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** Wrathia has taken a potion to implant her soul into the next living being that comes into existence so that she can get revenge on TITAN by having a powerful host. Unfortunately for her, she gets put into a weak human child. Wrathia's plan at this point is to convince the child, Ava, to make a pact to get what she wants.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For Wrathia to explain to Ava the details of a pact and attempt to convince her to make one by saying that she could get Ava something desirable as well.\\
'''Instead:''' While Wrathia states that she did tell Ava these details, a later panel shows that she tried to convince Ava by simply making her write the word "pact" over and over again.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' For Wrathia to make an attempt to be cordial with her host, as that would greatly aid in convincing her to make a pact.\\
'''Instead:''' Wrathia resorts to making Ava's life miserable by preventing her from making friends, causing her to lash out at everyone, and attempting to drive Ava to suicide.\\
'''As A Result:''' Wrathia has to wait 15 years to even start enacting her plan since Ava was unaware of what a pact was and what Wrathia wanted, and almost fails when Ava nearly refuses to make a pact out of sheer spite for what Wrathia has done.
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest that Tuls' submissive nature made pact making an easier process for Maggie, and therefore she wouldn't have been able to recognize it in Ava.
** Wrathia has taken a potion to implant her soul into the next living being that comes into existence so that she can get revenge on TITAN by having a powerful host. Unfortunately for her, she gets put into a weak human child. Wrathia's plan at this point is to convince the child, Ava, to make a pact to get what she wants.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For Wrathia to explain to Ava the details of a pact and attempt to convince her to make one by saying that she could get Ava something desirable as well.\\
'''Instead:''' While Wrathia states that she did tell Ava these details, a later panel shows that she tried to convince Ava by simply making her write the word "pact" over and over again.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' For Wrathia to make an attempt to be cordial with her host, as that would greatly aid in convincing her to make a pact.\\
'''Instead:''' Wrathia resorts to making Ava's life miserable by preventing her from making friends, causing her to lash out at everyone, and attempting to drive Ava to suicide.\\
'''As A Result:''' Wrathia has to wait 15 years to even start enacting her plan since Ava was unaware of what a pact was and what Wrathia wanted, and almost fails when Ava nearly refuses to make a pact out of sheer spite for what Wrathia has done.
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest that Tuls' submissive nature made pact making an easier process for Maggie, and therefore she wouldn't have been able to recognize it in Ava.
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** Pedri being Odin's Demon. This didn't stop the fandom's ecstatic reaction though.
** That Gil [[spoiler:has a crush on Odin.]]
** Pedri being Odin's Demon. This didn't stop the fandom's ecstatic reaction though.
** That Gil [[spoiler:has a crush on Odin.]]
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** b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
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** b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
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** b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
** Anytime you see an [[{{Cyborg}} elite Follower]] and the FridgeHorror sets in. [[spoiler: As shown by the Gate to Paradise, [[BodyHorror the process is VERY painful.]]]]
** b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
** Anytime you see an [[{{Cyborg}} elite Follower]] and the FridgeHorror sets in. [[spoiler: As shown by the Gate to Paradise, [[BodyHorror the process is VERY painful.]]]]
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** b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
** Anytime you see an [[{{Cyborg}} elite Follower]] and the FridgeHorror sets in. [[spoiler: As shown by the Gate to Paradise, [[BodyHorror the process is VERY painful.]]]]
** b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
** Anytime you see an [[{{Cyborg}} elite Follower]] and the FridgeHorror sets in. [[spoiler: As shown by the Gate to Paradise, [[BodyHorror the process is VERY painful.]]]]
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** Strategos Six, [[{{Determinator}} unsurprisingly.]]
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** Strategos Six, [[{{Determinator}} unsurprisingly.]]unsurprisingly]].
* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into What an Idiot! territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into What an Idiot! territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.
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** Odin fares little better. His home planet's sun collapsed into a black hole, dooming the planet if he can't find a way to fix it. The one family member he had a good relationship with went missing and one of the few ways he could track her down got broken; the rest of his family sees him as useless, with his older brother using the mission to save his sun as leverage for information on his sister's whereabouts and his other sisters constantly mocking him and leaving him for dead at the Titan HQ, and his demon psychologically tortures him in an attempt to drive him to suicide.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.
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** Odin fares little better. His home planet's sun collapsed into a black hole, dooming the planet if he can't find a way to fix it. The one family member he had a good relationship with went missing and one of the few ways he could track her down got broken; the rest of his family sees him as useless, with his older brother using the mission to save his sun as leverage for information on his sister's whereabouts and his other sisters constantly mocking him and leaving him for dead at the Titan HQ, and his demon psychologically tortures him in an attempt to drive him to suicide.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.suicide.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.
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** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory.
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** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory. While somewhat recent updates have shown Maggie still cares about Ava to some degree, others believe it's too little too late, especially given the slow update schedule and snail's pace of the actual story, to redeem Maggie's character. Especially since Maggie was perfectly willing to let Ava horrifically die in a crash early on in the story, making TheReveal come off as half-hearted at best.
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: Tuls liked a girl named Ranunculae, but died before he [[CannotSpitItOut Could Spit It Out.]] He now spends his days in Maggie's DreamLand, painting portraits of Ranunculae to the point of bordering on a RoomFullOfCrazy.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: FunnyAneurysmMoment:
**b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
**b You know that bottle of booze TITAN gives all of his potential followers? [[INeedAFreakingDrink The one that Maggie scarfed down like it was going out of style?]] [[spoiler:It was poisoned, possibly from all the muscle relaxants and sedatives that Ava finds at the TITAN base later on. [[NighInvulnerable Maggie]] inadvertently saved Gil's life.]]
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: TooBleakStoppedCaring:
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
** Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: Tuls liked a girl named Ranunculae, but died before he [[CannotSpitItOut Could Spit It Out.]] He now spends his days in Maggie's DreamLand, painting portraits of Ranunculae to the point of bordering on a RoomFullOfCrazy.
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* JerkassWoobie: Maggie, according to WordOfGod.
** This is Wrathia, to some fans.
** This is Wrathia, to some fans.
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* WhatAnIdiot:
** Wrathia has taken a potion to implant her soul into the next living being that comes into existence. Unfortunately for her, she gets put into a weak human child. Wrathia's plan at this point is to convince the child, Ava, to make a pact to get what she wants.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For Wrathia to explain to Ava the details of a pact and attempt to convince her to make one by saying that she could get Ava something desirable as well.\\
'''Instead:''' While Wrathia states that she did tell Ava these details, a later panel shows that she tried to convince Ava by simply making her write the word "pact" over and over again.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' For Wrathia to make an attempt to be cordial with her host, as that would greatly aid in convincing her to make a pact.\\
'''Instead:''' Wrathia resorts to making Ava's life miserable by preventing her from making friends, causing her to lash out at everyone, and attempting to drive Ava to suicide.\\
'''As A Result:''' Wrathia has to wait 15 years to even start enacting her plan since Ava was unaware of what a pact was and what Wrathia wanted, and almost fails when Ava nearly refuses to make a pact out of sheer spite for what Wrathia has done.
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest that Tuls' submissive nature made pact making an easier process for Maggie, and therefore she wouldn't have been able to recognize it in Ava.
** Wrathia has taken a potion to implant her soul into the next living being that comes into existence. Unfortunately for her, she gets put into a weak human child. Wrathia's plan at this point is to convince the child, Ava, to make a pact to get what she wants.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For Wrathia to explain to Ava the details of a pact and attempt to convince her to make one by saying that she could get Ava something desirable as well.\\
'''Instead:''' While Wrathia states that she did tell Ava these details, a later panel shows that she tried to convince Ava by simply making her write the word "pact" over and over again.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' For Wrathia to make an attempt to be cordial with her host, as that would greatly aid in convincing her to make a pact.\\
'''Instead:''' Wrathia resorts to making Ava's life miserable by preventing her from making friends, causing her to lash out at everyone, and attempting to drive Ava to suicide.\\
'''As A Result:''' Wrathia has to wait 15 years to even start enacting her plan since Ava was unaware of what a pact was and what Wrathia wanted, and almost fails when Ava nearly refuses to make a pact out of sheer spite for what Wrathia has done.
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest that Tuls' submissive nature made pact making an easier process for Maggie, and therefore she wouldn't have been able to recognize it in Ava.
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Uncanny Valley is IUEO now and the subjective version has been split; cleaning up misuse and ZCE in the process
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* UncannyValley: Ava's right, all the people staring at on her in [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1123 this image]] are rather unnerving.
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* FanNickname: The three still unrevealed characters that are below the hosts in the cast page have received the nickname of Star Boy, Heart Girl and Moon Girl.
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** Maggie to a lesser degree. The author herself stated that Maggie is much more sympathetic.
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** Maggie to a lesser degree. The author herself has stated that Maggie is much more sympathetic.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory.
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** Odin fares little better. His home planet's sun collapsed into a black hole, dooming the planet if he can't find a way to fix it. The one family member he had a good relationship with went missing and one of the few ways he could track her down got broken; the rest of his family sees him as useless, with his older brother using the mission to save his sun as leverage for information on his sister's whereabouts and his other sisters constantly mocking him and leaving him for dead at the Titan HQ, and his demon psychologically tortures him in an attempt to drive him to suicide.
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** Odin fares little better. His home planet's sun collapsed into a black hole, dooming the planet if he can't find a way to fix it. The one family member he had a good relationship with went missing and one of the few ways he could track her down got broken; the rest of his family sees him as useless, with his older brother using the mission to save his sun as leverage for information on his sister's whereabouts and his other sisters constantly mocking him and leaving him for dead at the Titan HQ, and his demon psychologically tortures him in an attempt to drive him to suicide.suicide.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has only taken place over the course of a couple days.
** The fanbase is again upset, largely because of Maggie's treatment of Ava post-pact potion, with some even pointing out that Maggie, more than anyone, should have understood what happened to Ava. Others suggest it falls into WhatAnIdiot territory.
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* {{Squick}}: [[spoiler: ''[[BodyHorror Everything]]'' about Prudith's transformation.]]
** After her argument [[spoiler: with Gil, Ava starts picking out her own elongated nails each in grief and anger to the point where she starts bleeding.]]
** After her argument [[spoiler: with Gil, Ava starts picking out her own elongated nails each in grief and anger to the point where she starts bleeding.]]
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* FandomSpecificPlot: WhatIf scenarios of each one of the characters with swapped demons, particularly, Pride!Ava is quite popular.
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* FanficFuel: WhatIf scenarios of each one of the characters with swapped demons, particularly, Pride!Ava is quite popular.
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* HolyShitQuotient: [[spoiler: Through the roof as of [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1980 this update, where Nevy recognizes Wrathia and remembers her past before collapsing into sea foam, and Gil becomes so angry he ruins Ava's pact book and slaps her, shattering half of her Limbo Lenses.]]]]
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* ShockingMoments: [[spoiler: Through the roof as of [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1980 this update, where Nevy recognizes Wrathia and remembers her past before collapsing into sea foam, and Gil becomes so angry he ruins Ava's pact book and slaps her, shattering half of her Limbo Lenses.]]]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** This is however easily passed off, considering the story has barely started as of entering Titan's base.
*** Indeed, in-story it's been about...'''one day''' since most of the main characters have met and properly interacted as of Chapter 21, outside of Maggie and Ava (and however long Odin was faking his interest in Maggie, which probably didn't involve a lot of genuine interaction). Literally. And even Odin's offer to bring Ava to the safety of his planet, while way more genuine than their being stranded on [[CrapsaccharineWorld TITAN's]] [[{{Dystopia}} headquarters]] by Gil, seems to have the underlying motive of his interest in her condition being alike to Maggie's. They would probably need time to get to like and know each other, and that might take much longer depending on the person with Wrava's actions.
** This is however easily passed off, considering the story has barely started as of entering Titan's base.
*** Indeed, in-story it's been about...'''one day''' since most of the main characters have met and properly interacted as of Chapter 21, outside of Maggie and Ava (and however long Odin was faking his interest in Maggie, which probably didn't involve a lot of genuine interaction). Literally. And even Odin's offer to bring Ava to the safety of his planet, while way more genuine than their being stranded on [[CrapsaccharineWorld TITAN's]] [[{{Dystopia}} headquarters]] by Gil, seems to have the underlying motive of his interest in her condition being alike to Maggie's. They would probably need time to get to like and know each other, and that might take much longer depending on the person with Wrava's actions.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Despite the supposed point of the story being Ava helping Wrathia reunite the demons together to take on TITAN, readers have pointed out that despite everything ''nobody'' likes Ava at all (some fans even consider it to be increasingly contrived) and she is no closer to even getting one person on her side after several years worth of pages making her quest seem pointless. Her recent moral event horizon moment has done little to help the fandom's apathy.
** This is however easily passed off, consideringapathy. Possibly mitigated by the fact that the story so far has barely started as of entering Titan's base.
*** Indeed, in-story it's been about...'''one day''' since most ofonly taken place over the main characters have met and properly interacted as course of Chapter 21, outside of Maggie and Ava (and however long Odin was faking his interest in Maggie, which probably didn't involve a lot of genuine interaction). Literally. And even Odin's offer to bring Ava to the safety of his planet, while way more genuine than their being stranded on [[CrapsaccharineWorld TITAN's]] [[{{Dystopia}} headquarters]] by Gil, seems to have the underlying motive of his interest in her condition being alike to Maggie's. They would probably need time to get to like and know each other, and that might take much longer depending on the person with Wrava's actions.couple days.
** This is however easily passed off, considering
*** Indeed, in-story it's been about...'''one day''' since most of
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** The accidental sort [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php?page=0770 here.]] Lampshaded by Odin shortly afterwards.
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** The accidental sort [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php?page=0770 php#0770 here.]] Lampshaded by Odin shortly afterwards.
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* CreepyAwesome: All the demons, really, but especially Pedri, who just looks so damn ''[[CoolMask cool]]''.
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* CreepyAwesome: All the demons, really, (with the possible exception of [[TheEeyore Tuls]]) but especially Pedri, who who's terrifying but also just looks so damn ''[[CoolMask cool]]''.
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** Tuls is quite popular too, since he's one of the [[TheEeyore saddest]] and [[NiceGuy sweetest]] of the demons and, unlike the others, [[TOkenGoodTeammate has yet to do anything horrible to anyone]].
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** Tuls is quite popular too, since he's one of the [[TheEeyore saddest]] and [[NiceGuy sweetest]] of the demons and, unlike the others, [[TOkenGoodTeammate [[TokenGoodTeammate has yet to do anything horrible to anyone]].anyone]].
** Strategos Six, [[{{Determinator}} unsurprisingly.]]
** Strategos Six, [[{{Determinator}} unsurprisingly.]]
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* CreepyAwesome: All the demons, really, but especially Pedri, who just looks so damn ''[[CoolMask cool]]''.
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** Tuls is quite popular too, since he's one of the [[TheEeyore saddest]] and [[NiceGuy sweetest]] of the demons and, unlike the others, [[TOkenGoodTeammate has yet to do anything horrible to anyone]].
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Merita, Crow's girlfriend. She is not noly an amazingly sweet cute girl who is responsible for being Crow's CutenessProximity, she also composes one of the few characters of the entire comic to not have tried murdering, torturing or attacking anyone.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Merita, Crow's girlfriend. She is not noly only an amazingly sweet cute girl who is responsible for being Crow's CutenessProximity, she also composes one of the few characters of the entire comic to not have tried murdering, torturing or attacking anyone.
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* HolyShitQuotient: [[spoiler: Through the roof as of [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1980 this update.]]]]
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* HolyShitQuotient: [[spoiler: Through the roof as of [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1980 this update.update, where Nevy recognizes Wrathia and remembers her past before collapsing into sea foam, and Gil becomes so angry he ruins Ava's pact book and slaps her, shattering half of her Limbo Lenses.]]]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Michelle has stated that Maggie is not a bitch, but someone troubled, who is sad and angry. However, some fans think that it hasn't been given them yet enough material to sympathize with her as this has yet to be translated into the comic, given her actions throughtout. For the most part, she's perceived by fans to just be a huge bitch that is angry at people who have nothing to do with her problems. That being said, it should be noted that the events of the comic take course over the span of one day, leaving very little time for her to develop in universe.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movies, but especially [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1546 page 1546]]'s.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movies, but especially [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1546 page 1546]]'s.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Michelle has stated that Maggie is not a bitch, but someone troubled, who is sad and angry. However, some fans think that it hasn't been given them yet enough material to sympathize with her as this has yet to be translated into the comic, given her actions throughtout.throughout. For the most part, she's perceived by fans to just be a huge bitch that is angry at people who have nothing to do with her problems. That being said, it should be noted that the events of the comic take course over the span of one day, leaving very little time for her to develop in universe.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movies, but especially [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1546 page1546]]'s.1546]]'s, where [[spoiler:Strategos Six and Wrava face off]].
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movies, but especially [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1546 page
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** The hiatus from 2015 to 2016 has been met with a lot of discontent. The little updates we did get--though infrequent--really wows the audience.
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** The hiatus from 2015 to 2016 has had been met with a lot of discontent. The little updates we did get--though that came out--though infrequent--really wows wowed the audience.
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** Wrathia made the entirety of Ava's life miserable and constantly tormented her, simply because she wouldn't agree to make a 'pact'. Maybe if she'd actually '''explained''' what said pact was at any point, Ava would have be more amenable to cooperating.
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest that Tuls submissive nature made pact making an easier process for Maggie, and therefore she wouldn't have been able to recognize it in Ava.
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest that Tuls submissive nature made pact making an easier process for Maggie, and therefore she wouldn't have been able to recognize it in Ava.
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** Wrathia made has taken a potion to implant her soul into the entirety next living being that comes into existence. Unfortunately for her, she gets put into a weak human child. Wrathia's plan at this point is to convince the child, Ava, to make a pact to get what she wants.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For Wrathia to explain to Ava the details of a pact and attempt to convince her to make one by saying that she could get Ava something desirable as well.\\
'''Instead:''' While Wrathia states that she did tell Ava these details, a later panel shows that she tried to convince Ava by simply making her write the word "pact" over and over again.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' For Wrathia to make an attempt to be cordial with her host, as that would greatly aid in convincing her to make a pact.\\
'''Instead:''' Wrathia resorts to making Ava's life miserable by preventing her from making friends, causing her to lash out at everyone, andconstantly tormented her, simply because she wouldn't agree attempting to drive Ava to suicide.\\
'''As A Result:''' Wrathia has to wait 15 years to even start enacting her plan since Ava was unaware of what a pact was and what Wrathia wanted, and almost fails when Ava nearly refuses to make a'pact'. Maybe if she'd actually '''explained''' pact out of sheer spite for what said pact was at any point, Ava would have be more amenable to cooperating.
Wrathia has done.
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest thatTuls Tuls' submissive nature made pact making an easier process for Maggie, and therefore she wouldn't have been able to recognize it in Ava.
'''You'd Expect:''' For Wrathia to explain to Ava the details of a pact and attempt to convince her to make one by saying that she could get Ava something desirable as well.\\
'''Instead:''' While Wrathia states that she did tell Ava these details, a later panel shows that she tried to convince Ava by simply making her write the word "pact" over and over again.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' For Wrathia to make an attempt to be cordial with her host, as that would greatly aid in convincing her to make a pact.\\
'''Instead:''' Wrathia resorts to making Ava's life miserable by preventing her from making friends, causing her to lash out at everyone, and
'''As A Result:''' Wrathia has to wait 15 years to even start enacting her plan since Ava was unaware of what a pact was and what Wrathia wanted, and almost fails when Ava nearly refuses to make a
** Maggie's characterization has been accused of this, with many pointing out she should have been able to recognize that Ava took a pact-potion, or at the very least that Ava has been harassed by a demon much like she has. Others suggest that
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** Gil. [[spoiler: Watching your home planet be ravaged by Silent Scavengers and dying from horrific injuries will do that to you.]]
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** Gil. [[spoiler: Watching your home planet be ravaged by Silent Scavengers and dying from horrific injuries will do that to you. This gets even worse with the revelation that TITAN caused this to happen to ensure loyalty among his subjects.]]
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** Oh, dear God Ava. Having a demon who has constantly tried to kill her and caused her to have zero friends, as well as hints of suicidal depression from Ava? It's a miracle she's even ''alive.''
** Before he became a demon, Tuls [[spoiler:was a guard serving a Princess that [[BodyguardCrush he fell in love with.]] His side of the pact involves seeing her one final time and finally confessing his feelings. Even if that means he will be rejected. Being the demon of Maggie certainly adds to the woobie factor as well.]]
** Before he became a demon, Tuls [[spoiler:was a guard serving a Princess that [[BodyguardCrush he fell in love with.]] His side of the pact involves seeing her one final time and finally confessing his feelings. Even if that means he will be rejected. Being the demon of Maggie certainly adds to the woobie factor as well.]]
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** Oh, Oh dear God God, Ava. Having a demon who has constantly tried to kill her and caused her to have zero friends, as well as hints of suicidal depression from Ava? It's a miracle she's even ''alive.''
** Before he became a demon, Tuls[[spoiler:was was a guard serving a Princess that [[BodyguardCrush he fell in love with.]] with. His side of the pact involves seeing her one final time and finally confessing his feelings. Even if that means he will be rejected. Being the demon of Maggie certainly adds to the woobie factor as well.]]]]
** Odin fares little better. His home planet's sun collapsed into a black hole, dooming the planet if he can't find a way to fix it. The one family member he had a good relationship with went missing and one of the few ways he could track her down got broken; the rest of his family sees him as useless, with his older brother using the mission to save his sun as leverage for information on his sister's whereabouts and his other sisters constantly mocking him and leaving him for dead at the Titan HQ, and his demon psychologically tortures him in an attempt to drive him to suicide.
** Before he became a demon, Tuls
** Odin fares little better. His home planet's sun collapsed into a black hole, dooming the planet if he can't find a way to fix it. The one family member he had a good relationship with went missing and one of the few ways he could track her down got broken; the rest of his family sees him as useless, with his older brother using the mission to save his sun as leverage for information on his sister's whereabouts and his other sisters constantly mocking him and leaving him for dead at the Titan HQ, and his demon psychologically tortures him in an attempt to drive him to suicide.
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** Editing Pedri zipping his face open to reveal a meme (for example, [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants a real gorilla]]) underneath.
** Editing Pedri zipping his face open to reveal a meme (for example, [[WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants a real gorilla]]) underneath.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movies, but especially [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1546 page 1546]]'s.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The movies, but especially [[http://www.avasdemon.com/pages.php#1546 page 1546]]'s.
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* BrokenBase:
** The author saying that there were no asexual characters after a certain character was called a virgin as an insult caused some controversy in the fandom, which [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings ended up in the author deleting her tumblr blog after heaps of harassment for her supposed acephobia]].[[note]]The author stated that she didn't know enough about asexuality to have an ace character shoehorned into an already written story, and would need to do some research in order to accurately portray asexuality.[[/note]]
** The censoring of language in the comic in order to appeal to publishers has broken the base quite a bit.
** The author put out a very loose sketch of FanPreferredCouple Ava and Maggie doing lewd things and there was a bit of schism in the fandom.
** Once again the base was broken when the author uploaded 'Dolce Vita', a piece of art of Maggie in a suggestive pose, without clothes and [[SceneryCensor covered only by various fruits]]. The resulting outrage resulted in the suspension of the author's Deviantart account, and quickly created a FlameWar over whether this was a reasonable response or not.
** Then a colorist for the comic drew an NSFW drawing of Ava and Pedri, arguing that the former had been aged up. Fans were divided, some arguing the colorist did nothing wrong because both characters were over 18 while others argued that it was inappropriate.
** The author saying that there were no asexual characters after a certain character was called a virgin as an insult caused some controversy in the fandom, which [[WhyFandomCantHaveNiceThings ended up in the author deleting her tumblr blog after heaps of harassment for her supposed acephobia]].[[note]]The author stated that she didn't know enough about asexuality to have an ace character shoehorned into an already written story, and would need to do some research in order to accurately portray asexuality.[[/note]]
** The censoring of language in the comic in order to appeal to publishers has broken the base quite a bit.
** The author put out a very loose sketch of FanPreferredCouple Ava and Maggie doing lewd things and there was a bit of schism in the fandom.
** Once again the base was broken when the author uploaded 'Dolce Vita', a piece of art of Maggie in a suggestive pose, without clothes and [[SceneryCensor covered only by various fruits]]. The resulting outrage resulted in the suspension of the author's Deviantart account, and quickly created a FlameWar over whether this was a reasonable response or not.
** Then a colorist for the comic drew an NSFW drawing of Ava and Pedri, arguing that the former had been aged up. Fans were divided, some arguing the colorist did nothing wrong because both characters were over 18 while others argued that it was inappropriate.
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