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* DudeNotFunny: An InUniverse example. I'm the film, when Jimmy drops his pants on national television, he expects others to find it funny. The others then criticize him for making a fool out of himself instead.
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** And Deena has been Beyoncé's dream role for ''years''. She even brought her own outfit and wig to the audition.
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** Similarly, whenever The Dreamettes/The Dreams/Deena Jones and the Dreams sing "Family", a member of the so-called family is shortly pushed out or otherwise shafted in some way.
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* {{Narm}}: The scene with the reprised version of "Cadillac Car" has been known to made several audiences laugh rather than share the sense of annoyance/outrage that Curtis and company felt.
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* AwardSnub: Most people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy. The release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season caused him to lose it.
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* AwardSnub: Most people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy. The Jimmy, and additionally blame the release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season caused for making him to lose it.
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* HeReallyCanAct: See AwardSnub
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* IAmNotShazam: Despite the title of the film and the song, they are called the Dreamettes, the Dreams, and then Deena Jones and the Dreams.
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* IAmNotShazam: Despite the title MisaimedFandom: A few fans see Lorrell as "the only Dream without flaws" because of the film and the song, they are called the Dreamettes, the Dreams, and then how Deena Jones was a pushover and the Dreams.Effie was a bitch, but they forget that Lorrell was a mistress to Jimmy, and was willing to stay in a relationship with a married man for a few years.
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* DudeNotFunny: An InUniverse example. I'm the film, when Jimmy drops his pants on national television, he expects others to find it funny. The others then criticize him for making a fool out of himself instead.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The entirety of "Love You I Do." The whole song is about how Effie trusts Curtis completely to do right by her and how they'll go far in the world together. [[MoralEventHorizon Well Effie, the thing with that is...]]
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* AwardSnub: Most people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy. Film/{{Norbit}} caused him to lose it.
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* AwardSnub: Most people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy. Film/{{Norbit}} The release of ''Film/{{Norbit}}'' during award season caused him to lose it.
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* MemeticMutation: For a time, "And I'm Telling You Im Not Going" was better remembered for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj_L2ZKVaEw a scene from]] "The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air," in which Will does a [[ChewingTheScenery hysterically over-the-top]] lip-sync of the song to Uncle Phil. Jennifer Hudson would later reveal that [[HilariousInHindsight this is where she first heard the song]].
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: There's a scene where the Dreams are recording "Heavy", the shots before we actually see them recording is clearly of the Detroit "12th street" riot of 1967. There's even a small recreation of the event before we see them performing a rehearsal of Heavy at the television studio. The following scene, there's a brief shot of the marquee that states that the year is 1966, making the riot irrelevant to the plot (except to display the CivilRightsMovement that was appropriate for the era).
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* TearJerker: In the film [[spoiler:Lorrell learning of Jimmy's death. Even though he was a self-destructive jerk she's so heartbroken over his death that it's impossible not to share her pain.]]
* TheWoobie: Effie and Deena
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* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.
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* AlternativeCharacterIterpretation: Did Curtis ever really care about either Effie or Deena, or did he just use them the way he used everyone else? [[spoiler:If he had known that Effie was pregnant with his child, would he have still kicked her to the curb, or would he have tried to work out a situation that would work for all of them?]]
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* AlternativeCharacterIterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Did Curtis ever really care about either Effie or Deena, or did he just use them the way he used everyone else? [[spoiler:If he had known that Effie was pregnant with his child, would he have still kicked her to the curb, or would he have tried to work out a situation that would work for all of them?]]
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* AlternativeCharacterIterpretation: Did Curtis ever really care about either Effie or Deena, or did he just use them the way he used everyone else? [[spoiler:If he had known that Effie was pregnant with his child, would he have still kicked her to the curb, or would he have tried to work out a situation that would work for all of them?]]
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*** Which was an expy of Magnolia, that Diana Ross starred in.
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*** Which was an expy of Magnolia, that Diana Ross starred in.
* TearJerker: In the film [[spoiler:Lorrell learning of Jimmy's death. Even though he was a self-destructive jerk she's so heartbroken over his death that it's impossible not to share her pain.]]
* TearJerker: In the film [[spoiler:Lorrell learning of Jimmy's death. Even though he was a self-destructive jerk she's so heartbroken over his death that it's impossible not to share her pain.]]
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* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.
* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.lot.
* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.lot.
* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.
* UnusuallyUninterestingSight: Try having the girls sit in the studio, recording a song for hours, while a riot is taking place just outside the studio. You can literally hear helicopters and sirens during Deena/Curtis/Effie's dialogue. Of course, early on there's a television in the control booth televising the riot, but Curtis literally pays it no mind. Instead, he looks onwards with his cigarette in hand.
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory: There's a scene where the Dreams are recording "Heavy", the shots before we actually see them recording is clearly of the Detroit "12th street" riot of 1967. There's even a small recreation of the event before we see them performing a rehearsal of Heavy at the television studio. The following scene, there's a brief shot of the marquee that states that the year is 1966, making the riot irrelevant to the plot (except to display the CivilRightsMovement that was appropriate for the era).
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*** Which was an expy of Magnolia, that Diana Ross starred in.
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* WhatDoesSheSeeInHim: Not stated in the show, but honestly, Curtis becomes [[AmbitionIsEvil overly ambitious]], and after Effie falls in love with him he jilts her in favor of her friend Deena, while also cultivating her into a marketable product. And after all this Effie still states "You're the best man I'll ever know" and swears up and down that they're perfect for each other.
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I don\'t think it deserved one, but it still seemed worth noting.
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* AwardSnub: Most people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy.
** Film/{{Norbit}} caused him to lose it.
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* AwardSnub: Most people felt Eddie Murphy should have won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance as Jimmy.
**Jimmy. Film/{{Norbit}} caused him to lose it.it.
** The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination.
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** The movie earned eight Oscar nominations, more than any other movie of its year, yet got denied a Best Picture nomination.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in DestinysChild) Beyonce plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and EddieMurphy took it over.
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the movie, (and also in DestinysChild) Music/DestinysChild) Beyonce plays the SpotlightStealingSquad. However after the movie came out Jennifer Hudson and EddieMurphy took it over.
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** {{Norbit}} Film/{{Norbit}} caused him to lose it.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a JerkAss [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a JerkAss {{jerkass}} [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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* {{Woobie}}: TheWoobie: Effie and Deena
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* {{Woobie}}: Effie and Deena.Deena
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** JerkassWoobie: Effie, not a JerkAss [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold per se]] still counts. Although she was selfish, rude, and self-absorbed at first, she loses her spot and her boyfriend, who she really wanted to stay with while she was pregnant with his baby. It's not that hard to feel sorry for her. Plus, seeing him getting married to Deena must have hurt her a lot.
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** [[{{Norbit}} I can't think why he didn't.]]
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** In-universe, the last straw for Deena was when Curtis pulled the plug on the gritty film project she wanted to undertake, forcing her into his Cleopatra movie that she was never interested in.
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* {{Woobie}}: Effie, Effie and {{YMMV}}, but Deena as well.Deena.