History YMMV / Castlevania

5th Sep '17 4:17:31 AM Luigifan
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** Similarly, ''Music/NinjaSexParty''s Starbomb album has Belmont as a party crasher who always shows up and ruins Dracula's get-togethers.

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** The actual skit portrays the werewolves and Dracula as thoroughly underestimating the whip... right up until Simon starts hitting them with it.
** Similarly, ''Music/NinjaSexParty''s ''Music/NinjaSexParty''[='=]s Starbomb album has Belmont as a party crasher who always shows up and ruins Dracula's get-togethers.



** Whether or not Castlevania deserves to be part of the namesake {{Metroidvania}}. Some fans feel that since Metroid came first, games in the subgenre should just be called "Metroid-inspired". Others feel that Castlevania has refined the formula in its own way to be unique from Metroid.
*** Since then the term "Igavania" has come into use to some degree, mainly as a more accurate (IGA was the one to make the subgenre) and lawsuit-safe.
** The previous broken bases, the original fans, the IGA fans,and the ''Lords of Shadows'' fans have [[EnemyMine joined forces]] to [[InternetBackdraft bash]] on Konami for the Pachislot and Pachinko machines as of late, due to their heavy focus on {{Fanservice}} and the cancellation of other types of Castlevania games[[note]]Mind you, the previous pachinko iterations didn't cause any problems because they were in development alongside other games, came with new music and weren't full of scantily clad women[[/note]].

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** Whether or not Castlevania ''Castlevania'' deserves to be part of the namesake {{Metroidvania}}. Some fans feel that since Metroid ''Metroid'' came first, games in the subgenre should just be called "Metroid-inspired". Others feel that Castlevania has refined the formula in its own way to be unique from Metroid.
*** Since then then, the term "Igavania" has come into use to some degree, mainly as a more accurate (IGA was the one to make the subgenre) and lawsuit-safe.
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** The previous broken bases, bases -- the original fans, the IGA fans,and fans, and the ''Lords of Shadows'' fans -- have [[EnemyMine joined forces]] to [[InternetBackdraft bash]] on Konami for the Pachislot and Pachinko machines as of late, due to their heavy focus on {{Fanservice}} and the cancellation of other types of Castlevania games[[note]]Mind you, the previous pachinko iterations didn't cause any problems because they were in development alongside other games, came with new music music, and weren't full of scantily clad women[[/note]].



** Also, in ''Dracula X Chronicles'', [[spoiler:Annette turns into a cleavage-sporting vampire if you fail to rescue her.]]

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** Also, in ''Dracula X Chronicles'', [[spoiler:Annette turns into a cleavage-sporting vampire if you fail to rescue her.]]her]].



** {{Creator/Patrick Seitz}} playing Dracula (from ''The Dracula X Chronicles'' and beyond) in a series that heavily references ''{{Manga/Jojos Bizarre Adventure}}''. He was later cast in the 2012 anime adaptation as Dio Brando, ''[=JJBA=]'' 's main vampire antagonist. What a horrible night to be a Joestar...

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** {{Creator/Patrick Seitz}} playing Dracula (from ''The Dracula X Chronicles'' and beyond) in a series that heavily references ''{{Manga/Jojos Bizarre Adventure}}''. He was later cast in the 2012 anime adaptation as Dio Brando, ''[=JJBA=]'' 's ''[=JJBA=]''[='=]s main vampire antagonist. What a horrible night to be a Joestar...



** An infamous ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' cover, created to promote ''Simon's Quest'', depicts Simon holding Dracula's severed head. Coupled with the fact that he's the first Belmont and one of few to take on Dracula by himself, twice, it easy to see where it comes from.

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** An infamous ''Magazine/NintendoPower'' cover, created to promote ''Simon's Quest'', depicts Simon holding Dracula's severed head. Coupled with the fact that he's the first Belmont and one of few to take on Dracula by himself, twice, it it's easy to see where it comes from.



** The DS titles weren't the first to use a bishoujo-influenced art style, that honor goes to Rondo of Blood. The reception was different due to Rondo being pre-SotN and looking to be the start of a new generation of the series.
* ScapegoatCreator: In certain fan circles, particularly the Castlevania Dungeon forums, Iga is blamed for almost everything wrong with series.

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** The DS titles weren't the first to use a bishoujo-influenced art style, that honor goes to Rondo ''Rondo of Blood. Blood''. The reception was different due to Rondo being pre-SotN pre-[=SotN=] and looking to be the start of a new generation of the series.
* ScapegoatCreator: In certain fan circles, particularly the Castlevania Dungeon forums, Iga is blamed for almost everything wrong with the series.



* ToughActToFollow: Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night are the most consistently praised, both by critics and fans. The latter for codifying the {{Metroidvania}} style the series would adopt as the standard, and the former for perfecting the stage-based progression with alternate paths and bosses, many secrets, a second playable character, and introducing the Item Crash mechanic. While Classic-style games all but ceased after Symphony's release, it's understandable it's considered the peak of linear gameplay. Symphony on the other hand despite having many followup entries that improved its formula and gameplay over time, can't seem to get out of its shadow. Critically, only Order of Eclesia managed to come close.
* ToyShip: Carrie and Malus in ''Castlevania 64'', Maria and Eric Lecarde in ''Judgment''. The former can get a bit twisted since Malus is [[spoiler: Dracula in disguise]].

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* ToughActToFollow: Rondo ''Rondo of Blood Blood'' and Symphony ''Symphony of the Night Night'' are the most consistently praised, both by critics and fans. The latter for codifying the {{Metroidvania}} style the series would adopt as the standard, and the former for perfecting the stage-based progression with alternate paths and bosses, many secrets, a second playable character, and introducing the Item Crash mechanic. While Classic-style games all but ceased after Symphony's ''Symphony''[='=]s release, it's understandable it's considered the peak of linear gameplay. Symphony Symphony, on the other hand hand, despite having many followup entries that improved its formula and gameplay over time, can't seem to get out of its shadow. Critically, only Order ''Order of Eclesia Ecclesia'' managed to come close.
* ToyShip: Carrie and Malus in ''Castlevania 64'', Maria and Eric Lecarde in ''Judgment''. The former can get a bit twisted since Malus is [[spoiler: Dracula [[spoiler:Dracula in disguise]].


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** It's entirely possible that he's so damn powerful that sunlight can't hurt him unless he's already had the crap beaten out of him first. Though that's more WMG territory.
26th Aug '17 9:53:38 PM Scabbard
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* MisBlamed: Heavily debated, but generally the accusations that IGA is sexist, mostly for removing Sonia and ''Castlevania Legends'' from continuity (He said he found it unrealistic for a female warrior [[ValuesDissonance that far in the past]] to be accepted and trained). Not helped by his clumsy explanation when interviewed by EGM and asked whether fans could expect a female protagonist at some point in the future: [[note]]Order of Ecclesia and his upcoming independent SpiritualSuccessor BloodstainedRitualOfTheNight, made after this interview, both have female protagonists[[/note]]

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* MisBlamed: Heavily debated, but generally the accusations that IGA is sexist, mostly for removing Sonia and ''Castlevania Legends'' from continuity (He (he said he found it unrealistic for a female warrior [[ValuesDissonance that far in the past]] to be accepted and trained). Not helped by his clumsy explanation when interviewed by EGM and asked whether fans could expect a female protagonist at some point in the future: [[note]]Order of Ecclesia and his upcoming independent SpiritualSuccessor BloodstainedRitualOfTheNight, made after this interview, both have female protagonists[[/note]]
26th Aug '17 9:49:14 PM Scabbard
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Parodied in ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken''. A sketch shows Simon Belmont arriving at Dracula's castle. Two werewolves very politely invite him in, only for Simon to start whipping them, then runs off to whip more monsters, who also just wanted to accommodate their guest. Simon then enters Dracula's room, and whips Dracula (Who is huddling in fear on the floor in bat form) repeatedly while the werewolves from earlier watch in horror.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Parodied in ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken''. A sketch shows Simon Belmont arriving at Dracula's castle. Two werewolves very politely invite him in, only for Simon to start whipping them, then runs off to whip more monsters, who also just wanted to accommodate their guest. Simon then enters Dracula's room, and whips Dracula (Who (who is huddling in fear on the floor in bat form) repeatedly while the werewolves from earlier watch in horror.
17th Aug '17 1:57:56 PM ReiKusanagi
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*** Since then the term "Igavania" has come into use to some degree, mainly as a more accurate (IGA was the one to make the subgenre) and lawsuit-safe.



* FirstInstallmentWins: ''Symphony of the Night'' is near-universally regarded as the best Metroidvania in the series, despite it having been released in 1997 and with many games following after that attempting to emulate its style.

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* FirstInstallmentWins: ''Symphony of the Night'' is near-universally regarded as the best Metroidvania in the series, despite it having been released in 1997 and with many games following after that attempting to emulate its style. style, and some actually making improvements.



** The DS titles weren't the first to use a bishoujo-influenced art style, that honor goes to Rondo of Blood.

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** The DS titles weren't the first to use a bishoujo-influenced art style, that honor goes to Rondo of Blood. The reception was different due to Rondo being pre-SotN and looking to be the start of a new generation of the series.
17th Jul '17 12:59:04 PM DracoKanji
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** [[spoiler:Dracula could just be strong enough to shrug off sunlight unless he's taken substantial damage beforehand.]]
13th Jul '17 12:02:59 AM 4444jdm
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** Most fans (i.e. fans of both) seem to hate ''Lords of Shadow'', or vice versa. Reasonably, ''Lords of Shadow'' fans hate the original timeline for confusing storylines and not deep-enough plot.

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** Most fans (i.e. fans of both) seem to hate ''Lords of Shadow'', or vice versa. Reasonably, ''Lords of Shadow'' fans hate the original timeline (both original and IGA titles) for confusing storylines and not deep-enough plot.
12th Jul '17 11:43:44 PM 4444jdm
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** Most fans (i.e. fans of both) seem to hate ''Lords of Shadow''.

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** Most fans (i.e. fans of both) seem to hate ''Lords of Shadow''. Shadow'', or vice versa. Reasonably, ''Lords of Shadow'' fans hate the original timeline for confusing storylines and not deep-enough plot.
12th Jul '17 11:14:52 AM Larkmarn
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* {{Anvilicious}}: The Church is evil and so is everyone associated with it, m'kay? Somewhat TruthInTelevision, as the upper echelons of the Church ''were'' corrupt back then. With that said, Blue Fangs claims that God is actually disgusted by the Bishop's actions.
** It should be noted, however, in spite of the Belmonts being exiled by that time in canon, they didn't lose faith and still used holy weapons. In the adaptation, Trevor seems to acknowledge that God is a great force against evil, [[CorruptChurch even if the same can't be said for his most vocal followers]]. Thankfully, right around the time Christian viewers might be questioning whether they should start getting offended by the awful portrayal of their faith so far, [[OneSceneWonder one nameless priest]] steps up in episode 4 who is [[GoodShepherd a genuinely good and noble servant of God]], and ends up being integral to saving the day by providing holy water against the horde when they attack the town of Griset once again. Trevor even says outright that he needs a priest who was "properly'' ordained," which implies that the priests serving the Bishop were little more than armed thugs that he 'deputized' by dressing them as priests and little else.
** Also worth noting is that the setting of the story enables the Church to be as LawfulStupid as it is. The setting is in 1476, when religious power was high, combined with a fantasy setting where monsters and demons are a known occurrence. The Church is able to get away with its heinous actions claimed in the name of God because the people around the area have nothing else to believe in, nor much education in the sciences to counter said claims.
* ArcFatigue: The prolonged Speakers vs. the CorruptChurch subplot, which occupies the majority of the second and third episodes and is one of the more criticized aspects for slowing the pacing significantly.
* AwesomeArt: Unlike Frederator's other projects like ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', ''Castlevania'' adopts an {{Animesque}} aesthetic to fit with being an adaptation of a Japanese video game. It works.
* CounterpartComparison: Some people compare Trevor to [[Anime/JojosBizarreAdventure Joseph Joestar]] due to both being the descendants of a noble lineage of vampire killers who happen to be huge {{Combat Pragmatist}}s with a penchant for snarky commentary.
* {{Narm}}:
** In the first episode, when Dracula starts ranting to Alucard about Lisa's murder, it becomes difficult to take the scene seriously, what with the poorly-drawn fangs in Dracula's mouth that stick out as though someone glued toothpicks to his gums. Not helping is Graham [=McTavish=] using a very similar voice to Dante from ''VideoGame/DantesInferno'' for this scene, whose love of ChewingTheScenery is extraordinary.
** Blue Fangs saying [[spoiler: "Let me kiss you." right before killing the Bishop]]. While it sort of works with the demon's speech beforehand, it still comes across as awkward instead of menacing.
* NauseaFuel: Given that the show is amping up to be ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' and ''Manga/{{Gantz}}'' in terms of blood, gore, and visceral imagery, this is to be expected. A specific example is the scene where Dracula unleashes the hordes of Hell on a town, complete with the demons literally ripping people apart.
* OneSceneWonder: In the season 1 finale, a Catholic priest who is actually ''good'' instead of a two-dimensional villain makes holy water that helps defend the town against attacks from Dracula's minions. It makes sense, too, as Trevor's call was for a priest who was properly ordained, which implies that the others were just armed thugs the Bishop dressed in cassocks to enforce his will on the city.
* ItsShortSoItSucks: A common complain among viewers, even among people who liked it, was that the first season was too short, being only 4-episodes long with 20 minutes each (not counting intro and credits). Producers have acknowledged it and promised that the next season will have more episodes.
* SlowPacedBeginning: There's quite a lot of exposition in the first season, with the first two episodes mostly being dedicated to WorldBuilding. The third episode picks up about halfway through and the fourth is almost entirely action, making up for this.
* SpiritualAdaptation: A lot of fans of ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' would consider this to be a better adaptation of its themes than the [[Anime/Berserk2016 official anime released in 2016]].
* VideoGameMoviesSuck: Averted with the first season, which got fairly good reviews. Praise came for the character of Trevor Belmont being delightful as a snarky asshole, for making Dracula sympathetic instead of a GenericDoomsdayVillain, and the action scenes being very intense, with high praise going to the demons descending and Trevor versus Alucard in episode 4.
* WhatAnIdiot: Pretty much the entire population of Wallachia. Dracula ''explicitly'' told them that he would come for them in one year after they burned Lisa at the stake. And what did they do? They ''held a celebration to commemorate her death.'' Needless to say, the Prince of Darkness was ''not'' amused. In the people's defense, the people of the capital weren't at the burning, and only got what was likely a ''very'' biased report from the Bishop. What ''was'' stupid, however, was holding that celebration on what seemed to be the ''assumption'' that nothing was going to happen, especially considering the day wasn't even over yet. The most generous interpretation of their actions is that maybe they think "well, if we made it a year, then we're home free" but even that is a weak defense.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Is it an animated series based off a game that was commonly enjoyed by kids, and animated by a studio known for making kid shows? Yes. Is it actually for kids? '''''Absolutely not.''''' It is far too dark and bloody to be for kids, with the producer Adi Shankar comparing it to ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and calling it "R-rated as fuck". The first episode opens with ''with thousands of impaled skeletons,'' and goes on to show a woman burned at the stake with her charred body crumbling away, an entire city being wiped out by demons, [[BestialityIsDepraved and two men talking about how the first one happened upon a man screwing one of his goats.]]
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12th Jul '17 10:42:02 AM Larkmarn
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* WhatAnIdiot: Pretty much the entire population of Wallachia. Dracula ''explicitly'' told them that he would come for them in one year after they burned Lisa at the stake. And what did they do? They ''held a celebration to commemorate her death.'' Needless to say, the Prince of Darkness was ''not'' amused. In the people's defense, the people of the capital weren't at the burning, and only got what was likely a ''very'' biased report from the Bishop. What ''was'' stupid, however, was holding that celebration on what seemed to be the ''assumption'' that nothing was going to happen, especially considering the day wasn't even over yet.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Pretty much the entire population of Wallachia. Dracula ''explicitly'' told them that he would come for them in one year after they burned Lisa at the stake. And what did they do? They ''held a celebration to commemorate her death.'' Needless to say, the Prince of Darkness was ''not'' amused. In the people's defense, the people of the capital weren't at the burning, and only got what was likely a ''very'' biased report from the Bishop. What ''was'' stupid, however, was holding that celebration on what seemed to be the ''assumption'' that nothing was going to happen, especially considering the day wasn't even over yet. The most generous interpretation of their actions is that maybe they think "well, if we made it a year, then we're home free" but even that is a weak defense.



* XMeetsY: Imagine ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' (especially the OVA version ''Anime/HellsingUltimate'') meets ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' with ''Castlevania'' characters.
11th Jul '17 11:35:59 PM AlleyOop
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* ArcFatigue: The prolonged Speakers vs. the CorruptChurch subplot, which occupies the majority of the second and third episodes and drags on more than necessary.

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* ArcFatigue: The prolonged Speakers vs. the CorruptChurch subplot, which occupies the majority of the second and third episodes and drags on is one of the more than necessary. criticized aspects for slowing the pacing significantly.
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