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* UnfortunateImplications: Following in line with other legacy heroes, Marvel received praise for their decision to "promote" ComicBook/CarolDanvers into being the new Captain Marvel. This eventually [[http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-unfortunate-and-obscure-history-of-monica-rambeau-1726108988 lead to]] [[http://www.avclub.com/article/marvel-learned-wrong-lessons-carol-corps-218003 criticism ]] of Marvel putting ComicBook/MonicaRambeau, a Black woman who once had the title, out of focus to prop up Carol.
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* CrazyAwesome: Insane Genis-Vell for some. After [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity losing his mind to his Cosmic Awareness,]] he killed a sociopath hiding in plain sight by making him explode, conquered entire races by himself, punched his father’s former mentor to death and looted his corpse for his armor, entered Shi’ar, and later Skrull and Kree warships, and curbstomped them, came back from the dead, destroyed the universe by chaining and crushing Eternity to death and brought it back after shooting Entropy in the face.

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* CrazyAwesome: CrazyIsCool: Insane Genis-Vell for some. After [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity losing his mind to his Cosmic Awareness,]] he killed a sociopath hiding in plain sight by making him explode, conquered entire races by himself, punched his father’s former mentor to death and looted his corpse for his armor, entered Shi’ar, and later Skrull and Kree warships, and curbstomped them, came back from the dead, destroyed the universe by chaining and crushing Eternity to death and brought it back after shooting Entropy in the face.
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** With Monica, it mostly stems from her not getting a chance to have her own title. Some fans were simply interested in seeing where the writers would go while trying to create challenges for a someone moving at light speed in the form of light on the electromagnetic spectrum who also had military discipline, in stories that could have unexplored extra dimensional angles. Many of these fans think Genis and Phyla were contrived and unnecessary characters. Genis and Phyla do have their fans though, and not just for Peter David's run, but on conceptual level. With Monica certainly had potential to bring a lot of new and different things to Marvel comics, Genis and Phyla lent themselves more readily to the style of [[SpaceOpera cosmos spanning story telling]] that made the first Captain Mar-Vell popular. Some people think a completely unrelated character undermines the point of having a successor.

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** With Monica, it mostly stems from her not getting a chance to have her own title. Some fans were simply interested in seeing where the writers would go while trying to create challenges for a someone moving at light speed in the form of any light on the electromagnetic spectrum spectrum. For someone who also had military discipline, in stories that could have unexplored extra dimensional angles. Many of these These fans tend to think Genis and Phyla were contrived and unnecessary characters. Genis and Phyla do have their fans though, and not just for Peter David's run, but on a conceptual level. With Monica certainly had potential to bring a lot of new and different things to Marvel comics, but not everyone thinks those new and different things should have been forced into a Captain Marvel book. Genis and Phyla lent themselves more readily to the style of [[SpaceOpera cosmos spanning story telling]] that made the first Captain Mar-Vell popular. Some people think popular, and there is an argument that a completely unrelated character undermines the point of having a successor.



** There have been many arguments that Noh-Varr was a pointless addition to the Mar-Vell legacy by the time he showed up. People with this view point are divided on whether it all should have stopped, or at least slowed down with him, or whether it should have skipped him entirely and gone back to Monica or to Carol. Still, some argue for the merits of a fascist kree that stands in such stock contrast to Mar-Vell that learns to appreciate what he stood for.

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** There have been many arguments that Noh-Varr was a pointless addition to the Mar-Vell legacy by the time he showed up. People with this view point are divided on whether it all should have stopped, or at least slowed down with him, or whether it should have skipped him entirely and gone back to Monica Monica, to Carol or to Carol. even Genis. Still, some argue for the merits of a fascist kree that stands in such stock contrast to Mar-Vell Mar-Vell, and like that the fascist Kree learns to appreciate what he Mar-Vell stood for.for.
** When Carol got the title there were fans who collectively said "finally", believing she should have gotten it after Mar-Vell died and it all should have been left at that. Then there are fans of Carol who thought she was fine as Ms Marvel already, and thought giving her or anyone else the Captain Marvel title was just another pointless step in a pointless conflict with DC Comics, who owned the original Captain Marvel character(but lost the rights to use his name purely due to their own misuse of the property). Fans of Carol as Ms Marvel also tend to like Monica or Genis/Phyla as Captain Marvel and dislike the notion those characters shouldn't have existed, or couldn't have gotten the title back.



* GrowingTheBeard: The first few issues of Captain Mar-Vell's adventures were considered aimless and lackluster. When Jim Starlin took over and made the character truly ''cosmic'' --up to and including the first major arc of {{ComicBook/Thanos}} and the Cosmic Cube, and Mar-Vell attaining cosmic awareness to combat him-- he became one of the most popular and influential characters in Marvel's roster.

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The first few issues of Captain Mar-Vell's adventures were considered aimless and lackluster. When Jim Starlin took over and made the character truly ''cosmic'' --up to and including the first major arc of {{ComicBook/Thanos}} and the Cosmic Cube, and Mar-Vell attaining cosmic awareness to combat him-- he became one of the most popular and influential characters in Marvel's roster.



* HoYay: Phyla-Vell and Moondragon. Also Moondragon and [[ComingOutStory Rick Jones' wife Marlo]].

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Phyla-Vell and Moondragon. Also Moondragon and [[ComingOutStory Rick Jones' wife Marlo]].



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The epilogue of the Odyssey arc in Peter David’s run forced Genis into having to murder his son in the crib since he will someday grow up to be a mass murdering monster…except a good chunk of Ely-Vell going evil rests on Genis’ shoulders. In the future, Genis’ future self wasn’t present during the invasion of the Earth and spent some time sleeping on the job, leading to the Earth being invaded. It’s not helped when Genis disappears to go forward in time to help Marlo, not realizing that he left Ely behind without a father for centuries. Ely even calls Genis on this, saying he can’t just up and disappear to go help people centuries at a time. Due to Genis being absent for most of Ely’s life, this naturally lead to Ely finding a way to fill the vacuum his father behind with The Magus. None of that justifies the [[MoralEventHorizon Moral Event Horizon]] Ely committed by killing billions of people to free his newfound master but Genis is completely to blame for what took place with his son. Had Genis not ignored his own son, he might not have needed to kill him at all.


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The epilogue of the Odyssey arc in Peter David’s run forced Genis into having to murder his son in the crib since he will someday grow up to be a mass murdering monster…except a good chunk of Ely-Vell going evil rests on Genis’ shoulders. In the future, Genis’ future self wasn’t present during the invasion of the Earth and spent some time sleeping on the job, leading to the Earth being invaded. It’s not helped when Genis disappears to go forward in time to help Marlo, not realizing that he left Ely behind without a father for centuries. Ely even calls Genis on this, saying he can’t just up and disappear to go help people centuries at a time. Due to Genis being absent for most of Ely’s life, this naturally lead to Ely finding a way to fill the vacuum his father behind with The Magus. None of that justifies the [[MoralEventHorizon Moral Event Horizon]] Ely committed by killing billions of people to free his newfound master but Genis is completely to blame for what took place with his son. Had Genis not ignored his own son, he might not have needed to kill him at all.

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** With Monica, it mostly stems from her not getting a chance to have her own title. Some fans were simply interested in seeing where the writers would go while trying to create challenges for a someone moving at light speed in the form of light on the electromagnetic spectrum who also had military discipline. Many of these fans think Genis and Phyla were contrived and unnecessary characters. Genis and Phyla do have their fans though, and not just for Peter David's run, but on conceptual level. With Monica certainly could had potential to bring a lot of new and different things to Marvel comics, Genis and Phyla lent themselves more readily to the style of cosmos spanning story telling that made the first Captain Mar-Vell popular. Some people think a completely unrelated character undermines the point of having a successor.

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** With Monica, it mostly stems from her not getting a chance to have her own title. Some fans were simply interested in seeing where the writers would go while trying to create challenges for a someone moving at light speed in the form of light on the electromagnetic spectrum who also had military discipline.discipline, in stories that could have unexplored extra dimensional angles. Many of these fans think Genis and Phyla were contrived and unnecessary characters. Genis and Phyla do have their fans though, and not just for Peter David's run, but on conceptual level. With Monica certainly could had potential to bring a lot of new and different things to Marvel comics, Genis and Phyla lent themselves more readily to the style of [[SpaceOpera cosmos spanning story telling telling]] that made the first Captain Mar-Vell popular. Some people think a completely unrelated character undermines the point of having a successor.
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** Some fans argue which Peter David Genis-Vell series is the best. Some prefer the first book for its comedic elements and chemistry between Rick Jones and Genis but some find that Genis is a guest character in his own comic book while Rick and his supporting cast are essentially the stars. Conversely, the second series focused mainly between Genis and Rick while it went down a [[DarkerandEdgier Darker and Edgier]] route which some praised for being interesting and unique while some found that it meandered after Issue 6 and Genis became progressively [[DesignatedHero more and more unlikeable]] as the Insanity Arc dragged on.

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** With Monica, it mostly stems from her not getting a chance to have her own title. Some fans were simply interested in seeing where the writers would go while trying to create challenges for a someone moving at light speed in the form of light on the electromagnetic spectrum who also had military discipline. Many of these fans think Genis and Phyla were contrived and unnecessary characters. Genis and Phyla do have their fans though, and not just for Peter David's run, but on conceptual level. With Monica certainly could had potential to bring a lot of new and different things to Marvel comics, Genis and Phyla lent themselves more readily to the style of cosmos spanning story telling that made the first Captain Mar-Vell popular. Some people think a completely unrelated character undermines the point of having a successor.
** Some fans argue which Peter David Genis-Vell series is the best. Some prefer the first book for its comedic elements and chemistry between Rick Jones and Genis but some find that Genis is a guest character in his own comic book while Rick and his supporting cast are essentially the stars. Conversely, the second series focused mainly between Genis and Rick while it went down a [[DarkerandEdgier Darker and Edgier]] route which some praised for being interesting and unique while some found that it meandered after Issue 6 and Genis became progressively [[DesignatedHero more and more unlikeable]] unlikable]] as the Insanity Arc dragged on.on.
** There have been many arguments that Noh-Varr was a pointless addition to the Mar-Vell legacy by the time he showed up. People with this view point are divided on whether it all should have stopped, or at least slowed down with him, or whether it should have skipped him entirely and gone back to Monica or to Carol. Still, some argue for the merits of a fascist kree that stands in such stock contrast to Mar-Vell that learns to appreciate what he stood for.
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** It’s made worse that Genis didn’t even need to necessarily kill his son. In the Odyssey arc’s ending, Genis shows he can influence the timeline with a decision he will make in the future which he uses to someday murder his future son. This a power that could potentially be used to shape a better future for himself and his family but instead of resolving to do better, Genis instead decides to murder Ely in the crib. This ultimately makes Genis a bit of a hypocrite since Genis did far worse when he went insane. It’s possible The Magus would have potentially done worse than him but Ely’s own actions did not come anywhere close to what Genis did when he destroyed the universe and later restored it. It brings to mind what if Mar-Vell knew he would someday have a son that would commit so many evil actions even despite the possibility that he’ll try and redeem himself. If Genis got a chance to redeem himself, why is it that Ely doesn’t get one?

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** It’s made worse that Genis didn’t even need to necessarily kill his son. In the Odyssey arc’s ending, Genis shows he can influence the timeline with a decision he will make in the future which he uses to someday murder his future son. This is a power that could potentially be used to shape a better future for himself and his family but instead of resolving to do better, Genis instead decides to murder Ely in the crib. This ultimately makes Genis a bit of a hypocrite since Genis did far worse when he went insane. It’s possible The Magus would have potentially done worse than him but Ely’s own actions did not come anywhere close to what Genis did when he destroyed the universe and later restored it. It brings to mind what if Mar-Vell knew he would someday have a son that would commit so many evil actions even despite the possibility that he’ll try and redeem himself. If Genis got a chance to redeem himself, why is it that Ely doesn’t get one?

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* CompleteMonster: May & June 2001 issues: Walker, or He Who Walks Beyond Life and Death Like a Colossus, was a [[EverybodyHatesHades death god]] of a distant galaxy who, seeking to impress Mistress Death, murdered every soul in his galaxy and entrapped them within him, [[AndIMustScream in horrible torment]]. When Death was repulsed and turned from Walker, he decided to murder her out of spite, hunting her to Earth where he attempts to get her attention by killing people close to the current host of death, even resorting to ColdBloodedTorture to draw her out. When Death refuses to show herself at first, Walker reveals he will happily take the Earth apart "molecule by molecule", willing to annihilate everything in his path solely for [[NotGoodWithRejection being spurned by the object of his obsession]].



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** Walker, or He Who Walks Beyond Life and Death Like a Colossus, from the May 2001 and June 2001 issues, was a death god of a distant galaxy who, seeking to impress Mistress Death, murdered every soul in his galaxy and entrapped them within him, [[AndIMustScream in horrible torment]]. When Death was repulsed and turned from Walker, he decided to murder her out of spite, hunting her to Earth where he attempts to get her attention by killing people close to the current host of death, Marlo Chandler, even resorting to ColdBloodedTorture to draw her out. When Genis-Vell joined forces with ''Thanos'' himself to stop him and Death refuses to show herself at first, Walker reveals he will happily take the Earth apart "molecule by molecule", willing to annihilate everything in his path solely for [[NotGoodWithRejection being spurned by the object of his obsession]].
** Mar-Vell's first archenemy Colonel Yon-Rogg falls into this as well, as he was perfectly happy to let one of the Kree's greatest war heroes die and their mission fail out of petty jealousy. He not only coveted Mar-Vell's lover Una, he also hated that Mar-Vell, a mere captain, was more respected and more decorated than he was. He was directly responsible for many of Mar-Vell's early difficulties, culminating in a botched assassination that turned into a pitched battle that saw the death of Una. When he finally met his death being crushed under rubble after being revealed as a traitor to the Kree, no one mourned him.
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* NightmareFuel: Genis-Vell going insane, full stop.

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