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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The portrayal of Koreans has certainly not aged well... to say the least.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: The art of the ''Ashita no Joe'' manga features the detailed art commonly found in {{Gekiga}} and boy, is [[https://en.toonsphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Ashita_no_Joe.jpeg it]] [[https://imgur.com/a/bysgwKy amazing]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Both the first and the second anime feature very catchy soundtracks.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The first anime adaptation had a Big Lipped Alligator Character created specifically for the anime (as in, he didn't appear in the manga): the eccentric old man who acted as the doctor of Tange Gym for a few episodes before the writers removed him from the plot entirely without any explanation of what happened to him. He is never mentioned again after that.
* FairForItsDay: Despite everything about [[UsefulNotes/NoKoreansInJapan Kim Yongbi]] and [[ForeignWrestlingHeel Harimau]], all the other foreign characters are treated with respect.
* FridgeBrilliance: Nishi's abrupt personality change wasn't because of [[CharacterizationMarchesOn characterization marching on]]; it was because the juvenile prison scared him straight. Considering how juvie can be, it's perfectly understandable.
* FridgeLogic: The interpretation that [[spoiler: Danpei found Joe dead in the last scene]] is fallacious as corpses do not have the strength to hold themselves up like how [[spoiler:Joe]] does. However, it's possible [[spoiler: Joe died after the events of the main story.]] (Also, DiedStandingUp is a common trope, even if it ''isn't'' realistic.)
* FriendlyFandoms / FandomRivalry: Has a bit of both with ''Manga/HajimeNoIppo'', both being boxing series. Still, the rivalry side is mostly civil, as most people enjoy both series for different reasons.
* HesJustHiding: Believe it or not, but when the manga had been completed, [[spoiler:Joe's fate was actually hotly contested as the readers didn't know whether he was alive or if he had died. It even took Creator/AsaoTakamori to confirm Joe's death at the end of the issue. Until Tetsuya Chiba debunked whatever Takamori said, saying that the ending was meant to be ambiguous.]]
* HoYay / FoeYay: Joe and Carlos. Joe at one point tells Carlos that he "fell for him all over again".
* ItWasHisSled:
** If you don't know by now, [[spoiler: Rikiishi dies from injuries sustained from his match against Joe.]]
** Yoko and Joe [[spoiler: were in love with each other.]]
* JerkassWoobie: Yongbi. On one hand he was a survivor of the horrifying Korean War at quite the young age, [[spoiler: saw his mother die in front of his very eyes, and later killed his father due to a terrible mistake.]] But on the other hand, his sordid past clearly gives him a sense of entitlement; it makes him feel that he's better than anyone else in the sport, looks down on boxing as just a game that shouldn't be treated with any passion just because there are ''rules'' in the sport, and looks down on Joe especially for struggling with his weight, just because nobody else he knows had to go through what he did. Not a good way to win sympathy points.
** Joe himself becomes this during the prison arc when it looks like Danpei has given up on him for Aoyama. He's pretty much all alone and surrounded by people who really want to see him get hurt at that point. [[spoiler:Of course, it gets better when it turns out to have been a SecretTestOfCharacter.]] Hell, Joe in general can be this before he (mostly) drops the {{Jerkass}} part; at the end of the day he's still a runaway orphan with trust issues and who, until meeting Danpei and his TrueCompanions, had never really experienced any real kindness.
* MemeticMutation:
** If another series parodies Ashita no Joe, the part they will reference is most likely the CrossCounter move or [[spoiler:the final page]].
** I remember Joe. [[labelnote:Explanation]]It has become a thing for English-speaking fans to write lyrics of "Joe Forever" (the ending credits song of the movie version of ''Ashita no Joe 2'') in the comments of Ashita no Joe-related Website/YouTube videos, to show that Joe Yabuki will remain in their hearts despite being implied to [[spoiler:have died at the end of the film.]][[/labelnote]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: After Joe humiliates Wolf in the locker room brawl, Wolf retaliates by ''beating up'' the neighbourhood children that Joe hung out with. Yeah, while Joe ''was'' a terrible JerkAss to him, it's not like the kids had a lot to do with ''that''.]]
* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: ''Legend of Success Joe''. It's so bad it's been considered to be one of the worst games for the Neo Geo.
* RetroactiveRecognition: Creator/NorioWakamoto as Kim Yongbi.
* TheScrappy: Harimau has been called a racist character and some feel that the stunts he pulls in the ring are outside the boundaries of the series' rules of realism (backflipping, walking on the ropes at the end of the ring, etc). It doesn't help that he communicates mostly with sounds.
* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: Rikiishi's death and the final scene.]]
* {{Narm}}: Some of the English speaking characters' voice actors have SoBadItsGood voices that it's not hard to laugh at them.
* TrueArtIsAngsty: Very much so after a certain point (namely [[spoiler:Rikiishi's death]]). However, Administrivia/TropesAreNotBad: most people agree that the series is an ''excellent'' drama.
* ValuesDissonance: The first anime often had Noriko's parents bickering, which is fair. It gets worse when they get violent with each other at one point - and this is PlayedForLaughs.
* WeirdAlEffect: Very few western anime fans have ever seen the original series. But the show has been parodied for so long, and by so many creators, if you've watched a lot of anime, you've seen ''Joe''.
* {{Woolseyism}}: While it had a few adaptation problems, the Italian dub of the anime had two instances of this trope:
** In both the manga and the Japanese version of the anime, Mendoza and his staff often spoke in English. In the Italian dub, all their English phrases were translated in the Spanish expected from a Mexican man.
** In the original, the gloves Mendoza had custom-ordered in Mexico specifically for the match so they would have less padding were of the Winning brand, a Japanese brand with the reputation of making the best boxing gloves in the world. The Italian dub altered the visuals to make them made by Cleto Reyes, a Mexican brand that is also well known for making every single glove by hand ''and'' with less padding than others-precisely the ones who a Mexican champion would custom order boxing gloves to.

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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The portrayal of Koreans has certainly not aged well... to say the least.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: The art of the ''Ashita no Joe'' manga features the detailed art commonly found in {{Gekiga}} and boy, is [[https://en.toonsphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Ashita_no_Joe.jpeg it]] [[https://imgur.com/a/bysgwKy amazing]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Both the first and the second anime feature very catchy soundtracks.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The first anime adaptation had a Big Lipped Alligator Character created specifically for the anime (as in, he didn't appear in the manga): the eccentric old man who acted as the doctor of Tange Gym for a few episodes before the writers removed him from the plot entirely without any explanation of what happened to him. He is never mentioned again after that.
* FairForItsDay: Despite everything about [[UsefulNotes/NoKoreansInJapan Kim Yongbi]] and [[ForeignWrestlingHeel Harimau]], all the other foreign characters are treated with respect.
* FridgeBrilliance: Nishi's abrupt personality change wasn't because of [[CharacterizationMarchesOn characterization marching on]]; it was because the juvenile prison scared him straight. Considering how juvie can be, it's perfectly understandable.
* FridgeLogic: The interpretation that [[spoiler: Danpei found Joe dead in the last scene]] is fallacious as corpses do not have the strength to hold themselves up like how [[spoiler:Joe]] does. However, it's possible [[spoiler: Joe died after the events of the main story.]] (Also, DiedStandingUp is a common trope, even if it ''isn't'' realistic.)
* FriendlyFandoms / FandomRivalry: Has a bit of both with ''Manga/HajimeNoIppo'', both being boxing series. Still, the rivalry side is mostly civil, as most people enjoy both series for different reasons.
* HesJustHiding: Believe it or not, but when the manga had been completed, [[spoiler:Joe's fate was actually hotly contested as the readers didn't know whether he was alive or if he had died. It even took Creator/AsaoTakamori to confirm Joe's death at the end of the issue. Until Tetsuya Chiba debunked whatever Takamori said, saying that the ending was meant to be ambiguous.]]
* HoYay / FoeYay: Joe and Carlos. Joe at one point tells Carlos that he "fell for him all over again".
* ItWasHisSled:
** If you don't know by now, [[spoiler: Rikiishi dies from injuries sustained from his match against Joe.]]
** Yoko and Joe [[spoiler: were in love with each other.]]
* JerkassWoobie: Yongbi. On one hand he was a survivor of the horrifying Korean War at quite the young age, [[spoiler: saw his mother die in front of his very eyes, and later killed his father due to a terrible mistake.]] But on the other hand, his sordid past clearly gives him a sense of entitlement; it makes him feel that he's better than anyone else in the sport, looks down on boxing as just a game that shouldn't be treated with any passion just because there are ''rules'' in the sport, and looks down on Joe especially for struggling with his weight, just because nobody else he knows had to go through what he did. Not a good way to win sympathy points.
** Joe himself becomes this during the prison arc when it looks like Danpei has given up on him for Aoyama. He's pretty much all alone and surrounded by people who really want to see him get hurt at that point. [[spoiler:Of course, it gets better when it turns out to have been a SecretTestOfCharacter.]] Hell, Joe in general can be this before he (mostly) drops the {{Jerkass}} part; at the end of the day he's still a runaway orphan with trust issues and who, until meeting Danpei and his TrueCompanions, had never really experienced any real kindness.
* MemeticMutation:
** If another series parodies Ashita no Joe, the part they will reference is most likely the CrossCounter move or [[spoiler:the final page]].
** I remember Joe. [[labelnote:Explanation]]It has become a thing for English-speaking fans to write lyrics of "Joe Forever" (the ending credits song of the movie version of ''Ashita no Joe 2'') in the comments of Ashita no Joe-related Website/YouTube videos, to show that Joe Yabuki will remain in their hearts despite being implied to [[spoiler:have died at the end of the film.]][[/labelnote]]
* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: After Joe humiliates Wolf in the locker room brawl, Wolf retaliates by ''beating up'' the neighbourhood children that Joe hung out with. Yeah, while Joe ''was'' a terrible JerkAss to him, it's not like the kids had a lot to do with ''that''.]]
* TheProblemWithLicensedGames: ''Legend of Success Joe''. It's so bad it's been considered to be one of the worst games for the Neo Geo.
* RetroactiveRecognition: Creator/NorioWakamoto as Kim Yongbi.
* TheScrappy: Harimau has been called a racist character and some feel that the stunts he pulls in the ring are outside the boundaries of the series' rules of realism (backflipping, walking on the ropes at the end of the ring, etc). It doesn't help that he communicates mostly with sounds.
* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: Rikiishi's death and the final scene.]]
* {{Narm}}: Some of the English speaking characters' voice actors have SoBadItsGood voices that it's not hard to laugh at them.
* TrueArtIsAngsty: Very much so after a certain point (namely [[spoiler:Rikiishi's death]]). However, Administrivia/TropesAreNotBad: most people agree that the series is an ''excellent'' drama.
* ValuesDissonance: The first anime often had Noriko's parents bickering, which is fair. It gets worse when they get violent with each other at one point - and this is PlayedForLaughs.
* WeirdAlEffect: Very few western anime fans have ever seen the original series. But the show has been parodied for so long, and by so many creators, if you've watched a lot of anime, you've seen ''Joe''.
* {{Woolseyism}}: While it had a few adaptation problems, the Italian dub of the anime had two instances of this trope:
** In both the manga and the Japanese version of the anime, Mendoza and his staff often spoke in English. In the Italian dub, all their English phrases were translated in the Spanish expected from a Mexican man.
** In the original, the gloves Mendoza had custom-ordered in Mexico specifically for the match so they would have less padding were of the Winning brand, a Japanese brand with the reputation of making the best boxing gloves in the world. The Italian dub altered the visuals to make them made by Cleto Reyes, a Mexican brand that is also well known for making every single glove by hand ''and'' with less padding than others-precisely the ones who a Mexican champion would custom order boxing gloves to.
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* AllThereIsToKnowAboutTheCryingGame: To a lot of people, it's only known as "that series with the boxer [[spoiler:who dies]]" because many anime and manga reference [[spoiler:the last scene.]] However, this is {{Subverted}} as Tetsuya Chiba said [[spoiler: the ending]] is meant to be ambiguous. So it's more as "that series with the boxer [[spoiler:who passes (either out or away)]].
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* FridgeLogic: The interpretation that [[spoiler: Danpei found Joe dead in the last scene]] is fallacious as corpses do not have the strength to hold themselves up like how [[spoiler:Joe]] does. However, it's possible [[spoiler: Joe died after the events of the main story.]]

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* FridgeLogic: The interpretation that [[spoiler: Danpei found Joe dead in the last scene]] is fallacious as corpses do not have the strength to hold themselves up like how [[spoiler:Joe]] does. However, it's possible [[spoiler: Joe died after the events of the main story.]]]] (Also, DiedStandingUp is a common trope, even if it ''isn't'' realistic.)
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* {{Narm}}: Some of the English speaking characters' voice actors have SoBadItsGood voices that it's not hard to laugh at.

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* {{Narm}}: Some of the English speaking characters' voice actors have SoBadItsGood voices that it's not hard to laugh at.at them.
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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The Koreans. Although the most of the Koreans are depicted in a neutral manner, two of the most prominent Koreans in ''Ashita no Joe'' (Kim Yongbi and his trainer, Hyun Jodal) are some of the biggest jerks in the work.[[note]]At the time of its publication (and indeed, even today), Koreans were not well-liked by the Japanese.[[/note]]. It doesn't help that all of them are drawn with slanty eyes, let alone colored with a greenish skin color in the second anime. And naturally, Koreans were offended to the point Kim Yongbi's nationality was changed in the Korean translation of the manga and several Korean dubs of the second anime.

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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The Koreans. Although the most portrayal of the Koreans are depicted in a neutral manner, two of has certainly not aged well... to say the most prominent Koreans in ''Ashita no Joe'' (Kim Yongbi and his trainer, Hyun Jodal) are some of the biggest jerks in the work.[[note]]At the time of its publication (and indeed, even today), Koreans were not well-liked by the Japanese.[[/note]]. It doesn't help that all of them are drawn with slanty eyes, let alone colored with a greenish skin color in the second anime. And naturally, Koreans were offended to the point Kim Yongbi's nationality was changed in the Korean translation of the manga and several Korean dubs of the second anime.least.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: The art of the ''Ashita no Joe'' manga has heavy use of {{Chiaroscuro}} lighting and features a lot of detail in scenery and characters, and boy, is [[https://en.toonsphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Ashita_no_Joe.jpeg it]] [[https://imgur.com/a/bysgwKy amazing]].

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: The art of the ''Ashita no Joe'' manga has heavy use of {{Chiaroscuro}} lighting and features a lot of detail the detailed art commonly found in scenery and characters, {{Gekiga}} and boy, is [[https://en.toonsphere.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Ashita_no_Joe.jpeg it]] [[https://imgur.com/a/bysgwKy amazing]].



* FairForItsDay: Despite everything about [[UsefulNotes/NoKoreansInJapan Kim Yongbi]] and [[ForeignWrestlingHeel Harimau]], all the other foreign characters are treated with respect. And as a plus, ''Ashita no Joe'' criticizes misogyny in 1960s and 1970s Japan.

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* FairForItsDay: Despite everything about [[UsefulNotes/NoKoreansInJapan Kim Yongbi]] and [[ForeignWrestlingHeel Harimau]], all the other foreign characters are treated with respect. And as a plus, ''Ashita no Joe'' criticizes misogyny in 1960s and 1970s Japan.



* {{Narm}}: Some of the English speaking characters' voice actors have SoBadItsGood voices, but Yoshito Miyamura, who played Jose Mendoza in the second anime, takes the cake. Miyamura gives such a terrible performance to the point it's hard not to laugh when Jose Mendoza starts speaking English in a dry, monotone voice.

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* {{Narm}}: Some of the English speaking characters' voice actors have SoBadItsGood voices, but Yoshito Miyamura, who played Jose Mendoza in the second anime, takes the cake. Miyamura gives such a terrible performance to the point voices that it's not hard not to laugh when Jose Mendoza starts speaking English in a dry, monotone voice.at.

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