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* BetterThanCanon: Kyle fanboys consider the dark side ending for ''Jedi Knight'' to be a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, though they understand why it cannot be canon.
** Similarly, the dark side ending for Jaden in ''Jedi Academy'' is actually preferred by a lot of fans. It's not that the light side ending is necessarily bad or that Jaden is an unliked character, but it just leaves the state of the galaxy in a more uncertain state without compromising the core characters of the series.
*** The preference for Jaden's dark side ending may also be due in part to the ''way'' he turns to the dark side: killing TheScrappy, Rosh.
*** And hey, you get to have a boss battle ''against'' Kyle Katarn, who remains an utter badass through it.
** Some Legends fans are already calling the ''Soldier for the Empire'' audio drama to be a superior story about the theft of the Death Star plans than ''Film/RogueOne''.
** Finn from the new trilogy is a reference to Katarn in canon as they are both traitor Stormtroppers, but many fans rather just have Katarn come back in some fashion or another regardless as to whether or not they like Finn.
** For that matter, it could be argued that Kyle does the "new heroes, even Jedi, can come from anybody" plot that ''Film/TheLastJedi'' was going for with Rey, even before ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' renders it an AbortedArc. Speaking of THAT, Kyle isn't treated as some amazing paragon who could represent all Jedi-hood, nor is even someone with a grand heritage[[note]]He certainly grew up in a pretty decent mansion, and his dad was a Force-sensitive who was friends with a Jedi, but he was still practically a nobody[[/note]]. Unlike Rey, Kyle actually ends up unwittingly and majorly screwing up and has to be bailed or pick himself back up, which is difficult to apply to Rey's own progression. Overall, despite being similar to Han, Kyle seems like much more of an ideal protagonist for a post-RotJ trilogy.

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* BetterThanCanon: BetterThanCanon:
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Kyle fanboys consider the dark side ending for ''Jedi Knight'' to be a SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome, though they understand why it cannot be canon.
** Similarly, the The dark side ending for Jaden in ''Jedi Academy'' is actually preferred by a lot of fans. It's not that the light side ending is necessarily bad or that Jaden is an unliked character, but it just leaves the state of the galaxy in a more uncertain state without compromising the core characters of the series.
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series. The preference for Jaden's dark side ending may also be due in part to the ''way'' he turns to the dark side: killing TheScrappy, Rosh.
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Rosh. And hey, you get to have a boss battle ''against'' Kyle Katarn, who remains an utter badass through it.
** Some Legends ''Legends'' fans are already calling the ''Soldier for the Empire'' audio drama to be a superior story about the theft of the Death Star plans than ''Film/RogueOne''.
** Finn from the new trilogy is a reference to Katarn in canon as they are both traitor Stormtroppers, Stormtroopers, but many fans would rather just have Katarn come back in some fashion or another regardless as to whether or not they like Finn.
** For that matter, it could be argued that Kyle does the "new heroes, even Jedi, can come from anybody" plot that ''Film/TheLastJedi'' was going for with Rey, even before ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' renders it an AbortedArc. Speaking of THAT, Kyle isn't treated as some amazing paragon who could represent all Jedi-hood, nor is even someone with a grand heritage[[note]]He certainly grew up in a pretty decent mansion, and his dad was a Force-sensitive who was friends with a Jedi, but he was still practically a nobody[[/note]]. Unlike Rey, Kyle actually ends up unwittingly and majorly screwing up and has to be bailed or pick himself back up, which is difficult to apply to Rey's own progression. Overall, despite being similar to Han, Kyle seems like much more of an ideal protagonist for a post-RotJ post-''Return of the Jedi'' trilogy.
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** Boc is probably the most unnerving of all of Jerec's followers in ''Jedi Knight''. Not only does he wield ''two'' lightsabers at once, but he jumps around so frantically (and so high) while fighting you that it's easy to get caught from behind. That, and he's definitely TheHyena of Jerec's crew, creepily giggling and cackling nonstop until you finally slaughter him - and even then, [[GoOutWithASmile he continues laughing until he finally chokes on his last breath]].

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** Boc is probably the most unnerving of all of Jerec's followers in ''Jedi Knight''. Not only does he wield ''two'' lightsabers at once, but he jumps around so frantically (and so high) while fighting you that it's easy to get caught from behind. That, and he's definitely TheHyena of Jerec's crew, creepily giggling and cackling nonstop until you finally slaughter him - and even then, [[GoOutWithASmile he continues laughing until he finally chokes on his last breath]].breath.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: As a miraluka, Jerec don’t have eyes, but we can clearly see his actor’s eyes through his mask in the cut-scenes.
** This is slightly forgivable as, at first, Jerec was simply a human who happened to be blind, and was later retconned into being a Miraluka

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* SpecialEffectFailure: As a miraluka, Miraluka, Jerec don’t have eyes, but we can clearly see his actor’s eyes through his mask in the cut-scenes.
** This is slightly forgivable as, at first, Jerec was simply a human who happened to be blind, and was later retconned into being a MiralukaMiraluka.
** And, end of the day, few if any would expect the actor to go EnforcedMethodActing and blind themselves by way of removing their eyes just for this one part.
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* HarsherInHindsight: In Jedi Academy, if Jaden [[spoiler: goes down the Dark Side, he'll kill Rosh and multiple Jedi students on his way to the tomb in Korriban. Much like how Kylo Ren had butchered Luke's students before ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' in the new canon.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: In Jedi Academy, if Jaden [[spoiler: goes down the Dark Side, he'll kill Rosh and multiple Jedi students on his way to the tomb in Korriban. Much like how Kylo Ren had butchered Luke's students before ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' in the new canon.]]Go [[HarsherInHindsight/StarWarsLegends here]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: Go [[HilariousInHindsight/StarWarsLegendshere]].

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* HilariousInHindsight: Go [[HilariousInHindsight/StarWarsLegendshere]].[[HilariousInHindsight/StarWarsLegends here]].

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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Kyle Katarn was considered the biggest badass in Star Wars lore. [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Then Revan came along.]] Both would be voiced by Creator/RinoRomano and Creator/JeffBennett.
** In ''Jedi Knights: Dark Forces II'' (1997), we are introduced to Maw, a Dark Jedi who survived [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe being cut in half]] using his [[ThePowerOfHate hate]]. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' (1999), we are introduced to (the somewhat similarly-named) Darth Maul, who supposedly died from getting cut in half. However, ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' Season 4 (2012) reveals that Darth Maul [[NotQuiteDead survived his bisection]] for the very same reasons Maw survived his.
** At end of ''Jedi Outcast'', Jan Ors mentions that Lando Calrissian owes her some credits over a bet. Over a decade later, Creator/VanessaMarshall (Jan's voice actress from that game) voices Hera Syndulla in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', said character meets Lando late in the first season and their first meeting ends with Lando owing Hera money.
** The name of the droid Kyle finds in his father's home? [[VideoGame/MarioIsMissing Weegee!]]
** [=8t88=]'s head falls from his body when Kyle finally catches up with him. [[VideoGame/TheCurseOfMonkeyIsland This isn't the last time Denny Delk would voice a character that would suffer this fate]].
** A major character played by an Asian woman. Many forget that Jan Ors beat ''Film/TheLastJedi'' to the punch by a full two decades.

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* HilariousInHindsight:
** Kyle Katarn was considered the biggest badass in Star Wars lore. [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Then Revan came along.]] Both would be voiced by Creator/RinoRomano and Creator/JeffBennett.
** In ''Jedi Knights: Dark Forces II'' (1997), we are introduced to Maw, a Dark Jedi who survived [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe being cut in half]] using his [[ThePowerOfHate hate]]. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' (1999), we are introduced to (the somewhat similarly-named) Darth Maul, who supposedly died from getting cut in half. However, ''[[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars The Clone Wars]]'' Season 4 (2012) reveals that Darth Maul [[NotQuiteDead survived his bisection]] for the very same reasons Maw survived his.
** At end of ''Jedi Outcast'', Jan Ors mentions that Lando Calrissian owes her some credits over a bet. Over a decade later, Creator/VanessaMarshall (Jan's voice actress from that game) voices Hera Syndulla in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', said character meets Lando late in the first season and their first meeting ends with Lando owing Hera money.
** The name of the droid Kyle finds in his father's home? [[VideoGame/MarioIsMissing Weegee!]]
** [=8t88=]'s head falls from his body when Kyle finally catches up with him. [[VideoGame/TheCurseOfMonkeyIsland This isn't the last time Denny Delk would voice a character that would suffer this fate]].
** A major character played by an Asian woman. Many forget that Jan Ors beat ''Film/TheLastJedi'' to the punch by a full two decades.
HilariousInHindsight: Go [[HilariousInHindsight/StarWarsLegendshere]].

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* MemeticBadass: Kyle Katarn made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs. On foot. The release of ''Film/RogueOne'' makes him even moreso this because compared to the ordeal that the Rogue One squad went through to steal the Death Star Plans, Kyle went in [[OneManArmy alone]] and stole the plans in about five minutes.

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* MemeticBadass: MemeticBadass:
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Kyle Katarn made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs. On foot. The release of ''Film/RogueOne'' makes him even moreso this because compared to the ordeal that the Rogue One squad went through to steal the Death Star Plans, Kyle went in [[OneManArmy alone]] and stole the plans in about five minutes.minutes.
** There are Chuck Norris style memes about Kyle, such as "Kyle Katarn is still canon because Disney don't dare to call him Legends".
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*** Oh, and it starts off with Kyle needing to stay incognito, meaning your Force powers are disabled and your lightsaber cannot be used immediately. It bears repeating: this is the first level after you get them, and the game STILL refuses to let you use them
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** In ''Jedi Academy'', one of the first tier levels involved Jaden crash landing on a planet infested with giant sand worms. Said worms are invincible and will gobble Jaden up in one gulp if they're on the sand. Only thing you can do is to try to avoid contact with the sand while collecting four ship parts, and some of them will be out in the open. You can distract the sandworms with thermal detonators ([[GuideDangIt which the game never tells you]]), but even that doesn't make the mission a whole lot more enjoyable.

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** In ''Jedi Academy'', one of the first tier levels involved Jaden crash landing on a planet infested with giant sand worms. Said worms are invincible and will gobble Jaden up in one gulp if they're on the sand. Only thing you can do is to try to avoid contact with the sand while collecting four ship parts, and some of them will be out in the open. You can distract the sandworms with thermal detonators ([[GuideDangIt which the game never tells you]]), but even that doesn't make the mission a whole lot more enjoyable.enjoyable (as you can't carry enough of them to kill all of them).
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** For that matter, it could be argued that Kyle does the "new heroes, even Jedi, can come from anybody" plot that ''Film/TheLastJedi'' was going for with Rey, even before ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' renders it an AbortedArc. Speaking of THAT, Kyle isn't treated as some amazing paragon who could represent all Jedi-hood, nor is even someone with a grand heritage. Unlike Rey, Kyle actually ends up unwittingly and majorly screwing up and has to be bailed or pick himself back up, which is difficult to apply to Rey's own progression. Overall, despite being similar to Han, Kyle seems like much more of an ideal protagonist for a post-RotJ trilogy.

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** For that matter, it could be argued that Kyle does the "new heroes, even Jedi, can come from anybody" plot that ''Film/TheLastJedi'' was going for with Rey, even before ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' renders it an AbortedArc. Speaking of THAT, Kyle isn't treated as some amazing paragon who could represent all Jedi-hood, nor is even someone with a grand heritage.heritage[[note]]He certainly grew up in a pretty decent mansion, and his dad was a Force-sensitive who was friends with a Jedi, but he was still practically a nobody[[/note]]. Unlike Rey, Kyle actually ends up unwittingly and majorly screwing up and has to be bailed or pick himself back up, which is difficult to apply to Rey's own progression. Overall, despite being similar to Han, Kyle seems like much more of an ideal protagonist for a post-RotJ trilogy.
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** For that matter, it could be argued that Kyle does the "new heroes, even Jedi, can come from anybody" plot that ''Film/TheLastJedi'' was going for with Rey, even before ''Film/TheRiseOfSkywalker'' renders it an AbortedArc. Speaking of THAT, Kyle isn't treated as some amazing paragon who could represent all Jedi-hood, nor is even someone with a grand heritage. Unlike Rey, Kyle actually ends up unwittingly and majorly screwing up and has to be bailed or pick himself back up, which is difficult to apply to Rey's own progression. Overall, despite being similar to Han, Kyle seems like much more of an ideal protagonist for a post-RotJ trilogy.
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** Finn from the new trilogy is a reference to Katarn in canon as they are both traitor Stormtroppers, but many fans rather just have Katarn come back in some fashion or another regardless as to whether or not they like Finn.
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** This is slightly forgivable as, at first, Jerec was simply a human who happened to be blind, and was later retconned into being a Miraluka
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* TheScrappy: Good luck finding anyone who likes Rosh Penin, Jaden's fellow trainee in ''Jedi Academy''. One of the reasons this game's Dark Side ending is so popular is that it is kicked off by Jaden finally killing the annoying bastard.
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** In ''Jedi Academy'', one of the first tier levels involved Jaden crash landing on a planet infested with giant sand worms. Said worms are invincible and will gobble Jaden up in one gulp if they're on the sand. Only thing you can do is to try to avoid contact with the sand while collecting four ship parts, and some of them will be out in the open.

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** In ''Jedi Academy'', one of the first tier levels involved Jaden crash landing on a planet infested with giant sand worms. Said worms are invincible and will gobble Jaden up in one gulp if they're on the sand. Only thing you can do is to try to avoid contact with the sand while collecting four ship parts, and some of them will be out in the open. You can distract the sandworms with thermal detonators ([[GuideDangIt which the game never tells you]]), but even that doesn't make the mission a whole lot more enjoyable.
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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The saga as a whole is fondly remembered as a series of excellent first person shooters with the addition of Force powers and lightsaber combat from ''Jedi Knight'' onwards being unique gameplay mechanics for the genre.

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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The saga as a whole is fondly remembered as a series of excellent first person shooters with the addition of Force powers and lightsaber combat from ''Jedi Knight'' onwards being unique gameplay mechanics for the genre.
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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The saga as a whole is fondly remembered as a series of excellent first person shooters with the addition of Force powers and lightsaber combat from ''Jedi Knight'' onwards being unique gameplay mechanics for the genre.
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** In ''Jedi Academy'', one of the first tier levels involved Jaden crash landing on a planet infested with giant sand worms. Said worms are invincible and will gobble Jaden up in one gulp if their on the sand. Only thing you can do is to try to avoid contact with the sand while collecting four ship parts, and some of them will be out in the open.

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** In ''Jedi Academy'', one of the first tier levels involved Jaden crash landing on a planet infested with giant sand worms. Said worms are invincible and will gobble Jaden up in one gulp if their they're on the sand. Only thing you can do is to try to avoid contact with the sand while collecting four ship parts, and some of them will be out in the open.
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** Jedi Knight includes the above mentioned [=AT-ST=] and also organic, dangerous enemies like the Kell Dragons, the Drugons and also the [[LizardFolk Trandoshan]] guards, armed with concussion rifles and rail detonators.

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** Jedi Knight includes the above mentioned [=AT-ST=] and also organic, dangerous enemies like the Kell Dragons, the Drugons and also the [[LizardFolk Trandoshan]] guards, armed with concussion rifles and rail detonators. Stormtroopers armed with Rail Detonators are also quite dangerous for the same reason as Trandoshans.
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** In Mysteries of the Sith, basically every enemy on [[SwampsAreEvil Dromund Kaas]] and in the Dark Force Temple are basically this. The fact that your weapons malfunction (except for the lightsaber) doesn't help. The Vornskr are particularly dangerous as they're [[LightningBruiser frighteningly fast, hit hard and will overwhelm you in seconds]], can interrupt your attacks, jump at you even if you attempt to use a ranged force power from a ledge, and even swim. Gammorean guards are particularly dangerous if they get into range, as their [[AnAxeToGrind axes]] will cut through your health rather quickly.
** Pretty much any enemy that uses melee attacks in Jedi Knight and Mysteries of the Sith since their attacks ignore your shields.

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** In Mysteries of the Sith, basically every enemy on [[SwampsAreEvil Dromund Kaas]] and in the Dark Force Temple are basically this. The fact that your weapons malfunction (except for the lightsaber) doesn't help. The Vornskr are particularly dangerous as they're [[LightningBruiser frighteningly fast, hit hard and will overwhelm you in seconds]], can interrupt your attacks, jump at you even if you attempt to use a ranged force power from a ledge, and even swim. Gammorean guards are particularly dangerous if they get into range, as their [[AnAxeToGrind axes]] will cut through your health rather quickly.\n
** Pretty much any enemy that uses melee attacks in Jedi Knight and Mysteries of the Sith since their attacks ignore your shields. Gammorean guards are particularly dangerous if they get into range, as their [[AnAxeToGrind axes]] will cut through your health rather quickly.
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** In Mysteries of the Sith, basically every enemy on [[SwampsAreEvil Dromund Kaas]] and in the Dark Force Temple are basically this. The fact that your weapons malfunction (except for the lightsaber) doesn't help. The Vornskr are particularly dangerous as they're [[LightningBruiser frighteningly fast, hit hard and will overwhelm you in seconds]], can interrupt your attacks, jump at you even if you attempt to use a ranged force power from a ledge, and even swim.

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** In Mysteries of the Sith, basically every enemy on [[SwampsAreEvil Dromund Kaas]] and in the Dark Force Temple are basically this. The fact that your weapons malfunction (except for the lightsaber) doesn't help. The Vornskr are particularly dangerous as they're [[LightningBruiser frighteningly fast, hit hard and will overwhelm you in seconds]], can interrupt your attacks, jump at you even if you attempt to use a ranged force power from a ledge, and even swim. Gammorean guards are particularly dangerous if they get into range, as their [[AnAxeToGrind axes]] will cut through your health rather quickly.
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** Jedi Knight includes the above mentioned [=AT-ST=] and also organic, dangerous enemies like the Kell Dragons, the Drugons and also the [[LizardFolk Trandoshan's ]] guards, armed with concussion rifles.

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** Jedi Knight includes the above mentioned [=AT-ST=] and also organic, dangerous enemies like the Kell Dragons, the Drugons and also the [[LizardFolk Trandoshan's ]] Trandoshan]] guards, armed with concussion rifles.rifles and rail detonators.
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** In ''Mysteries of the Sith'', Mailocs.
** In ''Outcast'', the mine crabs on Artus Prime.

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** In ''Mysteries of the Sith'', Mailocs. \n They're this way to a lesser extent in ''Jedi Knight'' as well, but at least in the base game you have the option of shooting them.
** In ''Outcast'', the mine crabs on Artus Prime. Lampshaded by Kyle when he asks how many of them are there.
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** In Mysteries of the Sith, basically every enemy on [[SwampsAreEvil Dromund Kaas]] and in the Dark Force Temple are basically this. The fact that your weapons malfunction (except for the lightsaber) doesn't help.

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** In Mysteries of the Sith, basically every enemy on [[SwampsAreEvil Dromund Kaas]] and in the Dark Force Temple are basically this. The fact that your weapons malfunction (except for the lightsaber) doesn't help. The Vornskr are particularly dangerous as they're [[LightningBruiser frighteningly fast, hit hard and will overwhelm you in seconds]], can interrupt your attacks, jump at you even if you attempt to use a ranged force power from a ledge, and even swim.
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** A major character played by an Asian woman. Many forget that Jan Ors beat ''Film/TheLastJedi'' to the punch by a full two decades.
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** Some more strident Legends fans are already calling the ''Soldier for the Empire'' audio drama to be a superior story about the theft of the Death Star plans than ''Film/RogueOne''.

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** Some more strident Legends fans are already calling the ''Soldier for the Empire'' audio drama to be a superior story about the theft of the Death Star plans than ''Film/RogueOne''.
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* MemeticBadass: Kyle Katarn made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs. On foot.

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* MemeticBadass: Kyle Katarn made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs. On foot. The release of ''Film/RogueOne'' makes him even moreso this because compared to the ordeal that the Rogue One squad went through to steal the Death Star Plans, Kyle went in [[OneManArmy alone]] and stole the plans in about five minutes.
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* TheScrappy: Rosh: his personality and carelessness, among other things[[spoiler:--such as the fact that the path to the dark side is to kill him--]]show that he may have been designed to [[IntendedAudienceReaction intentionally invoke the trope]]. [[spoiler: Runs into AlasPoorScrappy in the dark side ending, his death scene is oddly affecting.]]
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** Some more strident Legends fans are already calling the ''Soldier for the Empire'' audio drama to be a superior story about the theft of the Death Star plans than the upcoming Film/RogueOne.

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** Some more strident Legends fans are already calling the ''Soldier for the Empire'' audio drama to be a superior story about the theft of the Death Star plans than the upcoming Film/RogueOne.''Film/RogueOne''.
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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight'' and it's expansion were well received in the day. When ''Jedi Outcast'' came along, it improved a lot of the lightsaber and force mechanics, often seen as the best in the series.

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* EvenBetterSequel: ''Dark Forces'' was a well received title when it was released. Then ''Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight'' and it's expansion were well received in the day. When came along introducing lightsaber combat and being able to become a jedi. And on top of that is ''Jedi Outcast'' came along, Outcast'', where it improved a lot of the lightsaber and force mechanics, often seen as the best in the series.

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