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* JerkassWoobie: Prince Edward is by no means a likeable guy (cowardly, clueless, treats his wife poorly) but his [[{{Jerkass}} jerkassery]] could be explained by the [[SarcasmeMode great relationship]] he has with his [[AbusiveParents good old dad]]. He's also probably struggling with his homosexuality in a very unfriendly environment to gay people, stuck in a marriage he didn't want and his lover eventually killed by his father. When his wife gives him and his father TheReasonYouSuckSpeech saying they don't even know what mercy is as well as love, for a moment he seems distraught (he has lost his companion and lover) supporting this AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.
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** Note that this is actually an inversion of the HistoricalBadassUpgrade. Edward I's real life BadAss achievements would fill three or four movies as long as this one.
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* HilariousInHindsight: William Wallace's execution is funnier given how much of an asshole Mel Gibson is in real life.
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** The moment Wallace realizes that he had been betrayed by Robert is often seen as the most memorable portrayal of a moment when someone comes to the realization that they had been stabbed in the back.
** Wallace's execution, mostly because of his last yell for [[MemeticMutation FREEDOM]].
** The moment Wallace realizes that he had been betrayed by Robert is often seen as the most memorable portrayal of a moment when someone comes to the realization that they had been stabbed in the back.
** Wallace's execution, mostly because of his last yell for [[MemeticMutation FREEDOM]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gibson of all people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.
* HilariousInHindsight: Gibson of all people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gibson of all people portraying Edward as a panto bad guy considering that in real life one of the most disgusting things about him was his mistreatment of the Jews.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: JamesHorner Music/JamesHorner [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUNSZEDfwu0 delivers]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWQhezXbi7A an]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS7V5XoYCaQ absolutely]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXzGZ6GXnTw amazing]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLfNezFqNk score]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxRik0jw5L8 for]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcxfrL4UjQ4 this]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLrnI7SsVY film]].
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** To be fair, he was pretty angry at this point in his life. Also [[FreudianExcuse pretty important]]...his [[MoralityPet beloved wife and queen]] Eleanor of Castile had died just as this was all starting.
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** To be fair, he was pretty angry at this point in his life. Also [[FreudianExcuse pretty important]]...his [[MoralityPet beloved wife and queen]] Eleanor of Castile had died just as this was all starting.
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** "FREEEDOM!!" gets a lot of mileage too, especially for folks having to endure some lengthy torture (bonus points if said torture is something [[MundaneMadeAwesome entirely mundane]].
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* CompleteMonster: King Edward I "Longshanks" is portrayed as [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade far more evil than his real life counterpart ever was]]. Introduced as a "cruel pagan" who has annexed Scotland to England and just returned from a war with France, he authorizes mass rape in Scotland by restoring the ancient law of ''[[DroitDuSeigneur Ius Primae Noctis]]'', giving English lords in Scotland the right to claim "first night" of any peasant girl in their domain upon their marriage. He's doing this to win support from the English lords necessary to solidify his rule in Scotland and to gradually end the Scottish as a nation by outbreeding them. He sees his effeminate son Edward II simply as the continuation of his legacy, throws his son's homosexual lover out of a window for daring to speak to him as an advisor and beats his son's face in afterwards. After William Wallace stages a Scottish rebellion against him, Longshanks announces his intent to reduce the country to ashes just out of petty spite at Wallace. During an engagement with the Scots he orders his archers to [[UnfriendlyFire fire on his own troops]] while they're busy fighting the Scots, justifying it by stating that [[WeHaveReserves his men are expendable]]. After Wallace is captured by the English due to a conspiracy among the Scottish lords, Longshanks has him slowly and painfully tortured to death in a public execution while listening on from his own death bed.
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* CompleteMonster: King Edward I "Longshanks" is portrayed as [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade far more evil than his real life counterpart ever was]]. Introduced as a "cruel pagan" who has annexed Scotland to into England and just returned from a war with France, he authorizes mass rape in Scotland by restoring the ancient law of ''[[DroitDuSeigneur Ius Primae Noctis]]'', giving English lords in Scotland the right to claim "first night" of any peasant girl in their domain upon their marriage. He's doing this to win support from the English lords necessary to solidify his rule in Scotland and to gradually end the Scottish as a nation by outbreeding them. He sees his effeminate son Edward II simply as the continuation of his legacy, throws his son's homosexual lover out of a window for daring to speak to him as an advisor and beats his son's face in afterwards. After William Wallace stages a Scottish rebellion against him, Longshanks announces his intent to reduce the country to ashes just out of petty spite at Wallace. During an engagement with the Scots he orders his archers to [[UnfriendlyFire fire on his own troops]] while they're busy fighting the Scots, justifying it by stating that [[WeHaveReserves his men are expendable]]. After Wallace is captured by the English due to a conspiracy among the Scottish lords, Longshanks has him slowly and painfully tortured to death in a public execution while listening on from his own death bed.
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Broken Base is for split within a fandom. Those who hate the movie are definitely not part of a fandom.
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* BrokenBase: In Scotland. [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales Many posters for this movie can still be found all over Scotland]]. Ironically there are plenty of Scottish people who hate this film for its inaccuracies. A statue of Creator/MelGibson as Wallace was subject to vandalism for years before finally being removed.
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* LoveItOrHateIt: In Scotland. [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales Many posters for this movie can still be found all over Scotland]]. Ironically there are plenty of Scottish people who hate this film for its inaccuracies. A statue of Creator/MelGibson as Wallace was subject to vandalism for years before finally being removed.
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* SympathyForTheDevil: You really can't help but feel sorry for Edward II after his father throws his (possible) lover out a window to his death.
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* MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales: In spite of its inaccuracies, posters for this movie can still be found all over Scotland.
** Ironically there are plenty of Scottish people who hate this film for its inaccuracies.
** Ironically there are plenty of Scottish people who hate this film for its inaccuracies.
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** Ironically the real Wallace committed many horrific crimes himself.
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* HateDumb: {{Downplayed}}. Gibsons' reputation as TheFundamentalist preceded him, and many who saw the film accused him of homophobia because of the scene where Edward II's gay lover (or implied gay lover, at any rate) is murdered by his father Longshanks. But as Gibson himself fairly retorted, Longshanks is portrayed as a murderous psychopath in this film, so its hard to read this as much else than a ruthless KickTheDog moment unless you actually ''want'' to (for the record, while its likely that Edward II was ''not'' a homosexual, this isn't something Gibson made up- there were definitely rumours at the time and Edward II may have been at the very least effeminate, and absolutely historians who believed that he was; modern historians simply think they were exaggerations).
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** Ironically the real Wallace committed many horrific crimes himself.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The portrayal of all the English as evil and Stephan being portrayed as good for wanting to kill the english because they are.
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* CompleteMonster: King Edward I "Longshanks" is portrayed as [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade far more evil than his real life counterpart ever was]]. Introduced as a "cruel pagan" who has annexed Scotland to England and just returned from a war with France, he authorizes mass rape in Scotland by restoring the ancient law of ''[[DroitDuSeigneur Ius Primae Noctis]]'', giving English lords in Scotland the right to claim "first night" of any peasant girl in their domain upon their marriage. He's doing this to win support from the English lords necessary to solidify his rule in Scotland and to gradually end the Scottish as a nation by outbreeding them. He sees his effeminate son Edward II simply as the continuation of his legacy, throws his son's homosexual lover out of a window for daring to speak to him as an advisor and beats his son's face in afterwards. After William Wallace stages a Scottish rebellion against him, Longshanks announces his intent to reduce the country to ashes just out of petty spite at Wallace. During an engagement with the Scots he orders his archers to [[UnfriendlyFire fire on his own troops]] while they're busy fighting the Scots, justifying it by stating that [[WeHaveReserves his men are expendable]]. After Wallace is captured by the English due to a conspiracy among the Scottish lords, Longshanks has him slowly and painfully tortured to death in a public execution while listening on from his own death bed.
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Whoops! Thought I wrote Hate DUMB, not Hate \"Dom\". My mistake.
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* HateDumb: {{Downplayed}}. Gibsons' reputation as TheFundamentalist preceded him, and many who saw the film accused him of homophobia because of the scene where Edward II's gay lover (or implied gay lover, at any rate) is murdered by his father Longshanks. But as Gibson himself fairly retorted, Longshanks is portrayed as a murderous psychopath in this film, so its hard to read this as much else than a ruthless KickTheDog moment unless you actually ''want'' to (for the record, while its likely that Edward II was ''not'' a homosexual, this isn't something Gibson made up- there were definitely rumours at the time and Edward II may have been at the very least effeminate, and absolutely historians who believed that he was; modern historians simply think they were exaggerations).
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* {{Hatedom}}: {{Downplayed}}. Gibsons' reputation as TheFundamentalist preceded him, and many who saw the film accused him of homophobia because of the scene where Edward II's gay lover (or implied gay lover, at any rate) is murdered by his father Longshanks. But as Gibson himself fairly retorted, Longshanks is portrayed as a murderous psychopath in this film, so its hard to read this as much else than a ruthless KickTheDog moment unless you actually ''want'' to (for the record, while its likely that Edward II was ''not'' a homosexual, this isn't something Gibson made up- there were definitely rumours at the time and Edward II may have been at the very least effeminate, and absolutely historians who believed that he was; modern historians simply think they were exaggerations).
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* {{Hatedom}}: {{Downplayed}}. Gibsons' reputation as TheFundamentalist preceded him, and many who saw the film accused him of homophobia because of the scene where Edward II's gay lover (or implied gay lover, at any rate) is murdered by his father Longshanks. But as Gibson himself fairly retorted, Longshanks is portrayed as a murderous psychopath in this film, so its hard to read this as much else than a ruthless KickTheDog moment unless you actually ''want'' to (for the record, while its likely that Edward II was ''not'' a homosexual, this isn't something Gibson made up- there were definitely rumours at the time and Edward II may have been at the very least effeminate, and absolutely historians who believed that he was; modern historians simply think they were exaggerations).
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* {{Squick}}: An English soldier tells Murron how she reminds him of his own daughter back in England before ''he tries to molest her''.
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* SympathyForTheDevil: You really can't help but feel sorry for Edward II after his father throws his (possible) lover out a window to his death.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Stephen the Irishman
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* CompleteMonster: King Edward Longshanks is depicted as one hell of an evil bastard. In real life, he isn't remembered as that much of a tyrant, though he is known as "the Hammer of the Scots". He did expel the Jews from England in 1290 (primarily so that he could confiscate their property and repudiate his debts), however.
** His second most popular title is that of "The English Justinian". He was arguably the father of parliamentary government, though he introduced it mainly as a way to circumvent the Nobility in order to approve taxes.
** His second most popular title is that of "The English Justinian". He was arguably the father of parliamentary government, though he introduced it mainly as a way to circumvent the Nobility in order to approve taxes.
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