History YMMV / CiaphasCain

16th Mar '17 10:23:00 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain is sent in to fight only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little. They get their DayInTheLimelight in ''Death or Glory''.

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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain is sent in to fight only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little. They get their DayInTheLimelight in ''Death or Glory''. In the beginning of that book he mentions that Orks are considered a bit if a joke in-universe... but then he notices the veterans are taking the threat very seriously indeed.
9th Feb '17 5:27:14 PM StarSword
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Skillfully averted. WarIsHell, but Sandy Mitchell humanizes it so that you actually care (see for example the sequence in ''Death or Glory'' where Cain enters a town orks have passed through), and the humor in the series offsets the grimdark nicely.



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: If you read in continuity order; an InternalHomage in publication order. In ''Death or Glory'', Jurgen is [[HardHead mostly uninjured by a blow to the head]], and Cain says, "It would probably take a bolter shell to crack that thick skull of his." In ''For the Emperor'', Jurgen's skull is fractured near-fatally by...a bolter shell that glances off his helmet.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: If you read in continuity order; an InternalHomage a CallForward in publication order. In ''Death or Glory'', Jurgen is [[HardHead mostly uninjured by a blow to the head]], and Cain says, "It would probably take a bolter shell to crack that thick skull of his." In ''For the Emperor'', Jurgen's skull is fractured near-fatally by... a bolter shell that glances off his helmet.



* IronWoobie: Issues of self-esteem are the least of humanity's worries in the Warhammer 40K universe and so it's never emphasized in the books, but Cain has enough trust issues and paranoia to disturb [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]], and a self-esteem so low that it should be measured in the negative. He goes through his entire life convinced that no one could or should care for him personally, unable to connect with people on any meaningful level, unable to ever credit that he's a remotely decent person or so much as pat himself on the back for the ''billions'' of lives he saves, and terrified to trust anyone with his thoughts, lest he be shot for cowardice and deceit. The closest this ever gets to a LampshadeHanging is when, at their second meeting, Amberly gently implies that she isn't fooled by his facade and suggests that he could try being himself. He practically shits his pants thinking that she's a psyker and is going to have him killed, and he never actually takes her into his confidence even after a century of romance. That's ''sad.''

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* IronWoobie: Issues of self-esteem are the least of humanity's worries in the Warhammer 40K universe and so it's never emphasized in the books, but Cain has enough trust issues and paranoia to disturb [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]], and a self-esteem so low that it should be measured in the negative. He goes through his entire life convinced that no one could or should care for him personally, unable to connect with people on any meaningful level, unable to ever credit that he's a remotely decent person or so much as pat himself on the back for the ''billions'' of lives he saves, and terrified to trust anyone with his thoughts, lest he be shot for cowardice and deceit. The closest this ever gets to a LampshadeHanging is when, at their second meeting, Amberly Amberley gently implies that she isn't fooled by his facade and suggests that he could try being himself. He practically shits his pants thinking that she's a psyker and is going to have him killed, and he never actually takes her into his confidence even after a century of romance. That's ''sad.''



25th Dec '16 4:04:07 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly likely to blow itself up and destroy a good chunk of it's own army. Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.

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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly likely to blow itself up and destroy a good chunk of it's own army.army (not actually that common, but more common than it doing something useful). Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.
14th Nov '16 8:38:53 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly likely to blow itself up and destroy a good chunk of it's own army. Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.
17th Jun '16 12:18:58 PM MattStriker
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* {{Squick}}: The Mechanicus genestealer-breeding experiments in ''The Greater Good'' (where convicts are implied to have been forcibly impregnated by infected test subjects) are squicky enough to visibly disturb a visiting ''Tau''.
9th Jan '16 4:27:42 PM KristophGavinYes
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* MemeticMutation: One of the few memes originating from Wiki/TVTropes: it has become tradition to write '''[[FakeUltimateHero HERO OF THE]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrinkingGame/TVTropesWiki?from=Main.TVTropesDrinkingGame IMPERIUM]]''' after Cain's name whenever he appears on another page.

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* MemeticMutation: One of the few memes originating from Wiki/TVTropes: it has become tradition to write '''[[FakeUltimateHero HERO OF THE]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrinkingGame/TVTropesWiki?from=Main.TVTropesDrinkingGame [[TVTropesWikiDrinkingGame IMPERIUM]]''' after Cain's name whenever he appears on another page.
9th Jan '16 4:26:41 PM KristophGavinYes
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* MemeticMutation: One of the few memes originating from Wiki/TVTropes: it has become tradition to write '''[[FakeUltimateHero HERO OF THE IMPERIUM]]''' after Cain's name whenever he appears on another page.

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* MemeticMutation: One of the few memes originating from Wiki/TVTropes: it has become tradition to write '''[[FakeUltimateHero HERO OF THE THE]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrinkingGame/TVTropesWiki?from=Main.TVTropesDrinkingGame IMPERIUM]]''' after Cain's name whenever he appears on another page.
4th Sep '15 6:11:10 PM StarSword
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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain is sent in to fight only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little.

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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain is sent in to fight only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little. They get their DayInTheLimelight in ''Death or Glory''.
4th Sep '15 6:10:45 PM StarSword
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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain finds (only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little.

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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain finds (only is sent in to fight only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little.
26th Dec '14 2:23:38 PM GrantMK2
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot / WhatCouldHaveBeen: Fairly early in "The Greater Good", Tau ambassador El'hassai suggests an exchange of observers between the allied Imperial and Tau forces and suggests Cain to be the human representative in the Tau fleet. Instead of agreeing and the book being about Cain fighting alongside the Tau, he nominates ambassador Donali to go instead and sticks with the Imperial force for the rest of the book. As a result, the scene on the cover of Cai back-to-back with a Fire Warrior facing down a swarm of Tyranids [[CoversAlwaysLie never happens]] and the Tau go on to play almost no part in the rest of the story.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot / WhatCouldHaveBeen: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Fairly early in "The Greater Good", Tau ambassador El'hassai suggests an exchange of observers between the allied Imperial and Tau forces and suggests Cain to be the human representative in the Tau fleet. Instead of agreeing and the book being about Cain fighting alongside the Tau, he nominates ambassador Donali to go instead and sticks with the Imperial force for the rest of the book. As a result, the scene on the cover of Cai back-to-back with a Fire Warrior facing down a swarm of Tyranids [[CoversAlwaysLie never happens]] and the Tau go on to play almost no part in the rest of the story.
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