History YMMV / DevilSurvivor

8th Apr '18 2:34:37 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[BigBad Belberith]] is a Demon Lord and the cause of almost all disasters in the game. A demon who inherited the power and memories of the original [[TheOldGods King of Bel]], Belberith [[RageAgainstTheHeavens swore revenge against God]]. To do this, he waged war against other demons who inherited the power of Bel and manipulated the Founder of the Shomonkai, making him believe that he was going to protect humanity from God's Ordeal. Under his orders, the Shomonkai causes the weakening of the Barrier between worlds leading to demons to escape to Tokyo, forcing the Japanese Army to lock the city to prevent a worldwide demonic spread, something which causes the death of hundreds of civilians. When he is summoned to the Human world by the Founder sacrificing his own life, Belberith confesses his real intentions, taking revenge on God by killing "[[KillAllHumans all his children]]" and mocking the Founder for believing in him. In Yuzu's 8th day in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Overclocked]]''. Belberith shows his sadism by killing his newest servant after he asked when Belberith would revive his family and then gloating about how he truly did " reunite him with his family".
23rd Feb '18 3:25:06 AM Andrzej
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The game does this itself when describing the Gigolo in Naoya's profile as a "[[CampGay flamboyant man]]", immediately followed by "[[HoYay What could their relationship be?]]" The fact that Gigolo is [[spoiler: unambiguously revealed to be gay on one path]] doesn't help.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The game does this itself when describing the Gigolo in Naoya's profile as a "[[CampGay flamboyant man]]", immediately followed by "[[HoYay What could their relationship be?]]" The fact that Gigolo is [[spoiler: unambiguously [[spoiler:unambiguously revealed to be gay on one path]] doesn't help.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:



* BreatherLevel The fourth day as a whole. While it starts with a major turning point for Keisuke, none of what happens in the day measures up to Beldr the previous day or the fact that numerous character arcs have a climax on the fifth day.
* DemonicSpiders:

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* BreatherLevel BreatherLevel: The fourth day as a whole. While it starts with a major turning point for Keisuke, none of what happens in the day measures up to Beldr the previous day or the fact that numerous character arcs have a climax on the fifth day.
* DemonicSpiders: DemonicSpiders:



* DracoInLeatherPants: Naoya created the demon summoning program, traps the protagonist and his friends in the lockdown, [[spoiler: is Cain]], is completely ruthless against anybody who stands against him in the Law or Inhuman Overlord path, and plans to [[spoiler: turn the protagonist into the King of Demons in order to start a war against God]]. Ask the fangirls, and Naoya is a huggable [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who can do no wrong, and is frequently [[HoYay slashed]] with the protagonist. [[UpdatedRerelease Overclocked]] elaborates on his history and presents him more sympathetically, but his more ambiguous actions during the lockdown are often swept under the rug by his fans.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Naoya created the demon summoning program, traps the protagonist and his friends in the lockdown, [[spoiler: is [[spoiler:is Cain]], is completely ruthless against anybody who stands against him in the Law or Inhuman Overlord path, and plans to [[spoiler: turn [[spoiler:turn the protagonist into the King of Demons in order to start a war against God]]. Ask the fangirls, and Naoya is a huggable [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who can do no wrong, and is frequently [[HoYay slashed]] with the protagonist. [[UpdatedRerelease Overclocked]] elaborates on his history and presents him more sympathetically, but his more ambiguous actions during the lockdown are often swept under the rug by his fans.



** [[spoiler: Loki]], as he reveals when talking to Yuzu.
--> "You think you're pretty hot, don't you? I don't care about you! My love is for [[HelloInsertNameHere [Protagonist]]]!

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** [[spoiler: Loki]], [[spoiler:Loki]], as he reveals when talking to Yuzu.
--> "You -->"You think you're pretty hot, don't you? I don't care about you! My love is for [[HelloInsertNameHere [Protagonist]]]!



* {{Narm}}: The various sounds the demons make in cutscenes tend to act more like NightmareRetardant than NightmareFuel. A good example is Beldr, who you’d expect to have full voice-acting and to be a BadassBaritone. Instead he just… moans. It also makes you wonder how the characters are able to understand demons in the first place.
* NightmareFuel:
** This is [=MegaTen=], so it's kind of par for the course. Of particular note is [[spoiler: Keisuke's death scene if you fail to stop Kaido from murdering him. The fact that it plays out with small sprites instead of "glorious 3D" is probably the ''only'' thing preventing the game from getting an automatic M rating just for this scene... but the cutesy sprites only serve to make the scene ''worse'' on some levels.]]
** And then there's [[spoiler: Belberith. Oh god, [[EldritchAbomination twisted combo-demon Belberith]]. Even ''worse'' if you're a veteran SMT player and can pick out the component demons that form him.]]

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* {{Narm}}: The various sounds the demons make in cutscenes tend to act more like NightmareRetardant than NightmareFuel. A good example is Beldr, who you’d you'd expect to have full voice-acting and to be a BadassBaritone. Instead he just… moans. It also makes you wonder how the characters are able to understand demons in the first place.
* NightmareFuel:
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** This is [=MegaTen=], so it's kind of par for the course. Of particular note is [[spoiler: Keisuke's [[spoiler:Keisuke's death scene if you fail to stop Kaido from murdering him. The fact that it plays out with small sprites instead of "glorious 3D" is probably the ''only'' thing preventing the game from getting an automatic M rating just for this scene... but the cutesy sprites only serve to make the scene ''worse'' on some levels.]]
** And then there's [[spoiler: Belberith.[[spoiler:Belberith. Oh god, [[EldritchAbomination twisted combo-demon Belberith]]. Even ''worse'' if you're a veteran SMT player and can pick out the component demons that form him.]]



** Then there's the [[spoiler: microchips placed inside every electronic device in Tokyo, designed to all go off at the government's command, basically [[TheTokyoFireball turning the city into a giant microwave oven]]]]. Once again, Atsuro is the one to find out this ''wonderful'' info. Now, read [[spoiler:the FCC compliance notice on the back of '''YOUR DS''', if you live in the USA. "(2) [T]his device must accept any interference received, ''including interference that may cause undesired operation''."]]

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** Then there's the [[spoiler: microchips [[spoiler:microchips placed inside every electronic device in Tokyo, designed to all go off at the government's command, basically [[TheTokyoFireball turning the city into a giant microwave oven]]]]. Once again, Atsuro is the one to find out this ''wonderful'' info. Now, read [[spoiler:the FCC compliance notice on the back of '''YOUR DS''', if you live in the USA. "(2) [T]his device must accept any interference received, ''including interference that may cause undesired operation''."]]



** Especially notable is [[spoiler: the second fight with Kudlak. Not only do you have to keep him from fleeing, but you have to make sure the [=NPCs=] in battle don't die, ''and'' a specific NPC [[OnlyICanKillHim has to land the ending blow]] or else it's heavily implied the character in question gets KilledOffForReal by her DemonicPossession. Not helping matters is the fact she averages roughly 30 damage at a time, whereas her target will knock her down to near-death ''every time'']]. Note that only the death of the [=NPCs=] results in a Game Over, but any of the undesired results may warrant resetting.

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** Especially notable is [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the second fight with Kudlak. Not only do you have to keep him from fleeing, but you have to make sure the [=NPCs=] in battle don't die, ''and'' a specific NPC [[OnlyICanKillHim has to land the ending blow]] or else it's heavily implied the character in question gets KilledOffForReal by her DemonicPossession. Not helping matters is the fact she averages roughly 30 damage at a time, whereas her target will knock her down to near-death ''every time'']]. Note that only the death of the [=NPCs=] results in a Game Over, but any of the undesired results may warrant resetting.



** [[spoiler: Some view Naoya this way in Amane's ending. Some of the characters even feel sorry for him.]]

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** [[spoiler: Some [[spoiler:Some view Naoya this way in Amane's ending. Some of the characters even feel sorry for him.]]



** ''Especially'' [[spoiler: Honda]], and '''''even more so''''' in [[spoiler: Yuzu's 8th Day]].
* {{Woolseyism}}:
** Atsuro calls Yuzu "Yoohoo" in the English version. In the Japanese version it's "Sodeko" ("sleeve girl") which is a visual pun on the kanji of her name. Obviously that wouldn't work in English, although it sounds a bit weird when Yuzu complains that some people think that Yoohoo's her real name (which works better with the real-sounding Sodeko).

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** ''Especially'' [[spoiler: Honda]], [[spoiler:Honda]], and '''''even more so''''' in [[spoiler: Yuzu's [[spoiler:Yuzu's 8th Day]].
* {{Woolseyism}}:
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** Atsuro calls Yuzu "Yoohoo" in the English version. In the Japanese version it's "Sodeko" ("sleeve girl") which is a visual pun on the kanji of her name. Obviously that wouldn't work in English, although it sounds a bit weird when Yuzu complains that some people think that Yoohoo's her real name (which works better with the real-sounding Sodeko).
22nd Feb '18 1:18:22 PM finalsurvivor1
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* BreatherLevel The fourth day as a whole. While it starts with a major turning point for Keisuke, none of what happens in the day measures up to Beldr the previous day or the fact that numerous character arcs have a climax on the fifth day.
20th Jan '18 12:33:07 AM infernape612
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** In the manga, Atsuro gets shattered by the revelation that Kaido, an AxCrazy DeathSeeker has come to understand his former best friend in a couple of minutes' meeting than he ever did in years. Kazuya gently telling him he does not have to force himself to smile after failing to avert Keisuke's death breaks his mask.

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** In the manga, Atsuro gets shattered by the revelation that Kaido, an AxCrazy DeathSeeker has come to understand his former best friend in a couple of minutes' meeting better than he ever did in years. Kazuya gently telling him he does not have to force himself to smile after failing to avert Keisuke's death breaks his mask.



Why is this attack so bad, you may wonder? First: It's [[NonElemental Almighty]], meaning ''nothing'' can resist, null or reflect it. Secondly, it's a ''field attack'', which means that it hits '''every single one of your teams.''' Thirdly, it can and WILL be promptly unleashed without warning if the BonusBoss thinks you're not giving it your all. [[FourIsDeath Fourth, and lastly,]] [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill it's power rises by 50% EVERY time he uses it.]] This attack is already strong enough at base power that it's pretty much a OneHitKill if you don't have max or nearly maxed MAG, and even then, at level 99 you'd still probably lose half your healt or so, but it'll eventually REALLY become a OneHitKill once he uses it enough times. So the solution is, defeat the BonusBoss before he can use it enough times... Which is only consistently possible with a GameBreaker strategy.

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Why is this attack so bad, you may wonder? First: It's [[NonElemental Almighty]], meaning ''nothing'' can resist, null or reflect it. Secondly, it's a ''field attack'', which means that it hits '''every single one of your teams.''' Thirdly, it can and WILL be promptly unleashed without warning if the BonusBoss thinks you're not giving it your all. [[FourIsDeath Fourth, and lastly,]] [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill it's power rises by 50% EVERY time he uses it.]] This attack is already strong enough at base power that it's pretty much a OneHitKill if you don't have max or nearly maxed MAG, and even then, at level 99 you'd still probably lose half your healt health or so, but it'll eventually REALLY become a OneHitKill once he uses it enough times. So the solution is, defeat the BonusBoss before he can use it enough times... Which is only consistently possible with a GameBreaker strategy.



** Beldr might be nigh invulnerable, Jezebel annoying, Belial unbelievably strong, but Babel's second form tops them all.Besides its high HP and virtually unlimited MP, it has the most powerful spell up to that point, Dual Shadow for a chance to use it ''twice in a row'' (which very few parties, if at all, can survive).And on top of that every single turn it will use a special move to heavily damage and '''silence''' all your characters, and shift elemental weakness.Seriously, anything except for a ZergRush of your best mages with Elec spells and physical with Pierce is destined to end up in failure.

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** Beldr might be nigh invulnerable, Jezebel annoying, Belial unbelievably strong, but Babel's second form tops them all.Besides its high HP and virtually unlimited MP, it has the most powerful spell up to that point, Dual Shadow for a chance to use it ''twice in a row'' (which very few parties, if at all, can survive). And on top of that every single turn it will use a special move to heavily damage and '''silence''' all your characters, and shift elemental weakness.Seriously, anything except for a ZergRush of your best mages with Elec spells and physical with Pierce is destined to end up in failure.
19th Jan '18 3:04:24 PM infernape612
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* BreatherBoss: Kudlak, while having the annoying gimmick of having to let an NPC land the finishing blow on him all the while you have to keep Dia flunkies from getting to him, is quite simple compared to what came before him and can't take much punishment AND is vulnerable to status inflictions.

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* BreatherBoss: BreatherBoss:
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Kudlak, while having the annoying gimmick of having to let an NPC land the finishing blow on him all the while you have to keep Dia flunkies from getting to him, is quite simple compared to what came before him and can't take much punishment AND is vulnerable to status inflictions.inflictions.
** During the Bel rush in Amane and Naoya's final battles, Jezebel spawns in a previously blocked part of the map with only 3 attack range, no party-wide attack, and no flunkies, giving the player as much time as they need to heal themselves before continuing the battle.
6th Nov '17 9:57:51 AM Ramidel
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** Yuzu's fangirling over Haru, complete with constant {{Luminescent Blush}}ing.
2nd Nov '17 3:15:13 PM Eagal
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** Decarabias. Their signature move is Shield-All, which they ''will'' use at THE most inopportune time. And as mentioned, they tend to appear in conjunction with other obnoxious GoddamnBats as well.
25th Sep '17 11:52:18 AM urutapu
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Yuzu tends to be divisive due to her character arc which involves escaping from the conflict. On the other hand, should the correct route be taken she gets better received. ''Overclock'' made things harder for her considering she had one of the weakest voice actors to some people.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Yuzu tends to be divisive due to her character arc which involves escaping from the conflict. On the other hand, should the correct route be taken she gets better received. The expansion to it added in ''Overclock'' made things harder for her considering she had has one of the weakest voice actors to some people.people. That being said, her characterization in other routes garners less criticism.
24th Aug '17 8:11:16 PM VeryMelon
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* GameBreaker:
** Drain. It does Almighty damage (which means that 99.9% of enemies can't resist, null, deflect, or absorb it), is surprisingly damaging, and robs the enemy of their HP and MP while replenishing yours.
** Also, Drain Hit+Power Hit+Any Phys passive buff.
** Holy Dance, which can do random amount of almighty damage. Best used against bosses, who usually won't have partners, thus allowing the full brunt of the random damage to go to a single target.
** And also: Tyrant + Megidolaon + leader with Magic Yang = free one-turn kill every turn. And if you've got Awakening as well, even better!
** [[UselessUsefulSpell Petra Eyes]] is ''[[SubvertedTrope extremely useful]]'', at least [[NewGamePlus on the first run]], since petrified characters can be killed in one hit with luck no matter the HP or level. Being an [[NintendoHard Atlus game]] filled with GoddamnedBats where a huge part of them aren't resistant.
** Pierce bypasses resistance to, nullification of, and draining of physical attacks, unless the demon's name starts with [[NighInvulnerability "Bel"]] and ends with [[GoddamnedBoss "dr"]]. Pair this up with Deathbound and you can demolish bosses that would otherwise make a physical assault hopeless, such as Belzeboul and [[spoiler:Naoya]].
** Beast and Kishin demons on the same team. Beasts let you move again after you attack, and Kishins let you attack twice. Even better, try Kishins and Vile / Dragon type demons. As long as your opponent doesn't have a demon of the same type, you can attack for two turns without the other team even ''touching'' you.
** Multi-Strike is also an extremely powerful attack in Overclocked. It costs less hp than other physical abilities and works off of Agility. Put this on a physical-oriented MC and work on boosting his agility, and he'll almost always go first and pretty much instantly kill all three enemies in one turn. Combined with Pierce, you can kill almost everything instantly. Combined with Phys Drain instead, and you'll heal yourself to full against anyone with Phy Repel (fairly common near the end).
** Some player-created demon-skill combinations. For example, usually the biggest weakness of a SquishyWizard is their physical defense. No problem, pass on Phys Repel to one via fusion, and you now have a magic user that is practically immune to Phys attacks and also has high resistance to magic because of their stat focus. This allows demons of all kinds last a LOT longer past their normal practical use because of the skills you give them. This is easier still in Overclocked with the addition of the Demon Compendium. The only problem, thus, [[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts is how deep your pockets go]].
** Phys Rise + Phys Jump + Pierce + Rage Soul. Sure, it limits the team it's equipped on to just its basic attacks, but when that team is, say, Atsuro's, and he's rocking extremely high Strength demon partners, 3.6x physical damage magnification gets kind of nuts. He can tear through pretty much anything not reflecting Physical in one or two rounds, maybe three rounds for bosses. And yes, Bels are included in the three-round maximum, as are some final bosses.
** Rolling Recarm chains. Especially effective against the BonusBoss. Each squad has two demons faster than their human and the human faster than their targets; both have Recarm or Samarecarm. Demons do whatever, human does something that gets reflected and causes them to suicide. The next human revives the first one, then does the same demons do whatever, human suicides thing. Since a character that's just been resurrected acts immediately after their reviver, this creates an infinite chain of revivals that keeps enemies from ever getting a turn.
** Overclocked adds in Extra Charge and Extra Savings, two moves that, when cracked, make the rest of the game a joke. Extra Charge doubles the damage of your attacks on Extra Turns, while Extra Savings reduces the cost down to zero. Combine the two with Magic Yin, and you can destroy nigh on everything in one turn while rarely ever needing to replenish your magic.
** Victory Cry, which is available only late-game, but replenishes 20% or your [=HP/MP=] after every fight. When you can replenish enough MP to cast one powerful spell (say, Holy Dance or Megidolaon) + one Prayer (full party heal) ''every single turn'', you know you're good to go.

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* GameBreaker:
** Drain. It does Almighty damage (which means that 99.9% of enemies can't resist, null, deflect, or absorb it), is surprisingly damaging, and robs the enemy of their HP and MP while replenishing yours.
** Also, Drain Hit+Power Hit+Any Phys passive buff.
** Holy Dance, which can do random amount of almighty damage. Best used against bosses, who usually won't have partners, thus allowing the full brunt of the random damage to go to a single target.
** And also: Tyrant + Megidolaon + leader with Magic Yang = free one-turn kill every turn. And if you've got Awakening as well, even better!
** [[UselessUsefulSpell Petra Eyes]] is ''[[SubvertedTrope extremely useful]]'', at least [[NewGamePlus on the first run]], since petrified characters can be killed in one hit with luck no matter the HP or level. Being an [[NintendoHard Atlus game]] filled with GoddamnedBats where a huge part of them aren't resistant.
** Pierce bypasses resistance to, nullification of, and draining of physical attacks, unless the demon's name starts with [[NighInvulnerability "Bel"]] and ends with [[GoddamnedBoss "dr"]]. Pair this up with Deathbound and you can demolish bosses that would otherwise make a physical assault hopeless, such as Belzeboul and [[spoiler:Naoya]].
** Beast and Kishin demons on the same team. Beasts let you move again after you attack, and Kishins let you attack twice. Even better, try Kishins and Vile / Dragon type demons. As long as your opponent doesn't have a demon of the same type, you can attack for two turns without the other team even ''touching'' you.
** Multi-Strike is also an extremely powerful attack in Overclocked. It costs less hp than other physical abilities and works off of Agility. Put this on a physical-oriented MC and work on boosting his agility, and he'll almost always go first and pretty much instantly kill all three enemies in one turn. Combined with Pierce, you can kill almost everything instantly. Combined with Phys Drain instead, and you'll heal yourself to full against anyone with Phy Repel (fairly common near the end).
** Some player-created demon-skill combinations. For example, usually the biggest weakness of a SquishyWizard is their physical defense. No problem, pass on Phys Repel to one via fusion, and you now have a magic user that is practically immune to Phys attacks and also has high resistance to magic because of their stat focus. This allows demons of all kinds last a LOT longer past their normal practical use because of the skills you give them. This is easier still in Overclocked with the addition of the Demon Compendium. The only problem, thus, [[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts is how deep your pockets go]].
** Phys Rise + Phys Jump + Pierce + Rage Soul. Sure, it limits the team it's equipped on to just its basic attacks, but when that team is, say, Atsuro's, and he's rocking extremely high Strength demon partners, 3.6x physical damage magnification gets kind of nuts. He can tear through pretty much anything not reflecting Physical in one or two rounds, maybe three rounds for bosses. And yes, Bels are included in the three-round maximum, as are some final bosses.
** Rolling Recarm chains. Especially effective against the BonusBoss. Each squad has two demons faster than their human and the human faster than their targets; both have Recarm or Samarecarm. Demons do whatever, human does something that gets reflected and causes them to suicide. The next human revives the first one, then does the same demons do whatever, human suicides thing. Since a character that's just been resurrected acts immediately after their reviver, this creates an infinite chain of revivals that keeps enemies from ever getting a turn.
** Overclocked adds in Extra Charge and Extra Savings, two moves that, when cracked, make the rest of the game a joke. Extra Charge doubles the damage of your attacks on Extra Turns, while Extra Savings reduces the cost down to zero. Combine the two with Magic Yin, and you can destroy nigh on everything in one turn while rarely ever needing to replenish your magic.
** Victory Cry, which is available only late-game, but replenishes 20% or your [=HP/MP=] after every fight. When you can replenish enough MP to cast one powerful spell (say, Holy Dance or Megidolaon) + one Prayer (full party heal) ''every single turn'', you know you're good to go.
GameBreaker: Listed [[GameBreaker/ShinMegamiTensei here]].
18th Jul '17 6:18:27 PM VeryMelon
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