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* ThemePairing: As mentioned above in ShipsThatPassInTheNight, Rouxls Kaard is sometimes paired with Mettaton (due to both of them being confident, bombastic characters that serve as recurring antagonists for the player) or Papyrus (as both are {{Large Ham}}s who are also rather bad puzzle-makers).

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* ThemePairing: As mentioned above in ShipsThatPassInTheNight, Rouxls Kaard is sometimes paired with Mettaton (due to both of them being confident, bombastic characters that serve as recurring antagonists for the player) or Papyrus (as both are {{Large Ham}}s who are also rather bad puzzle-makers).
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Fixing chained sinkholes.


** Despite her very small role in the main story of Chapter 2,[[note]]only appearing in one battle (discounting her dojo challenge spots in the epilogue) and being offhandedly mentioned in an optional conversation with Swatch[[/note]] [[CuteMachines Tasque]] [[RobotMaid Manager]] quickly gained her own set of fans after the game's release thanks to her soothing and sultry voice clips, her whip motif, and her comparatively curvy looks. Her popularity ended up rivaling Spamton, with fans describing her as [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} "Deltarune's Muffet"]].

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** Despite her very small role in the main story of Chapter 2,[[note]]only appearing in one battle (discounting her dojo challenge spots in the epilogue) and being offhandedly mentioned in an optional conversation with Swatch[[/note]] [[CuteMachines Tasque]] [[RobotMaid Tasque Manager]] quickly gained her own set of fans after the game's release thanks to her soothing and sultry voice clips, her whip motif, and her comparatively curvy looks. Her popularity ended up rivaling Spamton, with fans describing her as [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} "Deltarune's Muffet"]].



** The Swatchlings became this to the UsefulNotes/FurryFandom [[RatedMForManly to a rather big degree]] due to being canonical MrFanservice {{Battle Butler}}s with an {{Adorkable}} side. Likewise, head butler Swatch has also grown pretty popular for their handsome design, polite personality and alluded-to relations to Roulxs and Spamton.

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** The Swatchlings became this to the UsefulNotes/FurryFandom to [[RatedMForManly to a rather big degree]] due to being canonical MrFanservice {{Battle Butler}}s characterized in-game as MrFanservice workers with an {{Adorkable}} side.sides. Likewise, head butler Swatch has also grown pretty popular for their handsome design, polite personality and alluded-to relations to Roulxs and Spamton.



** The whole point of ''Deltarune'' is that "your choices don't matter" by turning your "choices" into {{subverted|Trope}} QuickTimeEvents, rendering it impossible to click X or Y decision. Why is that completely ignored when you enter the Light World? Is there any significance to it, or is it only because Toby wanted the players to be able to relax and dig up the lore of Hometown on their own without being forced to?

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** The whole point of ''Deltarune'' is that "your choices don't matter" by turning your "choices" into {{subverted|Trope}} QuickTimeEvents, QuickTimeEvents that quickly get {{subverted|Trope}}, rendering it impossible to click X or Y decision. Why is that completely ignored when you enter the Light World? Is there any significance to it, or is it only because Toby wanted the players to be able to relax and dig up the lore of Hometown on their own without being forced to?



** Who is the [[BigBad Knight]]? Is it [[EvilAllAlong Kris]], since they clearly opened a fountain in front of the player's eyes? Is it [[ChekhovsGunman The Vessel]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero we created]] at the intro sequence due to the Knight [[ItIsDehumanising being referred to using it pronouns]] and the visuals of the fountains resembling the background of the "Goner Maker"? Is it [[AdaptationalVillainy Undyne]], since she has the weapons, determination and escapism needed to both want to and actually make the fountains? Is it [[TheDogWasTheMastermind Father Alvin]], since he is clearly remoseful for using his father's hammer for something, and has the same ties to Holiness as the Knight? Is it [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Burgerpants]]?

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** Who is the [[BigBad Knight]]? Is it [[EvilAllAlong Kris]], since they clearly opened a fountain in front of the player's eyes? Is it [[ChekhovsGunman The Vessel]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Vessel we created]] at the intro sequence due to the Knight [[ItIsDehumanising being referred to using it it/its pronouns]] and the visuals of the fountains resembling the background of the "Goner Maker"? Is it [[AdaptationalVillainy Undyne]], since she has the weapons, determination and escapism needed to both want to and actually make the fountains? Is it [[TheDogWasTheMastermind Father Alvin]], since he is clearly remoseful for using his father's hammer for something, and has the same ties to Holiness as the Knight? Is it [[TheLastOfTheseIsNotLikeTheOthers Burgerpants]]?



** [[TheCaligula King]], the FinalBoss (of Chapter 1), is [[BestBossEver a challenging opponent]] to fight against in battle, and is shown to be [[WouldHurtAChild a horrible]] [[AbusiveParents father]] to [[OverlordJr Lan]][[MinionWithAnFInEvil cer]] right out of the gate. This makes his defeat very satisfying, especially after [[LaserGuidedKarma he's betrayed by his subjects]] in one of the endings. Even better, in the context of [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} its predecessor]] to some players, he's a huge breath of fresh air.

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** [[TheCaligula King]], the FinalBoss (of Chapter 1), is [[BestBossEver a challenging opponent]] to fight against in battle, and is shown to be [[WouldHurtAChild a horrible]] [[AbusiveParents a horrible father]] to [[OverlordJr Lan]][[MinionWithAnFInEvil cer]] Lancer]] right out of the gate. This makes his defeat very satisfying, especially after [[LaserGuidedKarma he's betrayed by his subjects]] in one of the endings. Even better, in the context of [[VideoGame/{{Undertale}} its predecessor]] to some players, he's a huge breath of fresh air.



** After Chapter 2 made a clearer distinction between Kris and the Player's SOUL, fans occasionally depict the SOUL as ''reveling'' in making Kris act out of character in minor ways. Examples include being forced to hug Ralsei when it's implied Kris is only lukewarm towards the fluffy prince at best, and bewildering them by [[RippleEffectProofMemory mentioning things from]] ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''.

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** After Chapter 2 made a clearer distinction between Kris and the Player's SOUL, fans occasionally depict the SOUL as ''reveling'' in making Kris act out of character in minor ways. Examples include being forced to hug Ralsei when it's implied Kris is only lukewarm towards the fluffy prince at best, and bewildering them by [[RippleEffectProofMemory mentioning things from]] things]] from ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}''.



** Jevil's playful and psychotic personality, as a MonsterClown with an insane bossfight, all lends to fandom portrayals of him as a twisted prankster, especially since fellow Shadow Crystal Holder Spamton canonically dreads and despises him.

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** Jevil's playful and psychotic personality, as a MonsterClown with an insane bossfight, boss fight, all lends to fandom portrayals of him as a twisted prankster, especially since fellow Shadow Crystal Holder Spamton canonically dreads and despises him.



** Lancer, for his [[CheerfulChild cheerful]] [[{{Keet}} personality]] and {{Cloudcuckoolander}} tendencies.

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** Lancer, for his [[CheerfulChild cheerful]] [[{{Keet}} cheerful personality]] and {{Cloudcuckoolander}} tendencies.



* NightmareRetardant: Invoked on the website with the "[[https://deltarune.com/sighting/ sighting]]" page made for the Spamton Sweepstakes, which shows a grainy, grayscale image straight out of some [=YouTube=] horror video thumbnail... of the Spamton plush sitting on a toilet. Made even better by the use of [[DroneOfDread "Digital Roots"]] and it zooming towards and away from the image as if trying to accentuate some disturbing hidden detail in it.

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* NightmareRetardant: Invoked on the website with the "[[https://deltarune.com/sighting/ sighting]]" page made for the Spamton Sweepstakes, which shows a grainy, grayscale image straight out of some [=YouTube=] horror video thumbnail... of the Spamton plush sitting on a toilet. Made even better by the use of [[DroneOfDread "Digital Roots"]] and it the camera zooming towards and away from the image as if trying to accentuate some disturbing hidden detail in it.



** Lancer is hardly what you'd consider traditionally cute; he has crooked teeth and his eyes are rarely visible (and when they are, he's [[https://66.media.tumblr.com/827407218a555aba15460b9418fb119e/tumblr_inline_phh87sfMd31w8rk4h_540.png not making a very cute face]], either). But he's still an {{adorkable}} CheerfulChild implied to be yearning for affection and approval, which makes him endearing to many fans. Not to mention, the way his tongue hangs out of his mouth may bring to mind either a puppy or a child making a raspberry.

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** Lancer is hardly what you'd consider traditionally cute; he has crooked teeth and his eyes are rarely visible (and when they are, he's [[https://66.media.tumblr.com/827407218a555aba15460b9418fb119e/tumblr_inline_phh87sfMd31w8rk4h_540.png not making a very cute face]], either). But he's still an {{adorkable}} quite {{adorkable}}, being a CheerfulChild implied to be yearning for affection and approval, which makes him endearing to many fans. Not to mention, the way his tongue hangs out of his mouth may bring to mind either a puppy or a child making a raspberry.
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* NightmareRetardant: Invoked on the website with the "[[https://deltarune.com/sighting/ sighting]]" page made for the Spamton Sweepstakes, which shows a grainy, grayscale image straight out of some [=YouTube=] horror video thumbnail... of the Spamton plush sitting on a toilet. Made even better by the video's ominous music and it zooming towards and away from the image as if trying to accentuate some disturbing hidden detail in it.

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* NightmareRetardant: Invoked on the website with the "[[https://deltarune.com/sighting/ sighting]]" page made for the Spamton Sweepstakes, which shows a grainy, grayscale image straight out of some [=YouTube=] horror video thumbnail... of the Spamton plush sitting on a toilet. Made even better by the video's ominous music use of [[DroneOfDread "Digital Roots"]] and it zooming towards and away from the image as if trying to accentuate some disturbing hidden detail in it.
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** Toby was initially uncertain about Spamton due to middling opinions about him by test players. Following the immense popularity he's received in the fanbase since the release of Chapter 2, Toby has given him a spotlight eclipsing almost all his other characters (even rivalling Sans) in terms of official acknowledgement, with Undertale's incredibly elaborate 7th anniversary sweepstakes being based entirely around him. Spamton may now very well be a BreakoutCharacter for the game as a whole.

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** Toby was initially uncertain about Spamton due to middling opinions about him by test players. Following the immense popularity he's received in the fanbase since the release of Chapter 2, Toby has given him a spotlight eclipsing almost all his other characters (even rivalling Sans) in terms of official acknowledgement, with Undertale's ''Undertale'''s incredibly elaborate 7th anniversary sweepstakes being based entirely around him. Spamton may now very well be a BreakoutCharacter for the game as a whole.

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* NightmareRetardant: Invoked on the website with the "[[https://deltarune.com/sighting/ sighting]]" page made for the Spamton Sweepstakes, which shows a grainy, grayscale image straight out of some [=YouTube=] horror video thumbnail... of the Spamton plush sitting on a toilet. Made even better by the video's ominous music and it zooming towards and away from the image as if trying to accentuate some disturbing hidden detail in it.



* PanderingToTheBase: Kris's one-time incident of eating moss while in prison is turned into a recurring joke by Chapter 2, with dialogue from Noelle even noting that Kris actually likes doing so. Susie's eating chalk also gets a few nods, to a much lesser extent.

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Kris's one-time incident of eating moss while in prison is turned into a recurring joke by Chapter 2, with dialogue from Noelle even noting that Kris actually likes doing so. Susie's eating chalk also gets a few nods, to a much lesser extent.extent.
** Toby was initially uncertain about Spamton due to middling opinions about him by test players. Following the immense popularity he's received in the fanbase since the release of Chapter 2, Toby has given him a spotlight eclipsing almost all his other characters (even rivalling Sans) in terms of official acknowledgement, with Undertale's incredibly elaborate 7th anniversary sweepstakes being based entirely around him. Spamton may now very well be a BreakoutCharacter for the game as a whole.
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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''VideoGame/TheHalloweenHack'', being another darker take on a prior work starring a shadowy-eyed knight, albeit one of Toby Fox's own this time, and one of its most major themes is [[ButThouMust forced progression]]. Fittingly, ''Deltarune'''s Chapter 1 demo was released on Halloween.
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we're a bit fuzzy on the actual intent of it, but given toby fox has stated that he loves yume nikki before (both in interviews and outright referencing it in halloween hack), this feels plausible ENOUGH

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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: The first five notes of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py0i3R3vuag Lost Girl]] bear more than a passing resemblance to the [[https://youtu.be/7LX4a7mprjY Martian Underground]] from ''VideoGame/YumeNikki''. Notably, the [[https://deltarune.com/dess/ version found during the Sweepstakes event]] in a different key seems to align it even ''more'' with the Martian Underground song.
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"Seems to have been confirmed" is still Speculative Troping, plus Example Indentation


*** The theory connecting Mike and the TV seems to have been confirmed as of the Spamton sweepstakes, where one of the final products to be revealed on the sweepstakes has a link to a page of Spamton ranting about Mike, accompanied by an image of the Dreemurr family's TV crossed out. In addition, the Fangamer Spamton Q&A has him refer to Mike as a "Cathode".
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No it doesn't, it shares nothing in common other than they both use a sega genesis-esqe soundfont, theres no musical similarity between the two at all.
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No it doesn't, it shares nothing in common other than they both use a sega genesis-esqye soundfont, theres no musical similarity between the two at all.


* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: [[https://tobyfox.bandcamp.com/track/rude-buster Rude Buster]] sounds very similar to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7725fAsg8kU&ab_channel=MaxieDaMan this fanmade Sonic theme]].
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*** The theory connecting Mike and the TV seems to have been confirmed as of the Spamton sweepstakes, where one of the final products to be revealed on the sweepstakes has a link to a page of Spamton ranting about Mike, accompanied by an image of the Dreemurr family's TV crossed out. In addition, the Fangamer Spamton Q&A has him refer to Mike as a "Cathode".
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** After the fandom found out about the Snowgrave route, Berdly the Defrosted (a.k.a. a version of Berdly where [[spoiler:he managed to survive Noelle freezing him to death, and becomes an {{Expy}} of Undyne the Undying as he's ready to face-off against the player for corrupting Noelle]]) became a popular idea among fans.

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** After the fandom found out about the Snowgrave route, Berdly the Defrosted (a.k.a. a version of Berdly where [[spoiler:he he managed to survive Noelle freezing him to death, and becomes an {{Expy}} of Undyne the Undying as he's ready to face-off against the player for corrupting Noelle]]) Noelle) became a popular idea among fans.
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** After the fandom found out about the Snowgrave route, Berdly the Defrosted (a.k.a. a version of Berdly where [[spoiler:he managed to survive Noelle freezing him to death, and becomes an {{Expy}} of [Undyne the Undying as he's ready to face-off against the player for corrupting Noelle]]) became a popular idea among fans.

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** After the fandom found out about the Snowgrave route, Berdly the Defrosted (a.k.a. a version of Berdly where [[spoiler:he managed to survive Noelle freezing him to death, and becomes an {{Expy}} of [Undyne Undyne the Undying as he's ready to face-off against the player for corrupting Noelle]]) became a popular idea among fans.
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** Many players got confused about Swatch's gender due to his androgynous design. A whole year after the second chapter's release, Spamton refers to him with he/him pronouns [[https://twitter.com/Fangamer/status/1571363913543061505 in a question on Fangamer's Spamton Q&A]], but before that, most people referred to him with they/them pronouns.

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** Many players got have gotten confused about Swatch's gender due to his androgynous design. A whole year after the second chapter's release, Spamton refers to him with he/him pronouns [[https://twitter.com/Fangamer/status/1571363913543061505 in a question on Fangamer's Spamton Q&A]], but before that, most people referred to him with they/them pronouns.
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** Many players got confused about Swatch's gender due to his androgynous design. A whole year after the second chapter's release, Spamton refers to him with he/him pronouns [[https://twitter.com/Fangamer/status/1571363913543061505 in a question on Fangamer's Spamton Q&A]], but before that, most people referred to him with they/them pronouns.
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** After the fandom found out about the Snowgrave route, Berdly the Defrosted (a.k.a. a version of Berdly where [[spoiler:he managed to survive Noelle freezing him to death, and becomes an {{Expy}} of [Undyne the Undying as he's ready to face-off against the player for corrupting Noelle]]) became a popular idea among fans.
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** Father Alvin, a minor hometown NPC, has started to gain large amounts of popularity due to his potential to be [[TheDogWasTheMastermind The Knight]].
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* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: [[https://tobyfox.bandcamp.com/track/rude-buster Rude Buster]] sounds very similar to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7725fAsg8kU&ab_channel=MaxieDaMan this fanmade Sonic theme]].
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A sizable chunk of fans headcanon Kris as autistic. This interpretation runs mainly off of a combination of their aloofness and social disconnect from their peers as the only human in a town of monsters, which is easy to read as an allegory for neurodivergence, their HeroicMime status, which resonates well with nonverbal and semi-verbal autistic fans, and their surprisingly in-depth enthusiasm for odd, niche subjects, which parallel autistic special interests.

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A sizable chunk of fans headcanon Kris as autistic. This interpretation runs mainly off of a combination of their aloofness and social disconnect from their peers as the only human in a town of monsters, which is easy to read as an allegory for neurodivergence, being neurodivergent in an otherwise neurotypical social environment, their HeroicMime status, which resonates well with nonverbal and semi-verbal autistic fans, and their surprisingly in-depth enthusiasm for odd, niche subjects, which parallel autistic special interests.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A sizable chunk of fans headcanon Kris as autistic. This interpretation runs mainly off of a combination of their aloofness and social disconnect from their peers as the only human in a town of monsters, which is easy to read as an allegory for neurodivergence, their HeroicMime status, which resonates well with nonverbal and semi-verbal autistic fans, and their surprisingly in-depth enthusiasm for odd, niche subjects, which parallel autistic special interests.
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This would go better on the YMMV page for Chapter 2.


*** Similarly, you ''will'' be torn apart by fans for suggesting that Noelle's corruption during said Weird Route was entirely Kris' fault, when it's actually [[YouBastard the fault of the player for choosing to go down the route in the first place.]]
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** Due to Susie's sprite in her introduction having her wearing ragged clothing, fitting her being TheBully, not having many feminine features, her hair [[BlindingBangs going past her eyes]] and her overall resemblance to [[Music/TheRamones Joey Ramone]], many initially confused Susie to be a long-haired guy.

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** Due to Susie's sprite in her introduction having her wearing ragged clothing, fitting her being TheBully, not having many feminine features, her hair [[BlindingBangs going past her eyes]] eyes and her overall resemblance to [[Music/TheRamones Joey Ramone]], many initially confused Susie to be a long-haired guy.
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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, [[RescuedFromScrappyHeap Berdly]] is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope. In fact, it is possible to [[KillItWIthIce kill Berdly with Snowgrave]], but doing so, you [[WhamEpisode will discover an alternate route of the chapter]] where [[AlasPoorScrappy he can never wake up]].

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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, [[RescuedFromScrappyHeap [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Berdly]] is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope. In fact, it is possible to [[KillItWIthIce kill Berdly with Snowgrave]], but doing so, you [[WhamEpisode will discover an alternate route of the chapter]] where [[AlasPoorScrappy he can never wake up]].
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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, [[TheScrappy Berdly]] is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope. Thanks to the [[FountainOfMemes Queen's]] [[TooFunnyToBeEvil comedic & memetic quirks]].

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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, [[TheScrappy [[RescuedFromScrappyHeap Berdly]] is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope. Thanks In fact, it is possible to [[KillItWIthIce kill Berdly with Snowgrave]], but doing so, you [[WhamEpisode will discover an alternate route of the [[FountainOfMemes Queen's]] [[TooFunnyToBeEvil comedic & memetic quirks]].chapter]] where [[AlasPoorScrappy he can never wake up]].



** When fans emphasize [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic how awesome the boss themes are]] in Chapter 2 (such as "Smart Race", "Attack Of The Killer Queen", or "BIG SHOT"), chances are, Jevil's battle theme, "THE WORLD REVOLVING", will be unfavorably compared to them.

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** When fans emphasize [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic how awesome the boss themes are]] in Chapter 2 (such as "Smart Race", "Attack Of The Killer Queen", "Knock You Down !!" or "BIG SHOT"), chances are, Jevil's battle theme, "THE WORLD REVOLVING", will be unfavorably compared to them.
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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, Berdly is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope. Thanks to the [[FountainOfMemes Queen's]] [[TooFunnyToBeEvil comedic & memetic quirks]].

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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, Berdly [[TheScrappy Berdly]] is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope. Thanks to the [[FountainOfMemes Queen's]] [[TooFunnyToBeEvil comedic & memetic quirks]].
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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, Berdly is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope.

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** Because he was conceived to be a condescending HateSink to everyone he meets, Berdly is this, [[AbhorrentAdmirer in-universe]] and out. His previous status as a BaseBreakingCharacter fandom made him reach this trope at a [[Memes/{{Deltarune}} memetic status]] ''the day the first chapter was published''. While Chapter 2 managed to give Berdly more sympathy and genuine fans, he's still a firm example of this trope. Thanks to the [[FountainOfMemes Queen's]] [[TooFunnyToBeEvil comedic & memetic quirks]].
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** A common complaint was how the PacifistRun adhered to the CrimeOfSelfDefense trope, requiring players to not attack creatures intent on murdering you. By comparison, ''Deltarune'' takes a more realistic approach, featuring enemies that can only be placated by tiring them out and casting a spell on them. Additionally, while winning fights through violence prevents enemies from being recruited, not much changes story-wise unless the player actively seeks out the Weird Route, which requires [[CorruptTheCutie a much more active]] and [[EarnYourBadEnding intentional]] form of villainy.

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** A common complaint was how the PacifistRun adhered to the CrimeOfSelfDefense trope, requiring players to not attack creatures intent on murdering you. By comparison, ''Deltarune'' takes a more realistic approach, featuring enemies that can only be placated by tiring them out and casting a spell on them. Additionally, while winning fights through violence prevents enemies from being recruited, doing so will not much changes story-wise cause the story to diverge from the Pacifist route like in ''Undertale'', unless the player actively seeks out the Weird Route, which requires [[CorruptTheCutie a much more active]] and [[EarnYourBadEnding intentional]] form of villainy.
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** The ''Undertale/Deltarune'' fandom is collectively referred to by some as "UTDR".

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Added this entry since people are still arguing about Kris even after it had to be addressed four times by the mod on the subreddit. Tried to write it as neutral as possible.

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** As with the prior game in regards to Frisk and Chara, there's been heavy debate over whether or not Kris is canonically nonbinary, arguably even more so given what's been shown in-game. One side says that the constant use of they/them pronouns by people who knew them their whole lives and Kris explicitly being shown to be their own character from the get-go is canon proof that they are, while the other side argues that it could just be a case of GenderNeutralWriting and that Kris being non-binary is only one interpretation among others. Some even argue that the pronouns for Kris is also a case of gender-neutral writing to make their [[AmbiguousGender gender ambiguous]] while others claim that it's not ambiguous and not using they/them would be misgendering Kris. Like before, some fans say that it's pointless trying to argue over their gender identity while others say that there's enough evidence to consider them canonically nonbinary, especially since nonbinary characters get little representation as is already. Whenever the topic is brought up, it can get pretty heated at best or turn into a FlameWar at worst.

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