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* NarmCharm: You would think that, given that half the Apes's dialogue is HulkSpeak delivered with NoIndoorVoice, the film would be hard to take seriously. However, the actors deliver it so effectively that it's convincing, and at times, terrifying.

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* NarmCharm: You would think that, given that half all of the Apes's spoken dialogue is HulkSpeak delivered with NoIndoorVoice, the film would be hard to take seriously. However, the actors deliver it so effectively that it's convincing, and at times, terrifying.



*** [[FridgeBrilliance Or, due to North Korea's strict border controls and totalitarian regime, the population was able to avoid infection.]]

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*** [[FridgeBrilliance Or, due to North Korea's strict border controls and totalitarian regime, perhaps the population was able to avoid infection.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it along with setting fire to the apes' camp.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts has two major points where the audience can say he crossed the line. The first example is this when [[spoiler:he badly injures shoots Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it along with setting fire to the apes' camp.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on camp]]. If anyone still had sympathy for him at that point, then the humans, killing many of them]]. However, second candidate he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others others, for refusing to follow his orders]].orders]].
* NarmCharm: You would think that, given that half the Apes's dialogue is HulkSpeak delivered with NoIndoorVoice, the film would be hard to take seriously. However, the actors deliver it so effectively that it's convincing, and at times, terrifying.



** Another, more subtle example occurs in the opening narration of the film. While the red dots on the globe are meant to represent the infected population, you can tell that it's just the light from cities overlaid with red due to NorthKorea being completely dark.
*** Although this Troper took that to mean that due to North Korea's strict border controls and totalitarian regime, the population was able to avoid infection.

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** Another, more subtle example occurs in the opening narration of the film. While the red dots on the globe are meant to represent the infected population, you can tell that it's just the light from cities overlaid with red due to NorthKorea UsefulNotes/NorthKorea being completely dark.
*** Although this Troper took that to mean that [[FridgeBrilliance Or, due to North Korea's strict border controls and totalitarian regime, the population was able to avoid infection.]]



* TheWoobie: The entire cast.

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* TheWoobie: The entire cast.cast.
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Ash is Rocket\'s son, not Koba\'s


* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it along with setting fire to the apes' camp.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes his son Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it along with setting fire to the apes' camp.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes his son Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].
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* JerkassWoobie: A lot of people see Koba as this in the beginning, especially when he reminds Caesar that humans are the reason why he looks so disfigured after they experimented on and tortured him for years. It isn't until later on (see below) that he pisses all his sympathetic qualities away due to his selfishness.
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***Although this Troper took that to mean that due to North Korea's strict border controls and totalitarian regime, the population was able to avoid infection.
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* EvenBetterSequel: General consensus among critics and audiences is that the film is even better than [[Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes its predecessor]], currently holding a 91% score on Website/RottenTomatoes. Some have made comparisons to ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Others have even proclaimed it the best movie of the summer, if not the entire year.

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* EvenBetterSequel: General consensus among critics and audiences is that the film is even better than [[Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes its predecessor]], currently holding a 91% score on Website/RottenTomatoes. Some have made comparisons compared it to ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/TheDarkKnight''.''Film/TheDarkKnight'' in this regard. Others have even proclaimed it the best movie of the summer, if not the entire year.
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* EvenBetterSequel: General consensus among critics and audiences is that the film is even better than [[Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes its predecessor]], currently holding a 91% score on Website/RottenTomatoes. Some have even proclaimed it the best movie of the summer, if not the entire year.

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* EvenBetterSequel: General consensus among critics and audiences is that the film is even better than [[Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes its predecessor]], currently holding a 91% score on Website/RottenTomatoes. Some have made comparisons to ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' and ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Others have even proclaimed it the best movie of the summer, if not the entire year.
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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it along with setting fire to the apes' camp.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it along with setting fire to the apes' camp.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes his son Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Aside from the above, the rest of the film's effects are absolutely fantastic, with the apes being that much more lifelike than the original film.
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Not really. Koba\'s not the only victim of scientific experiments that Caesar saved and they didn\'t become monsters. Even Maurice points out that he\'s only seen the bad in humans, just like Koba, but doesn\'t hate them. Caesar was right: \"Koba do this for Koba\" was Koba\'s entire creed.


* TheWoobie: The entire cast.
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Even Koba is not exempt from this. It is important to note that Koba is in fact a product of his upbringing, the same as Caesar is. Before he was given the gift of knowledge he'd spent his entire life being abused and tortured by humans. He does become a monster in the end, but you can argue that a lot of his paranoia was in some way justified.

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* TheWoobie: The entire cast.
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Even Koba is not exempt from this. It is important to note that Koba is in fact a product of his upbringing, the same as Caesar is. Before he was given the gift of knowledge he'd spent his entire life being abused and tortured by humans. He does become a monster in the end, but you can argue that a lot of his paranoia was in some way justified.
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* EvenBetterSequel: Some people have even called this one of the best movies of the year and started talking about a potential Best Picture nomination.

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* EvenBetterSequel: General consensus among critics and audiences is that the film is even better than [[Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes its predecessor]], currently holding a 91% score on Website/RottenTomatoes. Some people have even called this one of proclaimed it the best movies movie of the year and started talking about a potential Best Picture nomination. summer, if not the entire year.



* NightmareFuel: Koba has moments this, particularly when he gets violent and the look on his face in early scene he provokes Caesar into assaulting him.

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* NightmareFuel: Koba has moments this, particularly when he gets violent and the look on his face in early scene he provokes Caesar into assaulting him.Has [[NightmareFuel/DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes its own page]].



** NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: Regardless, this hasn't stopped the movie from getting a strong opening and better reviews than its predecessor.

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** NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: Regardless, this hasn't stopped This, however, didn't prevent the movie film from getting becoming a strong opening major critical and better reviews than its predecessor.commercial success.

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Just editing the irrelevant stuff out.


* TheWoobie: The entire cast aside from Koba. But why not? It is important to note that Koba is in fact a product of his upbringing, the same as Caesar is. Before he was given the gift of knowledge he'd spent his entire life being abused and tortured by humans. He does become a monster in the end, but you can argue that a lot of his paranoia was in some way justified.

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* TheWoobie: The entire cast aside cast.
** WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Even Koba is not exempt
from Koba. But why not? this. It is important to note that Koba is in fact a product of his upbringing, the same as Caesar is. Before he was given the gift of knowledge he'd spent his entire life being abused and tortured by humans. He does become a monster in the end, but you can argue that a lot of his paranoia was in some way justified.

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* TheWoobie: The entire cast aside from Koba.

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* TheWoobie: The entire cast aside from Koba. But why not? It is important to note that Koba is in fact a product of his upbringing, the same as Caesar is. Before he was given the gift of knowledge he'd spent his entire life being abused and tortured by humans. He does become a monster in the end, but you can argue that a lot of his paranoia was in some way justified.
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** Another, more subtle example occurs in the opening narration of the film. While the red dots on the globe are meant to represent the infected population, you can tell that it's just the light from cities overlaid with red due to NorthKorea being completely dark.
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* EvenBetterSequel: Some people have even called this movie one of the best of the year and talking about a potential Best Picture nomination.

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* EvenBetterSequel: Some people have even called this movie one of the best movies of the year and started talking about a potential Best Picture nomination.
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* EvenBetterSequel: Some people have even called this movie the best of the year.

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* EvenBetterSequel: Some people have even called this movie one of the best of the year.year and talking about a potential Best Picture nomination.
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** NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity: Regardless, this hasn't stopped the movie from getting a strong opening and better reviews than its predecessor.
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* EvenBetterSequel: Some people have even called this movie the best of the year.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: In a promotional interview for the film, Gary Oldman made a very poor choice of words while discussing the hypocrisy of political correctness in Hollywood, making it sound like he was supporting Mel Gibson and other celebrities who voice offensive opinions. After seeing it in print, he quickly realized how badly it came off and set about apologizing, saying he let down his responsibility to set a good example for his fans.

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* OvershadowedByControversy: In a promotional interview for the film, Gary Oldman made a very poor choice of words while discussing the hypocrisy of political correctness criticizing what he felt to be PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad in Hollywood, making it sound like he was supporting Mel Gibson and other celebrities who voice offensive opinions. After seeing it in print, he quickly realized how badly it came off and set about apologizing, saying he let down his responsibility to set a good example for his fans.

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it.it along with setting fire to the apes' camp.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].orders]].
* NightmareFuel: Koba has moments this, particularly when he gets violent and the look on his face in early scene he provokes Caesar into assaulting him.



* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, a digital grizzly bear at the beginning of the film looks quite bad.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, a digital grizzly bear at the beginning of the film looks quite bad.bad.
* TheWoobie: The entire cast aside from Koba.
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* SlidingScaleofRealisticVersusFantastic: Played with; despite the fact that the apes have evolved biologically over a decade, they're still grasping how to speak clearly, using HulkSpeak for emphasis and ASL otherwise. We also see that although the apes use their natural movements, they've already started walking on their hind legs.

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* SlidingScaleofRealisticVersusFantastic: SlidingScaleOfRealisticVersusFantastic: Played with; despite the fact that the apes have evolved biologically over a decade, they're still grasping how to speak clearly, using HulkSpeak for emphasis and ASL otherwise. We also see that although the apes use their natural movements, they've already started walking on their hind legs.
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* SlidingScaleofRealisticVersusFantastic: Played with; despite the fact that the apes have evolved biologically over a decade, they're still grasping how to speak clearly, using HulkSpeak for emphasis and ASL otherwise. We also see that although the apes use their natural movements, they've already started ''walking''.

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* SlidingScaleofRealisticVersusFantastic: Played with; despite the fact that the apes have evolved biologically over a decade, they're still grasping how to speak clearly, using HulkSpeak for emphasis and ASL otherwise. We also see that although the apes use their natural movements, they've already started ''walking''.walking on their hind legs.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: In a promotional interview for the film, Gary Oldman managed a very poor choice of words while discussing the hypocrisy of political correctness in Hollywood, making it sound like he was supporting Mel Gibson and other celebrities who voice offensive opinions. After seeing it in print, he quickly realized how badly it came off and set about apologizing, saying he let down his responsibility to set a good example for his fans.

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* OvershadowedByControversy: In a promotional interview for the film, Gary Oldman managed made a very poor choice of words while discussing the hypocrisy of political correctness in Hollywood, making it sound like he was supporting Mel Gibson and other celebrities who voice offensive opinions. After seeing it in print, he quickly realized how badly it came off and set about apologizing, saying he let down his responsibility to set a good example for his fans.

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* ForegoneConclusion: The film is extremely hopeful in both tone and message, suggesting that the apes and the humans can coexist peacefully and prevent any hostilities. However, given the source material as well as the fact that [[spoiler:Koba's work has already persuaded Dreyfus to wage war]], we can all see where this is going.



* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, a digital grizzly bear at the beginning of the film looks quite bad.
* ForegoneConclusion: The film is extremely hopeful in both tone and message, suggesting that the apes and the humans can coexist peacefully and prevent any hostilities. However, given the source material as well as the fact that [[spoiler:Koba's work has already persuaded Dreyfus to wage war]], we can all see where this is going.
* SlidingScaleofRealisticVersusFantastic: Played with; despite the fact that the apes have evolved biologically over a decade, they're still grasping how to speak clearly, using HulkSpeak for emphasis and ASL otherwise. We also see that although the apes use their natural movements, they've already started ''walking''.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, OvershadowedByControversy: In a digital grizzly bear at promotional interview for the beginning film, Gary Oldman managed a very poor choice of words while discussing the film looks quite bad.
* ForegoneConclusion: The film is extremely hopeful
hypocrisy of political correctness in both tone Hollywood, making it sound like he was supporting Mel Gibson and message, suggesting that the apes other celebrities who voice offensive opinions. After seeing it in print, he quickly realized how badly it came off and the humans can coexist peacefully and prevent any hostilities. However, given the source material as well as the fact that [[spoiler:Koba's work has already persuaded Dreyfus set about apologizing, saying he let down his responsibility to wage war]], we can all see where this is going.
set a good example for his fans.
* SlidingScaleofRealisticVersusFantastic: Played with; despite the fact that the apes have evolved biologically over a decade, they're still grasping how to speak clearly, using HulkSpeak for emphasis and ASL otherwise. We also see that although the apes use their natural movements, they've already started ''walking''.''walking''.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, a digital grizzly bear at the beginning of the film looks quite bad.
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* ForegoneConclusion: The film is extremely hopeful in both tone and message, suggesting that the apes and the humans can coexist peacefully and prevent any hostilities. However, given the source material as well as the fact that [[spoiler:Koba's work has already persuaded Dreyfus to wage war]], we can all see where this is going.

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* ForegoneConclusion: The film is extremely hopeful in both tone and message, suggesting that the apes and the humans can coexist peacefully and prevent any hostilities. However, given the source material as well as the fact that [[spoiler:Koba's work has already persuaded Dreyfus to wage war]], we can all see where this is going.going.
* SlidingScaleofRealisticVersusFantastic: Played with; despite the fact that the apes have evolved biologically over a decade, they're still grasping how to speak clearly, using HulkSpeak for emphasis and ASL otherwise. We also see that although the apes use their natural movements, they've already started ''walking''.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, a digital grizzly bear at the beginning of the film looks quite bad.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, a digital grizzly bear at the beginning of the film looks quite bad.bad.
* ForegoneConclusion: The film is extremely hopeful in both tone and message, suggesting that the apes and the humans can coexist peacefully and prevent any hostilities. However, given the source material as well as the fact that [[spoiler:Koba's work has already persuaded Dreyfus to wage war]], we can all see where this is going.
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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it.]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].orders]].
* SpecialEffectsFailure: The film packs truly incredible special effects. With that being said, a digital grizzly bear at the beginning of the film looks quite bad.
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That wasn\'t the MEH. It\'s in fact fairly debatable when he does it.


* MoralEventHorizon: Koba crosses it when [[spoiler:he shoots Caesar, and frames the humans for it.]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: It's hard to tell when Koba crosses it this. His decline starts when [[spoiler:he shoots badly injures Caesar, lies about his death and frames the humans for it.]]]] Another moment could be when he [[spoiler:leads an attack on the humans, killing many of them]]. However, he definitely crosses this when he [[spoiler:executes Ash, along with several others for refusing to follow his orders]].
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* MoralEventHorizon: Koba crosses it when [[spoiler:he shoots Caesar, and frames the humans for it.]]

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