History YMMV / DawnOfThePlanetOfTheApes

14th Aug '17 4:21:08 PM hopeshalllive
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** [[TheCaligulaKoba]] is also heavily similar to [[TheLionKingScar]] since both attempted to take control of the leadership of their various species by killing the current leader and manipulating their newphews into believing them. Also, Koba is shown to have followers who defected from Caesar after his death, much like the Outsiders.

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** [[TheCaligulaKoba]] [[TheCaligula Koba]] is also heavily similar to [[TheLionKingScar]] [[TheLionKing Scar]] since both attempted to take control of the leadership of their various species by killing the current leader and manipulating their newphews into believing them. Also, Koba is shown to have followers who defected from Caesar after his death, much like the Outsiders.
14th Aug '17 4:20:24 PM hopeshalllive
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** [[TheCaligulaKoba]] is also heavily similar to [[TheLionKingScar]] since both attempted to take control of the leadership of their various species by killing the current leader and manipulating their newphews into believing them. Also, Koba is shown to have followers who defected from Caesar after his death, much like the Outsiders.


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** Koba's chant of "Apes Together Strong" is very similar to the song "Lions Over All" in TheLionGuard. What just happens to be the name of one of the singers? Zira.
5th Aug '17 2:09:33 AM Retloclive
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: It's very easy to miss Rocket's existence in this film given how hard he got DemotedToExtra after he was basically Caesar's NumberTwo in ''Rise of the Planet of the Apes''. Thankfully, he returns to having some of the spotlight in ''War for the Planet of the Apes''.
3rd Aug '17 9:30:38 PM Daethalion
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* IdiotPlot: While it makes sense that there would be tension between the human survivors and the apes that (unintentionally) caused their downfall, the basic story of a human colony needing to establish good relations with the apes in order to provide for their community runs along fairly smoothly. The entire conflict is triggered by Carver being an irredeemable asshole and xenophobe, Malcolm being a terrible communicator to both the apes and his own boss, and Koba being lucky enough to find a pair of criminally incompetent guards who happen to be sitting in an otherwise undefended armory.

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* IdiotPlot: While it makes sense that there would be tension between the human survivors and the apes that (unintentionally) caused their downfall, the basic story of a human colony needing to establish good relations with the apes in order to provide for their community runs along fairly smoothly. The entire conflict is triggered by Carver being an irredeemable asshole and xenophobe, Malcolm being a terrible communicator to both the apes and continuously taking matters into his own boss, hands without explaining his intent, and Koba being lucky enough to find a pair of criminally incompetent guards who happen to be sitting in an otherwise undefended armory.
31st Jul '17 4:48:28 PM Daethalion
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* IdiotPlot: While it makes sense that there would be tension between the human survivors and the apes that (unintentionally) caused their downfall, the basic story of a human colony needing to establish good relations with the apes in order to provide for their community runs along fairly smoothly. The entire conflict is triggered by Carver being an irredeemable asshole and xenophobe, Malcolm being a terrible communicator to both the apes and his own boss, and Koba being lucky enough to find a pair of sloppily drunk guards who happen to be sitting in an otherwise undefended armory.

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* IdiotPlot: While it makes sense that there would be tension between the human survivors and the apes that (unintentionally) caused their downfall, the basic story of a human colony needing to establish good relations with the apes in order to provide for their community runs along fairly smoothly. The entire conflict is triggered by Carver being an irredeemable asshole and xenophobe, Malcolm being a terrible communicator to both the apes and his own boss, and Koba being lucky enough to find a pair of sloppily drunk criminally incompetent guards who happen to be sitting in an otherwise undefended armory.
31st Jul '17 12:22:47 PM Daethalion
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* IdiotPlot: While it makes sense that there would be tension between the human survivors and the apes that (unintentionally) caused their downfall, the basic story of a human colony needing to establish good relations with the apes in order to provide for their community runs along fairly smoothly. The entire conflict is triggered by Carver being an irredeemable asshole and xenophobe, Malcolm being a terrible communicator to both the apes and his own boss, and Koba being lucky enough to find a pair of sloppily drunk guards who happen to be sitting in an otherwise undefended armory.
29th Jul '17 3:46:18 PM HeyFella
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* CompleteMonster: [[ItsAllAboutMe Koba]] is a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic ape of the highest order]]. Initially loyal to Caesar, Koba is disgusted with the fact that Caesar would bring humans into their territory. After being told off by Caesar for the last time, Koba decides to betray his leader and take matters into his own hands. Displaying his callousness by murdering two helpless guards, Koba raids the armory of the human city, [[spoiler:returning to shoot Caesar and burns down his former home. Pinning the blame on the humans,]] Koba rallies the misguided apes into attacking San Francisco, slaughtering dozens of innocents. He doesn't tolerate being compared to Caesar: he demonstrates this by [[spoiler:[[KickTheDog cruelly tossing the the young Ash to his death]]]] when he refuses to kill defenseless people in Caesar's name. Upon [[TyrantTakesTheHelm taking over the city]], Koba imposes his rule on both humans and apes alike, trapping the humans in cages, imprisoning the apes still loyal to Caesar in chains, and turning the rest into fanatically loyal soldiers who are still under the impression Caesar is dead. When finally confronted by Caesar, Koba tries to savagely beat him to death with a metal bar, proclaiming that he is the stronger ape. When defeated, [[VillainousBreakdown Koba snaps and starts gunning down his former comrades, even as Caesar is trying to help them]]. Even though Koba had an [[FreudianExcuse excuse]] in the form of [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil science-related torture]], Koba was far from the only ape to have been tortured, and yet none of the others turned out evil. [[spoiler:Caesar ultimately decides it's perfectly reasonable to drop the traitorous bonobo to his death, stating that he is [[NoTrueScotsman "not ape."]]]] [[ItsAllAboutMe Selfish]] and brutal, Koba perfectly represented the savagery found in both humans and apes alike.

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* CompleteMonster: [[ItsAllAboutMe Koba]] is a [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenophobic ape of the highest order]]. Initially loyal to Caesar, Koba is disgusted with the fact that Caesar would bring humans into their territory. After being told off by Caesar for the last time, Koba decides to betray his leader and take matters into his own hands. Displaying his callousness by murdering two helpless guards, Koba raids the armory of the human city, [[spoiler:returning to shoot Caesar and burns down his former home. Pinning the blame on the humans,]] Koba rallies the misguided apes into attacking San Francisco, slaughtering dozens of innocents. He doesn't tolerate being compared to Caesar: he demonstrates this by [[spoiler:[[KickTheDog cruelly tossing the the young Ash to his death]]]] when he refuses to kill defenseless people in Caesar's name. Upon [[TyrantTakesTheHelm taking over the city]], Koba imposes his rule on both humans and apes alike, trapping the humans in cages, imprisoning the apes still loyal to Caesar in chains, and turning the rest into fanatically loyal soldiers who are still under the impression Caesar is dead. When finally confronted by Caesar, Koba tries to savagely beat him to death with a metal bar, proclaiming that he is the stronger ape. When defeated, [[VillainousBreakdown Koba snaps and starts gunning down his former comrades, even as Caesar is trying to help them]]. Even though Koba had an [[FreudianExcuse excuse]] in the form of [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil science-related torture]], Koba was far from the only ape to have been tortured, and yet none of the others turned out evil. [[spoiler:Caesar ultimately decides it's perfectly reasonable to drop the traitorous bonobo to his death, stating that he is [[NoTrueScotsman "not ape."]]]] [[ItsAllAboutMe Selfish]] and brutal, Koba perfectly represented the savagery found in both humans and apes alike.
22nd Jul '17 6:24:05 PM Isaac_Heller
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* CatharsisFactor: Koba [[spoiler: falls to his death, but the filmmakers, seemingly with this trope in mind, don't make it that simple for him and also have him crash into various things and have debris collapse on top of him ''while'' he's falling.]]
22nd Jul '17 1:48:17 PM TellAll111
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** To add further insult, the only reason he's brought along is because he [[InformedAbility apparently]] worked for the water company and is therefore best qualified to work on the dam. But when he's forbidden from reentering ape territory, the group manage to get the dam going without him. This means his role is merely reduced to being a belligerent {{Jerkass}} who's just there to raise tensions with only a modicum of the buildup and characterisation that Koba got.
16th Jul '17 6:42:49 PM Isaac_Heller
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* JerkassWoobie: A lot of people see Koba as this in the beginning, especially when he reminds Caesar that humans are the reason why he looks so disfigured after they experimented on and tortured him for years. It isn't until later on (see below) that he subverts a FreudianExcuse due to his selfishness.

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* JerkassWoobie: A lot of people see Koba as this in the beginning, especially when he reminds Caesar that humans are the reason why he looks so disfigured after they experimented on and tortured him for years. It isn't until later on (see below) that he subverts a FreudianExcuse due to his selfishness.selfishness and blatant hypocrisy (using "human work" to achieve his means, including against his fellow apes.)
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