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* HarsherInHindsight: During Azrael's dialogue with Serendipity while the Triplets keep Bethany, Rufus, Serendipity, Jay and Silent Bob hostage, in group shots Jay can be seen sleeping (when he's not obscured by Azrael, that is) . While completely innocuous at first sight, this fact becomes a lot harsher once one reads the multi-part story "Me and My Shadow" on Kevin Smith's blog. In fact during this time, Jason Mewes was a pretty bad heroin addict, and would sometimes fall asleep during takes. Even worse, the end credits congratulate Jason: "See? Sober living paid off" because at the time, Jason was doing heroin while successfully pretending to be sober.

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* HarsherInHindsight: During Azrael's dialogue with Serendipity while In the Triplets keep Bethany, Rufus, Serendipity, Jay and Silent Bob hostage, in group shots scene where Azrael holds the gang hostage at the bar, Jay can occasionally be seen sleeping (when he's in the background. This was not obscured by Azrael, that is) . While completely innocuous at first sight, this fact becomes a lot harsher once one reads the multi-part story "Me and My Shadow" on Kevin Smith's blog. In fact during this time, gag, as Jason Mewes was a pretty bad had lied to Kevin Smith about having kicked his heroin addict, and would sometimes fall asleep during takes. Even worse, the end credits congratulate Jason: addiction, as side effect of which was frequent bouts of drowsiness (this despite Smith congratulating Mewes by writing "See? Sober living paid off" because at in the time, Jason was doing heroin while successfully pretending credits). This resulted in the two briefly falling out and Mewes having to be sober.go to rehab twice between 2002 and 2011 before he actually became sober for good.

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* HarsherInHindsight: During Azrael's dialogue with Serendipity while the Triplets keep Bethany, Rufus, Serendipity, Jay and Silent Bob hostage, in group shots Jay can be seen sleeping (when he's not obscured by Azrael, that is) . While completely innocuous at first sight, this fact becomes a lot harsher once one reads the multi-part story "Me and My Shadow" on Kevin Smith's blog. In fact during this time, Jason Mewes was a pretty bad heroin addict, and would sometimes fall asleep during takes. Even worse, the end credits congratulate Jason: "See? Sober living paid off" because at the time, Jason was doing heroin while successfully pretending to be sober.



* HarsherInHindsight: During Azrael's dialogue with Serendipity while the Triplets keep Bethany, Rufus, Serendipity, Jay and Silent Bob hostage, in group shots Jay can be seen sleeping (when he's not obscured by Azrael, that is) . While completely innocuous at first sight, this fact becomes a lot harsher once one reads the multi-part story "Me and My Shadow" on Kevin Smith's blog. In fact during this time, Jason Mewes was a pretty bad heroin addict, and would sometimes fall asleep during takes. Even worse, the end credits congratulate Jason: "See? Sober living paid off" because at the time, Jason was doing heroin while successfully pretending to be sober.
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* HarsherInHindsight: During Azrael's dialogue with Serendipity while the Triplets keep Bethany, Rufus, Serendipity, Jay and Silent Bob hostage, in group shots Jay can be seen sleeping (when he's not obscured by Azrael, that is) . While completely innocuous at first sight, this fact becomes a lot harsher once one reads the multi-part story "Me and My Shadow" on Kevin Smith's blog. In fact during this time, Jason Mewes was a pretty bad heroin addict, and would sometimes fall asleep during takes. Even worse, the end credits congratulate Jason: "See? Sober living paid off" because at the time, Jason was doing heroin while successfully pretending to be sober.
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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional hellish wail and his own voice becoming [[TheVoiceOfTheLegion distorted into a demonic-bellow]] as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "[[TakeOurWordForIt some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film]]." Whatever it is causes Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!

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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional hellish wail and his own voice becoming [[TheVoiceOfTheLegion [[VoiceOfTheLegion distorted into a demonic-bellow]] as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "[[TakeOurWordForIt some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film]]." Whatever it is causes Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!
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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional hellish wail and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "[[TakeOurWordForIt some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film]]." Whatever it is causes Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!

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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional hellish wail and his own voice becoming [[TheVoiceOfTheLegion distorted into a demonic-bellow demonic-bellow]] as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "[[TakeOurWordForIt some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film]]." Whatever it is causes Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!
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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "[[TakeOurWordForIt some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film]]." Whatever it is causes Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!

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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise occasional hellish wail]] wail and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "[[TakeOurWordForIt some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film]]." Whatever it is causes Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!
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Poorly written vandalism.


* JustHereForGodzilla: Released several years before the internet was easily accessible by everyone, and well before YouTube went online, people bought a ticket for ''Dogma'', saw the trailer for the second ''Film/TheMatrix''movie, and left.
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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film." [[NothingIsScarier Whatever it is]] caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!

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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some "[[TakeOurWordForIt some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film.film]]." [[NothingIsScarier Whatever it is]] caused is causes Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!
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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film." [[NothingIsScarier Whatever it is]] caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!

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* NightmareFuel: Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, the absence of God, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film." [[NothingIsScarier Whatever it is]] caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!
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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Azrael makes his presence known with sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Scenes with the triplets almost always have the sound of buzzing flies in the background.
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** "Worse, Wisconsin." Note that this line was penned by a NewJersey native.

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** "Worse, Wisconsin." Note that this line was penned by a NewJersey UsefulNotes/NewJersey native.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Released several years before the internet was easily accessible by everyone, and well before YouTube went online, people bought a ticket for ''Dogma'', saw the trailer for the second ''Film/TheMatrix''movie, and left.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: "Still" by God Herself, played over the end credits.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: "Still" by [[Music/AlanisMorissette God Herself, Herself]], played over the end credits.
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** In the original script the Golgothan shows up at the hospital to stop Bob and Bethany. Bob's spray is expended and he has to fight the Golgothan himself so Bethany can slip past. One of the Stygians turns out to be NotQuiteDead and gives Bethany some trouble.

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** In the original script the Golgothan shows up at the hospital to stop Bob and Bethany. Bob's spray is expended and he has to fight the Golgothan himself so Bethany can slip past. One Also ,one of the Stygians Stygian Triplets turns out to be NotQuiteDead and gives Bethany some trouble.
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** In the original script the Golgothan shows up at the hospital to stop Bob and Bethany. Bob's spray is expended and he has to fight the Golgothan himself so Bethany can slip past. One of the Stygians turns out to be not quite dead and gives Bethany some trouble.

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** In the original script the Golgothan shows up at the hospital to stop Bob and Bethany. Bob's spray is expended and he has to fight the Golgothan himself so Bethany can slip past. One of the Stygians turns out to be not quite dead NotQuiteDead and gives Bethany some trouble.
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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Asriel makes his presence known with sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Scenes with the triplets almost always have the sound of buzzing flies in the background.

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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Asriel Azrael makes his presence known with sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Scenes with the triplets almost always have the sound of buzzing flies in the background.



* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film." [[NothingIsScarier Whatever it is]] caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!

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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's Azrael's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film." [[NothingIsScarier Whatever it is]] caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!



'''Metatron''': That's what Jesus said. Yes, I had to tell him. And you can imagine how that hurt the Father - not to be able to tell the Son Himself because one word from His lips would destroy the boy's frail human form? So I was forced to deliver the news to a scared child who wanted nothing more than to play with other children. I had to tell this little boy that He was God's only Son, and that it meant a life of persecution and eventual crucifixion at the hands of the very people He came to enlighten and redeem. He begged me to take it back, as if I could. He begged me to make it all not true. And I'll let you in on something, Bethany, this is something I've never told anyone before... If I had the power, ''I would have.''
** The end credits song, "Still," sung by [[AlanisMorissette God herself]], about how, in spite of [[HumansAreFlawed all of the terrible things that human beings have done and continue to do]], She loves them unconditionally.

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'''Metatron''': That's what Jesus said. Yes, I had to tell him. And you can imagine how that hurt the Father - -- not to be able to tell the Son Himself because one word from His lips would destroy the boy's frail human form? So I was forced to deliver the news to a scared child who wanted nothing more than to play with other children. I had to tell this little boy that He was God's only Son, and that it meant a life of persecution and eventual crucifixion at the hands of the very people He came to enlighten and redeem. He begged me to take it back, as if I could. He begged me to make it all not true. And I'll let you in on something, Bethany, this is something I've never told anyone before... If I had the power, ''I would have.''
** The end credits song, "Still," sung by [[AlanisMorissette God herself]], Herself]], about how, in spite of [[HumansAreFlawed all of the terrible things that human beings have done and continue to do]], She loves them unconditionally.



** Loki. His job aside he was one of the nicer angels even hung out with Jay and Bob before knowing they are prophets. When he finds out Bartleby is more focused on war on god than going home, he becomes more sympathetic, even cutting off his own wings and trying to stop his former friend. [[spoiler: It doesn't end well.]]

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** Loki. His job aside aside, he was one of the nicer angels angels; he even hung out with Jay and Bob before knowing they are prophets. When he finds out Bartleby is more focused on war on god God than going home, he becomes more sympathetic, even cutting off his own wings and trying to stop his former friend. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It doesn't end well.]]
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** In the original script the Golgothan shows up at the hospital to stop Bob and Bethany. Bob's spray is expended and he has to fight the Golgothan himself so Bethany can slip past. One of the Stygians turns out to be not quite dead and gives Bethany some trouble.
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Memetic Sex God has been cut per TRS. All wicks will be deleted.


* {{Memetic Sex God}}dess: God Herself. Jay mentions when She kissed him, ''he popped a semi''.
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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Asriel's entrances are often accompanied by the sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Similarly, the triplets are often accompanied by the sound of flies buzzing.

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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Asriel's entrances are often accompanied by the Asriel makes his presence known with sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Similarly, Scenes with the triplets are often accompanied by almost always have the sound of buzzing flies buzzing.in the background.
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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Asriel's entrances are often accompanied by the sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Similarly, the triplets almost always enter to the sound of flies buzzing.

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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Asriel's entrances are often accompanied by the sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Similarly, the triplets almost always enter to are often accompanied by the sound of flies buzzing.
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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film."

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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and show her, as the script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film."" [[NothingIsScarier Whatever it is]] caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!



** A second appearance of the demon was deleted. Whatever it is caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!

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** A second appearance of the demon was deleted. Whatever it is caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!
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** A second appearance of the demon was deleted.

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** A second appearance of the demon was deleted. Whatever it is caused Bethany to collapse and start ''convulsing''!
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** Of corse, Music/HowardShore's music is no slouch either.

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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow at the end.
** Another deleted scene had him putting a hand over Bethany's eyes and showing her what hell is really like. None of the "hell" footage was ever produced, but the rough cut of it included a text card in it's place that simply read [[NothingIsScarier "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film."]]

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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow at the end.
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as he gets angrier. He then proceeds to put a hand over Bethany's eyes and showing her what hell is really like. None of show her, as the "hell" footage was ever produced, but the rough cut of it included a text card in it's place that simply read [[NothingIsScarier script put it, "some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film."]]"

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* HellIsThatNoise: Literally. Asriel's entrances are often accompanied by the sounds of screaming and demonic voices. Similarly, the triplets almost always enter to the sound of flies buzzing.



** Another deleted scene had him putting a hand over Bethany's eyes and showing her what hell is really like. None of the "hell" footage was ever produced, but the rough cut of it included a text card in it's place that simply read [[NothingIsScarier "something really messed up."]]

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** Another deleted scene had him putting a hand over Bethany's eyes and showing her what hell is really like. None of the "hell" footage was ever produced, but the rough cut of it included a text card in it's place that simply read [[NothingIsScarier "something really messed up."some of the most fucked up and disturbing imagery that can be crammed into 240 frames of film."]]
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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish voice]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow at the end.

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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish voice]] wail]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow at the end.
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** The end credits song, "Still," sung by [[AlanisMorissette God herself]], about how, in spite of [[HumansAreFlawed all of the terrible things that human beings have done and continue to do]], she loves them unconditionally.

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** The end credits song, "Still," sung by [[AlanisMorissette God herself]], about how, in spite of [[HumansAreFlawed all of the terrible things that human beings have done and continue to do]], she She loves them unconditionally.
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* NightmareFuel: Asriel's deleted monologue of how human-kind's shame transformed hell, once merely life without God's presence, into the fire-and-brimstone pit of suffering it now is, accompanied by the occasional [[HellIsThatNoise hellish voice]] and his own voice becoming distorted into a demonic-bellow at the end.
** Another deleted scene had him putting a hand over Bethany's eyes and showing her what hell is really like. None of the "hell" footage was ever produced, but the rough cut of it included a text card in it's place that simply read [[NothingIsScarier "something really messed up."]]
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** Since they're filtered through typical '90s [[DeadpanSnarker snark-talk]], a lot of it comes off as SophisticatedAsHell.


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** The end credits song, "Still," sung by [[AlanisMorissette God herself]], about how, in spite of [[HumansAreFlawed all of the terrible things that human beings have done and continue to do]], she loves them unconditionally.
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Need actual details. As it is, it just sounds like character-bashing.


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Despite her very unfortunate marital history combined with the craziness going on around her, Bethany is far from a likable character.

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