History YMMV / BuffytheVampireSlayer

20th Jun '18 5:09:23 PM BobRiddle
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*** Trunks kills Merged Zamasu in the exact same way as Buffy kills Caleb: By slicing him in half from the groin up.
18th Jun '18 4:32:56 PM QueenofSwords
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* {{Wangst}}: You're kidding right? Season 6 in particular was basically Buffy spending a year trying to claw her way out of depression and do something about those ruining her life. Not that she did not have good reason but the other characters did not fare much better. The series could effectively be written out for only four seasons if half of it was not centered on the characters crying about their torment.
17th Jun '18 1:42:38 AM haloinsider
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** Willow/Tara/Oz is this for some who love how both of the latter two supported and encouraged Willow while in a relationship with her.
8th Jun '18 9:27:17 AM StFan
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** [[ZNation Keith Allan]] had a small role in "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS5E9ListeningToFear}} Listening To Fear]]".

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** [[ZNation [[Series/ZNation Keith Allan]] had a small role in "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS5E9ListeningToFear}} Listening To Fear]]".
8th Jun '18 1:25:53 AM Stevebob
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** Dawn, thanks to her constant [[{{Wangst}} whining]] and ungrateful attitude, as well as how [[TheLoad useless]] and [[DamselScrappy even detrimental]] she is to the Scoobies. It doesn't help that Buffy sacrifices herself for her in the Season 5 finale, something quite a few fans felt was unearned on Dawn's behalf. She also has a [[BuffySpeak teenage-ry]] selfish attitude and often lacks empathy. She matures in the final season, so that by the end of the series, while still disliked by many, she has gained a certain level of respect from the fandom.

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** Dawn, thanks to her constant [[{{Wangst}} whining]] and ungrateful attitude, as well as how [[TheLoad useless]] and [[DamselScrappy even detrimental]] she is to the Scoobies. It doesn't help that Buffy sacrifices herself for her in the Season 5 finale, something quite a few fans felt was unearned on Dawn's behalf. She also has a [[BuffySpeak teenage-ry]] selfish attitude and often lacks empathy. She matures in the final season, so that by the end of the series, while still disliked by many, she has gained a certain level of respect from the fandom. Well that, and the fact Kennedy turns up in that season, who is generally ''even more'' despised than Dawn, making Dawn look much better in comparison.
2nd Jun '18 1:02:27 PM nombretomado
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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The first Buffy game on XBOX is pretty much regarded as a must have title, even if you've never watched the show. ''VideoGame/BuffyTheVampireSlayerChaosBleeds'' is pretty good as well. ''Sacrifice'' and the UsefulNotes/GameBoy versions would be closer to the trope below.

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* NoProblemWithLicensedGames: SugarWiki/NoProblemWithLicensedGames: The first Buffy game on XBOX is pretty much regarded as a must have title, even if you've never watched the show. ''VideoGame/BuffyTheVampireSlayerChaosBleeds'' is pretty good as well. ''Sacrifice'' and the UsefulNotes/GameBoy versions would be closer to the trope below.
8th May '18 2:22:53 PM randomguy399
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** Was Season 5 dull and Dawn a {{Wangst}}-y [[TheScrappy Scrappy character]] or was it a fitting end for the show and a nice attempt to get in touch with a newer generation of fans? In addition, did Dawn happen to [[CharacterDevelopment "grown up"]] in Season 7, or she is still her same annoying self?
** Tara as a character and her relationship with Willow. Groundbreaking for its time and/or poorly written, poorly acted and too abrupt.
** And related to the above; was Willow truly a lesbian or was she secretly bisexual? Many people have argued that the show perpetuated biphobia by not even exploring the possibility that she could love men and women, whereas a similarly sized proportion of the fandom have pointed out that there are many lesbians *in real life* who used to date men before they realized they were gay, and that it's a little disrespectful to insinuate that these women don't exist or that lesbians are less valid if they don't have a perfect gold star.

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** Was Season 5 dull and Dawn a {{Wangst}}-y [[TheScrappy Scrappy character]] or was it a fitting end for the show and a nice attempt to get in touch with a newer generation of fans? In addition, did Dawn happen to [[CharacterDevelopment "grown "grow up"]] in Season 7, or she is still her same annoying self?
** Tara as a character and her Willow's relationship with Willow.Tara. Groundbreaking for its time and/or poorly written, poorly acted and too abrupt.
** And related to the above; was Was Willow truly a lesbian or was she secretly bisexual? Many people have argued that the show perpetuated biphobia by not even exploring the possibility that she could love men and women, whereas a similarly sized proportion of the fandom have pointed out that there are many lesbians *in real life* who used to date men before they realized they were gay, and that it's a little disrespectful to insinuate that these women don't exist or that lesbians are less valid if they don't have a perfect gold star.



** A smaller one but could start flame wars back in the day. In "Selfless" who was in the right: Buffy or Xander? The show doesn't take either person's side but that didn't stop fans from trying.
* CargoShip: Kendra and her favorite stake, Mr. Pointy. Actually, slayers and stakes in general, especially if you've played the Chaos Bleeds game and remember Faith quipping about the [[ADateWithRosiePalms alternative uses she's found for a stake.]]

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** A smaller one but could start flame wars back in the day. In "Selfless" who was in the right: Buffy or Xander? The show doesn't take either person's side but that didn't doesn't stop fans from trying.
* CargoShip: Kendra and her favorite stake, Mr. Pointy. Actually, slayers and stakes in general, especially if you've played the Chaos Bleeds ''Chaos Bleeds'' game and remember Faith quipping about the [[ADateWithRosiePalms alternative uses she's found for a stake.]]



** The Gentlemen may be some of the scariest monsters in the series, which is saying something, but they're so nicely dressed and friendly to each other so it's hard not to admire them a little.

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** The Gentlemen may be some of the scariest monsters in the series, which is saying something, but they're so nicely dressed and friendly to each other so it's hard not to admire them a little.



*** The [[SeasonalRot infamous sixth season]] is frequently regarded as a DorkAge for the titular heroine, in which her [[spoiler:traumatic resurrection from heaven]] is explored so realistically that she loses all her (previously characteristic) warmth, passion, sense of humor and interest in the world around her, becoming a pale and often unwatchable imitation of her former self. The supporting cast doesn't get it much better, either: Willow's magic addiction metaphor is simultaneously {{anvilicious}} and a lore trainwreck given that it was never portrayed as such in prior episodes, the blatant [[DisposableWoman fridging of Tara]], Dawn's constant complaining got really annoying, the dissolution of Xander and Anya's marriage was forced, and Spike reached the depths of his BadassDecay, and the Trio's actions were just... stupid. At least Buffy had an excuse. In the season's favor, it did give fans "Once More with Feeling,'' widely considered the show's best episode.

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*** The [[SeasonalRot infamous sixth season]] is frequently regarded as a DorkAge for the titular heroine, in which her [[spoiler:traumatic resurrection from heaven]] Heaven]] is explored so realistically that she loses all her (previously characteristic) warmth, passion, sense of humor and interest in the world around her, becoming a pale and often unwatchable imitation of her former self. The supporting cast doesn't get it much better, either: Willow's magic addiction metaphor is simultaneously {{anvilicious}} and a lore trainwreck given that it was never portrayed as such in prior episodes, the blatant [[DisposableWoman fridging of Tara]], Dawn's constant complaining got really annoying, the dissolution of Xander and Anya's marriage was forced, and Spike reached the depths of his BadassDecay, and the Trio's actions were just... stupid. At least Buffy had an excuse. In the season's favor, it did give fans "Once More with Feeling,'' widely considered the show's best episode.



** The Gentlemen appeared only in [[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E10Hush one episode]], but their creepy designs and bone-chilling acting performances (including beloved future cult icon Creator/DougJones) made them some of the scariest and most memorable monsters in the show's history.

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** The Gentlemen only appeared only in [[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E10Hush one episode]], but their creepy designs and bone-chilling acting performances (including beloved future cult icon Creator/DougJones) made them some of the scariest and most memorable monsters in the show's history.



* FairForItsDay: Willow and Tara's relationship early on reeked of HideYourLesbians. The network was so strict on what they were allowed to be shown doing that the writers were forced to use magic as a metaphor for lesbianism. And of course it involved a previously straight character suddenly discovering [[SuddenlySexuality she was gay]] rather than [[NoBisexuals bisexual]]. That doesn't change the fact that the romance was hugely groundbreaking for lesbians on TV. Tara eventually developed into her own character separate from just being Willow's girlfriend. They were also treated as simply another couple on the show, with their own problems and issues. Once the show moved to UPN, they were shown kissing a lot more and sharing a bed. This too was shocking because it wasn't too long ago that it was assumed that lesbians merely wanted emotional fulfilment rather than sex.

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* FairForItsDay: Willow and Tara's relationship early on reeked of HideYourLesbians. The network was so strict on what they were allowed to be shown doing that the writers were forced to use magic as a metaphor for lesbianism. And of course it involved a previously straight character suddenly discovering [[SuddenlySexuality she was gay]] rather than [[NoBisexuals bisexual]]. That doesn't change the fact that the romance was hugely groundbreaking for lesbians on TV. Tara eventually developed into her own character separate from just being Willow's girlfriend. They were also treated as simply another couple on the show, with their own problems and issues. Once the show moved to UPN, they were shown kissing a lot more and sharing a bed. This too was shocking because it wasn't too long ago that it was assumed that lesbians merely wanted emotional fulfilment fulfillment rather than sex.



** [[LesYay Buffy/Faith]], which the creators have acknowledged as subtext and which many, many fans consider canon.
** Dawn/Spike has a popular following, though not nearly as big as Buffy/Spike.

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** [[LesYay Buffy/Faith]], which the creators writers have acknowledged as subtext and which many, many fans consider canon.
** Dawn/Spike has a popular following, though not nearly as big as Buffy/Spike.
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** Interestingly enough, for all that Buffy seems to be paired with nearly anyone, when the story is about ''Xander'', he's almost universally paired with Faith. Which has its own creepy connotations.



** In Season 4 [[TheHero Buffy]] and [[DarkActionGirl Faith]] switch bodies, with the former appearing a complete and total JerkAss and the latter desperately trying to gain acceptance. Compare and contrast Season 7.

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** In Season 4 [[TheHero Buffy]] and [[DarkActionGirl Faith]] switch bodies, with the former appearing a complete and total JerkAss {{Jerkass}} and the latter desperately trying to gain acceptance. Compare and contrast Season 7.



* HollywoodPudgy: Amber Benson found herself attacked by fans over her weight - particularly around the time [[DieForOurShip Willow chose her over Oz]]. She has never been anything resembling fat, but being constantly in scenes with the very waify Sarah Michelle Gellar and Alyson Hannigan made her look bigger by comparison. In fact Amber was nearly turned down for the role because producers thought she was too voluptuous for a character imagined as very dainty (as she needed to take Willow's place as TheWoobie since the latter was getting too powerful to keep putting in danger).

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* HollywoodPudgy: Amber Benson found herself attacked by fans over her weight - particularly around the time [[DieForOurShip Willow chose her over Oz]]. She has never been anything resembling fat, but being constantly in scenes sharing the screen with the very waify Sarah Michelle Gellar and Alyson Hannigan made her look bigger by comparison. In fact fact, Amber was nearly turned down for the role because producers thought she was too voluptuous for a character imagined as very dainty (as she needed to take Willow's place as TheWoobie since the latter was getting too powerful to keep putting in danger).



* MemeticMutation: The line "Dawn's in trouble, must be Tuesday" had been used advertising for the show, adapted [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 in other media]] and around the web, and the comics themselves

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* MemeticMutation: The line "Dawn's in trouble, must be Tuesday" had been used advertising for the show, adapted [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 in other media]] and around the web, and the comics themselvesthemselves.
7th May '18 11:54:36 AM AmuckCricetine
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** We're supposed to think Riley is Buffy's "real shot at love" and everyone treats him like he's the nicest guy ever. Despite the fact that he's a teaching assistant dating one of his students, thinks it's A-OK to torture demons, or "animals" as he calls them (demons are evil, but kill them quickly, don't experiment on them), and whines and complains like a two-year-old when he thinks Buffy isn't giving him enough attention... when she's distracted by her ''mother being in the hospital due to a '''brain tumor'''''. His way of dealing with the latter is going to a vampire "whorehouse" (to get off on getting bitten by them), [[NeverMyFault thinks Buffy is entirely to blame for his behavior]], and gives her an ultimatum: he's leaving if she doesn't forgive him. What's worse is that, from how it's written, we're supposed to be taking ''Riley's'' side, not to mention that Xander calls Buffy out on letting Riley go and Buffy is led to believe that she ''was'' in the wrong. Sickening doesn't even begin to describe this, and the fact that the writers utterly failed to see the implications (and instead blamed fans for liking the vampires Angel and Spike too much) just makes things worse. Then, when he returns in season 6, he goes around believing his opinion is better than everyone else's, everyone loves him again despite what he did, has married someone below his rank (which is a no-no in the US army) and he makes Buffy (who's suffering from depression, struggling with money and raising a teenager) feel terrible... but she listens to him anyway. It's kind of obvious that the writers wanted to make us think "look what you made Buffy throw away!" but instead made him look like an even bigger jerk than before.
6th May '18 11:09:38 AM AmuckCricetine
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* DorkAge:
** Season 4 is sometimes mentioned as a Dork Age, given the awkward [[GovernmentAgencyOfFiction Initiative]] storyline, the introduction of the [[TheScrappy widely unpopular]] Riley as Buffy's rebound love-interest, and above all the episode about [[{{Anvilicious}} a beer that turns people into primitive savages]], although at least that episode has the excuse of being a failed grab at government money. On the other hand, this season also produced the Emmy-nominated "[[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E10Hush Hush]]" episode.
** The UPN years are agreed to be a Dork Age by fans:
*** The [[SeasonalRot infamous sixth season]] is frequently regarded as a DorkAge for the titular heroine, in which her [[spoiler:traumatic resurrection from heaven]] is explored so realistically that she loses all her (previously characteristic) warmth, passion, sense of humor and interest in the world around her, becoming a pale and often unwatchable imitation of her former self. The supporting cast doesn't get it much better, either: Willow's magic addiction metaphor is simultaneously {{anvilicious}} and a lore trainwreck given that it was never portrayed as such in prior episodes, the blatant [[DisposableWoman fridging of Tara]], Dawn's constant complaining got really annoying, the dissolution of Xander and Anya's marriage was forced, and Spike reached the depths of his BadassDecay, and the Trio's actions were just... stupid. At least Buffy had an excuse. In the season's favor, it did give fans "Once More with Feeling,'' widely considered the show's best episode.
*** Season 7, considering the change of Buffy into a full-fledged KnightTemplar, Willow's [[BadassDecay inability to use magic]] for the better part of the season, Xander, Dawn, Anya ''and'' Giles getting virtually no [[TheArtifact character direction,]] having a textbook GenericDoomsdayVillain as the BigBad, the arrival of the [[TheScrappy insufferable]] Potentials, and Spike's total [[SpotlightStealingSquad eclipse of the whole show]]. Creator/JossWhedon has admitted that everyone working on the show was exhausted by that point, and it shows.
** Some also see the Season 8 and Season 9 comics as a continuation of the Season 7 Dork Age, as Buffy, while a bit more sane than in Six or Seven, is also more alienated from everyone, and in addition to this, the Slayer army is just irritating.



* SeasonalRot: Seasons 4, 6, and 7 are the least-regarded seasons of the series. Part of the problem may lie in how the BigBad threatens Buffy & co mentally as well as physically. After Angelus and Faith when she was TheDragon there has not been a villain who posed the best of both worlds. Adam and Maggie Walsh were more science vs magic, Glory was a big physical threat but the mental was downplayed, the Trio were a big mental threat after what happened to Buffy but could not match the powerhouses that were in previous seasons, The First was a decent mental challenge not on Angelus' level. As for the comics, Twilight seemed overshadowed by other villains and Simone was weak in comparison.

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* SeasonalRot: Seasons 4, 6, SeasonalRot:
** Season 4 is a popular candidate, losing the high school element
and 7 are the least-regarded seasons most of the series. Part popular characters, with Angel and Cordelia having disappeared off onto another show and Xander and Giles DemotedToExtra. Buffy's relationship with Riley was not well received and the introduction of a demon-hunting military unit was too much of a departure from the show's norm. The season also took far too long to get to the point, waiting until over halfway through before introducing BigBad Adam and then hardly doing anything with him (only his first full episode and the two-parter that wrapped up his storyline give him any real screen time, with the intervening episodes trying to keep the arc moving by having characters go "[[ShooOutTheNewGuy We must do something to stop Adam]]" during unrelated problems), leaving it feeling rather directionless at times. Main plus points were Spike's emerging EnsembleDarkhorse status, the return of Faith in "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E15ThisYearsGirl}} This Year's Girl]][=/=][[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E16WhoAreYou}} Who Are You?]] ", and a few decent individual episodes like "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E4FearItself}} Fear Itself]]", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E10Hush}} Hush]]" and "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS4E22Restless}} Restless]]".
** Season 6 in particular is a case of divisiveness; many revile it for levels of gloom bordering on {{Wangst}}, the pathetic-ness
of the problem may lie Trio of as BigBad, plot elements such as the widely-detested "[[{{Anvilicious}} magic]] [[DrugsAreBad addiction]]" arc and an inconsistently written romance between Spike and Buffy. On the other hand, some praise it for the attempts at emotional depth and character development, a change of pace from the relentless SortingAlgorithmOfEvil, and individually beloved episodes like "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E7OnceMoreWithFeeling}} Once More, With Feeling]]" and "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS6E8TabulaRasa}} Tabula Rasa]]". Lampshaded in how this scene:
--->'''Buffy''': Giles, everything's just been so... Xander left Anya at the altar, and Anya's a vengeance demon again... Dawn's a total klepto... money's been so tight that I've been slinging burgers at the Doublemeat Palace... And I've been sleeping with Spike.\\
''Giles starts to laugh''
** Season 7 likewise gets a lot of flak when compared to what came before. While it doesn't have as much in it that ''angered'' fans like Season 6 did (what with the dissolution of Xander/Anya, Willow's addiction to magic, and the near-rape of Buffy), it also lacks a lot of the highs that Season 6 managed ("Once More, With Feeling", "Tabula Rasa", the final arc with Willow's HeelFaceTurn). Season 7's greatest offering is "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E7ConversationsWithDeadPeople}} Conversations With Dead People]]", but other than that, the entire run of episodes is spent preparing for a fight with the BigBad. This provides the season with a lot of weariness, as there are far fewer lighthearted episodes to offer levity, and
the BigBad threatens itself was rather uninteresting (being little more than an incarnation of evil). Its [[TheDragon Dragon]] Caleb had potential but is introduced far too late and killed off far too quickly to be among the show's most memorable villains. The Potentials had a mixed reaction: Individual characters were liked by some and hated by others, but either way giving Buffy & co mentally as well as physically. After Angelus and Faith when she was TheDragon there has not been a villain who posed mostly non-speaking RedShirtArmy resulted in long-standing characters being pushed to the best sidelines. There are, however, a number of both worlds. Adam and Maggie Walsh were more science vs magic, Glory was a big physical threat but the mental was downplayed, the Trio were a big mental threat after what happened to Buffy but could not match the powerhouses that were in previous seasons, The First was a decent mental challenge not on Angelus' level. As for episodes like "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E3SameTimeSamePlace}} Same Time, Same Place]]", "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E14FirstDate}} First Date]]" and the comics, Twilight seemed overshadowed by other villains and Simone was weak in comparison.Spike character piece "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS7E17LiesMyParentsToldMe}} Lies My Parents Told Me]]".
5th May '18 3:41:54 AM AmuckCricetine
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* GrowingTheBeard: Starting with the arrival of Spike and Drusilla. Full growth was achieved when Angel lost his soul.

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* GrowingTheBeard: Starting with the arrival of GrowingTheBeard:
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Spike and Drusilla. Full Drusilla's arrival in Sunnydale proved a noticeable upswing, but the true beard-growing moment was probably the resurgence of Angelus, cementing the shift from MonsterOfTheWeek episodes to a darkly comedic, character-driven series. TrueArtIsAngsty after all, right?
*** Season Two is widely regarded as one of the show's best from start to finish. IF there was any point the show had a beard
growth moment (and it's a big if, considering the quality of the series' worst episodes is better than most television), it was achieved when "Prophecy Girl" where the first season's villain is defeated and Buffy is drowned but revived. The episode showed it was capable of a lot more than the episodes in the first season, despite some of them being much more deserving of praise than some fans give them.
** One of the first near perfect episodes was "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS2E17Passion}} Passion]]", which proved that
Angel lost his soul.wasn't coming back any time soon because Angelus was responsible for the first major character death of the series. The series later became famous for them.
** Others would argue the show at least grew some stubble in "[[{{Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS1E12ProphecyGirl}} Prophecy Girl]]", the first episode to really deal with bravery and explore the impact such a great destiny had on what was essentially a scared teenage girl.
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