History YMMV / DevilSurvivor

24th Aug '17 8:11:16 PM VeryMelon
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* GameBreaker:
** Drain. It does Almighty damage (which means that 99.9% of enemies can't resist, null, deflect, or absorb it), is surprisingly damaging, and robs the enemy of their HP and MP while replenishing yours.
** Also, Drain Hit+Power Hit+Any Phys passive buff.
** Holy Dance, which can do random amount of almighty damage. Best used against bosses, who usually won't have partners, thus allowing the full brunt of the random damage to go to a single target.
** And also: Tyrant + Megidolaon + leader with Magic Yang = free one-turn kill every turn. And if you've got Awakening as well, even better!
** [[UselessUsefulSpell Petra Eyes]] is ''[[SubvertedTrope extremely useful]]'', at least [[NewGamePlus on the first run]], since petrified characters can be killed in one hit with luck no matter the HP or level. Being an [[NintendoHard Atlus game]] filled with GoddamnedBats where a huge part of them aren't resistant.
** Pierce bypasses resistance to, nullification of, and draining of physical attacks, unless the demon's name starts with [[NighInvulnerability "Bel"]] and ends with [[GoddamnedBoss "dr"]]. Pair this up with Deathbound and you can demolish bosses that would otherwise make a physical assault hopeless, such as Belzeboul and [[spoiler:Naoya]].
** Beast and Kishin demons on the same team. Beasts let you move again after you attack, and Kishins let you attack twice. Even better, try Kishins and Vile / Dragon type demons. As long as your opponent doesn't have a demon of the same type, you can attack for two turns without the other team even ''touching'' you.
** Multi-Strike is also an extremely powerful attack in Overclocked. It costs less hp than other physical abilities and works off of Agility. Put this on a physical-oriented MC and work on boosting his agility, and he'll almost always go first and pretty much instantly kill all three enemies in one turn. Combined with Pierce, you can kill almost everything instantly. Combined with Phys Drain instead, and you'll heal yourself to full against anyone with Phy Repel (fairly common near the end).
** Some player-created demon-skill combinations. For example, usually the biggest weakness of a SquishyWizard is their physical defense. No problem, pass on Phys Repel to one via fusion, and you now have a magic user that is practically immune to Phys attacks and also has high resistance to magic because of their stat focus. This allows demons of all kinds last a LOT longer past their normal practical use because of the skills you give them. This is easier still in Overclocked with the addition of the Demon Compendium. The only problem, thus, [[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts is how deep your pockets go]].
** Phys Rise + Phys Jump + Pierce + Rage Soul. Sure, it limits the team it's equipped on to just its basic attacks, but when that team is, say, Atsuro's, and he's rocking extremely high Strength demon partners, 3.6x physical damage magnification gets kind of nuts. He can tear through pretty much anything not reflecting Physical in one or two rounds, maybe three rounds for bosses. And yes, Bels are included in the three-round maximum, as are some final bosses.
** Rolling Recarm chains. Especially effective against the BonusBoss. Each squad has two demons faster than their human and the human faster than their targets; both have Recarm or Samarecarm. Demons do whatever, human does something that gets reflected and causes them to suicide. The next human revives the first one, then does the same demons do whatever, human suicides thing. Since a character that's just been resurrected acts immediately after their reviver, this creates an infinite chain of revivals that keeps enemies from ever getting a turn.
** Overclocked adds in Extra Charge and Extra Savings, two moves that, when cracked, make the rest of the game a joke. Extra Charge doubles the damage of your attacks on Extra Turns, while Extra Savings reduces the cost down to zero. Combine the two with Magic Yin, and you can destroy nigh on everything in one turn while rarely ever needing to replenish your magic.
** Victory Cry, which is available only late-game, but replenishes 20% or your [=HP/MP=] after every fight. When you can replenish enough MP to cast one powerful spell (say, Holy Dance or Megidolaon) + one Prayer (full party heal) ''every single turn'', you know you're good to go.

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* GameBreaker:
** Drain. It does Almighty damage (which means that 99.9% of enemies can't resist, null, deflect, or absorb it), is surprisingly damaging, and robs the enemy of their HP and MP while replenishing yours.
** Also, Drain Hit+Power Hit+Any Phys passive buff.
** Holy Dance, which can do random amount of almighty damage. Best used against bosses, who usually won't have partners, thus allowing the full brunt of the random damage to go to a single target.
** And also: Tyrant + Megidolaon + leader with Magic Yang = free one-turn kill every turn. And if you've got Awakening as well, even better!
** [[UselessUsefulSpell Petra Eyes]] is ''[[SubvertedTrope extremely useful]]'', at least [[NewGamePlus on the first run]], since petrified characters can be killed in one hit with luck no matter the HP or level. Being an [[NintendoHard Atlus game]] filled with GoddamnedBats where a huge part of them aren't resistant.
** Pierce bypasses resistance to, nullification of, and draining of physical attacks, unless the demon's name starts with [[NighInvulnerability "Bel"]] and ends with [[GoddamnedBoss "dr"]]. Pair this up with Deathbound and you can demolish bosses that would otherwise make a physical assault hopeless, such as Belzeboul and [[spoiler:Naoya]].
** Beast and Kishin demons on the same team. Beasts let you move again after you attack, and Kishins let you attack twice. Even better, try Kishins and Vile / Dragon type demons. As long as your opponent doesn't have a demon of the same type, you can attack for two turns without the other team even ''touching'' you.
** Multi-Strike is also an extremely powerful attack in Overclocked. It costs less hp than other physical abilities and works off of Agility. Put this on a physical-oriented MC and work on boosting his agility, and he'll almost always go first and pretty much instantly kill all three enemies in one turn. Combined with Pierce, you can kill almost everything instantly. Combined with Phys Drain instead, and you'll heal yourself to full against anyone with Phy Repel (fairly common near the end).
** Some player-created demon-skill combinations. For example, usually the biggest weakness of a SquishyWizard is their physical defense. No problem, pass on Phys Repel to one via fusion, and you now have a magic user that is practically immune to Phys attacks and also has high resistance to magic because of their stat focus. This allows demons of all kinds last a LOT longer past their normal practical use because of the skills you give them. This is easier still in Overclocked with the addition of the Demon Compendium. The only problem, thus, [[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts is how deep your pockets go]].
** Phys Rise + Phys Jump + Pierce + Rage Soul. Sure, it limits the team it's equipped on to just its basic attacks, but when that team is, say, Atsuro's, and he's rocking extremely high Strength demon partners, 3.6x physical damage magnification gets kind of nuts. He can tear through pretty much anything not reflecting Physical in one or two rounds, maybe three rounds for bosses. And yes, Bels are included in the three-round maximum, as are some final bosses.
** Rolling Recarm chains. Especially effective against the BonusBoss. Each squad has two demons faster than their human and the human faster than their targets; both have Recarm or Samarecarm. Demons do whatever, human does something that gets reflected and causes them to suicide. The next human revives the first one, then does the same demons do whatever, human suicides thing. Since a character that's just been resurrected acts immediately after their reviver, this creates an infinite chain of revivals that keeps enemies from ever getting a turn.
** Overclocked adds in Extra Charge and Extra Savings, two moves that, when cracked, make the rest of the game a joke. Extra Charge doubles the damage of your attacks on Extra Turns, while Extra Savings reduces the cost down to zero. Combine the two with Magic Yin, and you can destroy nigh on everything in one turn while rarely ever needing to replenish your magic.
** Victory Cry, which is available only late-game, but replenishes 20% or your [=HP/MP=] after every fight. When you can replenish enough MP to cast one powerful spell (say, Holy Dance or Megidolaon) + one Prayer (full party heal) ''every single turn'', you know you're good to go.
GameBreaker: Listed [[GameBreaker/ShinMegamiTensei here]].
18th Jul '17 6:18:27 PM VeryMelon
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* MemeticMutation: [[http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2csz3hbi91r7lxcfo2_500.gif 1, 2, 3, 4! ICE DANCE!]]
1st May '17 9:11:28 PM Angeldeb82
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* AccidentalInnuendo: The game does this itself when describing the Gigolo in Naoya's profile as a "[[FlamboyantGay flamboyant man]]", immediately followed by "[[HoYay What could their relationship be?]]". The fact that Gigolo is [[spoiler: unambiguously revealed to be gay on one path]] doesn't help.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:

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* AccidentalInnuendo: The game does this itself when describing the Gigolo in Naoya's profile as a "[[FlamboyantGay "[[CampGay flamboyant man]]", immediately followed by "[[HoYay What could their relationship be?]]". be?]]" The fact that Gigolo is [[spoiler: unambiguously revealed to be gay on one path]] doesn't help.
* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/ShinMegamiTensei Check it out.]]



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/ShinMegamiTensei Check it out.]]
* DemonicSpider:

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: [[AwesomeMusic/ShinMegamiTensei Check it out.]]
* DemonicSpider:
DemonicSpiders:



* DracoInLeatherPants: Naoya created the demon summoning program, traps the protagonist and his friends in the lockdown, [[spoiler: is Cain]], is completely ruthless against anybody who stands against him in the Law or Inhuman Overlord path, and plans to [[spoiler: turn the protagonist into the King of Demons in order to start a war against God.]] Ask the fangirls, and Naoya is a huggable [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who can do no wrong, and is frequently [[HoYay slashed]] with the protagonist. [[UpdatedRerelease Overclocked]] elaborates on his history and presents him more sympathetically, but his more ambiguous actions during the lockdown are often swept under the rug by his fans.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Naoya created the demon summoning program, traps the protagonist and his friends in the lockdown, [[spoiler: is Cain]], is completely ruthless against anybody who stands against him in the Law or Inhuman Overlord path, and plans to [[spoiler: turn the protagonist into the King of Demons in order to start a war against God.]] God]]. Ask the fangirls, and Naoya is a huggable [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who can do no wrong, and is frequently [[HoYay slashed]] with the protagonist. [[UpdatedRerelease Overclocked]] elaborates on his history and presents him more sympathetically, but his more ambiguous actions during the lockdown are often swept under the rug by his fans.



** Pierce bypasses resistance to, nullification of, and draining of physical attacks, unless the demon's name starts with [[NighInvulnerable "Bel"]] and ends with [[GoddamnedBoss "dr"]]. Pair this up with Deathbound and you can demolish bosses that would otherwise make a physical assault hopeless, such as Belzeboul and [[spoiler:Naoya]].

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** Pierce bypasses resistance to, nullification of, and draining of physical attacks, unless the demon's name starts with [[NighInvulnerable [[NighInvulnerability "Bel"]] and ends with [[GoddamnedBoss "dr"]]. Pair this up with Deathbound and you can demolish bosses that would otherwise make a physical assault hopeless, such as Belzeboul and [[spoiler:Naoya]].



** Some player-created demon-skill combinations. For example, usually the biggest weakness of a SquishyWizard is their physical defense. No problem, pass on Phys Repel to one via fusion, and you now have a magic user that is practically immune to Phys attacks and also has high resistance to magic because of their stat focus. This allows demons of all kinds last a LOT longer past their normal practical use because of the skills you give them. This is easier still in Overclocked with the addition of the Demon Compendium. The only problem thus, [[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts is how deep your pockets go.]]

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** Some player-created demon-skill combinations. For example, usually the biggest weakness of a SquishyWizard is their physical defense. No problem, pass on Phys Repel to one via fusion, and you now have a magic user that is practically immune to Phys attacks and also has high resistance to magic because of their stat focus. This allows demons of all kinds last a LOT longer past their normal practical use because of the skills you give them. This is easier still in Overclocked with the addition of the Demon Compendium. The only problem problem, thus, [[AdamSmithHatesYourGuts is how deep your pockets go.]]go]].



** Beldr, particularly on a NewGamePlus. Hello, level 30-ish boss, eat my level-99 demons' Megidolaon! Oh wait [[NighInvulnerable I can't]], I have to [[spoiler:punch him with Devil's Fuge]]. While having certain races of demons (such as Kishin for [[ExtraTurn Double Up]]) can make the fight go faster, it's still a bit of a time-waster for those who are speeding through the game just to unlock more endings, since you can't just OneHitKill him like most other bosses in the game.

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** Beldr, particularly on a NewGamePlus. Hello, level 30-ish boss, eat my level-99 demons' Megidolaon! Oh wait [[NighInvulnerable [[NighInvulnerability I can't]], I have to [[spoiler:punch him with Devil's Fuge]]. While having certain races of demons (such as Kishin for [[ExtraTurn Double Up]]) can make the fight go faster, it's still a bit of a time-waster for those who are speeding through the game just to unlock more endings, since you can't just OneHitKill him like most other bosses in the game.



** Then there's the [[spoiler: microchips placed inside every electronic device in Tokyo, designed to all go off at the government's command, basically [[TheTokyoFireball turning the city into a giant microwave oven]].]] Once again, Atsuro is the one to find out this ''wonderful'' info. Now, read [[spoiler:the FCC compliance notice on the back of]] '''[[spoiler:YOUR DS]]''' [[spoiler:, if you live in the USA. "(2) [T]his device must accept any interference received,]] ''[[spoiler:including interference that may cause undesired operation."]]''

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** Then there's the [[spoiler: microchips placed inside every electronic device in Tokyo, designed to all go off at the government's command, basically [[TheTokyoFireball turning the city into a giant microwave oven]].]] oven]]]]. Once again, Atsuro is the one to find out this ''wonderful'' info. Now, read [[spoiler:the FCC compliance notice on the back of]] '''[[spoiler:YOUR DS]]''' [[spoiler:, of '''YOUR DS''', if you live in the USA. "(2) [T]his device must accept any interference received,]] ''[[spoiler:including received, ''including interference that may cause undesired operation."]]''operation''."]]



* ScrappyLevel:
** Any mission that involves keeping demons from one end of the map and/or keeping NPC teams from dying. "TheComputerIsACheatingBastard" goes without saying...
** Especially notable is [[spoiler: the second fight with Kudlak. Not only do you have to keep him from fleeing, but you have to make sure the [=NPCs=] in battle don't die, ''and'' a specific NPC [[OnlyICanKillHim has to land the ending blow]] or else it's heavily implied the character in question gets KilledOffForReal by her DemonicPossession. Not helping matters is the fact she averages roughly 30 damage at a time, whereas her target will knock her down to near-death ''every time''.]] Note that only the death of the [=NPCs=] results in a Game Over, but any of the undesired results may warrant resetting.



* SpiritualLicensee: Because of this being a {{Strategy RPG}} and the divisive teaser when it was first revealed, this is considered by some to be a much better ''[[VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem]]'' than the actual game itself.

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* SpiritualLicensee: SpiritualAdaptation: Because of this being a {{Strategy RPG}} StrategyRPG and the divisive teaser when it was first revealed, this is considered by some to be a much better ''[[VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem]]'' than the actual game itself.



** It takes a real dog to hold an entire city hostage, and seeing the people beg you to let them kill you so that they can go home hurts pretty bad. Hey, it's a [=MegaTen=] game: did you expect anything less from [[GodIsEvil God?]]

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** It takes a real dog to hold an entire city hostage, and seeing the people beg you to let them kill you so that they can go home hurts pretty bad. Hey, it's a [=MegaTen=] game: did you expect anything less from [[GodIsEvil God?]]{{God|IsEvil}}?



** Oh, Beldr… Really, any boss with [[ThemeNaming 'Bel' in their name]] counts, but Beldr is the first, and NighInvulnerable. And only one character in your entire party can even hit him. And he can raise his mooks from the dead. And his mooks heal him if you don't re-kill them fast enough.

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** Oh, Beldr… Beldr... Really, any boss with [[ThemeNaming 'Bel' in their name]] counts, but Beldr is the first, and NighInvulnerable.{{Nigh Invulnerab|ility}}le. And only one character in your entire party can even hit him. And he can raise his mooks from the dead. And his mooks heal him if you don't re-kill them fast enough.



* ThatOneLevel:
** Any mission that involves keeping demons from one end of the map and/or keeping NPC teams from dying. "TheComputerIsACheatingBastard" goes without saying...
** Especially notable is [[spoiler: the second fight with Kudlak. Not only do you have to keep him from fleeing, but you have to make sure the [=NPCs=] in battle don't die, ''and'' a specific NPC [[OnlyICanKillHim has to land the ending blow]] or else it's heavily implied the character in question gets KilledOffForReal by her DemonicPossession. Not helping matters is the fact she averages roughly 30 damage at a time, whereas her target will knock her down to near-death ''every time'']]. Note that only the death of the [=NPCs=] results in a Game Over, but any of the undesired results may warrant resetting.



** ''Especially'' [[spoiler: Honda]], and '''''even more so''''' in [[spoiler: Yuzu's 8th Day.]]

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** ''Especially'' [[spoiler: Honda]], and '''''even more so''''' in [[spoiler: Yuzu's 8th Day.]]Day]].
13th Sep '16 12:06:26 PM longWriter
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* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: There are battles where you are assisted by guest characters that are controlled by AI. If you're trying to Skill Crack a particular enemy, get more EXP and macca or just trying to keep your idiot allies alive (in battles with guest characters their deaths are an instant Game Over) you better get to enemy fast or this will get very annoying.



* StopHelpingMe: There are battles where you are assisted by guest characters that are controlled by AI. If you're trying to Skill Crack a particular enemy, get more EXP and macca or just trying to keep your idiot allies alive (in battles with guest characters their deaths are an instant Game Over) you better get to enemy fast or this will get very annoying.
13th Jul '16 7:37:42 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Yuzu tends to be divisive due to her character arc which involves escaping from the conflict. On the other hand, should the correct route be taken she gets better received. ''Overclock'' made things harder for her considering she had one of the weakest voice actors to some people.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Yuzu tends to be divisive due to her character arc which involves escaping from the conflict. On the other hand, should the correct route be taken she gets better received. ''Overclock'' made things harder for her considering she had one of the weakest voice actors to some people.



* SpiritualLicensee: Because of this being a {{Strategy RPG}} and the BaseBreaker of a teaser when it was first revealed, this is considered by some to be a much better ''[[VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem]]'' than the actual game itself.

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* SpiritualLicensee: Because of this being a {{Strategy RPG}} and the BaseBreaker of a divisive teaser when it was first revealed, this is considered by some to be a much better ''[[VideoGame/TokyoMirageSessionsFE Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem]]'' than the actual game itself.
16th Jun '16 10:04:11 PM Ramidel
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* IronWoobie: Keisuke [[spoiler:refuses to feel sorry for his ideals being cruelly subverted, despite suffering physical abuse and emotional torment as a result.]]

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* IronWoobie: IronWoobie:
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Keisuke [[spoiler:refuses to feel sorry for his ideals being cruelly subverted, despite suffering physical abuse and emotional torment as a result.]]]]
** Amane spends most of the game emotionally repressed, screwed over by her father and nearly consumed by a demon. Once the third problem is fixed, she goes right back to helping people and kicking demon ass.
16th Jun '16 9:57:17 PM Ramidel
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** God himself got this as well, being one of the more merciful depictions in [=MegaTen=]... until ''Overclocked'' anyway.

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** God himself got this as well, being one of the more merciful depictions in [=MegaTen=]... until ''Overclocked'' anyway.''Overclocked'', anyway, which just fed the flames further.
24th May '16 7:37:08 AM Materioptikon
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Added DiffLines:

** In the manga, Atsuro gets shattered by the revelation that Kaido, an AxCrazy DeathSeeker has come to understand his former best friend in a couple of minutes' meeting than he ever did in years. Kazuya gently telling him he does not have to force himself to smile after failing to avert Keisuke's death breaks his mask.
19th Apr '16 11:37:32 AM LucaEarlgrey
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** Beldr, particularly on a NewGamePlus. Hello, level 30-ish boss, eat my level-99 demons' Megidolaon! Oh wait [[NighInvulnerable I can't]], I have to [[spoiler:punch him with Devil's Fuge]]. While having certain races of demons (such as Kishin for [[ExtraTurn Double Up]]) can make the fight go faster, it's still a bit of a time-waster for those who are speeding through the game just to unlock more endings.

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** Beldr, particularly on a NewGamePlus. Hello, level 30-ish boss, eat my level-99 demons' Megidolaon! Oh wait [[NighInvulnerable I can't]], I have to [[spoiler:punch him with Devil's Fuge]]. While having certain races of demons (such as Kishin for [[ExtraTurn Double Up]]) can make the fight go faster, it's still a bit of a time-waster for those who are speeding through the game just to unlock more endings.endings, since you can't just OneHitKill him like most other bosses in the game.
17th Mar '16 8:40:23 PM Materioptikon
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* TheissTitillationTheory: Haru's clothing ''operates'' on this principle. Just look at her sprites and try to figure out how she ''isn't'' having a wardrobe malfunction every five seconds. [[spoiler:It's implied those ImpossiblyAwesomeClothes aren't hers for a start - they're Aya's.]] Yuzu also has this to a lesser extent.

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* TheissTitillationTheory: Haru's clothing ''operates'' on this principle. Just look at her sprites and try to figure out how she ''isn't'' having a wardrobe malfunction every five seconds. [[spoiler:It's implied those ImpossiblyAwesomeClothes ImpossiblyCoolClothes aren't hers for a start - they're Aya's.]] Yuzu also has this to a lesser extent.
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