History YMMV / CruelIntentions

25th Sep '17 10:03:45 AM N0na
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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been an accurate depiction of post-1950s New York high society. You should try visiting sometime. Oh, and as for Mrs. Caldwell, she was obviously a horrible racist and even more horrible at trying to hide it (that was kind of the whole point of the joke). Also, it was pretty obvious that her character had just "arrived" in New York society.

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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been an accurate depiction of post-1950s New York high society. You should try visiting sometime. Oh, and as for Mrs. Caldwell, she was obviously a horrible racist and even more horrible at trying to hide it (that was kind of the whole point of the joke). Also, it was pretty obvious that her character had just "arrived" in New York society.society, and her racism was a hilarious symptom of her own insecure social status.
25th Sep '17 10:01:18 AM N0na
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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been an accurate depiction of post-1950s New York high society. You should try visiting sometime.

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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been an accurate depiction of post-1950s New York high society. You should try visiting sometime. Oh, and as for Mrs. Caldwell, she was obviously a horrible racist and even more horrible at trying to hide it (that was kind of the whole point of the joke). Also, it was pretty obvious that her character had just "arrived" in New York society.
25th Sep '17 6:00:50 AM N0na
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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been an accurate post-1950s New York high society. You should try visiting sometime.

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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been an accurate depiction of post-1950s New York high society. You should try visiting sometime.
25th Sep '17 6:00:22 AM N0na
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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been post-1950s New York. You should try visiting sometime.

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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been an accurate post-1950s New York.York high society. You should try visiting sometime.
25th Sep '17 5:59:32 AM N0na
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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" is not and has never been post-1950s New York. You should try visiting sometime.

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** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" or "Real Housewives" is not and has never been post-1950s New York. You should try visiting sometime.
25th Sep '17 5:58:02 AM N0na
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* SparedByTheAdaptation: The ending of the stage musical parody ambiguously suggests that Sebastian faked his death to expose Kathryn.
** That's one possible interpretation. More likely, the actor steps out of character once he gets up and starts singing with the rest of the ensemble for the final bow.



* SparedByTheAdaptation: The ending of the stage musical parody ambiguously suggests that Sebastian faked his death to expose Kathryn.
** That's one possible interpretation. More likely, the actor steps out of character once he gets up and starts singing with the rest of the ensemble for the final bow.

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* SparedByTheAdaptation: The ending TwoDecadesBehind: Okay, so this is based on an 18th-century French novel. But it obviously takes place in the modern day (late 1990s) given [[SorryILeftTheBGMOn the music heard on the (in-universe) soundtrack]] and the technology present, which makes the elitist and borderline reclusive behavior of the stage musical parody ambiguously suggests that Sebastian faked his death to expose Kathryn.
** That's one possible interpretation. More likely,
upper-class characters - not commonly seen in American society since the actor steps mid-1950s or so - come off as slightly anachronistic. Not to mention Mrs. Caldwell's [[MalignedMixedMarriage disgust at race-mixing]], which is especially out of character once he gets up and starts singing for a sophisticated New Yorker in the late twentieth century.
** First of all, not sure where the SorryILeftTheBGMOn fits in
with this movie. Second, I think you're overestimating late-'90s technology. It certainly wasn't "modern" by any First-World standard today, which is why Sebastian's "email is for geeks and pedophiles" line is even funnier today because it was SO on point at the rest of the ensemble for the final bow.time. (When this movie premiered, if you were even reclusive enough to have an email address, it could only have ended in @aol.com, and your inbox was mostly filled with porn spam). Third, "Gossip Girl" is not and has never been post-1950s New York. You should try visiting sometime.
25th Sep '17 5:12:05 AM N0na
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** I guess you could call it a "weird transitory period" in that calling someone a "fag" or a "queer" was definitely not OK, but coming out of the closet was decidely even worse, as you were seen as "asking for it."

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** I guess you could call it a "weird transitory period" in that calling someone a "fag" or a "queer" was definitely not OK, but coming out of the closet was decidely decidedly even worse, as you were seen as "asking for it."
25th Sep '17 5:11:28 AM N0na
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** I graduated from high school in 2004 in Southern California. Believe me, it was not a "weird transitory period." If you dared to come out of the closet back then, you'd better have learned how to fight and prepared to defend yourself to the principal, and maybe even the police, when you were the one who got labeled the trouble-maker. (I got suspended once just for wearing black nail polish during my "goth" phase. And yes, this was a public school, not a private religious school or anything like that.) My mind is still blown by how far LGBT rights have come as the 2010s are about to turn into the 2020s. Anyway, I think both Sebastian and Kathryn's gay slurs were more a reflection of their mean-spirited personalities in general, as opposed to any actual prejudice held against any sexual orientation. Furthermore, I believe "Cruel Intentions" would still be essentially the same movie if it were made today. Clearly, it was very self-aware of its own blatant political incorrectness and played it for laughs in typical black comedy style. Hell, it's not called "Cruel Intentions" for nothing.

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** I graduated from high school in 2004 in Southern California. Believe me, it was not a "weird transitory period." If you dared to come out of the closet back then, you'd better have learned how to fight and prepared to defend yourself to the principal, and maybe even the police, when you were the one who got labeled the trouble-maker. (I got suspended once just for wearing black nail polish during my "goth" phase. And yes, this was a public school, not a private religious school or anything like that.) My mind is still blown by how far LGBT rights have come as the 2010s are about to turn into the 2020s. Anyway, I think both Sebastian and Kathryn's gay slurs were more a reflection of their mean-spirited personalities in general, as opposed to any actual prejudice held against any sexual orientation. (I mean, most other '90s teen movies didn't go there.) Furthermore, I believe "Cruel Intentions" would still be essentially the same movie if it were made today. Clearly, it was very self-aware of its own blatant political incorrectness and played it for laughs in typical black comedy style. Hell, it's not called "Cruel Intentions" for nothing.nothing.
** I guess you could call it a "weird transitory period" in that calling someone a "fag" or a "queer" was definitely not OK, but coming out of the closet was decidely even worse, as you were seen as "asking for it."
25th Sep '17 5:02:32 AM N0na
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** I graduated from high school in 2004 in Southern California. Believe me, it was not a "weird transitory period." If you dared to come out of the closet back then, you'd better have learned how to fight and prepared to defend yourself to the principal, and maybe even the police, when you were the one who got labeled the trouble-maker. My mind is still blown by how far LGBT rights have come as the 2010s are about to turn into the 2020s. Anyway, I think both Sebastian and Kathryn's gay slurs were more a reflection of their mean-spirited personalities in general, as opposed to any actual prejudice held against any sexual orientation. Furthermore, I believe "Cruel Intentions" would still be essentially the same movie if it were made today. Clearly, it was very self-aware of its own blatant political incorrectness and played it for laughs in typical black comedy style. Hell, it's not called "Cruel Intentions" for nothing.

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** I graduated from high school in 2004 in Southern California. Believe me, it was not a "weird transitory period." If you dared to come out of the closet back then, you'd better have learned how to fight and prepared to defend yourself to the principal, and maybe even the police, when you were the one who got labeled the trouble-maker. (I got suspended once just for wearing black nail polish during my "goth" phase. And yes, this was a public school, not a private religious school or anything like that.) My mind is still blown by how far LGBT rights have come as the 2010s are about to turn into the 2020s. Anyway, I think both Sebastian and Kathryn's gay slurs were more a reflection of their mean-spirited personalities in general, as opposed to any actual prejudice held against any sexual orientation. Furthermore, I believe "Cruel Intentions" would still be essentially the same movie if it were made today. Clearly, it was very self-aware of its own blatant political incorrectness and played it for laughs in typical black comedy style. Hell, it's not called "Cruel Intentions" for nothing.
25th Sep '17 4:59:47 AM N0na
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* TearsOfRemorse: [[spoiler: Kathryn]] at the end of the film, once she [[spoiler: is exposed as the manipulative bitch she is and, upon reading about herself in Sebastian's published journal, she finally seems to grasp how messed up a person she is. Also, Sebastian wrote of her as being "my true love" despite all her faults, making her feel guilty about her indirect role in his death.]]
** Or she was simply crying because her life was essentially ruined after being publicly exposed.
* SparedByTheAdaptation: The ending of the stage musical parody ambiguously suggests that Sebastian faked his death to expose Kathryn.
** That's one possible interpretation. More likely, the actor steps out of character once he gets up and starts singing with the rest of the ensemble for the final bow.



** Similarly, he points out that Sebastian is supposed to be more sympathetic and likable than his literary counterpart, but that his act of sex toward Cecile ''still'' qualifies as rape, and that society has become more of acknowledging of this in the past fifteen years.

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** Similarly, he points out that Sebastian is supposed to be more sympathetic and likable than his literary counterpart, but that his act of sex toward Cecile ''still'' qualifies as rape, and that society has become more of acknowledging of this in the past fifteen years.years.
** I graduated from high school in 2004 in Southern California. Believe me, it was not a "weird transitory period." If you dared to come out of the closet back then, you'd better have learned how to fight and prepared to defend yourself to the principal, and maybe even the police, when you were the one who got labeled the trouble-maker. My mind is still blown by how far LGBT rights have come as the 2010s are about to turn into the 2020s. Anyway, I think both Sebastian and Kathryn's gay slurs were more a reflection of their mean-spirited personalities in general, as opposed to any actual prejudice held against any sexual orientation. Furthermore, I believe "Cruel Intentions" would still be essentially the same movie if it were made today. Clearly, it was very self-aware of its own blatant political incorrectness and played it for laughs in typical black comedy style. Hell, it's not called "Cruel Intentions" for nothing.
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