History YMMV / BramStokersDracula

2nd Sep '17 9:09:37 AM ClintEastwood
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** Old!Dracula's butt hairdo, ruthlessly parodied by Mel Brooks in ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', by ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS5E5TreehouseOfHorrorIV Treehouse of Horror IV]]" and by Genndy Tartakovsky and Adam Sandler in ''WesternAnimation/HotelTransylvania2'', is the flagship of the narm in this movie. Summed to his fabulous red robe and rubber-like white face, it turns the character's introduction scene into a potential source of hysterical laughter regardless of the viewer's intention.

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** Old!Dracula's butt hairdo, ruthlessly parodied by Mel Brooks Creator/MelBrooks in ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', by ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS5E5TreehouseOfHorrorIV Treehouse of Horror IV]]" and by Genndy Tartakovsky Creator/GenndyTartakovsky and Adam Sandler Creator/AdamSandler in ''WesternAnimation/HotelTransylvania2'', is the flagship of the narm in this movie. Summed to his fabulous red robe and rubber-like white face, it turns the character's introduction scene into a potential source of hysterical laughter regardless of the viewer's intention.
18th Aug '17 12:15:33 PM AlternativeCola
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** Old!Dracula's butt hairdo, ruthlessly parodied by Mel Brooks in ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'' and by ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS5E5TreehouseOfHorrorIV Treehouse of Horror IV]]", is the flagship of the narm in this movie. Summed to his fabulous red robe and rubber-like white face, it turns the character's introduction scene into a potential source of hysterical laughter regardless of the viewer's intention.

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** Old!Dracula's butt hairdo, ruthlessly parodied by Mel Brooks in ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'' and ''Film/DraculaDeadAndLovingIt'', by ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' in "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS5E5TreehouseOfHorrorIV Treehouse of Horror IV]]", IV]]" and by Genndy Tartakovsky and Adam Sandler in ''WesternAnimation/HotelTransylvania2'', is the flagship of the narm in this movie. Summed to his fabulous red robe and rubber-like white face, it turns the character's introduction scene into a potential source of hysterical laughter regardless of the viewer's intention.
18th Aug '17 10:50:35 AM AlternativeCola
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* BrokenBase:
** Mina and Dracula being LoveInterests is divisive, especially when compared to the Mina/Jonathan pairing, as some like it while others don't, and ohers think it would be better if it were handled better while others think it was handled just fine.
** Creator/WinonaRyder's performance as Mina is still hotly debated to this day. There are some who feel she was horribly miscast, and compare her unfavorably to Creator/KeanuReeves. Others feel she did a good job. A third camp suggests that the problem comes from Mina becoming hard to sympathise with at certain points. There's also the matter of her accent; some feel it's terrible, while others find it decent enough.

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* BrokenBase:
** Mina and Dracula being LoveInterests is divisive, especially when compared to
BaseBreakingCharacter: Jonathan Harker, depending on whether Creator/KeanuReeves was good at playing the Mina/Jonathan pairing, as character or not.
** Mina, with
some like it while fans feeling that she is an interesting character and others don't, and ohers think it would be better if it were handled better while others think it was handled just fine.
**
feel that she's unsympathetic. Creator/WinonaRyder's performance as Mina is still hotly debated to this day. There are some who feel she was horribly miscast, and compare her unfavorably to Creator/KeanuReeves. Others feel she did a good job. A third camp suggests that the problem comes from Mina becoming hard to sympathise with at certain points. There's also the matter of her accent; some feel it's terrible, while others find it decent enough.enough.
* BrokenBase: Mina and Dracula being LoveInterests is divisive, especially when compared to the Mina/Jonathan pairing, as some like it while others don't, and ohers think it would be better if it were handled better while others think it was handled just fine.



* TheScrappy: Mina comes across as pretty unsympathetic, especially because Jonathan is such a loving and devoted husband while she openly longs to be with Dracula. It's not helped by the movie never making it clear whether Mina is doing this of her own free will, Dracula is seducing her, or Elisabeta's spirit is overpowering her.


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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Mina comes across as pretty unsympathetic, especially because Jonathan is such a loving and devoted husband while she openly longs to be with Dracula. It's not helped by the movie never making it clear whether Mina is doing this of her own free will, Dracula is seducing her, or Elisabeta's spirit is overpowering her.
20th Jul '17 7:22:36 PM GoodGamer14
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** Mina and Dracula being LoveInterests is divisive, especially when compared to the Mina/Jonathan pairing, as somw like it while others don't, and tohers think it would be better if it were handled better while others think it was handled just fine.

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** Mina and Dracula being LoveInterests is divisive, especially when compared to the Mina/Jonathan pairing, as somw some like it while others don't, and tohers ohers think it would be better if it were handled better while others think it was handled just fine.
21st Jun '17 4:57:44 PM lalalei2001
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lucy isn't slutty, she's just flirtatious. Before she's attacked by Dracula she doesn't seem to have slept with any of her suitors, it's only after his attack does she begin to act overtly sexual towards them. This is supported by how Mina after being bitten by Dracula and is starting to turn, tries to seduce Van Helsing.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Lucy's a slut, we get it! Two parodies had fun with this, starting with the ParodyNames they gave her -- ''Magazine/{{MAD}}'' went with "Loosely", and ''Magazine/{{Cracked}}'' went with "Slutty".

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lucy isn't slutty, she's just flirtatious. Before she's attacked by Dracula she doesn't seem to have slept with any of her suitors, it's only after his attack does that she begin to act overtly sexual towards them. This is supported by how Mina acts after being bitten by Dracula and is starting to turn, tries Dracula, trying to seduce Van Helsing.
* {{Anvilicious}}: Lucy's a slut, we get it! Two parodies had fun with this, starting with the ParodyNames they gave her -- ''Magazine/{{MAD}}'' went with "Loosely", and ''Magazine/{{Cracked}}'' went with "Slutty".
Helsing.



** While many people agree it's a good film, Mina and Dracula being LoveInterests is not a good idea if you DON'T want backlash from fans of the book...or anyone who does not like the idea of vampire romance. However, many people in fact favor this couple over Mina/Jonathan. Which is not helped by the people who just hate the idea of Dracula, the definition of the blood sucking vampires, being portrayed sympathetically especially since he still kills people. Others, however, like this idea and thinks Dracula should have sympathetic qualities. Even those who like the ''idea'' often dispute whether or not it was actually well-handled.
** On the same subject, Creator/WinonaRyder's performance is still hotly debated to this day. There are some who feel she was horribly miscast, and compare her unfavourably to Creator/KeanuReeves. Others feel she did a good job. A third camp suggests that the problem comes from Mina becoming hard to sympathise with at certain points. There's also the matter of her accent; some feel it's terrible, while others find it decent enough.

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** While many people agree it's a good film, Mina and Dracula being LoveInterests is not a good idea if you DON'T want backlash from fans of the book...or anyone who does not like the idea of vampire romance. However, many people in fact favor this couple over Mina/Jonathan. Which is not helped by the people who just hate the idea of Dracula, the definition of the blood sucking vampires, being portrayed sympathetically divisive, especially since he still kills people. Others, however, when compared to the Mina/Jonathan pairing, as somw like this idea it while others don't, and thinks Dracula should have sympathetic qualities. Even those who like the ''idea'' often dispute whether or not tohers think it would be better if it were handled better while others think it was actually well-handled.
** On the same subject, Creator/WinonaRyder's
handled just fine.
**Creator/WinonaRyder's
performance as Mina is still hotly debated to this day. There are some who feel she was horribly miscast, and compare her unfavourably unfavorably to Creator/KeanuReeves. Others feel she did a good job. A third camp suggests that the problem comes from Mina becoming hard to sympathise with at certain points. There's also the matter of her accent; some feel it's terrible, while others find it decent enough.



** In the scene in which [[spoiler: Dracula is approaching London, with a storm marking his arrival]], Lucy and Mina run around outside and even kiss.. and then forget about it happening right away. [[GirlOnGirlIsHot On the other hand......]]

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** In the scene in which [[spoiler: Dracula is approaching London, with a storm marking his arrival]], Lucy and Mina run around outside and even kiss..kiss... and then forget about it happening right away. [[GirlOnGirlIsHot On the other hand......]]



* DesignatedVillain: The vampire hunters receive this treatment towards the end, if Van Helsing's comment about them becoming "God's madmen" is any indication. It may mean that their quest had lead to [[spoiler:Quincey's death]], but it also may comes across as a HeelRealization as if they became [[KnightTemplar fanatics trying to stay between true love]]... Except the monster they were trying to destroy wasn't necessarily innocent himself and they wanted to spare an innocent woman from suffering the same fate as her best friend suffered, whom the three men were in love to.

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* DesignatedVillain: The vampire hunters receive this treatment towards the end, if Van Helsing's comment about them becoming "God's madmen" is any indication. It may mean that their quest had lead led to [[spoiler:Quincey's death]], but it also may comes across as a HeelRealization as if they became [[KnightTemplar fanatics trying to stay between true love]]... Except the monster they were trying to destroy wasn't necessarily innocent himself and they wanted to spare an innocent woman from suffering the same fate as her best friend suffered, whom the three men were in love to.



** Any scene involving Music/TomWaits as Renfield or Creator/AnthonyHopkins as Van Helsing is bound to be more entertaining than the rest of the movie for viewers who don't buy it.

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** Any scene involving Music/TomWaits as Renfield or Creator/AnthonyHopkins as Van Helsing is bound to be more entertaining than the rest of the movie for viewers who don't buy it.Helsing.



* NarmCharm: The narm being said, the film is still quite stunning to look at and is most definitely entertaining for some in spite of (or perhaps because of) the goofiness.

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* NarmCharm: The narm being said, the film is still quite stunning to look at and is most definitely entertaining for some in spite of (or perhaps or because of) of the goofiness.



* TheScrappy: Mina comes across as pretty unsympathetic, especially because Jonathan is such a loving and devoted husband while she openly longs to be with Dracula. It's not helped by the movie never making it clear whether Mina is doing this of her own free will, Dracula is seducing her somehow or Elisabeta's spirit is overpowering her.

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* TheScrappy: Mina comes across as pretty unsympathetic, especially because Jonathan is such a loving and devoted husband while she openly longs to be with Dracula. It's not helped by the movie never making it clear whether Mina is doing this of her own free will, Dracula is seducing her somehow her, or Elisabeta's spirit is overpowering her.



** The first time that Dracula attacks Lucy, it looks like he is having really violent sex with her bordering on rape... in his werewolf form. Ewww.

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** The first time that Dracula attacks Lucy, it looks like he is having really violent sex with her bordering on rape... in his werewolf form. Ewww.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: While adding a love story is divisive (see above), many were annoyed with the changes to Lucy's character. In the book, she's TheIngenue. The film turns her into a shameless flirt, who makes all sorts of innuendos in public at her three suitors. Some also didn't like the unfortunate MadonnaWhoreComplex being enforced by making Mina the wholesome pure girl and Lucy the evil slutty girl.
*** This troper didn't feel there was a MadonnaWhoreComplex in the film; in fact it seemed that the film was trying to show Mina as miserably sexually repressed, compared to the joyful Lucy, who is not shown so much as a "whore" as a flirt. Also Lucy's attack by Dracula is played up as a terrible horror, not in a "she was asking for it" way. And the only reason Dracula seems to have targeted her is he saw her in his "visions" of Mina and needed a victim who wasn't the reincarnation of his beloved wife to strengthen himself.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: While adding a love story is divisive (see above), enough, many were annoyed with the changes to Lucy's character. In the book, she's TheIngenue. TheIngenue who loves all three suitors. The film turns her into a shameless flirt, who makes all sorts of innuendos in public at her three suitors. Some also didn't like the unfortunate MadonnaWhoreComplex being enforced by making Mina the wholesome pure girl suitors and Lucy the evil slutty girl.
*** This troper didn't feel there was a MadonnaWhoreComplex in the film; in fact it seemed that the film was trying
tries to show Mina as miserably sexually repressed, compared to the joyful Lucy, who is not shown so much as a "whore" as a flirt. Also Lucy's attack by seduce them after Dracula is played up as a terrible horror, not in a "she was asking for it" way. And the only reason Dracula seems to have targeted her is he saw her in his "visions" of Mina and needed a victim who wasn't the reincarnation of his beloved wife to strengthen himself. attacks her.



21st Apr '17 8:26:38 PM PhoenixAvalon
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* EvilIsCool: Dracula, specifically in his backstory and later in his youthful form.
21st Apr '17 8:42:10 AM PhoenixAvalon
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*** This troper didn't feel there was a MadonnaWhoreComplex in the film; in fact it seemed that the film was trying to show Mina as extremely sexually repressed, compared to Lucy who is not shown so much as a "whore" as a flirt. Also Lucy's attack by Dracula is played up as a terrible horror, not in a "she was asking for it" way. And the only reason Dracula seems to have targeted her is he saw her in his "visions" of Mina and needed a victim who wasn't the reincarnation of his beloved wife to strengthen himself.

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*** This troper didn't feel there was a MadonnaWhoreComplex in the film; in fact it seemed that the film was trying to show Mina as extremely miserably sexually repressed, compared to Lucy the joyful Lucy, who is not shown so much as a "whore" as a flirt. Also Lucy's attack by Dracula is played up as a terrible horror, not in a "she was asking for it" way. And the only reason Dracula seems to have targeted her is he saw her in his "visions" of Mina and needed a victim who wasn't the reincarnation of his beloved wife to strengthen himself.
21st Apr '17 8:40:39 AM PhoenixAvalon
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*** This troper didn't feel there was a MadonnaWhoreComplex in the film; in fact it seemed that the film was trying to show Mina as extremely sexually repressed, compared to Lucy who is not shown so much as a "whore" as a flirt. Also Lucy's attack by Dracula is played up as a terrible horror, not in a "she was asking for it" way. And the only reason Dracula seems to have targeted her is he saw her in his "visions" of Mina and needed a victim who wasn't the reincarnation of his beloved wife to strengthen himself.
21st Apr '17 8:29:36 AM PhoenixAvalon
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* Alternate Character Interpretation: Lucy isn't slutty, she's just flirtatious. Before she's attacked by Dracula she doesn't seem to have slept with any of her suitors, it's only after his attack does she begin to act overtly sexual towards them. This is supported by how Mina after being bitten by Dracula and is starting to turn, tries to seduce Van Helsing.

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* Alternate Character Interpretation: AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lucy isn't slutty, she's just flirtatious. Before she's attacked by Dracula she doesn't seem to have slept with any of her suitors, it's only after his attack does she begin to act overtly sexual towards them. This is supported by how Mina after being bitten by Dracula and is starting to turn, tries to seduce Van Helsing.
21st Apr '17 8:29:14 AM PhoenixAvalon
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* Alternate Character Interpretation: Lucy isn't slutty, she's just flirtatious. Before she's attacked by Dracula she doesn't seem to have slept with any of her suitors, it's only after his attack does she begin to act overtly sexual towards them. This is supported by how Mina after being bitten by Dracula and is starting to turn, tries to seduce Van Helsing.
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