike as a particularly shocking moment, precisely because she had always been so unremarkable that many people in the audience actually struggled to remember her.
* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor is actually much older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that even the producers themselves probably had enough of this.

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** The Walkway chairwoman and her staff drew the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him properly about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway in Season 2 to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him that the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious (causing ''serious'' problems to his new life there, there), all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually as ignorant of Mendieta's plot as the main characters were (if not actually more), and her nonsensical role in Season 3 didn't exactly help things.
** [=DH72=] is considered the series's weakest villain due to how bland and uninteresting she is, was, especially next to more colourful characters like the Butcher and Mendieta. Even her revelation as Season 3's BigBad didn't strike as a particularly shocking moment, precisely because she had always been so unremarkable that many people in the audience actually struggled to remember her.
* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor is was actually much substantially older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were are always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that even the producers themselves probably had enough of this.



** The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend from his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.
** In Season 3, we have a plot where an organization composed by stern guys in nice suits fights for the harmony between human and vaguely supernatural nonhuman races, with the conception of a hybrid between both (son of one of the main characters) threatening it due to the views of some nonhuman extremists who wish to kill it. Among the good guys there was a secret elite agent initially disguised as an unpleasant nutcase, the villains are foiled by the amazing power generated by the hybrid, and it is revealed that the organization always planned for the couple to get together. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Anime/WickedCity''?

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** The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend guy from his previous life, and while one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.
** In Season 3, we have a plot where an organization composed by stern guys in nice suits fights for the harmony peace between human and vaguely supernatural nonhuman races, with the conception of a hybrid between both (son child (the son of one of the main characters) threatening it the balance due to the ill views of some nonhuman extremists who wish to kill it. Among the good guys there was is a secret elite agent initially disguised as an unpleasant nutcase, the villains are foiled by the amazing power generated by the hybrid, and it is revealed that the organization always planned for the couple to get together. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Anime/WickedCity''?



** Iago can be seen as this, especially because EarlyInstallmentWeirdness had him introduced as worldly badass, very competent and helpful yet also smug and skeptical towards humanity, who acted as Márquez's much needed {{Foil}} after his resurrection. Instead, the final version we got of him was a naive, sensitive goofball with inconsistent abilities, constantly victimized for comic relief, who ironically came across as a much flatter character than before despite the development brought by his exploration of human feelings. This also meant that the RedOniBlueOni relationship who was being teased between him and Márquez was set to be abandoned, being reshaped more like a BuddyPicture show.

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** Iago can be seen as this, especially because EarlyInstallmentWeirdness had him introduced as worldly badass, very competent and helpful yet also smug and skeptical towards humanity, who acted as Márquez's much needed {{Foil}} after his resurrection. Instead, the final version of him we got of him was a naive, sensitive goofball with inconsistent abilities, constantly victimized for comic relief, who ironically came across as a much flatter character than before despite the development brought by his exploration of human feelings. This also meant that the RedOniBlueOni relationship who was being teased between him and Márquez was set to be abandoned, being reshaped more like a BuddyPicture show.



** The unseen, unexplained "Devil" Mendieta sold his soul to. Season 2 reveals so little about him that it's hard not to think he should have received more time.

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** The unseen, unexplained "Devil" Mendieta sold his soul to. Season 2 reveals so little about him that it's hard not to think he should have received more at least ''some'' time.



** The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and comic relief.
** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seemes to have been tacked in in order to give the leads and Carlota something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to think, thus, that they should have been given a better use.

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** The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and comic relief.
relief. This was a complaint already present on the director's previous series, ''Series/AguilaRoja''.
** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seemes seems to have been tacked in in order to give the leads and Carlota heroes something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to think, thus, that they should have been given a better use.
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** Especially in Season 1, there was the painfully visible fact that Alejo Sauras (Iago) had probably not hit a heavy bag in his life, as every time he threw a fancy superman punch, he just flails his hand around. He fares better with grappling moves, but those are not used as often.
** The fight against the Chinese shopkeepers in Season 3 had some strangely unconvincing choreography, probably because the action was so close that they could not use stunt doubles for the leads. For this reason, the point where Sebas uses some nice ImprovFu against his opponent is the only point where it does not look like they are just swinging light taps around.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Just how much free will Mendieta has after selling his soul to the Devil? His lines somehow imply he is under some kind of influence that he had to struggle against in order to turn.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Just Just how much free will Mendieta [[spoiler:Mendieta has after selling his soul to the Devil? His lines somehow imply he is under some kind of influence that he had to struggle against in order to turn.]]



** In Season 3, again, [[spoiler:the Butcher. His introduction between the rebel agents is genuinely badass, but all his participation in the finale amounts to talking crap in a couple scenes before ''Márquez finishes him with a single shot'', out of cover and without any fight whatsoever put by the baddies.]]

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** In Season 3, again, [[spoiler:the Butcher. His introduction between the rebel agents is genuinely badass, but all of his participation in the finale amounts to talking crap in a couple scenes before ''Márquez finishes him with a single shot'', from out of cover and without any fight whatsoever put by the baddies.]]



** All the deaths and failures in Season 3's finale [[spoiler:becoming undone by RealityWarper way, because Iago's and Susana's son is suddenly revealed to be a GooGooGodlike that somehow knows how to use his powers to save the day. This episode is the literally first time he is hinted to be anything other than a political tool for the human and alien races, it is never explained exactly why the offspring of a human and a Walkwayed human can turn out that way, and all the foreshadowing consists on the Chairwoman uttering an incredibly lame last minute prophecy about him.]]

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** All the deaths and failures in Season 3's finale [[spoiler:becoming undone by RealityWarper way, because Iago's and Susana's son is suddenly revealed to be a GooGooGodlike that somehow knows how to can use his RealityWarper powers to save the day. This episode is the literally first time he the baby is hinted to be anything other than a political tool for the human and alien races, it is never explained exactly why ''why'' the offspring of a human and a Walkwayed human person can turn out that way, and all the foreshadowing consists on the Chairwoman uttering an incredibly lame last minute prophecy about him.him in the last episode.]]



** Iago. He started the series a superhuman agent who served as Márquez's HypercompetentSidekick, but just a few episodes were enough to turn him into a comedic {{Cloudcuckoolander}} who barely knew how to do his own job (and whose fighting skills are ''incredibly'' inconsistent). His increasingly troubled love life also removed points of badassery from him, particularly due to the dogged way he is treated by Susana.

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** Iago. He started the series a superhuman agent who served as Márquez's HypercompetentSidekick, but just a few episodes were enough to turn him into a comedic {{Cloudcuckoolander}} who barely knew knows how to do his own job (and whose fighting skills are ''incredibly'' inconsistent). His increasingly troubled love life also removed points of badassery from him, particularly due to the dogged way he is treated by Susana.



** Post-HeelFaceTurn Carlota. Some like her for her goofiness and bits of development, especially next to Iago, while some dislikes her as an AffirmativeActionGirl
** The Butcher, and in especial his tendency to reappear shockingly at the end of every season. While he is appreciated as a great villain, if also an underutilized one, some think the writers are cheapening him by turning him into an "[[WolverinePublicity Instant Climax: Just Insert the Butcher]]" kind of plot device to raise the stakes that ultimately goes to nothing.

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** Post-HeelFaceTurn Carlota. Some like her for her goofiness and bits of development, especially next to Iago, while some dislikes dislike her as an AffirmativeActionGirl
a wasted character whose interesting previous role was overwritten to make her another shallow AffirmativeActionGirl for the hero team.
** The Butcher, and in especial his tendency to reappear shockingly at the end of every season. While he is appreciated as a great villain, if also an underutilized one, some think the writers are cheapening him by turning him into an "[[WolverinePublicity Instant Climax: Just Insert the Butcher]]" kind of plot device to raise the stakes that ultimately goes to nothing.nowhere.



** Season 3 recasting the entire Vargas family by giving Laura, Susana and Bae new bodies after a WhamEpisode, and that's only for starters.
** Is Season 3 an even bigger improvement than Season 2, with greater drama action and surprisingly good performances by new actors? Or is it a complete mess, with a plot that seems to have been heavily [[{{Rewrite}} rewritten]] on the fly at least twice, and whose intriguing character action is ultimately incidental?

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** Season 3 recasting the entire Vargas family by giving Laura, Susana and Bae Bea new bodies after a WhamEpisode, and that's only for starters.
** Is Season 3 an even bigger improvement than Season 2, with greater drama action and surprisingly good performances by the new actors? Or is it a complete mess, with a plot that seems to have been heavily [[{{Rewrite}} rewritten]] on the fly at least twice, and whose intriguing character action is ultimately incidental?



* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor is actually much older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that producers probably had enough of this.

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* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as in real life, his actor is actually much older than hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that even the producers themselves probably had enough of this.



** Iago can be seen as this, especially because EarlyInstallmentWeirdness had him introduced as worldly badass, very competent and helpful yet also smug and skeptical towards humanity, who acted as Márquez's much needed {{Foil}} after his resurrection. Instead, the final version we got of him was a naive, sensitive goofball with inconsistent abilities, constantly a victim of comic relief, who ironically came across as a much flatter character than before despite the development brought by his exploration of human feelings. This also meant that the RedOniBlueOni relationship who was being teased between him and Márquez was set to be abandoned, being reshaped more like a BuddyPicture show.
** The Butcher was an interesting villain that could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:reappearances in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta and in Season 3 as [=DH72=]'s hired gun only worsened it.]]

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** Iago can be seen as this, especially because EarlyInstallmentWeirdness had him introduced as worldly badass, very competent and helpful yet also smug and skeptical towards humanity, who acted as Márquez's much needed {{Foil}} after his resurrection. Instead, the final version we got of him was a naive, sensitive goofball with inconsistent abilities, constantly a victim of victimized for comic relief, who ironically came across as a much flatter character than before despite the development brought by his exploration of human feelings. This also meant that the RedOniBlueOni relationship who was being teased between him and Márquez was set to be abandoned, being reshaped more like a BuddyPicture show.
** The Butcher was an interesting villain that who could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:reappearances in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta and in Season 3 as [=DH72=]'s hired gun only worsened it.]]



** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seemes to have been tacked in in order to give the leads and Carlota something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to thin, thus, that they should have been given a better use.

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** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seemes to have been tacked in in order to give the leads and Carlota something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting the baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to thin, think, thus, that they should have been given a better use.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Just how much free will Mendieta has after selling his soul to the Devil?]]

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* AntiClimaxBoss:
** In Season 2, [[spoiler:the Butcher and the Hostiles. They return menacingly from the shadows as Mendieta's trump card, only for them to be immediately countered by the Walkway reinforcements (and to add insult, one of those is Pollo, a non-fighter civilian) before they have time to do anything.]]
** In Season 3, again, [[spoiler:the Butcher. His introduction between the rebel agents is genuinely badass, but all his participation in the finale amounts to talking crap in a couple scenes before ''Márquez finishes him with a single shot'', out of cover and without any fight whatsoever put by the baddies.]]



** Awesome as it could be, [[spoiler:the return of the deceased Lola, Pollo and Arturo, who get turned inexplicably into TheCavalry to fight Mendieta's mooks]] comes completely out of nowhere and was not even supposed to be possible in the first place given the Walkway's weird rules about returning.
** The series had made a big deal of the fact that returned people came with no knowledge of their new body's previous life, so they had to struggle to adapt to it. However, in the third season [[spoiler:Laura returns in the Verónica's body and suddely the Walkway can give her all of her experience and skills while retaining her own personality, probably in a lazy effort to make her an AffirmativActionGirl.]]
* BadassDecay: Iago. He started the series a superhuman fighter who served as Márquez's HypercompetentSidekick, but just a few episodes were enough to turn him into a comedic {{Cloudcuckoolander}} who barely knew how to do his own job (and whose fighting skills are ''incredibly'' inconsistent). His increasingly troubled love life also removed points of badassery from him, particularly due to the dogged way he is treated by Susana.

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** Awesome as it could be, [[spoiler:the return of the deceased Lola, Pollo and Arturo, who get turned inexplicably into TheCavalry to fight Mendieta's mooks]] comes completely out of nowhere and was not even supposed to be possible in the first place given the Walkway's weird rules about returning.
returning to life.
** The series had made a big deal of the fact that returned people came with no knowledge of their new body's previous life, so they had to struggle to adapt to it. However, in the third season [[spoiler:Laura returns in the Verónica's body and suddely the Walkway can give her all of her experience and skills while retaining her own personality, probably in a lazy effort to make her an AffirmativActionGirl.]]
** All the deaths and failures in Season 3's finale [[spoiler:becoming undone by RealityWarper way, because Iago's and Susana's son is suddenly revealed to be a GooGooGodlike that somehow knows how to use his powers to save the day. This episode is the literally first time he is hinted to be anything other than a political tool for the human and alien races, it is never explained exactly why the offspring of a human and a Walkwayed human can turn out that way, and all the foreshadowing consists on the Chairwoman uttering an incredibly lame last minute prophecy about him.]]
* BadassDecay: BadassDecay:
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Iago. He started the series a superhuman fighter agent who served as Márquez's HypercompetentSidekick, but just a few episodes were enough to turn him into a comedic {{Cloudcuckoolander}} who barely knew how to do his own job (and whose fighting skills are ''incredibly'' inconsistent). His increasingly troubled love life also removed points of badassery from him, particularly due to the dogged way he is treated by Susana.Susana.
** The Butcher. From a BigBad able to have all the Walkway in their toes to a cheap season finale act [[spoiler:who even gets finished in a minute.]]



** The Butcher, and in especial his tendency to reappear shockingly at the end of every season. While he is appreciated as a great villain, if also an underutilized one, some think the writers are cheapening him by turning him into an "[[WolverinePublicity Instant Climax: Just Insert the Butcher]]" kind of plot device to raise the stacks.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are fan theories that Carlota's character was retooled mid-production, as her first appearances are so jarring for what she is later revealed to be that no amount of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness can explain it. The biggest offender might be her introduction to Iago, as she claims smugly that they actually know each other very well, only that she has "changed her appearance a lot"... which later goes nowhere when she is revealed to be just an unrelated Walkway agent in a cover mission, who doesn't know Iago at all nor ever claims such thing again, and whose "change" amounts explicitly to switching her uniform for street clothes. This, along with scenes where she wears a hood and proclaims her work will be a "butcher's work", has led people to believe that she was originally meant to be a returned Butcher before someone in the higher ups took down the idea.

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** Post-HeelFaceTurn Carlota. Some like her for her goofiness and bits of development, especially next to Iago, while some dislikes her as an AffirmativeActionGirl
** The Butcher, and in especial his tendency to reappear shockingly at the end of every season. While he is appreciated as a great villain, if also an underutilized one, some think the writers are cheapening him by turning him into an "[[WolverinePublicity Instant Climax: Just Insert the Butcher]]" kind of plot device to raise the stacks.
stakes that ultimately goes to nothing.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are fan theories that Carlota's character was retooled mid-production, as her first appearances are so jarring for what she is later revealed to be that no amount of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness or RedHerring can explain it. The biggest offender might be her introduction to Iago, as she claims smugly that they actually know each other very well, only that she has "changed her appearance a lot"... which later goes nowhere when she is revealed to be just an unrelated Walkway agent in a cover mission, who doesn't know Iago at all nor ever claims such thing again, and whose "change" amounts explicitly to switching her uniform for street clothes. This, along with scenes where she wears a hood and proclaims her work will be a "butcher's work", has led people to believe that she was originally meant to be a returned Butcher before someone in the higher ups took down the idea.scriptwriters changed their mind mid-season.



** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as a angelic being without past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.

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** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as a an angelic being without past, while others like it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.



** Season 3 recasting the entire Vargas family by giving Laura, Susana and Bae new bodies after a WhamEpisode, and that's only for starters. There is an agreement that the season has a much more ambitious plot than the previous two, but whether they are pulling it alright or not is a breaking point.
** Is Season 3 being an even bigger improvement than Season 2, with greater drama action and surprisingly good performances by new actors? Or is it a complete mess with a schizophrenical plot that looks written on the fly and whose intriguing value is ultimately incidental?

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** Season 3 recasting the entire Vargas family by giving Laura, Susana and Bae new bodies after a WhamEpisode, and that's only for starters. There is an agreement that the season has a much more ambitious plot than the previous two, but whether they are pulling it alright or not is a breaking point.
starters.
** Is Season 3 being an even bigger improvement than Season 2, with greater drama action and surprisingly good performances by new actors? Or is it a complete mess mess, with a schizophrenical plot that looks written seems to have been heavily [[{{Rewrite}} rewritten]] on the fly at least twice, and whose intriguing value character action is ultimately incidental?



* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him properly about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually as ignorant of Mendieta's plot as the main characters were, if not actually more.

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* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the TheScrappy:
** The
Walkway chairwoman and her staff started to draw drew the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him properly about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway in Season 2 to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually as ignorant of Mendieta's plot as the main characters were, if were (if not actually more.more), and her nonsensical role in Season 3 didn't exactly help things.
** [=DH72=] is considered the series's weakest villain due to how bland and uninteresting she is, especially next to characters like the Butcher and Mendieta. Even her revelation as Season 3's BigBad didn't strike as a particularly shocking moment, precisely because she had always been so unremarkable that many people in the audience actually struggled to remember her.



* SpiritualAdaptation: The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend from his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: SpiritualAdaptation:
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The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend from his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.
** In Season 3, we have a plot where an organization composed by stern guys in nice suits fights for the harmony between human and vaguely supernatural nonhuman races, with the conception of a hybrid between both (son of one of the main characters) threatening it due to the views of some nonhuman extremists who wish to kill it. Among the good guys there was a secret elite agent initially disguised as an unpleasant nutcase, the villains are foiled by the amazing power generated by the hybrid, and it is revealed that the organization always planned for the couple to get together. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Anime/WickedCity''?



** The Butcher was an interesting villain that could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:reappareances in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta and in Season 3 as a random baddie only worsened it.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and comic relief.

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** The Butcher was an interesting villain that could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:reappareances [[spoiler:reappearances in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta and in Season 3 as a random baddie [=DH72=]'s hired gun only worsened it.]]
** The unseen, unexplained "Devil" Mendieta sold his soul to. Season 2 reveals so little about him that it's hard not to think he should have received more time.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and comic relief.relief.
** The Fireflies subplot in Season 3 ultimately has little connection to the main plot, and seemes to have been tacked in in order to give the leads and Carlota something to do while [=DH72=]'s revolt was preparing to explode. Barring an instance where some of them help Carlota by distracting baddies while she guns them down, it could be excised from the season without affecting the finale at all. It's easy to thin, thus, that they should have been given a better use.

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* {{Narm}}:
** The Walkway's technology being a weird steampunk mix complete with antennae, even in their guns. Actually lampshaded by Márquez himself in the series.
** The way the show sometimes treats Iago as Creator/JetLi while other times he is an useless NonActionGuy is almost a meta-RunningGag, and not for the right reasons.
** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic Hollywood nerd girl (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventional opinions, like liking the original ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite. This and the next point below fueled theories that ''Estoy Vivo'' was being tailored specifically to be easily sold to United States's TV channels.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because wives are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). The "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom. In Spain, however, it only makes Laura's rants sound amusingly [[EaglelandOsmosis Americanized.]]
** The Hollywodized hilarity comes to a peak in Season 3 when Márquez and Adrián visit a Madrid slum to find a local drug lord, as a viewer who paid little attention to their lines might accidentally come to believe they are visiting United States. The place's inhabitants, while looking vaguely like Spanish louts, are shown listening to GangstaRap in English; there are at least one random ScaryBlackMan, some biker-looking fellows and a couple Asian men among them; the drug lord resembles a cross between an Italian-American mafioso and a Mexican narco; and it turns out that just every scoundrel in the vicinity is carrying a gun, which would be almost fantastical within the limits of Spain's gun control. One can almost hear Márquez and Adrián calling the federal judge after arresting the guy.

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* {{Narm}}:
** The Walkway's technology being a weird steampunk mix complete with antennae, even in their guns. Actually lampshaded by Márquez himself in the series.
** The way the show sometimes treats Iago as Creator/JetLi while other times he is an useless NonActionGuy is almost a meta-RunningGag, and not
{{Narm}}: Enough for the right reasons.
** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic Hollywood nerd girl (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventional opinions, like liking the original ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite. This and the next point below fueled theories that ''Estoy Vivo'' was being tailored specifically to be easily sold to United States's TV channels.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because wives are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). The "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom. In Spain, however, it only makes Laura's rants sound amusingly [[EaglelandOsmosis Americanized.]]
** The Hollywodized hilarity comes to a peak in Season 3 when Márquez and Adrián visit a Madrid slum to find a local drug lord, as a viewer who paid little attention to their lines might accidentally come to believe they are visiting United States. The place's inhabitants, while looking vaguely like Spanish louts, are shown listening to GangstaRap in English; there are at least one random ScaryBlackMan, some biker-looking fellows and a couple Asian men among them; the drug lord resembles a cross between an Italian-American mafioso and a Mexican narco; and it turns out that just every scoundrel in the vicinity is carrying a gun, which would be almost fantastical within the limits of Spain's gun control. One can almost hear Márquez and Adrián calling the federal judge after arresting the guy.
[[Narm/EstoyVivo its own article]].

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** The Butcher, and in especial his tendency to reappear shockingly at the end of every season. While he is appreciated as a great villain, if also an underutilized one, some think the writers are cheapening him by turning him into an "[[WolverinePublicity Instant Climax: Just Insert the Butcher]]" kind of plot device to raise the stacks.



** Is Season 3 being an even bigger improvement than Season 2, with greater drama action and surprisingly good performances by new actors? Or is it a complete mess with a schizophrenical plot that looks written on the fly and whose intriguing value is ultimately incidental?



** The Butcher was an interesting villain that could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:cameo in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta only worsened it.]]

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** The Butcher was an interesting villain that could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:cameo [[spoiler:reappareances in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta and in Season 3 as a random baddie only worsened it.]]

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** Awesome as it could be, [[spoiler:the return of the deceased Lola, Pollo and Arturo, who get turned inexplicably into TheCavalry to fight Mendieta's mooks]] comes completely out of nowhere and was not even supposed to be possible in the first place given the Walkway's weird rules.

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** Awesome as it could be, [[spoiler:the return of the deceased Lola, Pollo and Arturo, who get turned inexplicably into TheCavalry to fight Mendieta's mooks]] comes completely out of nowhere and was not even supposed to be possible in the first place given the Walkway's weird rules.rules about returning.
** The series had made a big deal of the fact that returned people came with no knowledge of their new body's previous life, so they had to struggle to adapt to it. However, in the third season [[spoiler:Laura returns in the Verónica's body and suddely the Walkway can give her all of her experience and skills while retaining her own personality, probably in a lazy effort to make her an AffirmativActionGirl.]]



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: There are fan theories that Carlota's character was retooled mid-production, as her first appearances are so jarring for what she is later revealed to be that no amount of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness can explain it. The biggest offender might be her introduction to Iago, as she claims smugly that they actually know each other very well, only that she has "changed her appearance a lot"... which later goes nowhere when she is revealed to be just an unrelated Walkway agent in a cover mission, who doesn't know Iago at all nor ever claims such thing again, and whose "change" amounts explicitly to switching her uniform for street clothes. This, along with scenes where she wears a hood and proclaims her work will be a "butcher's work", has led people to believe that she was originally meant to be a returned Butcher before someone in the higher ups took down the idea.



** In line to the point above, the second season downplays supernatural gimmicks like Márquez's immortality and magic gun (the viewer could be forgiven for forgetting totally about them, given that the former is barely demonstrated and the latter is not used at all aside from a callback) and has regular, defeatable men as villains instead of superhuman demons/spirits/whatever (although those [[spoiler:make a cameo at the end]]). As with the rest, some approve it and some do not.

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** In line to the point above, the second season downplays downplaying supernatural gimmicks like Márquez's immortality and magic gun (the viewer could be forgiven for forgetting totally about them, given that the former is barely demonstrated and the latter is not used at all aside from a callback) and has having regular, defeatable men as villains instead of superhuman demons/spirits/whatever (although those [[spoiler:make a cameo at the end]]). As with the rest, some approve it and some do not.not.
** Season 3 recasting the entire Vargas family by giving Laura, Susana and Bae new bodies after a WhamEpisode, and that's only for starters. There is an agreement that the season has a much more ambitious plot than the previous two, but whether they are pulling it alright or not is a breaking point.



** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic Hollywood nerd girl (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalistic opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite. This and the next point below fueled theories that ''Estoy Vivo'' was being tailored specifically to be easily sold to United States's TV channels.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because wives are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). The "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom. In Spain, however, it only makes Laura's rants sound amusingly [[EaglelandOsmosis Americanized.]]



* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff have started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him properly about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually as ignorant of Mendieta's plot as the main characters were, if not actually more.
* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that producers probably had enough of this.

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** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic Hollywood nerd girl (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventional opinions, like liking the original ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite. This and the next point below fueled theories that ''Estoy Vivo'' was being tailored specifically to be easily sold to United States's TV channels.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because wives are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). The "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom. In Spain, however, it only makes Laura's rants sound amusingly [[EaglelandOsmosis Americanized.]]
** The Hollywodized hilarity comes to a peak in Season 3 when Márquez and Adrián visit a Madrid slum to find a local drug lord, as a viewer who paid little attention to their lines might accidentally come to believe they are visiting United States. The place's inhabitants, while looking vaguely like Spanish louts, are shown listening to GangstaRap in English; there are at least one random ScaryBlackMan, some biker-looking fellows and a couple Asian men among them; the drug lord resembles a cross between an Italian-American mafioso and a Mexican narco; and it turns out that just every scoundrel in the vicinity is carrying a gun, which would be almost fantastical within the limits of Spain's gun control. One can almost hear Márquez and Adrián calling the federal judge after arresting the guy.
* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff have started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him properly about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually as ignorant of Mendieta's plot as the main characters were, if not actually more.
* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes in real life, his actor is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) hers) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season, meaning that producers probably had enough of this.



** Iago can be seen as this, especially because EarlyInstallmentWeirdness had him introduced as worldly badass, very competent and helpful yet also smug and skeptical towards humanity, who acted as Márquez's much needed {{Foil}} after his resurrection. Instead, the final version we got of him was a naive, sensitive goofball with inconsistent abilities, constantly a victim of comic relief, who ironically came across as a much flatter character than before despite the development brought by his exploration of human feelings. This also meant that the RedOniBlueOni relationship who was being teased between him and Márquez was set to be never explored in depth, being reshaped more like a BuddyPicture show.

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** Iago can be seen as this, especially because EarlyInstallmentWeirdness had him introduced as worldly badass, very competent and helpful yet also smug and skeptical towards humanity, who acted as Márquez's much needed {{Foil}} after his resurrection. Instead, the final version we got of him was a naive, sensitive goofball with inconsistent abilities, constantly a victim of comic relief, who ironically came across as a much flatter character than before despite the development brought by his exploration of human feelings. This also meant that the RedOniBlueOni relationship who was being teased between him and Márquez was set to be never explored in depth, abandoned, being reshaped more like a BuddyPicture show.

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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Mendieta's last minute change of heart is seen as jarring, especially given how solidly evil and twisted he had been built as through the entire season.]]
* BadassDecay: Iago. He started the series a superhuman fighter who served as Márquez's HypercompetentSidekick, but just a few episodes were enough to turn him into a comedic goofball who barely knew how to do his own job (and whose fighting skills are ''incredibly'' inconsistent). His increasingly troubled love life also removed points of badassery from him, particularly due to the dogged way he is treated by Susana.

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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Mendieta's last AssPull:
** Mendieta's [[spoiler:last
minute change of heart is seen as jarring, incoherent, especially given how solidly evil and twisted he had been built as established to be through the entire season.]]
** Awesome as it could be, [[spoiler:the return of the deceased Lola, Pollo and Arturo, who get turned inexplicably into TheCavalry to fight Mendieta's mooks]] comes completely out of nowhere and was not even supposed to be possible in the first place given the Walkway's weird rules.
* BadassDecay: Iago. He started the series a superhuman fighter who served as Márquez's HypercompetentSidekick, but just a few episodes were enough to turn him into a comedic goofball {{Cloudcuckoolander}} who barely knew how to do his own job (and whose fighting skills are ''incredibly'' inconsistent). His increasingly troubled love life also removed points of badassery from him, particularly due to the dogged way he is treated by Susana.



** Iago. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think that it goes too far and that his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.

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** Iago. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think that it goes too far and that his comedic skits are wasting have wasted him as a character.



** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as a Liaison without past, while others like it, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.
** Season 2 was essentially Iago's show, as many important characters from Season 1 were DemotedToExtra and Márquez himself was pushed to the side almost permanently. Although the season was by no means panned by this, whether this was a good thing or not in relation to its overarching plot is hotly debated.

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** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as a Liaison angelic being without past, while others like it, it because it fleshes him out, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.
** Season 2 was essentially Iago's show, as many important characters from Season 1 were DemotedToExtra and Márquez himself was pushed to the side almost permanently. Although the season was by no means panned by for this, whether this was a good thing or not in relation to its other characters and the series's overarching plot is hotly debated.



* GrowingTheBeard: Despite the mentioned complaints, the second season is considered by many as a step up from the previous, as it drops its rather lame MonsterOfTheWeek format, banishes the goofiest elements in favor of real drama, is DarkerAndEdgier and has an interesting new take on the franchise.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Despite the mentioned complaints, the second season is considered by many as a step up from the previous, as it drops its rather lame MonsterOfTheWeek format, format for a more complex plot, banishes the goofiest elements in favor of real drama, is DarkerAndEdgier and has an interesting new take on the franchise.is DarkerAndEdgier.



** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic American media nerd girl (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalistic opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite.

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** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic American media Hollywood nerd girl (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalistic opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite.trite. This and the next point below fueled theories that ''Estoy Vivo'' was being tailored specifically to be easily sold to United States's TV channels.



* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff have started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually more ignorant of Mendieta's plot than the main characters.
* {{Squick}}: While there's nothing wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can produce some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing, and Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season.

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* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff have started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown that not only they forgot to brief him properly about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually more as ignorant of Mendieta's plot than as the main characters.
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* {{Squick}}: While nobody says there's nothing something wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can produce evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing, and kissing. Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season.season, meaning that producers probably had enough of this.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and goofy comic relief.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Iago can be seen as this, especially because EarlyInstallmentWeirdness had him introduced as worldly badass, very competent and helpful yet also smug and skeptical towards humanity, who acted as Márquez's much needed {{Foil}} after his resurrection. Instead, the final version we got of him was a naive, sensitive goofball with inconsistent abilities, constantly a victim of comic relief, who ironically came across as a much flatter character than before despite the development brought by his exploration of human feelings. This also meant that the RedOniBlueOni relationship who was being teased between him and Márquez was set to be never explored in depth, being reshaped more like a BuddyPicture show.
** The Butcher was an interesting villain that could be ''very'' scary and who clearly had a complex background, particularly after the show dropped clues that it was related to time travel and other dimensions. However, most of his appearances through Season 1 had him reduced to just behave ominously and do generic evil things while other baddies took most of the action, and his background was made such a mess of in the final episode that we never knew exactly what happened to his world and what motivated him. His posterior [[spoiler:cameo in Season 2 as merely an EliteMook to Mendieta only worsened it.]]
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and goofy comic relief.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Iago. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think that it goes too far and that his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[spoiler:Just how much free will Mendieta has after selling his soul to the Devil?]]
* AssPull: [[spoiler:Mendieta's last minute change of heart is seen as jarring, especially given how solidly evil and twisted he had been built as through the entire season.]]
* BadassDecay: Iago. He started the series a superhuman fighter who served as Márquez's HypercompetentSidekick, but just a few episodes were enough to turn him into a comedic goofball who barely knew how to do his own job (and whose fighting skills are ''incredibly'' inconsistent). His increasingly troubled love life also removed points of badassery from him, particularly due to the dogged way he is treated by Susana.
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Iago. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think that it goes too far and that his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.character.
** Susana. Is she a good example of a newcomer with personality, or is she an extreme jerkass who suffers too little for what she deserves? The latter camp increased its numbers with the second season, to the point some were calling {{Flanderization}}.
* BrokenBase:
** The revelation of Iago being actually [[spoiler:a deceased doctor named Santiago Figueroa]]. Some preferred his previous characterization as a Liaison without past, while others like it, and a third part sees it as interesting but believe it could have been played better.
** Season 2 was essentially Iago's show, as many important characters from Season 1 were DemotedToExtra and Márquez himself was pushed to the side almost permanently. Although the season was by no means panned by this, whether this was a good thing or not in relation to its overarching plot is hotly debated.
** In line to the point above, the second season downplays supernatural gimmicks like Márquez's immortality and magic gun (the viewer could be forgiven for forgetting totally about them, given that the former is barely demonstrated and the latter is not used at all aside from a callback) and has regular, defeatable men as villains instead of superhuman demons/spirits/whatever (although those [[spoiler:make a cameo at the end]]). As with the rest, some approve it and some do not.
* GrowingTheBeard: Despite the mentioned complaints, the second season is considered by many as a step up from the previous, as it drops its rather lame MonsterOfTheWeek format, banishes the goofiest elements in favor of real drama, is DarkerAndEdgier and has an interesting new take on the franchise.



* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff have started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown at this season that not only they forgot to brief him about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them despite knowing the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions.
* {{Squick}}: While there's nothing wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can produce some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing.

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** The way the show sometimes treats Iago as Creator/JetLi while other times he is an useless NonActionGuy is almost a meta-RunningGag, and not for the right reasons.
* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff have started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown at this season that not only they forgot to brief him about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them despite knowing without reminding him the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions.
missions. Her help at Season 2 finale did not exactly fix things, as it proved that, for all her VaguenessIsComing quotes, she was actually more ignorant of Mendieta's plot than the main characters.
* {{Squick}}: While there's nothing wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least twice her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can produce some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are were always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing.kissing, and Jon himself was PutOnABus in the next season.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend from his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.


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* SpiritualAdaptation: The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend from his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Liaison. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think that it goes too far and that his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: A lot of effort is put in outlining that there's no romantic love among the Walkway, thus explaining the Liaison's initial skepticism towards love and his later troubles with his newfound attraction to Susana. However, in a later episode of the very first season, he's shown flirting with a female Walkway coworker he seems to have a past thing with, and she clearly likes him back enough to commit an infraction in a procedure for him. This not only clashes with the claim Susana is his first relationship with a woman, it also destroys the explicit assumption that Walkway dwellers are alien to those things. Such oddity is never explained and the scene is never brought up again.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Liaison. Iago. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think that it goes too far and that his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: A lot of effort is put in outlining that there's no romantic love among the Walkway, thus explaining the Liaison's initial skepticism towards love and his later troubles with his newfound attraction to Susana. However, in a later episode of the very first season, he's shown flirting with a female Walkway coworker he seems to have a past thing with, and she clearly likes him back enough to commit an infraction in a procedure for him. This not only clashes with the claim Susana is his first relationship with a woman, it also destroys the explicit assumption that Walkway dwellers are alien to those things. Such oddity is never explained and the scene is never brought up again.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The series goes about a gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend from his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. By this point, it's out of the question that the scriptwriters of ''Estoy Vivo'' weren't familiar with ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''.
* TheScrappy: Since the beginning of Season 2, the Walkway chairwoman and her staff have started to draw the audience's ire due to their perceived ill treatment of Vargas. It's shown at this season that not only they forgot to brief him about the past life of his new body, but also allowed him to enter the Walkway to complain pointlessly to them despite knowing the time lapse would vanish him from Earth for a year and it would cause serious problems to his new life there, all with a cheerful smile and some generic mumbo jumbo about fate and missions.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and goofy comic relief.
* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend of his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them under awkward character drama and goofy comic relief.
* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people. He wields a supernatural pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend of his previous life, and one of the villains wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?
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** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic United States nerd media (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalistic opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because marrying women are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). Intuitively, the "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom. In Spain, it only makes Laura's rants sound amusingly [[EaglelandOsmosis Americanized.]]

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** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic United States nerd American media nerd girl (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalistic opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because marrying women wives are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). Intuitively, the The "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom. In Spain, however, it only makes Laura's rants sound amusingly [[EaglelandOsmosis Americanized.]]



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them in awkward character drama and goofy comic relief.
* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people, wielding a supernatural pistol weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of the main villains even explicitly wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them in under awkward character drama and goofy comic relief.
* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons, some of which possess people, wielding people. He wields a supernatural pistol pistol-shaped weapon that shoots a blue laser, and being is personally accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. One of his allies is a grumpy friend of his previous life, and one of the main villains even explicitly wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?
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** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because marrying women are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). Intuitively, the "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom; in Spain, it only makes Laura's rants sound [[EaglelandOsmosis amusingly Americanized.]]
** The Walkway's technology being a weird steampunk mix complete with antennae, even in their guns. Actually ampshaded by Márquez himself in the series.

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** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's point is particularly egregious because marrying women are not required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name to the detriment of the other). Intuitively, the "a [surname]" expression is characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom; in Kingdom. In Spain, it only makes Laura's rants sound amusingly [[EaglelandOsmosis amusingly Americanized.]]
** The Walkway's technology being a weird steampunk mix complete with antennae, even in their guns. Actually ampshaded lampshaded by Márquez himself in the series.



* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural pistol weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family and friends life. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?

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* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured male main character is killed while trying to do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who demons, some of which possess people, wielding a supernatural pistol weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family and friends life.life. One of the main villains even explicitly wants to open a tunnel to the demon world. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: A lot of effort is put in outlining that there's no romantic love among the Walkway, thus explaining the Liaison's initial skepticism towards love and his later troubles with his newfound attraction to Susana. However, in a later episode of the very first season, he's shown flirting with a female Walkway coworker he seems to have a past thing with, and she clearly likes him back enough to commit an infraction in a procedure for him. This not only clashes with the claim Susana is his first relationship with a woman, it also destroys the explicit assumption that Walkway dwellers are alien to those things. Such oddity is never explained and the scene is never brought up again.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Liaison. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think it goes too far and that it his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Liaison. Some like the emphasis done on him as a constant source of comedy, while others think that it goes too far and that it his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.



** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic United States nerd media (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalist opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. Even although Spanish culture has been found to be more [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism collectivist]] than North American or other European peoples, a Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity would be extremely unusual, if not limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's case is particularly egregious because marrying women are not even required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name over the other). Instead, the "a [surname]" expression is intuitively common to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom, which makes Laura's schtick sound [[EaglelandOsmosis amusingly Americanized and out of place.]]
* {{Squick}}: While there's nothing wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least ''twice'' her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order to show the actors aren't actually kissing.

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** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic United States nerd media (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalist conventionalistic opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. Even although Spanish culture has been found to be more [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism collectivist]] than North American or other European peoples, a A Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity would be is extremely unusual, if not completely limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's case point is particularly egregious because marrying women are not even required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would have to be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name over to the detriment of the other). Instead, Intuitively, the "a [surname]" expression is intuitively common characteristic to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom, which Kingdom; in Spain, it only makes Laura's schtick rants sound [[EaglelandOsmosis amusingly Americanized and out of place.Americanized.]]
** The Walkway's technology being a weird steampunk mix complete with antennae, even in their guns. Actually ampshaded by Márquez himself in the series.
* {{Squick}}: While there's nothing wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least ''twice'' twice her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can evoke produce some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order not to show the actors aren't actually kissing.



* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to save lives, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural gun weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family and friends life. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?

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* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to save lives, do good, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural gun pistol weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family and friends life. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?
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** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. Even although Spanish culture has been found to be more [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism collectivist]] than North Americans or other European peoples, a Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity would be extremely unusual, if not limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's case is particularly egregious because marrying women are not even required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name over the other). In turn, the "a [surname]" expression is intuitively common to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom, which makes her phrasing sound [[WeAllLiveInAmerica horribly misplaced.]]

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** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. Even although Spanish culture has been found to be more [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism collectivist]] than North Americans American or other European peoples, a Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity would be extremely unusual, if not limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's case is particularly egregious because marrying women are not even required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name over the other). In turn, Instead, the "a [surname]" expression is intuitively common to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom, which makes her phrasing Laura's schtick sound [[WeAllLiveInAmerica horribly misplaced.[[EaglelandOsmosis amusingly Americanized and out of place.]]
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* {{Narm}}:
** Bea's character and environment are so similar to the classic United States nerd media (she is a NASA-level genius at her age, has access to a shocking amount of tech, is part of a ThreeAmigos with a black TokenMinority and a loser archetype, is tormented by an AlphaBitch, and has very conventionalist opinions, like liking ''Franchise/StarWars'' but disliking the Prequel Trilogy) that is hard not to find her at least somewhat trite.
** Laura and her constant motherly rants about what means to be a Vargas. Even although Spanish culture has been found to be more [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism collectivist]] than North Americans or other European peoples, a Spaniard referring to himself as "a [surname]" in order to define his identity would be extremely unusual, if not limited to the aristocratic/upper class where blood relations and family business are of utmost importance. Laura's case is particularly egregious because marrying women are not even required to [[TheMaidenNameDebate change her surname]] in Spain, and thus neither she nor her daughters are technically Vargas (Bea and Susana are Vargas Beltrán, as children inherit both of their parent's first surnames, so it would be a deliberate choice for them to favor a parent's family name over the other). In turn, the "a [surname]" expression is intuitively common to countries in which marrying surname changes are enforced, like United States or United Kingdom, which makes her phrasing sound [[WeAllLiveInAmerica horribly misplaced.]]
* {{Squick}}: While there's nothing wrong in the interracial relationship between Bea and Jon, the fact that he looks at least ''twice'' her age (and not without reason, as Iván Mendes is actually much older than Lucía Caraballo) can evoke some grimaces in the audience every time they are shown making out. Tellingly, said scenes are always shot from the back in order to show the actors aren't actually kissing.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The most common complaint in the series so far is that the show uses many interesting ideas only to bury them in awkward character drama and goofy comic relief.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Liaison, or more specifically the emphasis done by the series in him as a source of comedy. Some like him, while others think it goes too far.
* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to save lives, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural gun weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family and friends life. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Liaison, or more specifically Liaison. Some like the emphasis done by the series in on him as a constant source of comedy. Some like him, comedy, while others think it goes too far.
far and that it his comedic skits are wasting him as a character.
* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to save lives, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural gun weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly and cute afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family and friends life. ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?
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* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to save lives, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural gun weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. Are we talking about ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?

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* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to save lives, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural gun weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family and friends life. Are we talking about ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: The Liaison, or more specifically the emphasis done by the series in him as a source of comedy. Some like him, while others think it goes too far.
* WholePlotReference: A gruff but good-natured main character is killed trying to save lives, meets a burocracy-like afterlife where he is informed his death was not meant to happen, and is sent back as a special detective in order to kill demons who possess people, wielding a supernatural gun weapon and being accompanied by a bubbly afterlife officer who often intrudes in his troubled family life. Are we talking about ''Estoy Vivo'' or ''Manga/YuYuHakusho''?

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