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21st Apr '16 5:35:03 AM Berrenta
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* {{Anvilicious}}, may or may not overlap with SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped depending on your mileage.
27th Mar '16 3:57:46 PM nombretomado
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* AwardSnub: Many consider that TheHurtLocker winning out over Avatar in the 2010 Oscars and the [=BAFTAs=] was in a magnitude comparable to AnnieHall winning out over StarWars back in 1977. There was a running joke among both fans and haters that voters supported ''The Hurt Locker'' and Kathryn Bigelow as an explicit means of snubbing Creator/JamesCameron. Talk about a TakeThat.

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* AwardSnub: Many consider that TheHurtLocker ''Film/TheHurtLocker'' winning out over Avatar ''Avatar'' in the 2010 Oscars and the [=BAFTAs=] was in a magnitude comparable to AnnieHall ''Film/AnnieHall'' winning out over StarWars ''Franchise/StarWars'' back in 1977. There was a running joke among both fans and haters that voters supported ''The Hurt Locker'' and Kathryn Bigelow as an explicit means of snubbing Creator/JamesCameron. Talk about a TakeThat.



** One of Stephen Lang's (Quaritch) earlier roles was in ''TallTale'', where he played a farmer standing-up to a mining company from developing a fertile valley.
** Before the MemeticBadass Quaritch became Lang's most notable role, his previous famous role was [[{{Tombstone}} Ike Clanton]], who is the flipside of Quaritch as a completely cowardly villain.
* InternetBackdraft: A discussion on if ''Avatar'' was snubbed for the Best Picture award by the [[UsefulNotes/AcademyAward Oscars]] in favor of ''TheHurtLocker'' will spark a big one. Also, arguing that this movie has any depth at all will spark a flame war in some quarters (ThisVeryWiki included), and don't try to say that the Na'vi might've been right after all, or make any comparisons to real life events. ''Especially'' TheWarOnTerror.

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** One of Stephen Lang's (Quaritch) earlier roles was in ''TallTale'', ''Film/TallTale'', where he played a farmer standing-up to a mining company from developing a fertile valley.
** Before the MemeticBadass Quaritch became Lang's most notable role, his previous famous role was [[{{Tombstone}} [[Film/{{Tombstone}} Ike Clanton]], who is the flipside of Quaritch as a completely cowardly villain.
* InternetBackdraft: A discussion on if ''Avatar'' was snubbed for the Best Picture award by the [[UsefulNotes/AcademyAward Oscars]] in favor of ''TheHurtLocker'' ''Film/TheHurtLocker'' will spark a big one. Also, arguing that this movie has any depth at all will spark a flame war in some quarters (ThisVeryWiki included), and don't try to say that the Na'vi might've been right after all, or make any comparisons to real life events. ''Especially'' TheWarOnTerror.
9th Feb '16 9:22:02 AM Berrenta
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* GrowingTheBeard: For the ThreeDMovie trend; this movie may mark the turning point where 3D versions are no longer just a gimmick to charge movie-goers extra.

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* GrowingTheBeard: For the ThreeDMovie UsefulNotes/ThreeDMovie trend; this movie may mark the turning point where 3D versions are no longer just a gimmick to charge movie-goers extra.
18th Aug '15 4:59:49 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ItsPopularNowItSucks: See the trope entry in that page for more.[[note]][[CaptainObvious It's in the James Cameron section in the Film folder on]] [[ItsPopularNowItSucks that page]][[/note]] Considering that this is the highest grossing film of all time, its flaws have been emphasized much more than most other titles. [[note]]Heck, even the flaws of ''TheHurtLocker'' were largely ignored until after the 2010 Oscars.[[/note]]
21st May '15 12:25:15 AM SeptimusHeap
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* InternetBackdraft: A discussion on if ''Avatar'' was snubbed for the Best Picture award by the [[AcademyAward Oscars]] in favor of ''TheHurtLocker'' will spark a big one. Also, arguing that this movie has any depth at all will spark a flame war in some quarters (ThisVeryWiki included), and don't try to say that the Na'vi might've been right after all, or make any comparisons to real life events. ''Especially'' TheWarOnTerror.

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* InternetBackdraft: A discussion on if ''Avatar'' was snubbed for the Best Picture award by the [[AcademyAward [[UsefulNotes/AcademyAward Oscars]] in favor of ''TheHurtLocker'' will spark a big one. Also, arguing that this movie has any depth at all will spark a flame war in some quarters (ThisVeryWiki included), and don't try to say that the Na'vi might've been right after all, or make any comparisons to real life events. ''Especially'' TheWarOnTerror.
12th Apr '15 4:31:21 AM SeptimusHeap
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* BrokenAesop: Very much depends on whether or not you interpret the film as being anti-technology:
** On the "yes, it IS anti-technology" end, there's the troublesome (and not all that subtle) implication that the Na'vi's ability to live in technological simplicity and harmony with nature is an example mankind should learn from...despite the fact that they're a warrior culture and seem to have easy, ''naturally supplied'' access to a lot of things humans had to develop complicated technologies for (domesticated animals, medicine, shelter, etc.).
*** Not to mention the medium itself, where themes like the beauty of nature, simplicity, and forsaking technology are being presented to us in an enormous budget film whose marketing was largely centered around a technical gimmick.
** In the "no, it's NOT anti-technology" corner, there's the fact that the scientists in the film are portrayed in a positive light, that bit about Trudy aiding the protagonists by using some of the military's advanced technology against them, and the general TechnologyPorn nature of numerous scenes. To this camp, the general consensus seems to be that the film is less a critique of technologically advanced lifestyles than it is of militarism, imperialism, and out-of-control capitalism.
* Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike: Let's just say that ''Avatar'''s usage of tropes has polarized ThisWiki quite a bit to say the least. Not as much as ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'', JustinBieber, and Creator/MichaelBay, but still plenty.
17th Oct '14 2:28:49 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Quaritch. Pretty much every morally questionable action he makes can be seen in more than one light: A murderous, racist CompleteMonster, a {{Badass}} War Hero who will stop at nothing to protect humanity or someone who believes their actions are completely justifiable means to an end, combined with no small amount of stress.

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** Quaritch. Pretty much every morally questionable action he makes can be seen in more than one light: A murderous, racist CompleteMonster, ColonelKilgore, a {{Badass}} War Hero who will stop at nothing to protect humanity or someone who believes their actions are completely justifiable means to an end, combined with no small amount of stress.
10th Jul '14 9:51:55 AM Willbyr
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* FanDumb:
** The popularity of ''Avatar'' has given rise to Na'vikin (a portmanteau of Na'vi and UsefulNotes/{{Otherkin}}), who believe that they are humans with the souls of Na'vi inside of them. Yes, you read that right, and yes, it's exactly as sad as it sounds.
** There's someone who wants to form an actual Na'vi tribe in Florida (he has nominated himself ''Tsahik'' already), speaking of things like future government structure, organization of councils with other tribes, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint having "an identity card with photo, signature, barcode, hologram and other features"]], ''seeking international recognition as a new ethnic group''... Oh, and to go and speak at Native Americans events.
** "Avatar Depression Syndrome:" Suicidal thoughts brought on by a hope of being reincarnated as a Na'vi. Despair brought on because they will never get to experience the glory of the beautiful utopian world that is Pandora.
** Most recent example is the rage of rabid fans after the Oscars. Many did a 180° turn from "Avatar will rake the Awards" to "AcademyAwards are meaningless", and they use the movie's [[QualityByPopularVote stellar box office numbers as their only argument about its quality]]. Some called to go and watch the movie ''any single day'' (or buy tickets for it even if they have no time to actually watch it) to further increase its earnings and "teach the Academy a lesson". But the absolute worst are people calling to ''destroy [=DVD=]s of TheHurtLocker if they see them in any shop''.



* HateDumb: While the FanDumb of this title is quite bad, the HateDumb surely isn't any better. This is perhaps one of the ''largest'' examples of this trope as just simply putting this film on your favorites list or speaking positive about this film will make haters [[StopHavingFunGuys bash your taste in movies]] and you'll be lucky to make it out alive. As can be seen in the page history section, the discussion section, this page, and even the main page, they even exist on ''this very wiki''!!
** It wouldn't be so bad if some haters stuck to the actual flaws the film has instead of making stuff up because the RDA is kewler. For example, blaming the entire third act on Jake because he slept with Neytiri—who he fell in love with—instead of negotiating a surrender. They somehow forget the part where Jake says the Na'vi are never going to leave Hometree. Even if he was going to give it one last shot, Quaritch already had 'dozers clearing a path to Hometree. It was screwed either way.
** Speaking of HateDumb, a number of them were fans started to hate the movie because of the FanDumb, notably [[ImageBoards /tv/]] which utterly hates Avatar now because of one annoying fan. Funny considering that [[NotSoDifferent they themselves are the same way]].
** This coincides with ItsPopularNowItSucks. Quite a few of the fandom were repeatedly praising ''TheHurtLocker'' and ''Bigalow'' for making a "[[TheTropelessTale Tropeless Tale]]" (and ignoring its flaws) while picking apart the flaws of Avatar with no mercy. Ironically soon after the Oscars, many of these same fans began to trash and pick apart ''TheHurtLocker'' for all it's worth, thus proving their worth as "true movie fans".
19th May '14 6:03:04 AM Willbyr
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** {{Strugatsky Brothers}}' ''Noon Universe'' had a similar planet, complete with wildlife and the native tribes. The planet's name was... '''[[http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_planets_of_Noon_Universe%23Pandora&rct=j&q=noon+universe+pandora&usg=AFQjCNFB5ih7dJTqtWCz1M6M53cqDHTsGg&sa=X&ei=Ii8jTbfTDceK4gaJir2QCQ&ved=0CB0QygQ Pandora]]'''! Russian readers have drawn much attention to this, and Boris eventually commented: "The americans have borrowed our idea. That's quite unpleasant, but we wouldn't sue them for that, now would we?"

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** {{Strugatsky Brothers}}' Creator/StrugatskyBrothers' ''Noon Universe'' had a similar planet, complete with wildlife and the native tribes. The planet's name was... '''[[http://www.google.com/url?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_planets_of_Noon_Universe%23Pandora&rct=j&q=noon+universe+pandora&usg=AFQjCNFB5ih7dJTqtWCz1M6M53cqDHTsGg&sa=X&ei=Ii8jTbfTDceK4gaJir2QCQ&ved=0CB0QygQ Pandora]]'''! Russian readers have drawn much attention to this, and Boris eventually commented: "The americans have borrowed our idea. That's quite unpleasant, but we wouldn't sue them for that, now would we?"
22nd Feb '14 9:35:02 AM Telcontar
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* AwardSnub: Many consider that TheHurtLocker winning out over Avatar in the 2010 Oscars and the [=BAFTAs=] was in a magnitude comparable to AnnieHall winning out over StarWars back in 1977. There was a running joke among both fans and haters that voters supported ''The Hurt Locker'' and Kathryn Bigelow as an explicit means of snubbing JamesCameron. Talk about a TakeThat.

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* AwardSnub: Many consider that TheHurtLocker winning out over Avatar in the 2010 Oscars and the [=BAFTAs=] was in a magnitude comparable to AnnieHall winning out over StarWars back in 1977. There was a running joke among both fans and haters that voters supported ''The Hurt Locker'' and Kathryn Bigelow as an explicit means of snubbing JamesCameron.Creator/JamesCameron. Talk about a TakeThat.
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