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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: As with ''WesternAnimation/TheDeathOfSuperman'' before it, fans who had hoped for a completely faithful adaptation couldn't comprehend the number of changes/disappointments that failed to meet their expectations (Creator/KevinConroy and Creator/MarkHamill not reprising their roles as Batman and Joker as rumored and Tim Drake being replaced by Damian Wayne).
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: As with ''WesternAnimation/TheDeathOfSuperman'' before it, fans who had hoped for a completely faithful adaptation couldn't comprehend the number of changes/disappointments changes that failed to meet live up to their expectations (Creator/KevinConroy and Creator/MarkHamill not reprising their roles as Batman and Joker as rumored and Tim Drake being replaced by Damian Wayne).
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And now it's back.
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* [[HoYay Les Yay]]: HoYay: Poison Ivy's pheromones working on Catwoman is a plot point. Ivy even says that no man ''or woman'' can resist her. It helps that Catwoman is revealed to be bisexual a few years later in the New 52.
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The animation is just normal animation; there's nothing specifically New 52 inspired about it, and the costumes in the movie are post-Crisis, not post-Flashpoint.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The 2019 animated film. As with ''WesternAnimation/TheDeathOfSuperman'' before it, fans who had hoped for a completely faithful adaptation couldn't comprehend the number of changes/disappointments that failed to meet their expectations (i.e. the use of the New 52/Rebirth art style over Jim Lee's, Creator/KevinConroy and Creator/MarkHamill not reprising their roles as Batman and Joker as rumored and Tim Drake being replaced by Damian Wayne).
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The 2019 animated film. As with ''WesternAnimation/TheDeathOfSuperman'' before it, fans who had hoped for a completely faithful adaptation couldn't comprehend the number of changes/disappointments that failed to meet their expectations (i.e. the use of the New 52/Rebirth art style over Jim Lee's, Creator/KevinConroy and Creator/MarkHamill not reprising their roles as Batman and Joker as rumored and Tim Drake being replaced by Damian Wayne).
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* BrokenBase: The mainstream comics media (and even this very wiki) may give you the impression this story is universally beloved. It's not; numerous fans have accused it of having a flash-over-substance RandomEventsPlot, most prominent among them Senior "Batmanologist" [[http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-8-epic-runs-and-super-hero-furniture/ Chris Sims]].
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* AwesomeArt: Which led to Jim Lee getting a CareerResurrection and eventually becoming one of DC's co-publishers.
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* GatewaySeries: As [[BrokenBase broken the base]] can be, there's a reason for its acclaim. With its RandomEventsPlot, usage of various Batman characters as well as using Catwoman as the LoveInterest, this arc proved to be an effective way for new fans to start their interest in comics.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Detractors of the story generally agree that it would have made more sense for Jason Todd to be Hush, as was allegedly the original plan. These fans sort of got their wish, though, in the ''Red Hood'' storyline.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Detractors of the story generally agree that it would have made more sense for Hush to be Jason Todd to be Hush, Todd, as rumor has it was allegedly the original plan. These fans sort of got their wish, though, in the ''Red Hood'' storyline.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: Hush’s true identity, given the fairly transparent foreshadowing. Led to some backlash decrying the lack of a compelling mystery.
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* CaptainObviousReveal: Hush’s true identity, given the fairly transparent foreshadowing. Led to some backlash decrying the lack of a compelling mystery. Allegedly, though, it wasn't planned this way; Hush originally ''was'' supposed to be a resurrected Jason Todd, and Thomas Elliot a RedHerring, but executives got cold feet at the last minute and vetoed this.
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Let's just say Huntress' outfit raised more than a few eyebrows among fans.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Batman's line from his fight with Superman about what gives him an advantage:
--> If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person...and deep down, I'm not.
--> If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person...and deep down, I'm not.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Allegedly, Hush ''was'' originally supposed to be [[spoiler:a Lazarus Pit-revived Jason Todd]], with [[spoiler:Tommy Elliott]] being exactly what he appeared - a RedHerring SacrificialLamb. Editorial supposedly got cold feet at the last minute and forbade Loeb and Lee from using [[spoiler:Jason]].
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** What ''everyone'' can agree on, though, is that Huntress' new {{Stripperific}} costume was very, ''very'' unnecessary.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: Allegedly, Hush ''was'' originally supposed to be [[spoiler:a Lazarus Pit-revived Jason Todd]], with [[spoiler:Tommy Elliott]] being exactly what he appeared - a RedHerring SacrificialLamb. Editorial supposedly got cold feet at the last minute and forbade Loeb and Lee from using [[spoiler:Jason]].
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* BrokenBase: The mainstream comics media (and even this very wiki) may give you the impression this story is universally beloved. It's not; numerous fans have accused it of having a flash-over-substance RandomEventsPlot, most prominent among them Senior "Batmanologist" [[http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-8-epic-runs-and-super-hero-furniture/ Chris Sims]].
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* CaptainObviousReveal: Hush’s true identity, given the fairly transparent foreshadowing. Led to some backlash decrying the lack of a compelling mystery.
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* TheUntwist: Hush’s true identity, given the fairly transparent foreshadowing. Led to some backlash decrying the lack of a compelling mystery.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Riddler says that the Lazarus Pit gave him a "clarity" allowing him to learn the Batman's identity. As shown when Joker used it, while the pit gives sane people temporary madness, it can have the opposite effect on someone who's ''already'' insane. As such, the Pit temporarily rid Edward of his compulsive ComplexityAddiction, which was the main thing keeping his brilliant mind from finding out.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Catwoman asking Ivy "[[Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice do you bleed]] green?"
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* [[HoYay Les Yay]]: Poison Ivy's pheromones working on Catwoman is a plot point. Ivy even says that no man ''or woman'' can resist her. It helps that Catwoman as revealed to be bisexual a few years later.
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* TheUntwist: Hush’s true identity, given the fairly transparent foreshadowing. Led to some backlash decrying the lack of a compelling mystery.
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* OneSceneWonder: SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor.ComicBook/LexLuthor. Finds out Batman kidnapped [=LexCorp=] CEO Talia and promises vengeance...[[VaguenessIsComing Soon.]] Expanded upon in Loeb’s ''ComicBook/SupermanBatman'' series.
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* OneSceneWonder: President Luthor. SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor. Finds out Batman kidnapped LexCorp [=LexCorp=] CEO Talia and promises vengeance...[[VaguenessIsComing Soon.]] Expanded upon in Loeb’s ''ComicBook/SupermanBatman'' series.
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