History YMMV / DragonBallMultiverse

24th May '18 10:17:55 PM MereRat
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*** [[spoiler:After the last two examples, Bra suddenly has the ability to create after images. Okay, a perfectly common technique. Wait, they're solid and break when hit? That's unusual and doesn't make a lot of sense, but whatever. Not a big deal. Wait, those shattered after-images somehow turn into solid blobs that weigh down the person that hit them... somehow. They try to justify this by saying that it was based of off Gotenks' attack, but that falls flat considering the fact that Vegito has stated in Canon that Gotenks' attacks are heavily impractical, as well as Bra hating Gotenks, making it even less likely she’d try to use his abilities as influence. Plus there’s the question of why she didn’t just use this against Cold in the first place]]

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*** [[spoiler:After the last two examples, Bra suddenly has the ability to create after images. Okay, a perfectly common technique. Wait, they're solid and break when hit? That's unusual and doesn't make a lot of sense, but whatever. Not a big deal. Wait, those shattered after-images somehow turn into solid blobs that weigh down the person that hit them... somehow. They try to justify this by saying that it was based of off Gotenks' attack, but that falls flat considering the fact that Vegito has stated in Canon canon that Gotenks' attacks are heavily impractical, as well as Bra hating Gotenks, making it even less likely she’d try to use his abilities as influence. Plus there’s the question of why she didn’t just use this against Cold in the first place]]



** In ''Multiverse'', Goku's mom is a hardcore Saiyan warrior who was the strongest Saiyan alive. Goku's canon mother is the exact opposite, being a weak, soft-hearted person who wasn't cut off for battle. And then, ''Super'' introduced Caulifla, a female Saiyan from Universe 6 who actually looks and acts more like the ''Multiverse'' version of Goku's mom and even fulfills the criteria of being one of the strongest Saiyans from her universe.

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** In ''Multiverse'', Goku's mom is a hardcore Saiyan warrior who was the strongest Saiyan alive. Goku's canon canonical mother is the exact opposite, being a weak, soft-hearted person who wasn't cut off for battle. And then, ''Super'' introduced Caulifla, a female Saiyan from Universe 6 who actually looks and acts more like the ''Multiverse'' version of Goku's mom and even fulfills the criteria of being one of the strongest Saiyans from her universe.



** ''Dragon Ball Super'' reveals that [[spoiler:non-Supreme Kais can only stay fused for one hour if they wear the Potara Earrings]]. This casts the whole of Universe 16 into a much funnier light. For one, the Kais considering Universe 16 Vegito's existence "blasphemy" makes even more sense when this plot twist means [[spoiler:he shouldn't have existed long enough to father Bra into her late teens]]. There's also the matter of Universe 16 Bra, as her specific characterization and life only differ from canon Bra's because of Vegito being her father. It also makes the Kais sound even more like Zamasu since they actually said that mortals fusing is a sin, and the mortals should stop trying to copy the gods. One seriously wonders how Salagir would have chosen to make Universe 16 different from the canon universe if the [[spoiler:one hour time limit]] had existed before ''Multiverse'' began.

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** ''Dragon Ball Super'' reveals that [[spoiler:non-Supreme Kais can only stay fused for one hour if they wear the Potara Earrings]]. This casts the whole of Universe 16 into a much funnier light. For one, the Kais considering Universe 16 Vegito's existence "blasphemy" makes even more sense when this plot twist means [[spoiler:he shouldn't have existed long enough to father Bra into her late teens]]. There's also the matter of Universe 16 Bra, as her specific characterization and life only differ from canon the canonical Bra's because of Vegito being her father. It also makes the Kais sound even more like Zamasu since they actually said that mortals fusing is a sin, and the mortals should stop trying to copy the gods. One seriously wonders how Salagir would have chosen to make Universe 16 different from the canon canonical universe if the [[spoiler:one hour time limit]] had existed before ''Multiverse'' began.



** [[spoiler:Babidi can now assume this title as well with his coup now in full swing. He first began Majinizing evil people from both the contestants and the audience, taking care to hide the mark that they bear after being subverted. Then, once he had every evil person he can get under his thrall, he teleported all the contestants he couldn't control to a planet billions of parsecs away from the arena with a toxic atmosphere, eliminating potential enemies (for the moment, anyway). Majin Frieza destroyed the tower that allows the Vargas to send people back to their own universes, likely on his orders, so there's no help coming from there. And he's now trying to use Bardock's visions of the future to further aid his goals. Needless to say, Babidi is putting his canon self to shame.]]

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** [[spoiler:Babidi can now assume this title as well with his coup now in full swing. He first began Majinizing evil people from both the contestants and the audience, taking care to hide the mark that they bear after being subverted. Then, once he had every evil person he can get under his thrall, he teleported all the contestants he couldn't control to a planet billions of parsecs away from the arena with a toxic atmosphere, eliminating potential enemies (for the moment, anyway). Majin Frieza destroyed the tower that allows the Vargas to send people back to their own universes, likely on his orders, so there's no help coming from there. And he's now trying to use Bardock's visions of the future to further aid his goals. Needless to say, Babidi is putting his canon canonical self to shame.]]



** If you ask any fan of the comic, most of them will say a lot of characters are being wasted. Uub probably qualifies. Like his ''GT'' counterpart, his role in the overall plot has been small. Another small, but vocal part of fandom don't like that Goten and Trunks of universes 16 and 18 are just as childish as they were as kids and feel Salagir wasted two promising characters by reducing them to joke characters who are even shallower than their canon counterparts. The girls from U6 have been getting complaints. Fans feel they are unnecessary since their backstory hasn't been explored yet nor have their characters made any impact on the tournament besides being fodder for stronger characters. Many felt U6 special should have told the girls story instead of showing Bojack and his gang kill the Z-fighters.
** Many think the main universe, U18, in general fell into this since they get little spotlight despite them supposedly being the 'canon' universe. Goku and Vegeta only seemed to get lines when it's related to [[SpotlightStealingSquad U16]], especially [[CreatorsPet Bra]], U13, or [[CreatorsPet Broly]]. Piccolo has little to no presence, Gohan is so laughably similar to his U16's counterpart that the web comic even made a joke about it, and Pan is knocked out early by U13 Kakarotto. It doesn't help that all of Goku's matches have the RunningGag of being a SingleStrokeBattle.

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** If you ask any fan of the comic, most of them will say a lot of characters are being wasted. Uub probably qualifies. Like his ''GT'' counterpart, his role in the overall plot has been small. Another small, but vocal part of fandom don't like that Goten and Trunks of universes 16 and 18 are just as childish as they were as kids and feel Salagir wasted two promising characters by reducing them to joke characters who are even shallower than their canon canonical counterparts. The girls from U6 have been getting complaints. Fans feel they are unnecessary since their backstory hasn't been explored yet nor have their characters made any impact on the tournament besides being fodder for stronger characters. Many felt U6 special should have told the girls story instead of showing Bojack and his gang kill the Z-fighters.
** Many think the main universe, U18, in general fell into this since they get little spotlight despite them supposedly being the 'canon' 'canonical' universe. Goku and Vegeta only seemed to get lines when it's related to [[SpotlightStealingSquad U16]], especially [[CreatorsPet Bra]], U13, or [[CreatorsPet Broly]]. Piccolo has little to no presence, Gohan is so laughably similar to his U16's counterpart that the web comic even made a joke about it, and Pan is knocked out early by U13 Kakarotto. It doesn't help that all of Goku's matches have the RunningGag of being a SingleStrokeBattle.



** Raichi was considered to be a massive improvement over his canon counterpart, being a fleshed-out and sympathetic AntiHero instead of being a cliched mad scientist and his fight with Gast was hoped to be not only exciting, but also heartfelt as it was a duel between two opposing ideals: revenge (Raichi) and peace (Gast). Instead, Raichi gets killed off unceremoniously and his trump card (Hatchiyack) lasted only for a few pages before being destroyed with one shot by Gast. Worst of all, apparently Raichi was a ghost as well, and so it's likely he's been permanently killed. What was the point of improving his character so much just to have him get killed off without any closure?

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** Raichi was considered to be a massive improvement over his canon canonical counterpart, being a fleshed-out and sympathetic AntiHero instead of being a cliched mad scientist and his fight with Gast was hoped to be not only exciting, but also heartfelt as it was a duel between two opposing ideals: revenge (Raichi) and peace (Gast). Instead, Raichi gets killed off unceremoniously and his trump card (Hatchiyack) lasted only for a few pages before being destroyed with one shot by Gast. Worst of all, apparently Raichi was a ghost as well, and so it's likely he's been permanently killed. What was the point of improving his character so much just to have him get killed off without any closure?



** Fans love the concept of multiverse with various universes, different from the main DB universe, but some feel its being wasted for a tournament. Many fans feel the specials as a whole are wasted because most of them retell how canon events went except with the villains winning instead of exploring the repercussions of the villains' victories. The U6 special got a lot of complaints because it showed Bojack and his minions killing all the Z-fighters and never even showed the girls in U6 at all.

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** Fans love the concept of multiverse with various universes, different from the main DB universe, but some feel its being wasted for a tournament. Many fans feel the specials as a whole are wasted because most of them retell how canon canonical events went except with the villains winning instead of exploring the repercussions of the villains' victories. The U6 special got a lot of complaints because it showed Bojack and his minions killing all the Z-fighters and never even showed the girls in U6 at all.
22nd May '18 12:42:25 PM KaisertheGreat
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** [[spoiler:Babidi can now assume this title as well with his coup now in full swing. He first began Magjinizing evil people from both the contestants and the audience, taking care to hide the mark that they bear after being subverted. Then, once he had every evil person he can get under his thrall, he teleported all the contestants he couldn't control to a planet billions of parsecs away from the arena with a toxic atmosphere, eliminating potential enemies (for the moment, anyway). A Majin Frieza destroyed the tower that allows the Vargas to send people back to their own universes, likely on his orders, so there's no help coming from there. And he's now trying to use Bardock's visions of the future to further aid his goals. Needless to say, Babidi is putting his canon self to shame.]]

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** [[spoiler:Babidi can now assume this title as well with his coup now in full swing. He first began Magjinizing Majinizing evil people from both the contestants and the audience, taking care to hide the mark that they bear after being subverted. Then, once he had every evil person he can get under his thrall, he teleported all the contestants he couldn't control to a planet billions of parsecs away from the arena with a toxic atmosphere, eliminating potential enemies (for the moment, anyway). A Majin Frieza destroyed the tower that allows the Vargas to send people back to their own universes, likely on his orders, so there's no help coming from there. And he's now trying to use Bardock's visions of the future to further aid his goals. Needless to say, Babidi is putting his canon self to shame.]]
15th May '18 12:25:57 AM Snowy66
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** Raichi was considered to be a massive improvement over his canon counterpart, being a fleshed-out and sympathetic AntiHero instead of being a cliche mad scientist and his fight with Gast was hoped to be not only exciting, but also heartfelt as it was a duel between two opposing ideals: revenge (Raichi) and peace (Gast). Instead, Raichi gets killed off unceremoniously and his trump card (Hatchiyack) lasted only for a few pages before being destroyed with one shot by Gast. Worst of all, apparently Raichi was a ghost as well, and so it's likely he's been permanently killed. What was the point of improving his character so much just to have him get killed off without any closure?

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** Raichi was considered to be a massive improvement over his canon counterpart, being a fleshed-out and sympathetic AntiHero instead of being a cliche cliched mad scientist and his fight with Gast was hoped to be not only exciting, but also heartfelt as it was a duel between two opposing ideals: revenge (Raichi) and peace (Gast). Instead, Raichi gets killed off unceremoniously and his trump card (Hatchiyack) lasted only for a few pages before being destroyed with one shot by Gast. Worst of all, apparently Raichi was a ghost as well, and so it's likely he's been permanently killed. What was the point of improving his character so much just to have him get killed off without any closure?



** The U17 Special was disliked for similar reasons. What, Cell killed the Z fighters in his universe? Naw, ya think? Plenty of fans were wondering why they didn't show, say, how Cell dealt with Babidi.

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** The U17 Special was disliked for similar reasons. What, Cell killed the Z fighters Z-fighters in his universe? Naw, ya think? Plenty of fans were wondering why they didn't show, say, how Cell dealt with Babidi.
14th May '18 11:59:19 PM darksoul4242
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** Raichi was considered to be a massive improvement over his canon counterpart, being a flesh-out and sympathetic AntiHero instead of being a cliche mad scientist and his fight with Gast was hoped to be not only exciting, but also heartfelt as it was a duel between two opposing ideals: revenge (Raichi) and peace (Gast). Instead, Raichi gets killed off unceremoniously and his trump card (Hatchiyack) lasted only for a few pages before being destroyed with one shot by Gast. Worst of all, apparently Raichi was a ghost as well, and so it's likely he's been permanently killed. What was the point of improving his character so much just to have him get killed off without any closure?

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** Raichi was considered to be a massive improvement over his canon counterpart, being a flesh-out fleshed-out and sympathetic AntiHero instead of being a cliche mad scientist and his fight with Gast was hoped to be not only exciting, but also heartfelt as it was a duel between two opposing ideals: revenge (Raichi) and peace (Gast). Instead, Raichi gets killed off unceremoniously and his trump card (Hatchiyack) lasted only for a few pages before being destroyed with one shot by Gast. Worst of all, apparently Raichi was a ghost as well, and so it's likely he's been permanently killed. What was the point of improving his character so much just to have him get killed off without any closure?
14th May '18 11:57:40 PM darksoul4242
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*** [[spoiler:After the last two examples, Bra suddenly has the ability to create after images. Okay, a perfectly common technique. Wait, they're solid and break when hit? That's unusual and doesn't make a lot of sense, but whatever. Not a big deal. Wait, those shattered after-images somehow turn into solid blobs that weigh down the person that hit them... somehow. They try to justify this by saying that it was based of off Gotenk’s attack, but that falls flat considering the fact that Vegito has stated in Canon that Gotenks’s attacks are heavily impractical, as well as Bra hating Gotenks, making it even less likely she’d try to use his abilities as influence. Plus there’s the question of why she didn’t just use this against Cold in the first place]]

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*** [[spoiler:After the last two examples, Bra suddenly has the ability to create after images. Okay, a perfectly common technique. Wait, they're solid and break when hit? That's unusual and doesn't make a lot of sense, but whatever. Not a big deal. Wait, those shattered after-images somehow turn into solid blobs that weigh down the person that hit them... somehow. They try to justify this by saying that it was based of off Gotenk’s Gotenks' attack, but that falls flat considering the fact that Vegito has stated in Canon that Gotenks’s Gotenks' attacks are heavily impractical, as well as Bra hating Gotenks, making it even less likely she’d try to use his abilities as influence. Plus there’s the question of why she didn’t just use this against Cold in the first place]]place]]
**** [[spoiler: To be fair, there is an attempt at justifying this with Vegetto pointing out at least him and Bra are able to do this, following Gotenks' lead, and thus they probably have worked out the kinks out of Gotenks' techniques. Besides, it has been a very long time since the Buu saga, and U4!Buu further reasons that Bra and Vegetto didn't use these new techniques right off the bat to get some old fashioned fun, AND to avoid revealing their newer techniques.]]
14th May '18 11:53:14 PM darksoul4242
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** Future Gohan's victory in the "Mirai" special is only made possible by a series of complete and utter asspulls. [[spoiler: First, Gohan somehow manages to avoid being killed by Dabura by showing far superior speed and ref? lexes to characters that are canonically way faster than him, including Buu Saga Piccolo and the main timeline Gohan. Oh, and he also somehow survives a punch from Dabura, when it's repeatedly shown that if a fighter that strong even light taps someone that weak, they can make said someone EXPLODE. Then he gets teleported onto another planet with Yakon, a monster who can easily kill him via energy drain. Coincidentally, just Yakon is about to drain Gohan, Yakon's sister, a new character who was never even implied to exist in the source material, shows up and starts screwing around, keeping Yakon distracted long enough for Gohan to to start blasting holes in the ground and making vague threats at Babidi. Then, for no reason at all, Babidi transports Gohan back to Earth rather than leave him to rot in nowhere space. Oh, and he doesn't bring Yakon back for some reason. However, Dabura's still there, so Gohan still has no chance, right? Well no, because then the crowning moment of ass-pullery occurs: Babidi drains Dabura of the vast majority of his power right before telling him to face Gohan. We're talking a huge drain, over 95% of the guy's power. Why? Because he almost killed Gohan, keeping Babidi from getting energy. For some reason it never occurs to Babidi to "punish" his mind controlled slave AFTER Gohan is dealt with. Or just to take less energy. Finally, due to this awfully convenient turn of events, Future Gohan is able to beat a guy dozens of times stronger than him and save the day.]]

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** Future Gohan's victory in the "Mirai" special is only made possible by a series of complete and utter asspulls. [[spoiler: First, Gohan somehow manages to avoid being killed by Dabura by showing far superior speed and ref? lexes reflexes to characters that are canonically way faster than him, including Buu Saga Piccolo and the main timeline Gohan. Oh, and he also somehow survives a punch from Dabura, when it's repeatedly shown that if a fighter that strong even light lightly taps someone that weak, they can make said someone EXPLODE. Then he gets teleported onto another planet with Yakon, a monster who can easily kill him via energy drain. Coincidentally, just Yakon is about to drain Gohan, Yakon's sister, a new character who was never even implied to exist in the source material, shows up and starts screwing around, keeping Yakon distracted long enough for Gohan to to start blasting holes in the ground and making vague threats at Babidi. Then, for no reason at all, Babidi transports Gohan back to Earth rather than leave him to rot in nowhere space. Oh, and he doesn't bring Yakon back for some reason. However, Dabura's still there, so Gohan still has no chance, right? Well no, because then the crowning moment of ass-pullery occurs: Babidi drains Dabura of the vast majority of his power right before telling him to face Gohan. We're talking a huge drain, over 95% of the guy's power. Why? Because he almost killed Gohan, keeping Babidi from getting energy. For some reason it never occurs to Babidi to "punish" his mind controlled slave AFTER Gohan is dealt with. Or just to take less energy. Finally, due to this awfully convenient turn of events, Future Gohan is able to beat a guy dozens of times stronger than him and save the day.]]
12th May '18 9:59:37 PM mlsmithca
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: Bra finally getting what was coming to her when [[spoiler:Ginyu switched bodies with her.]] The fans were practically celebrating. Seriously, just read the comments on [[http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1248.html?comsall=1 this page.]]
12th May '18 5:26:54 PM Thecommander236
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*** Hell, he messed up even before that. If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark instead at exactly 30 second, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When they discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as !GinyuBra) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament out right. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead after apparently being a Chessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point?

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*** Hell, he messed up even before that. If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark instead at exactly 30 second, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When they discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as !GinyuBra) [=!GinyuBra=]) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament out right. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead after apparently being a Chessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point?point?
*** Plus Vegito was dumb too, when he brought [=!GinyuBra=] back to Bra in Cold's body, he attacks Frieza and Cooler instead of working with them like Frieza suggested. He could have immediately disqualified his team (if the organizers were actually competent) and had them all sent home without [=!BraCold=].
*** Then there's Frieza and Cooler who could have sold Vegito out and had them disqualified anyways because that's exactly how petty the Frost Demons are. They aren't like Zen Buu, Vegito, Gohan, and Bra who were willing to hide their fight from the organizers just so they could continue having fun in the tournament.
12th May '18 5:07:33 PM Thecommander236
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** Bra vs Cold starts out with Cold manipulating Bra's ego so that she wouldn't be able to go Super Saiyan in their fight. While this is clearly not an intelligent move on her end, it can be forgiven due to the fact that, even in her base form she was still stronger than Cold by a decent margin [[spoiler:at least until he used his 6th form]], what's not as forgivable is that [[spoiler: when Cold proved to be more powerful, ''she still held back'' by not using her other GameBreaker abilities until she was beaten to a point where she couldn't even stand and had to use senzus to continue fighting, nearly causing her death and U19 having one less fighter that's willing to use a wish on them]]. To make it worse, she's cocky like she planned to let Cold beat her from within an inch of her life.

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** Bra vs Cold starts out with Cold manipulating Bra's ego so that she wouldn't be able to go Super Saiyan in their fight. While this is clearly not an intelligent move on her end, it can be forgiven due to the fact that, even in her base form she was still stronger than Cold by a decent margin [[spoiler:at least until he used his 6th form]], what's not as forgivable is that [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when Cold proved to be more powerful, ''she still held back'' by not using her other GameBreaker abilities until she was beaten to a point where she couldn't even stand and had to use senzus to continue fighting, nearly causing her death and U19 having one less fighter that's willing to use a wish on them]]. To make it worse, she's cocky like she planned to let Cold beat her from within an inch of her life.



** Ginyu's loss to Vegito. Now granted, there's not a lot of ways to win against Vegito, but [[spoiler: using his "Change!" technique on him was hopeless and more or less guaranteed to fail. This is particularly the case since the fight ''began'' with Ginyu firing a mouth-beam and Vegito using Instantaneous Movement to teleport them both before he fires it. He's just doing the ''exact'' same thing that didn't work once, but with higher stakes]].
** Raichi during his fight with [[spoiler: Gast after seemingly incapacitating him, decides to have his Vegeta ghost stay halfway across the arena while not bothering to summon other ghosts as emergency bodyguards in case Gast sneak attacks him.]] You have three guesses on what happens, and the first two don't count.

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** Ginyu's loss to Vegito. Now granted, there's not a lot of ways to win against Vegito, but [[spoiler: using [[spoiler:using his "Change!" technique on him was hopeless and more or less guaranteed to fail. This is particularly the case since the fight ''began'' with Ginyu firing a mouth-beam and Vegito using Instantaneous Movement to teleport them both before he fires it. He's just doing the ''exact'' same thing that didn't work once, but with higher stakes]].
stakes]].
*** Hell, he messed up even before that. If he had used the change ability more towards the 20 or 25 second mark instead at exactly 30 second, he could have avoided fighting Vegito at all. When they discovered what he did, he could have claimed that he was actually a fighter from universe 8 (making it a win for universe 8 as !GinyuBra) making it illegal for Vegito to attack him lest they lose the tournament out right. He of course knows Frieza would kill him if he went back to their side, but that was the perfect opportunity to hold Bra's body hostage and negotiate a way out. Theoretically, he could also have claimed to be part of universe 16 either by forcing Vegito to play along lest they lose Bra's match (since Ginyu would have technically won for universe 8) or claim that the body belongs in universe 16 and that he won for their team (this is plausible given how utterly exploitable this tournament's rules are). There was any number of deals he could have made including using the wish of the dragon balls to give him a new body. Instead he just does the same thing he does in DBZ instead after apparently being a Chessmaster for years against the strongest beings of his universe. Plus, he could have just ''killed'' Frieza and Cold at any time since he had gotten much stronger than them in Cold's body. Why did he even bother with the charade at that point? What was the point?
** Raichi during his fight with [[spoiler: Gast [[spoiler:Gast after seemingly incapacitating him, decides to have his Vegeta ghost stay halfway across the arena while not bothering to summon other ghosts as emergency bodyguards in case Gast sneak attacks him.]] You have three guesses on what happens, and the first two don't count.
12th May '18 4:31:46 PM Thecommander236
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* ArcFatigue: One of the biggest complaints about the comic is how long the story takes to move things along. (reminder that this has been going on since ''2009'' and we haven't even gotten to the quarter finals of the tournament.)
** The Bra vs Cold fight ended up lasting over an entire chapter and when it looked like it was wrapped up at the beginning of ch.55 [[spoiler:Cold is revealed to be actually Ginyu in disguise, and steals Bra's body, leading to most of ''that'' chapter being about the attempt to undo the switch with no break for the next fight.]] Not helping matters is that the special chapter between ch.53 and ch.55 also had focus on Bra and both it and ch.55 only updated twice a week as opposed to the usual 3 times. At this point most readers just wanted to get to Gast vs Raichi.
** Gast vs Raichi also fell into this issue, not helping it is that it also had only 2 pages a week and a double special put into the middle of it, it only got worse when [[spoiler: Hachiyack appeared due to most pages involving him being splash pages]]



* AndTheFandomRejoiced: Bra finally getting what was coming to her when [[spoiler:Ginyu switched bodies with her.]] The fans were practically celebrating. Seriously, just read the comments on [[http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1248.html?comsall=1 this page.]]
* ArcFatigue: One of the biggest complaints about the comic is how long the story takes to move things along. (reminder that this has been going on since ''2009'' and we haven't even gotten to the quarter finals of the tournament.)
** The Bra vs Cold fight ended up lasting over an entire chapter and when it looked like it was wrapped up at the beginning of ch.55 [[spoiler:Cold is revealed to be actually Ginyu in disguise, and steals Bra's body, leading to most of ''that'' chapter being about the attempt to undo the switch with no break for the next fight.]] Not helping matters is that the special chapter between ch.53 and ch.55 also had focus on Bra and both it and ch.55 only updated twice a week as opposed to the usual 3 times. At this point most readers just wanted to get to Gast vs Raichi.
** Gast vs Raichi also fell into this issue, not helping it is that it also had only 2 pages a week and a double special put into the middle of it, it only got worse when [[spoiler: Hachiyack appeared due to most pages involving him being splash pages]]



** Future Gohan's victory in the "Mirai" special is only made possible by a series of complete and utter asspulls. [[spoiler: First, Gohan somehow manages to avoid being killed by Dabura by showing far superior speed and reflexes to characters that are canonically way faster than him, including Buu Saga Piccolo and the main timeline Gohan. Oh, and he also somehow survives a punch from Dabura, when it's repeatedly shown that if a fighter that strong even light taps someone that weak, they can make said someone EXPLODE. Then he gets teleported onto another planet with Yakon, a monster who can easily kill him via energy drain. Coincidentally, just Yakon is about to drain Gohan, Yakon's sister, a new character who was never even implied to exist in the source material, shows up and starts screwing around, keeping Yakon distracted long enough for Gohan to to start blasting holes in the ground and making vague threats at Babidi. Then, for no reason at all, Babidi transports Gohan back to Earth rather than leave him to rot in nowhere space. Oh, and he doesn't bring Yakon back for some reason. However, Dabura's still there, so Gohan still has no chance, right? Well no, because then the crowning moment of ass-pullery occurs: Babidi drains Dabura of the vast majority of his power right before telling him to face Gohan. We're talking a huge drain, over 95% of the guy's power. Why? Because he almost killed Gohan, keeping Babidi from getting energy. For some reason it never occurs to Babidi to "punish" his mind controlled slave AFTER Gohan is dealt with. Or just to take less energy. Finally, due to this awfully convenient turn of events, Future Gohan is able to beat a guy dozens of times stronger than him and save the day.]]

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** Future Gohan's victory in the "Mirai" special is only made possible by a series of complete and utter asspulls. [[spoiler: First, Gohan somehow manages to avoid being killed by Dabura by showing far superior speed and reflexes ref? lexes to characters that are canonically way faster than him, including Buu Saga Piccolo and the main timeline Gohan. Oh, and he also somehow survives a punch from Dabura, when it's repeatedly shown that if a fighter that strong even light taps someone that weak, they can make said someone EXPLODE. Then he gets teleported onto another planet with Yakon, a monster who can easily kill him via energy drain. Coincidentally, just Yakon is about to drain Gohan, Yakon's sister, a new character who was never even implied to exist in the source material, shows up and starts screwing around, keeping Yakon distracted long enough for Gohan to to start blasting holes in the ground and making vague threats at Babidi. Then, for no reason at all, Babidi transports Gohan back to Earth rather than leave him to rot in nowhere space. Oh, and he doesn't bring Yakon back for some reason. However, Dabura's still there, so Gohan still has no chance, right? Well no, because then the crowning moment of ass-pullery occurs: Babidi drains Dabura of the vast majority of his power right before telling him to face Gohan. We're talking a huge drain, over 95% of the guy's power. Why? Because he almost killed Gohan, keeping Babidi from getting energy. For some reason it never occurs to Babidi to "punish" his mind controlled slave AFTER Gohan is dealt with. Or just to take less energy. Finally, due to this awfully convenient turn of events, Future Gohan is able to beat a guy dozens of times stronger than him and save the day.]]
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