History YMMV / CiaphasCain

28th Aug '17 6:41:02 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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26th Aug '17 9:33:27 PM SithkingZero
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the novel "Caves of Ice," Cain makes reference to a myth going around that at the dawn of the forty-second millenium, the Emperor would get up off his throne and resume command of the Imperium. This was released in 2004. 13 years later, Eighth Edition has just been released and while the Emperor did not get off the Throne, His son, Roboute Guilliman, ''has.''
2nd May '17 3:51:13 PM StarSword
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** Similarly, it is possible to interpret Cain's monogamy after getting involved with Amberley as simply his self-defense instincts kicking in: "When dating an Inquisitor, it ain't over till ''she'' says it's over!" (His comment about only having room in his life for one lethally dangerous woman comes to mind.)



** It ''is'' possible to interpret his monogamy post-''For The Emperor'' as simply his self-defense instincts kicking in: "When dating an Inquisitor, it ain't over till ''she'' says it's over!" (His comment about only having room in his life for one lethally dangerous woman comes to mind.)
28th Apr '17 8:35:32 PM Rothul
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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly likely to blow itself up and destroy a good chunk of it's own army (not actually that common, but more common than it doing something useful). Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.

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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly more likely to blow up itself up and destroy (and a good huge chunk of it's own army (not actually that common, but more common its allies) than it doing something useful).anything useful. Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.
16th Mar '17 10:23:00 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain is sent in to fight only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little. They get their DayInTheLimelight in ''Death or Glory''.

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** The Orks are a more... interesting case. While they are more often than not the "Original Antagonists" that Cain is sent in to fight only to later stumble upon the real threat (Necrons or Tyranids), they ''are'' considered the comic relief army in 40K, and the 597th are considered experts at fighting Orks, so it gets played with a little. They get their DayInTheLimelight in ''Death or Glory''. In the beginning of that book he mentions that Orks are considered a bit if a joke in-universe... but then he notices the veterans are taking the threat very seriously indeed.
9th Feb '17 5:27:14 PM StarSword
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Skillfully averted. WarIsHell, but Sandy Mitchell humanizes it so that you actually care (see for example the sequence in ''Death or Glory'' where Cain enters a town orks have passed through), and the humor in the series offsets the grimdark nicely.



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: If you read in continuity order; an InternalHomage in publication order. In ''Death or Glory'', Jurgen is [[HardHead mostly uninjured by a blow to the head]], and Cain says, "It would probably take a bolter shell to crack that thick skull of his." In ''For the Emperor'', Jurgen's skull is fractured near-fatally by...a bolter shell that glances off his helmet.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: If you read in continuity order; an InternalHomage a CallForward in publication order. In ''Death or Glory'', Jurgen is [[HardHead mostly uninjured by a blow to the head]], and Cain says, "It would probably take a bolter shell to crack that thick skull of his." In ''For the Emperor'', Jurgen's skull is fractured near-fatally by... a bolter shell that glances off his helmet.



* IronWoobie: Issues of self-esteem are the least of humanity's worries in the Warhammer 40K universe and so it's never emphasized in the books, but Cain has enough trust issues and paranoia to disturb [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]], and a self-esteem so low that it should be measured in the negative. He goes through his entire life convinced that no one could or should care for him personally, unable to connect with people on any meaningful level, unable to ever credit that he's a remotely decent person or so much as pat himself on the back for the ''billions'' of lives he saves, and terrified to trust anyone with his thoughts, lest he be shot for cowardice and deceit. The closest this ever gets to a LampshadeHanging is when, at their second meeting, Amberly gently implies that she isn't fooled by his facade and suggests that he could try being himself. He practically shits his pants thinking that she's a psyker and is going to have him killed, and he never actually takes her into his confidence even after a century of romance. That's ''sad.''

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* IronWoobie: Issues of self-esteem are the least of humanity's worries in the Warhammer 40K universe and so it's never emphasized in the books, but Cain has enough trust issues and paranoia to disturb [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]], and a self-esteem so low that it should be measured in the negative. He goes through his entire life convinced that no one could or should care for him personally, unable to connect with people on any meaningful level, unable to ever credit that he's a remotely decent person or so much as pat himself on the back for the ''billions'' of lives he saves, and terrified to trust anyone with his thoughts, lest he be shot for cowardice and deceit. The closest this ever gets to a LampshadeHanging is when, at their second meeting, Amberly Amberley gently implies that she isn't fooled by his facade and suggests that he could try being himself. He practically shits his pants thinking that she's a psyker and is going to have him killed, and he never actually takes her into his confidence even after a century of romance. That's ''sad.''



25th Dec '16 4:04:07 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly likely to blow itself up and destroy a good chunk of it's own army. Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.

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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly likely to blow itself up and destroy a good chunk of it's own army.army (not actually that common, but more common than it doing something useful). Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.
14th Nov '16 8:38:53 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* TakeThatScrappy: In ''The Last Ditch'' the Tyranids deploy a number of Pyrovores, a notoriously badly designed unit which is highly likely to blow itself up and destroy a good chunk of it's own army. Cain exploits this fact by killing them when they're near the Hive Tyrant, and they end up winning the deciding battle of the war for the Imperium.
17th Jun '16 12:18:58 PM MattStriker
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* {{Squick}}: The Mechanicus genestealer-breeding experiments in ''The Greater Good'' (where convicts are implied to have been forcibly impregnated by infected test subjects) are squicky enough to visibly disturb a visiting ''Tau''.
9th Jan '16 4:27:42 PM KristophGavinYes
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* MemeticMutation: One of the few memes originating from Wiki/TVTropes: it has become tradition to write '''[[FakeUltimateHero HERO OF THE]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrinkingGame/TVTropesWiki?from=Main.TVTropesDrinkingGame IMPERIUM]]''' after Cain's name whenever he appears on another page.

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* MemeticMutation: One of the few memes originating from Wiki/TVTropes: it has become tradition to write '''[[FakeUltimateHero HERO OF THE]] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DrinkingGame/TVTropesWiki?from=Main.TVTropesDrinkingGame [[TVTropesWikiDrinkingGame IMPERIUM]]''' after Cain's name whenever he appears on another page.
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