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* FanPreferredCutContent: The film had a TroubledProduction which produced multiple scripted endings which some people feel would have been better than the filmed version, if only because of how they're all less dark than the nihilistically hollow filmed ending.b

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* FanPreferredCutContent: The film had a TroubledProduction which produced multiple scripted endings which some people feel would have been better than the filmed version, if only because of how they're all less dark than the nihilistically hollow filmed ending.

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* FanPreferredCutContent: The film had a TroubledProduction which produced multiple scripted endings which some people feel would have been better than the filmed version, if only because of how they're all less dark than the nihilistically hollow filmed ending.b
* HilariousInHindsight: The next time there was a crystal control panel on-screen, [[Film/SupermanTheMovie another planet blew up!]]
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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to human viewers is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour, especially Zaius who came to scold Zira and even then he refrains from telling Cornelius to avoid hitting her again.

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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the rag is bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to human viewers is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour, especially Zaius who came to scold Zira and even then he refrains from telling Cornelius to avoid hitting her again.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: This movie remains one of the least popular of the ''Apes'' movies due to its cheap production, overly bleak and nihilistic feel, clunky political commentary, and the mutants feeling far too bizarre and off-the-wall even for this series. It doesn't help that it [[ToughActToFollow directly follows the original.]]

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This movie remains one of the least popular of the ''Apes'' movies due to its cheap production, overly bleak and nihilistic feel, clunky political commentary, and the mutants feeling far too bizarre and off-the-wall even for this series. It doesn't help that it [[ToughActToFollow directly follows the original.]]]]
** Interestingly, even the film's director, Ted Post, basically agreed with this assessment, accepting the job but complaining to the producers that the script was "not making a point at all".
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* PoorMansSubstitute: James Franciscus was cast specifically because he looked like Creator/CharltonHeston (who is also in the movie, but for much less time).
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Dr. Zaius's [[ScienceIsBad anti-scientific]], [[LuddWasRight technophobic]] and [[FantasticRacism anti-human]] worldview doesn't seem so crazy when Taylor uses a human-built bomb to ''blow up the entire planet'' at the end. However, it's possible that Taylor blew up the entire planet because of Zaius' hypocritical viewpoint that humans are violent... just as [[NotSoDifferent an army of apes shoot Brent]].

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Dr. Zaius's [[ScienceIsBad anti-scientific]], [[LuddWasRight technophobic]] and [[FantasticRacism anti-human]] worldview doesn't seem so crazy when Taylor uses a human-built bomb to ''blow up the entire planet'' at the end. However, it's possible that Taylor blew up the entire planet because of Zaius' hypocritical viewpoint that humans are violent... just as [[NotSoDifferent an army of apes shoot Brent]].Brent.
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* FanPreferredCutContent: The film had a TroubledProduction which produced multiple scripted endings which some people feel would have been better than the filmed version, if only because of how they're all less dark than the nihilistically hollow filmed ending.

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* SpecialEffectFailure:
** All the budget for ape prosthetics clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes. Some of the unmasked mutants in the church scene also look pretty bad.
** The illusions that the Mutants create to deter the Apes look so laughably bad that all the members of the ape army except Zaius come across as complete idiots for being scared of them.
*** I don't know. I'd be terrified if I saw thousands of crucified people, and a freaky-looking apparition of my deity bleeding. Especially if it came out of freakin' nowhere.

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SpecialEffectFailure: All the budget for ape prosthetics clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes. Some of the unmasked mutants in the church scene also look pretty bad.
** The illusions that the Mutants create to deter the Apes look so laughably bad that all the members of the ape army except Zaius come across as complete idiots for being scared of them.
*** I don't know. I'd be terrified if I saw thousands of crucified people, and a freaky-looking apparition of my deity bleeding. Especially if it came out of freakin' nowhere.
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*** I don't know. I'd be terrified if I saw thousands of crucified people, and a freaky-looking apparition of my deity bleeding. Especially if it came out of freakin' nowhere.
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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to human viewers is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour, especially Zaius who came to scold Zira and even then he refrains Cornelius from hitting her again.

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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to human viewers is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour, especially Zaius who came to scold Zira and even then he refrains from telling Cornelius from to avoid hitting her again.
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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to human viewers is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour.

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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to human viewers is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour.behaviour, especially Zaius who came to scold Zira and even then he refrains Cornelius from hitting her again.
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Changed the description of Values Dissonance. The description implied that in 1970 the spousal abuse shown was casually acceptable behaviour. That was not the case.


* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to modern viewers -- albeit one perpetrated by apes -- is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour.

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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to modern human viewers -- albeit one perpetrated by apes -- is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour.
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Cleaning up misuse according to [1] Trope Repair Shop thread. Fandom Berserk Button is for objective misconceptions. "By most fans" makes it sound like this is about not respecting the common fanon.


* FandomBerserkButton: If you know what's good for you, don't refer to Victor Buono's character by his credited name of "Fat Man", and ''especially'' don't refer to Don Pedro Colley's character by his credited name of "Negro". Their names from the movie's novelization, "Adiposo" and "Ongaro" respectively, are considered to be their correct names by most fans.
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* FandomBerserkButton: If you know what's good for you, don't refer to Victor Buono's character by his credited name of "Fat Man", and ''especially'' don't refer to Don Pedro Colley's character by his credited name of "Negro". Their names from the movie's novelization, "Adiposo" and "Ongaro" respectively, are considered to be their correct names by most fans.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: All the budget for ape prosthetics in ''Beneath'' clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes.

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All the budget for ape prosthetics in ''Beneath'' clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes. Some of the unmasked mutants in the church scene also look pretty bad.
** The illusions that the Mutants create to deter the Apes look so laughably bad that all the members of the ape army except Zaius come across as complete idiots for being scared of them.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: This movie remains one of the least popular of the ''Apes'' movies. It doesn't help that it [[ToughActToFollow directly follows the original.]]

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* {{Sequelitis}}: This movie remains one of the least popular of the ''Apes'' movies.movies due to its cheap production, overly bleak and nihilistic feel, clunky political commentary, and the mutants feeling far too bizarre and off-the-wall even for this series. It doesn't help that it [[ToughActToFollow directly follows the original.]]]]
* SophomoreSlump: Both the first film and ''Film/EscapeFromThePlanetOfTheApes'' are universally regarded as better films than this, and even ''Film/ConquestOfThePlanetOfTheApes'' has gradually come to be seen as a better sequel due to its better production and more insightful political commentary.
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* ValuesDissonance: When Brent and Nova drop in on Zira and Cornelius, only to subsequently have to hide when Dr Zaius comes by, Zira has to pretend the bloody rag (she was using it to treat the wound on Brent's arm) is because Cornelius hit her because she misbehaved. What would seem like a ghastly bit of spousal abuse to modern viewers -- albeit one perpetrated by apes -- is barely remarked upon in the scene. No one seems to consider it unusual behaviour.
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* {{Sequelitis}}: This movie remains one of the least popular of the ''Apes'' movies. It doesn't help that it [[ToughActToFollow directly follows the original.]]
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Dr. Zaius's [[ScienceIsBad anti-scientific]], [[LuddWasRight technophobic]] and [[FantasticRacism anti-human]] worldview doesn't seem so crazy when Taylor uses a human-built bomb to ''blow up the entire planet'' at the end. However, it's possible that Taylor blew up the entire planet because of Zaius' hypocritical viewpoint that humans are violent... just as [[NotSoDifferent an army of apes shoot Brent]].
* SpecialEffectFailure: All the budget for ape prosthetics in ''Beneath'' clearly went into the full-body suits for Zaius and Ursus, along with Cornelius and Zira. As a result, the remaining prosthetics range from mediocre to downright awful, especially in the scenes showing large crowds of apes.
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