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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Creator/PeterSellers should have won the Best Actor UsefulNotes/AcademyAward for this film; he lost to Creator/DustinHoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''. (Sellers himself blamed the GagReel during the end credits for destroying the illusion of the character.)

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General opinion nowadays is that Creator/PeterSellers should have won the Best Actor UsefulNotes/AcademyAward for this film; he lost to Creator/DustinHoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''. (Sellers himself blamed the GagReel during the end credits for destroying the illusion of the character.))
** The film wasn't nominated for Best Picture, Director or Adapted Screenplay.
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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Creator/PeterSellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Creator/DustinHoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''. (Sellers himself blamed the GagReel during the end credits for destroying the illusion of the character.)

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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Creator/PeterSellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar UsefulNotes/AcademyAward for this film; he lost to Creator/DustinHoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''. (Sellers himself blamed the GagReel during the end credits for destroying the illusion of the character.)
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* ValuesDissonance: Chance was apparently isolated from society because his caretakers assumed he would never amount to anything. Nowadays, with a greater understanding of things like autism and learning disabilities, such treatment would be far less acceptable and Chance could possibly receive some kind of special education. Louise, his character mind you, deriding Chance as "dumb as a jackass" would come across as downright cruel and despicable by modern standards.

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* ValuesDissonance: Chance was apparently isolated from society because his caretakers assumed he would never amount to anything. Nowadays, with a greater understanding of things like autism and learning disabilities, such treatment would be far less acceptable and Chance could possibly receive some kind of special education. Louise, his character caretaker mind you, deriding Chance as "dumb as a jackass" would come across as downright cruel and despicable by modern standards.
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* ValuesDissonance: Chance was apparently isolated from society because his caretakers assumed he would never amount to anything. Nowadays, with a greater understanding of things like autism and learning disabilities, such treatment would be far less acceptable and Chance could possibly receive some kind of special education. Louise deriding Chance as "dumb as a jackass" comes across as downright cruel and despicable by modern standards.

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* ValuesDissonance: Chance was apparently isolated from society because his caretakers assumed he would never amount to anything. Nowadays, with a greater understanding of things like autism and learning disabilities, such treatment would be far less acceptable and Chance could possibly receive some kind of special education. Louise Louise, his character mind you, deriding Chance as "dumb as a jackass" comes would come across as downright cruel and despicable by modern standards.
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* ValuesDissonance: Chance was apparently isolated from society because his caretakers assumed he would never amount to anything. Nowadays, with a greater understanding of things like autism and learning disabilities, such treatment would be far less acceptable and Chance could possibly receive some kind of special education. Louise deriding Chance as "dumb as a jackass" comes across as downright cruel and despicable by modern standards.

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* ValuesResonance: The growing importance of style over substance, sound bites, etc. in media and politics since TheSeventies has granted both novel and film this.

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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Chance grows up with television serving as his only window beyond his SmallSecludedWorld, and watching TV is his favorite pastime, so the movie winds up presenting a large cross-section of what American television consisted of at the end of TheSeventies; the only show featured in the movie that's still on TV today is ''Series/SesameStreet''. The large clunky TV remotes frequently used by Chance and the fact that every television monitor is a CRT displaying analog broadcasts (whereas the vast majority of channels switched to digital-only broadcasting and the vast majority of households switched to LCD monitors thirty years after the film's release) also qualify.
* ValuesResonance: The growing importance of style over substance, sound bites, etc. in media and politics since TheSeventies has granted both novel and film this.this.
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** The TwistEnding of the film [[YouKeepUsingThatWord begs the question]] of [[spoiler: Chance's true nature: is he The Fool or The Messiah? The filmmakers intended the former, but knew the latter interpretation was possible.]]

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** The TwistEnding of the film [[YouKeepUsingThatWord begs the question]] question of [[spoiler: Chance's true nature: is he The Fool or The Messiah? The filmmakers intended the former, but knew the latter interpretation was possible.]]
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** Arguably, the film's existence was based on this. Kosinski wrote Chance as a representation of his fear of a style-over-substance world, having no idea someone could actually identify with such a character. Though they disagreed on the implications of his rise to power -- Creator/PeterSellers saw it as the meek inheriting the earth -- Kosinski admitted that Sellers understood Chance better than he did.

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** Arguably, the The film's existence was based on this. Kosinski wrote Chance as a representation of his fear of a style-over-substance world, having no idea someone could actually identify with such a character. Though they disagreed on the implications of his rise to power -- Creator/PeterSellers saw it as the meek inheriting the earth -- Kosinski admitted that Sellers understood Chance better than he did.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Actors Richard Dysart and David Clennon both appeared in this movie and shared a scene together, three years later bother Dysart and Clennon would appear in ''Film/TheThing1982'' as Copper, who is doctor too like Dysart's character in this movie, and Palmer.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Actors Richard Dysart and David Clennon both appeared in this movie and shared a scene together, three years later bother both Dysart and Clennon would appear in ''Film/TheThing1982'' as Copper, who is doctor too like Dysart's character in this movie, and Palmer.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Actors Richard Dysart and David Clennon both appeared in this movie and shared a scene together, three years later bother Dysart and Clennon would appear in ''Film/TheThing1982'' as Copper, who is doctor too like Dysart's character in this movie, and Palmer.
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** By modern standards, Chance could be seen as autistic rather than mentally challenged, given his behavior. Either way, is it possible he could have been, or still might be, capable of more than he already is if he'd been given professional help rather than treated as a MadwomanInTheAttic?
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* IdiotPlot: A rare case where people not asking obvious questions is part of the story's point.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: The novella is still in print, but with a picture of Sellers as Chance on the U.S. cover.
* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Peter Sellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Dustin Hoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''. (Sellers himself blamed the GagReel during the end credits for destroying the illusion of the character.)
* ComedyGhetto: The most likely reason Sellers didn't win, especially when a mentally challenged character is usually OscarBait.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: The novella is still in print, but with a picture of Sellers Creator/PeterSellers as Chance on the U.S. cover.
* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Peter Sellers Creator/PeterSellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Dustin Hoffman Creator/DustinHoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''. (Sellers himself blamed the GagReel during the end credits for destroying the illusion of the character.)
* ComedyGhetto: The most likely reason Sellers Creator/PeterSellers didn't win, especially when a mentally challenged character is usually OscarBait.



* IdiotPlot: A rare case where people not asking obvious questions is part of the story's point.
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* MemeticMutation:
** "I like to watch."
** "Now get this, honky. You go tell Rafael that I ain't taking no jive from no Western Union messenger." (More because of the [[HilariousOuttakes Hilarious Outtake]] than the actual scene with the quote).

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* MemeticMutation / SignatureLine: "I like to watch." This line is sometimes used to imply voyeurism, which amuses those who have seen the film as using it in that context is [[MisaimedFandom making a mistake some of the characters do]].



* [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks They Copied It, So It Sucks]]: Kosinski was accused of plagiarising the 1932 Polish novel ''The Career of Nicodemus Dyzma''. Nowadays, it's generally assumed the plots are not really that similar. While both feature a sudden rise of an unexpected character, Nicodemus was not simple-minded, he was poor, and at the end of the novel is usually not perceived as sympathetic.
* ValuesResonance: The growing importance of style over substance, sound bites, etc. in media and politics since TheSeventies has granted both novel and film this.

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* [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks They Copied It, So It Sucks]]: SignatureLine: "I like to watch." This line is sometimes used to imply voyeurism, which amuses those who have seen the film as using it in that context is [[MisaimedFandom making a mistake some of the characters do]].
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks:
Kosinski was accused of plagiarising the 1932 Polish novel ''The Career of Nicodemus Dyzma''. Nowadays, it's generally assumed the plots are not really that similar. While both feature a sudden rise of an unexpected character, Nicodemus was not simple-minded, he was poor, and at the end of the novel is usually not perceived as sympathetic.
* ValuesResonance: The growing importance of style over substance, sound bites, etc. in media and politics since TheSeventies has granted both novel and film this.
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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Peter Sellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Dustin Hoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''.

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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Peter Sellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Dustin Hoffman in ''Film/KramerVsKramer''. (Sellers himself blamed the GagReel during the end credits for destroying the illusion of the character.)
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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Peter Sellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Dustin Hoffman in ''Film/KramerVersusKramer''.

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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Peter Sellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Dustin Hoffman in ''Film/KramerVersusKramer''.''Film/KramerVsKramer''.

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** Arguably, the film's existence was based on this. Kosinski wrote Chance as a representation of his fear of a style-over-substance world, having no idea someone could actually identify with such a character. Though they disagreed on the implications of his rise to power (Sellers saw it as the meek inheriting the earth), Kosinski admitted that Sellers understood Chance better than he did.

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** Arguably, the film's existence was based on this. Kosinski wrote Chance as a representation of his fear of a style-over-substance world, having no idea someone could actually identify with such a character. Though they disagreed on the implications of his rise to power (Sellers -- Creator/PeterSellers saw it as the meek inheriting the earth), earth -- Kosinski admitted that Sellers understood Chance better than he did.



* ComedyGhetto: The most likely reason Sellers didn't win the Oscar, especially when a mentally challenged character is usually OscarBait.

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* AwardSnub: General opinion nowadays is that Peter Sellers should have won the Best Actor Oscar for this film; he lost to Dustin Hoffman in ''Film/KramerVersusKramer''.
* ComedyGhetto: The most likely reason Sellers didn't win the Oscar, win, especially when a mentally challenged character is usually OscarBait.



* [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks They Copied It, So It Sucks]]: Kosinski was accused of plagiarising 1932 Polish novel ''The Career of Nicodemus Dyzma''. Nowadays it's generally assumed the plots are not really that similar. While both feature a sudden rise of an unexpected character, Nicodemus was not simple-minded, he was poor, and at the end of the novel is usually not perceived as sympathetic.

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* [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks They Copied It, So It Sucks]]: Kosinski was accused of plagiarising the 1932 Polish novel ''The Career of Nicodemus Dyzma''. Nowadays Nowadays, it's generally assumed the plots are not really that similar. While both feature a sudden rise of an unexpected character, Nicodemus was not simple-minded, he was poor, and at the end of the novel is usually not perceived as sympathetic.

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* MisaimedFandom: Kosinski was frustrated that film audiences (especially younger ones) weren't unnerved by the implications of Chance's rise to power -- that style will always trump substance; that people can become so warped by TV, etc. that they will not develop their own personality -- or even realized them. Of course, Chance is an atypical example of this trope in that he isn't a ''bad'' person, but more a victim of circumstance. Due in part to ValuesResonance, however, this misaimed fandom is not as much of a problem now.

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* MisaimedFandom: Kosinski was frustrated that film audiences (especially younger ones) weren't unnerved by the implications of Chance's rise to power -- that style will always trump substance; that people can become so warped by TV, etc. that they will not develop their own personality -- or even realized them. Of course, Chance is an atypical example of this trope in that he isn't a ''bad'' person, but more a victim of circumstance. Due in part to ValuesResonance, however, this misaimed fandom is not as much of a problem now. now.
* [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks They Copied It, So It Sucks]]: Kosinski was accused of plagiarising 1932 Polish novel ''The Career of Nicodemus Dyzma''. Nowadays it's generally assumed the plots are not really that similar. While both feature a sudden rise of an unexpected character, Nicodemus was not simple-minded, he was poor, and at the end of the novel is usually not perceived as sympathetic.
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-->'''Louise:'''It's for sure a white man's world in America. Look here: I raised that boy since he was the size of a piss-ant. And I'll say right now, he never learned to read and write. No, sir. Had no brains at all. Was stuffed with rice pudding between th' ears. Shortchanged by the Lord, and dumb as a jackass. Look at him now! Yes, sir, all you've gotta be is white in America, to get whatever you want. Gobbledy-gook!

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-->'''Louise:'''It's -->'''Louise:''' It's for sure a white man's world in America. Look here: I raised that boy since he was the size of a piss-ant. And I'll say right now, he never learned to read and write. No, sir. Had no brains at all. Was stuffed with rice pudding between th' ears. Shortchanged by the Lord, and dumb as a jackass. Look at him now! Yes, sir, all you've gotta be is white in America, to get whatever you want. Gobbledy-gook!
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* MisaimedFandom: Kosinski was frustrated that film audiences (especially younger ones) weren't unnerved by the implications of Chance's rise to power -- that style will always trump substance; that people can become so warped by TV, etc. that they will not develop their own personality -- or even realized them. Of course, Chance is an atypical example of this trope in that he isn't a ''bad'' person, but more a victim of circumstance.
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* MisaimedFandom: Kosinski was frustrated that film audiences (especially younger ones) weren't unnerved by the implications of Chance's rise to power -- that style will always trump substance; that people can become so warped by TV, etc. that they will not develop their own personality -- or even realized them. Of course, Chance is an atypical example of this trope in that he isn't a ''bad'' person, but more a victim of circumstance. Due in part to ValuesResonance, however, this misaimed fandom is not as much of a problem now.
* ValuesResonanceValuesResonance: The growing importance of style over substance, sound bites, etc. in media and politics since TheSeventies has granted both novel and film this.
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** The TwistEnding of the film [[YouKeepUsingThatWord begs the question]] of [[spoiler: Chance's true nature: is he TheFool or TheMessiah? The filmmakers intended the former, but knew the latter interpretation was possible.]]

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** The TwistEnding of the film [[YouKeepUsingThatWord begs the question]] of [[spoiler: Chance's true nature: is he TheFool The Fool or TheMessiah? The Messiah? The filmmakers intended the former, but knew the latter interpretation was possible.]]
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* FridgeLogic: A rare ''in-movie'' example. Louise, a black cook who knew Chance his entire life, complains about it.
-->'''Louise:'''It's for sure a white man's world in America. Look here: I raised that boy since he was the size of a piss-ant. And I'll say right now, he never learned to read and write. No, sir. Had no brains at all. Was stuffed with rice pudding between th' ears. Shortchanged by the Lord, and dumb as a jackass. Look at him now! Yes, sir, all you've gotta be is white in America, to get whatever you want. Gobbledy-gook!
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* MemeticMutation / SignatureLine: "I like to watch." This line is sometimes used to imply voyeurism, which amuses those who have seen the film as using it in that context is [[Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint making a mistake some of the characters do]].

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* MemeticMutation / SignatureLine: "I like to watch." This line is sometimes used to imply voyeurism, which amuses those who have seen the film as using it in that context is [[Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint [[MisaimedFandom making a mistake some of the characters do]].

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* ComedyGhetto: The most likely reason Sellers didn't win the Oscar, especially when a mentally challenged character is usually OscarBait.




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* MisaimedFandom: Kosinski was frustrated that film audiences (especially younger ones) weren't unnerved by the implications of Chance's rise to power -- that style will always trump substance; that people can become so warped by TV, etc. that they will not develop their own personality -- or even realized them. Of course, Chance is an atypical example of this trope in that he isn't a ''bad'' person, but more a victim of circumstance.
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* MemeticMutation / SignatureLine: "I like to watch." This line is sometimes used to imply voyeurism, which amuses those who have seen the film as using it in that context is [[Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint making a mistake some of the characters do]].
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* IdiotPlot: A rare case where people not asking obvious questions is part of the story's point.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: The novella is still in print, but with a picture of Sellers as Chance on the U.S. cover.

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