History YMMV / ApexLegends

* CaptainObviousReveal: In Season 5's story, TheMole's identity being [[spoiler:Caustic. He's the only real evil character aside from Revenant himself. If one of the more heroic characters turned out to be the mole, their whole personality would have to be rewritten.]]

* CheeseStrategy: To avoid metagames where everyone [[LeeroyJenkins just roams the map with no regard to long-term strategy or overall ranking placement]], ranked mode generally values overall match placement with more weight than it does scoring high kill counts. As a result, avoiding any and every kind of confrontation to attempt to extend up squad placement as high as possible is prominent in competitive at all levels, an especially jarring strategy for anyone who watches competitive with the expectation of seeing mechanical skill and fights between players being showcased.

** Many Legends show signs of an AmbiguousDisorder, to the point that it's almost universally accepted among fans that Octane has ADHD and Mirage has some form of anxiety. It used to be this way with theorizing that Wattson is autistic, too, until word of God stated that she is on the spectrum.

** Though we've never actually seen it, it is almost universally agreed upon that Bloodhound has red hair.

** Season 3 introduced the Charge Rifle which has quickly become this. It's a hitscan[[note]]The only other weapon that's hitscan is the Havoc Rifle with the Selectfire hop-up, which has been removed from the loot pool for a while.[[/note]] beam rifle with infinite range, no fall-off and VERY good damage for how piss-easy it is to shoot with. The wind-up beam can also do moderate damage while slowing targets, making it even easier to land a hit. About its only weaknesses is that it's very conspicuous for a sniper and has a very slow reload, but most weapons aren't much less noticeable, so that point is moot. Aside from a scope, it doesn't need any attachments to wreak havoc on the new map, which favors long-ranged fighting. It didn't take long from its introduction for everyone to call for a nerf on the weapon. Sure enough, Respawn nerfed the Charge Rifle by increasing its ammo consumption and reducing its max damage at range.

** Hammerpoint Rounds were never really too strong, only really serving as an impromptu buff for the [=P2020=] and Mozambique, turning these awful guns into something that could potentially be useful to deal high damage to shieldless opponents and finish them off. When they were pulled from the loot pool starting Season 9, these weapons got a buff to make them no longer reliant on Hammerpoints to be usable, a buff that stayed when Season 12 added them back in. They still are merely average at best... in Battle Royale. In early Season 12 Arenas, a Hammerpoint Rounds pistol is cheap enough to be bought every single round of the game while having amazing damage due to the weaker shields early on, in some cases outclassing weapons that are more expensive than them. A nerf the month of Season 12's release increased the price of the Hammerpoint Mozambique, making it far less economical for its high damage.

* AcceptableTargets:
** In trailers, the characters most likely to die or be injured are Mirage, Octane, Caustic, and Bangalore.
** Wraith and Octane players tend to receive a lot of derision due to the stereotype that they're [[TheLoad hard to cooperate with]]; said stereotype being defined by LeeroyJenkins players who run off by themselves, get downed, then complain that nobody else is playing with them and/or disconnect immediately.
** "[[Website/{{Twitch}} TTVs]]" are next in line to be ridiculed by the playerbase. Alongside the above stereotypes of being LeeroyJenkins that try to impress their viewers by charging headlong into fights to get as many kills as they can, they're also commonly associated with [[SmallNameBigEgo trash-talking]], [[SoreLoser making excuses or accusing players who kill them of hacking]], and [[ShamelessSelfPromoter Inserting TTV into their names to plug their channels.]]

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation:

* TearJerker: "Stories from the Outlands - Northstar" gut-punched every ''Titanfall 2'' player out there. Valkyrie comes to settle a score with Blisk over the death of her father when she was a child, intercut with scenes of her life with her dad. But her father was '''[[ThatOneBoss Viper]]''', whose fight ended with Jack Cooper(i.e.: you, the player) personally putting a bullet in his head. And to twist the knife, they even show Viper bidding his daughter goodbye right before he sets off for Typhon.

** ''[[https://youtu.be/m3OlgjjqJ4s Lifeline]]'', which features as part of ''Stories from the Outlands: Family Business'', is a massive EarWorm rock song about Lifeline.

** Valkyrie, due to her characterization. While fans appreciate the nod to ''VideoGame/Titanfall2'' via her status as Viper's daughter, some fans feel like [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot they didn't do enough with it,]] with Respawn still not giving her unique dialogue when interacting with Ash as of Season 12. The real reasons Valkyrie is so divisive, however, are her relationship with Loba and her general demeanor, with some finding her ego more [[SmallNameBigEgo annoying]] than [[AwesomeEgo endearing]], while others feel like she's been reduced to a SatelliteLoveInterest for Loba, tying into the aforementioned complaints about how her connection to the Apex Predators is underutilized.

*** Crypto went from a paranoid, coolly judgmental outcast with dry wit and many hacking-related puns up his sleeve to someone much more awkward, incapable of making puns (since that's Wattson's gimmick), and put trust in Wattson with his secret identity and the fact that he is on the run from the Syndicate, despite them being her benefactors in the past and him not knowing so much about her. Like with Caustic above, either it's nice to see developments and have him open up to people he's forced to trust when partnered in the Games, or it makes no sense for his character and current situation. The most glaring issue comes in the form of Crypto's age: lore from 6 seasons after his release show he's not 31 as initially stated, now suddenly indicating he may be 22, exactly Wattson's age. This angered critics of their relationship, believing that his new age is a retcon designed to make him more viable with Wattson and avoiding [[AgeGapRomance an issue]] that a known community creator, Ryonello, had brought up to the writers in regard to Mirage and Rampart's relationship.

** "Streamer building", which refers to one of two buildings in Fragment on World's Edge: either the six-story one with two zipline elevators at the southwest corner, or the four-story one with a single zipline elevator near the middle of Fragment, close to the bridge but not connected directly to it. They're named such because streamers love to drop there: the high action from the player density in Fragment and ziplines allowing fast movement tend to create gameplay that draws a lot of interest.

** Octane, likely due to his [[BareYourMidRiff clothing]] and thin runner's build bodytype, is often drawn by fans to have a much more pretty-boy look than the mildly-disheveled face-reveal in Pathfinder's Quest shows, especially by [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff East Asian fans]]. Notably. [[DependingOnTheArtist some official comics]] actually do lean more into a prettier Octane than the rough-and-tumble look we got in the book.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: While the lack of ''Titanfall'''s famous [[HumongousMecha Titans]] in a Battle Royale setting is understandable, as it would be disadvantageous to players on foot, the inability to perform LeParkour is largely deemed as an undersight, being seen as a missed opportunity with how central it was to the main games. Respawn, for their part, have said they ''had'' parkour in the game for a long time during development, but while the wild angles of attack and ambush it allows for are certainly fun to ''do'', it ended up feeling fairly rubbish to be on the ''receiving end'' of in a battle-royale-style game with only one life (as opposed to in ''Titanfall'', where DeathIsASlapOnTheWrist).

** Bangalore had to watch her home planet go up in flames during the [[VideoGame/{{Titanfall}} Frontier]] [[VideoGame/Titanfall2 War]] and after waking up from a medically-induced coma, discovers that her brother is now wanted by what's left of the IMC for desertion. Initially, she outs him out to the IMC, but chooses her brother over her duty when a Pilot is sent to kill him, her decision to give the IMC a means to pursue them now a decision she has to live with. After living on the run for a while, an explosion on their ship ejects Jackson onto Solace, separating them. A young Crypto seemed to finally give her a break by giving her a lead onto Jackson, only for Wraith's Voidwalker counterpart to steal its drive. Now far from home and with no family, she joined the Apex Games to fund her trip back to Gridiron and find Jackson. In Season 9, [[spoiler:her crush falls in love with someone else]], while in Season 12 [[spoiler:she learns from Wraith that her brother was dead for more than five years, and her aforementioned crush burns bridges with her just for associating with Revenant, who offered her a ride back to Gridiron]]. Life just isn't fair for Anita.

* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: The game has some cool animations that really bring the LEgends to life while likely rarely being seen by the players. Some of the secret Heirloom inspect animations might come to mind first to most, but not as prominently viewed are basic weaponless animations, with some standouts being Horizon's floaty skipping and Ash's "come at me" walk cycle.

* GoddamnedBats: The general player response to Prowlers on Storm Point seems to be this. Unlike spider nests, Prowlers will actively seek out players if they move near a den, attack relentlessly, will lunge to avoid gunfire, and are fairly beefy to kill. And that's without mentioning how killing them with guns will alert nearby enemies, as well as how enemies can play defensively around Prowler nests to create severely disadvantageous locations to have to push through.

** Valkyrie was intended to avoid the [[JapanesePoliteness polite Japanese woman]] stereotype and her personality is an gender-inversion of the masculine pilot, which didn't endear her to Japanese fans who [[https://gamerant.com/apex-legends-valkyrie-japanese-criticism-video-clip/ criticized her]] at launch for 'not being Japanese enough'. It didn't help that, despite writers confirming her ethnicity, Valkyrie is of mixed race and doesn't borrow so heavily from Japanese culture, making her ethnicity seem like an afterthought.

** While Valkyrie was designed to flip the stereotype of [[JapanesePoliteness meek, polite Japanese women]] and her personality is an inversion of stereotypical pilot tropes usually given to men, Japanese fans [[https://gamerant.com/apex-legends-valkyrie-japanese-criticism-video-clip/ criticized her]] at launch for 'not being Japanese enough'. A factor in that is likely how Valkyrie is mixed race and so doesn't borrow so heavily from Japanese culture, but word-of-mouth focused more on that she's Japanese.

** A lot of pros and fairly-skilled players gravitate towards using a Wingman/Peacekeeper weapon combo. The Wingman is considered by many to be one of the best all-around weapons due to its powerful damage-per-shot, high accuracy, versatility and nary requiring attachments aside from an extended mag to be useful, and that wasn't even accounting for the now-removed-as-of-Season-3 Skullpiercer attachment which increased headshot damage even more. Meanwhile, the Peacekeeper is considered the go-to for close combat, with damage up to 110 with full bodyshots or upwards of 160 if some pellets hit the head, not to mention its tight spread and the "Precision Choke" attachment that can practically turn it into a ''sniper shotgun''. Some people opt to swap either out for another weapon but generally, the go-to loadout is "(preferred weapon)/Peacekeeper or Eva-8". Furthermore, neither weapon has significant movement penalties when aiming, making them great for a "run & gun" playstyle.
*** From Season 5 to 9, the Peacekeeper was changed into a neutral care package weapon, meaning the original Wingman/Peacekeeper combo can only be pulled off with luck now. However, the skull piercer hop-up did return, ensuring the Wingman will remain as a staple for skilled players. In addition, the Mastiff, which was introduced to the regular weapon rotation to replace the Peacekeeper, has quickly become the new shotgun of choice thanks to remaining highly effective despite the nerfs it received.
** Alternatively, players carrying light ammo gravitate towards using either the R-301 assault rifle or the R-99 submachine gun. Among the assault rifles, the R-301 has the best accuracy, most predictable recoil pattern, and most attachment slots for any assault rifle. The R-99 on the other hand has one of the highest DPS of all weapons and is surprisingly accurate with a barrel stabilizer. Both also accept light ammo, which is the most common and stackable type of ammunition in the game.
** As for Legends, Pathfinder, Octane, and Wraith are all consistently popular picks, likely owing to their tactical abilities being self-serving and not as reliant on teammates to use to their full potential. Bloodhound, Valkyrie, and Lifeline tend to follow in short order, owing to the BoringButPractical nature of their abilities. In ranked mode, Caustic and Gibraltar are picked for the third slot for their durability and area denial abilities.
*** As of Season 5, Pathfinder received a hefty nerf that increased the cooldown on his grapple hook ability to thirty five seconds. While he does still see play in the competitive scene, it’s nowhere near the same amount as the previous seasons.

** Gibraltar, Bangalore, Revenant, Pathfinder, and Valkyrie are shortened to Gibby, Bang, Rev, Pathy, and Valk respectively.
** Likewise, since they're very critical to staying on top of one's total hit points, Shield Batteries are shortened to just "batts".

** For players who play for the fights, Storm Point is reviled for being too big. For anyone who doesn't drop as soon as possible, this largeness contributes to a lot of actionless downtime where nothing engaging happens.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Seer's view of the Apex Games as a place to show off his performance and his status as a prophecized WalkingDisasterArea are compelling and present some interesting {{Plot Hook}}s, but the man doesn't have much else going for him narratively. After Quests were added to the game, due to Season 11 not having any in-game story whatsoever he's the second character to not have any role in his season's story since Horizon. But unlike Horizon, whose plot has had developments within her own season's event and has strong links to other characters through the Project: Iris team, Seer's had no story developments whatsoever and his history with the existing cast tends to be much more mild, sans possibly Octane.

** Newcastle/Horizon spawned as a result of the Season 13 trailer, but died almost as soon as it came as it was then revealed that Newcastle has a wife soon after.

** In trailers, the characters most likely to die or be injured are Mirage, Octane, Caustic, and Bangalore.

** While Valkyrie was designed to flip the stereotype of [[JapanesePoliteness meek, polite Japanese women]] and her personality is an inversion of stereotypical pilot tropes usually given to men, Japanese fans [[https://gamerant.com/apex-legends-valkyrie-japanese-criticism-video-clip/ criticized her]] at launch for 'not being Japanese enough'.

** Wattson. While some love her for her cute mannerisms, her love for [[SeriesMascot Nessie]], her puns, and the fact that she is some much-needed autistic representation, some fans despise her for many of those things and more. For some fans, she is *too* cute, and that doesn't fit in with Apex's aesthetic. Furthermore, the writers have made some questionable decisions in regards to her character, like making her [[MoralityPet the savior of villain Caustic]], taking him from a deranged individual to a sickly old man. The most contested part of her writing is when she manipulated and guilt-tripped Crypto into revealing his identity to her, a potentially fatal mistake, but nobody has called her out on it--leading some to believe that the writers think Wattson, as cute as she is, can do no wrong.
*** Furthermore, several characters are rewritten in service of Wattson. Caustic went from a menacing [[MadScientist Mad Scientist]] to the butt of jokes due to Wattson believing he is good, and the fact that the writers wrote them to have a father-daughter relationship after fanon portrayed them that way. Crypto went from a paranoid, coolly judgmental outcast with dry wit and many hacking-related puns up his sleeve to someone much more awkward, incapable of making puns (since that's *Wattson's* thing), and who trusted Wattson, someone he knew very little about, with his secret identity and the fact that he is on the run from the Syndicate--you know, Wattson's home organization of crime leaders. The most glaring issue, though, comes in the form of Crypto's age--previously stated to be 31, lore materials posted 6 seasons after his release suddenly indicate he may be 22, exactly Wattson's age, which only angered critics of the two's relationship even more, believing that his new age is a retcon designed to make him more viable with Wattson and avoiding [[AgeGapRomance other issues]] that a known community creator, Ryonello, had brought up to the writers in regard to Mirage and Rampart's relationship.

* Fanon:

** Storm Point tends to be reviled within the playerbase for being too big. For anyone who doesn't drop as soon as possible, this largeness contributes to a lot of actionless downtime where nothing engaging happens.
** Conversely, players looking to play for the late-game aren't fond of World's Edge due to the extreme ComplacentGamingSyndrome surrounding it -- Many players will downright ''refuse'' to land anywhere but Fragment, creating situations where you either engage with a quarter of the lobby at the minimum right on drop, or be forced to proceed with your original plan with one less squadmate (who will very likely [[LeeroyJenkins get themselves killed]] and [[RageQuit disconnect before you can even try to save them.]])

** Does Lifeline actually care about Octane, or does she simply view him as her burden to bear? Season 9 comics show that they consider themselves found family, but the Season 12 quests indicate that she views him as deadweight and that he NEEDS her to survive. Does this make her altruistic and self-sacrificing, or selfish and toxic? And given how Octane has indeed been contributing to his father's plans to varying degrees of willingness for his AbusiveParents situation, is she justified in her frustration or should she have been gentler to him?

* Valkyrie, due to her characterization. While fans appreciate the nod to ''VideoGame/Titanfall2'' via her status as Viper's daughter, some fans feel like [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot they didn't do enough with it,]] with Respawn still not giving her unique dialogue when interacting with Ash as of Season 12. The real reasons Valkyrie is so divisive, however, are her relationship with Loba and her general demeanor, with some finding her ego more [[SmallNameBigEgo annoying]] than [[AwesomeEgo endearing]], while others feel like she's been reduced to a SatelliteLoveInterest for Loba, tying into the aforementioned complaints about how her connection to the Apex Predators is underutilized.

** Gibraltar, Bangalore, Revenant, and Valkyrie are shortened to Gibby, Bang, Rev, and Valk respectively.

* Mirage. While undoubtedly a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]], as time goes on and he gets more and more screentime in trailers that are important for setting up lore that he ends up having no involvement in, some fans have grown tired of his constant [[AttentionWhore hogging]] of the limited lore drops that the playerbase recieves. The decision to include him in Season 13's quest despite having no previous involvement in this seasons-long storyline earned some backlash from fans tired of his non-serious personality and lack of a true character motive.
* Wattson. While some love her for her cute mannerisms, her love for [[SeriesMascot Nessie]], her puns, and the fact that she is some much-needed autistic representation, some fans despise her for many of those things and more. For some fans, she is *too* cute, and that doesn't fit in with Apex's aesthetic. Furthermore, the writers have made some questionable decisions in regards to her character, like making her [[MoralityPet the savior of villain Caustic]], taking him from a deranged individual to a sickly old man. The most contested part of her writing is when she manipulated and guilt-tripped Crypto into revealing his identity to her, a potentially fatal mistake, but nobody has called her out on it--leading some to believe that the writers think Wattson, as cute as she is, can do no wrong.
** Furthermore, several characters are rewritten in service of Wattson. Caustic went from a menacing [[MadScientist Mad Scientist]] to the butt of jokes due to Wattson believing he is good, and the fact that the writers wrote them to have a father-daughter relationship after fanon potrayed them that way. Crypto went from a paranoid, coolly judgmental outcast with dry wit and many hacking-related puns up his sleeve to someone much more awkward, incapable of making puns (since that's *Wattson's* thing), and who trusted Wattson, someone he knew very little about, with his secret identity and the fact that he is on the run from the Syndicate--you know, Wattson's home organization of crime leaders. The most glaring issue, though, comes in the form of Crypto's age--previously stated to be 31, lore materials posted 6 seasons after his release suddenly indicate he may be 22, exactly Wattson's age, which only angered critics of the two's relationship even more, believing that his new age is a retcon designed to make him more viable with Wattson and avoiding [[AgeGapRomance other issues]] that a known community creator, Ryonello, had brought up to the writers in regard to Mirage and Rampart's relationship.

** Valkyrie, due to her characterization. While fans appreciate the nod to ''VideoGame/Titanfall2'' via her status as Viper's daughter, some fans feel like [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot they didn't do enough with it,]] with Respawn still not giving her unique dialogue when interacting with Ash as of Season 12. The real reasons Valkyrie is so divisive, however, are her relationship with Loba and her general demeanor, with some finding her ego more [[SmallNameBigEgo annoying]] than [[AwesomeEgo endearing]], while others feel like she's been reduced to a SatelliteLoveInterest for Loba, tying into the aforementioned complaints about how her connection to the Apex Predators is underutilized.
** Mirage. While undoubtedly a [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]], as time goes on and he gets more and more screentime in trailers that are important for setting up lore that he ends up having no involvement in, some fans have grown tired of his constant [[AttentionWhore hogging]] of the limited lore drops that the playerbase recieves. The decision to include him in Season 13's quest despite having no previous involvement in this seasons-long storyline earned some backlash from fans tired of his non-serious personality and lack of a true character motive.
** Wattson. While some love her for her cute mannerisms, her love for [[SeriesMascot Nessie]], her puns, and the fact that she is some much-needed autistic representation, some fans despise her for many of those things and more. For some fans, she is *too* cute, and that doesn't fit in with Apex's aesthetic. Furthermore, the writers have made some questionable decisions in regards to her character, like making her [[MoralityPet the savior of villain Caustic]], taking him from a deranged individual to a sickly old man. The most contested part of her writing is when she manipulated and guilt-tripped Crypto into revealing his identity to her, a potentially fatal mistake, but nobody has called her out on it--leading some to believe that the writers think Wattson, as cute as she is, can do no wrong.
* Furthermore, several characters are rewritten in service of Wattson. Caustic went from a menacing [[MadScientist Mad Scientist]] to the butt of jokes due to Wattson believing he is good, and the fact that the writers wrote them to have a father-daughter relationship after fanon potrayed them that way. Crypto went from a paranoid, coolly judgmental outcast with dry wit and many hacking-related puns up his sleeve to someone much more awkward, incapable of making puns (since that's *Wattson's* thing), and who trusted Wattson, someone he knew very little about, with his secret identity and the fact that he is on the run from the Syndicate--you know, Wattson's home organization of crime leaders. The most glaring issue, though, comes in the form of Crypto's age--previously stated to be 31, lore materials posted 6 seasons after his release suddenly indicate he may be 22, exactly Wattson's age, which only angered critics of the two's relationship even more, believing that his new age is a retcon designed to make him more viable with Wattson and avoiding [[AgeGapRomance other issues]] that a known community creator, Ryonello, had brought up to the writers in regard to Mirage and Rampart's relationship.

* ThatOneLevel: Storm Point tends to be reviled within the playerbase for being too big. For anyone who doesn't drop as soon as possible, this largeness contributes to a lot of actionless downtime where nothing engaging happens.

** Almost all of the women get this treatment to an extent. While their body shapes are realistic and the only one who dresses anything close to provocatively is Loba in her clothes OfCorsetSexy, many fan artists draw them with curvier figures or wearing revealing outfits.

* CasualCompetitiveConflict: A recurring balance issue is the metagame disparity between public matches and ranked matches. Most notably, Defensive Legends are unpopular in public matches due to their [[BoringYetPractical less-entertaining slower playstyle]], yet they are overpowered in ranked play where there's a higher emphasis on late-game rounds in which they excel. Subsequently, changes that may seem inconsequential in casual play may permanently wreck the competitive meta.

** How some fans view Octane. Growing up [[LonelyRichKid without]] his father around has led him to perform [[AttentionWhore stunts]] for fame and thrill, all while hurting and manipulating the people who care about him so he can continue his bad habits. Come to find out, his [[AbusiveParents father]] had abused him physically before, with the Season 9 comic "Checkmate" showing that he is also verbally abusive and emotionally abusive. In Season 12, Lifeline has grown tired of him and has begun complaining about him being TheLoad, [[spoiler:making him all the more manipulable when Eduardo suddenly needs Octane to further his political career]] -- showing that despite Octane's [[IAmNotMyFather fears]], he did get some of his worst traits from Eduardo.

** Jackson being alive. Given that he was the subject of a cinematic short just before Season 12, the Williams Sendoff chronicle revolved around how we was definitely dead, and that she was departing the games to go back to Gridiron after, the reveal that he's actually alive and is the next legend to be released surprised very few since him since, if he really was dead, then Bangalore would have left the games and there would be no in-universe reason for her to continue being playable.

** Seer grew up being blamed by his entire homeworld for the slow death of his planet; he was ridiculed in school by his classmates and a transition screen lore text implies that teachers held a bias against him as well. One of [[WordOfGod the writers]] has stated that Seer has one of the most traumatizing childhoods among the Legends.

** Does Lifeline actually care about Octane, or does she simply view him as her burden to bear? Season 9 comics show that they consider themselves found family, but the Season 12 quests indicate that she views him as deadweight and that he NEEDS her to survive. Does this make her altruistic and self-sacrificing, or selfish and toxic?
* ArchnemesisDad: Octane's [[AbusiveParents father]], Eduardo Silva, has now become the one true ruler of the Syndicate, spelling out bad news for the Outlands as a whole.

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Valkyrie, due to her characterization. While fans appreciate the nod to ''VideoGame/Titanfall2'' via her status as Viper's daughter, some fans feel like [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot they didn't do enough with it,]] with Respawn still not giving her unique dialogue when interacting with Ash as of Season 12. The real reasons Valkyrie is so divisive, however, are her relationship with Loba and her general demeanor, with some finding her ego more [[SmallNameBigEgo annoying]] than [[AwesomeEgo endearing]], while others feel like she's been reduced to a SatelliteLoveInterest for Loba, tying into the aforementioned complaints about how her connection to the Apex Predators is underutilized.
** Mirage. While undoubtedly a[[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]], as time goes on and he gets more and more screentime in trailers that are important for setting up lore that he ends up having no involvement in, some fans have grown tired of his constant [[AttentionWhore hogging]] of the limited lore drops that the playerbase recieves. The decision to include him in Season 13's quest despite having no previous involvement in this seasons-long storyline earned some backlash from fans tired of his non-serious personality and lack of a true character motive.

** Alternatively, players carrying light ammo gravitate towards using either the R-301 assault rifle or the R-99 submachine gun. Among the assault rifles, the R-301 has the best accuracy, most predictable recoil pattern, and most attachment slots for any assault rifle. The R-99 on the other hand has the highest rate of fire at 1080 rounds per minute and is surprisingly accurate with a barrel stabilizer. Both also accept light ammo, which is the most common and stackable type of ammunition in the game.

** The Spitfire light machine gun has historically been a rather problematic weapon, ironically mirroring its previous ''Titanfall'' counterparts. It's bullet damage is comparable to most viable weapons like the R-301 assault rifle, but in exchange for a slight reduction in fire rate, it boasts an absolutely massive magazine size, making its suppressing fire extremely oppressive and easy to use for players who can't hit all the shots in the mag. Unlike light machine guns in other shooters, the Spitfire has good hipfire accuracy and fast reload, allowing it to compete in close-range combat on top of the mid-range combat where it already excels at. It's telling that, when it was moved to the [[PurposelyOverpowered Care Package]] in Season 10, its Care Package incarnation only undid a few of its most recent nerfs... and even then, that version isn't even the strongest the Spitfire's ever been, with the original version having higher damage per shot and a larger magazine size.

** How some fans view Octane. Growing up [[LonelyRichKid without]] his father around has led him to perform [[AttentionWhore stunts]] for fame and thrill, all while hurting and manipulating the people who care about him so he can continue his bad habits. Come to find out, his [[AbusiveParents father]] had abused him physically before, with the Season 9 comic "Checkmate" showing that he is also verbally abusive and emotionally abusive. [[spoiler:Come season 12, Eduardo suddenly needs Octane to further his political career,and emotionally manipulates Octane into destroying his friendships to remain by his side]]--showing that despite Octane's [[IAmNotMyFather fears]], he did get some of his worst traits from Eduardo. It certainly didn't help that Lifeline, his best friend, spent the whole quest calling him stupid and deadweight.

** [[spoiler:Jackson being alive. Given that he was the subject of a cinematic short just before Season 12, the Williams Sendoff chronicle revolved around how we was definitely dead, and that she was departing the games to go back to Gridiron after, the reveal that he's actually alive and is the next legend to be released surprised very few since him since, if he really was dead, then Bangalore would have left the games and there would be no in-universe reason for her to continue being playable.]]
* MemeticBadass: Fuse, due to [[MajorInjuryUnderreaction being completely unfazed by his missing arm.]]

** Almost all of the women get this treatment to an extent. While their body shapes are realistic and they dress relatively modestly, many fan artists draw them with curvier figures or wearing revealing outfits.
** Caustic, who has a {{Gonk}} appearance with sickly skin and receding is drawn by fans as having a more natural skin tone, full head of hair and either a six-pack or weightlifter's body.
** Octane, likely due to his [[BareYourMidRiff clothing]] and thin, slightly feminine body-type, is often drawn by fans to have a much more pretty-boy look than the face-reveal in Pathfinder's Quest shows, especially by [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff East Asian fans]]. It doesn't help that [[DependingOnTheArtist some official comics]] actually do lean more into a prettier Octane than the rough-and-tumble look we got in the book.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: As of her current Season 11 state, Ash misses quite a few opportunities for in-game dialogue, given her intimate connection with the history of the ''Titanfall'' universe. She could have lines with Valkyrie about her father Viper's position in the Apex Predators, talk down to Bangalore about [[{{Mooks}} the inefficacy of standard IMC infantry like her]] (or inversely Bangalore shooting up about how Pilots [[ArrogantKungFuGirl aren't as cracked up as Ash implies]], having killed one herself), take note of Wraith's pre-amnesiac life as an IMC Pilot and how Wraith might feel about it, or even just spook out Mirage (who is supposedly scared of Ash, but [[InformedAttribute only as mentioned by Pathfinder]]).

** Seer's entire homeworld blames him for the slow death of his planet, and one of[[WordOfGod the writers]] has stated that Seer has one of the most traumatizing childhoods among the Legends.

* ArchnemesisDad: Octane's [[AbusiveParents father]], Eduardo Silva, has now become the one true ruler of the Syndicate, spelling out bad news for tbe Outlands as a whole.

** Mirage. While undoubtedly an [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan favorite]], as time goes on and he gets more and more screentime in trailers that are important for setting up lore that he ends up having no involvement in, some fans have grown tired of his constant [[AttentionWhore hogging]] of the limited lore drops that the playerbase recieves. The decision to include him in Season 13's quest despite having no previous involvement in this seasons-long storyline earned some backlask from fans tired of his non-serious personality and lack of a true character motive.

** Loba/Bangalore, to the extent that when Valkyrie got added as Loba's potential love interest, she recieved waves of hate.

** Seer's entire homeworld blames him for the slow death of his planet, and one of[[WordOfGod the writers]] has stated before that Seer has one of the most traumatizing childhoods among the Legends.

** Almost all of the women get this treatment to an extent. While their body shapes are realistic and they dress relatively modestly, many fan artists draw them with curvier figures or wearing [[Stripperiffic revealing]] outfits.

[[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/how-game-awards-brought-apex-legends-character-mirage-life-onstage-1261961 These reasons led to Mirage making an appearance in the Game Awards 2019 event]].

** How some fans view Octane. Growing up [[LonelyRichKid without]] his father around has led him to perform [[AttentionWhore stunts]] for fane and thrill, all while hurting and manipulating the people who care about him so he can continue his bad habits. Come to find out, his [[AbusiveParents father]] had abused him physically before, with the Season 9 comic "Checkmate" showing that he is also verbally abusive and emotionally abusive. [[spoiler:Come season 12, Eduardo suddenly needs Octane to further his political career,and emotionally manipulates Octane into destroying his friendships to remain by his side]]--showing that despite Octane's [[IAmNotMyFather fears]], he did get some of his worst traits from Eduardo. It certainly didn't help that Lifeline, his best friend, spent the whole quest calling him stupid and deadweight.

** All of the women get this treatment to an extent. While their body shapes are realistic and they dress relatively modestly, many fan artist of both genders couldn't resist drawing the characters with curvier figures or wearing {{Stripperiffic}} outfits.

* Archnemesis Dad: Octane's [[AbusiveParents father]], Eduardo Silva, has now become the one true ruler of the Syndicate, spelling out bad news for tbe Outlands as a whole.

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Mirage gets a minor one in Season 6. One of his lines toward Rampart is “Lucky you’re smart because you’re not...” The corresponding line has her calling him pretty but not smart. Which begs the question: did Mirage stop himself because he [[ChivalrousPervert didn’t want to insult a woman,]] or did he stop himself because he [[ShipTease nearly called Rampart pretty]]?

* BestKnownForTheFanservice: Almost all conversations, memes, and fanart about Loba are more focused on her bust or booty instead of her backstory or gameplay.

** Rampart has a [[BFG minigun]] that she uses to mow down squads, all while laughing maniacally and chewing gum she found on the bottom of her shoe.

** The whole reason Octane and Lifeline went through a friendship break-up is because Octane found a video of his father Eduardo saying he loved his son, and believed that he [[PetTheDog had finally]] shown that he did love him...come to find out, Eduardo was actually dead all along, replaced by his grandfather Torres--which means the video was of Torres talking about Eduardo, not Eduardo talking about Octane.

** Dr. Reid was not a good person. After leaving Horizon to die, she spent years manipulating the scientists studying the branthium in order to steal it, all for entirely selfish reasons. But when Horizon forces the empathetic half of her original personality to resurface in the Simulacrum Ash, she returns uncertain and afraid of what is going on and what's happening to her. It's quite telling that immediately after returning to consciousness and seeing Horizon, she seems relieved that her old partner survived the attempt at stranding her in deep space, and quickly tries to tell her what happened to her son before her other personality seizes control again. The lore text for the loading screen "HELL" shows how she's forgotten her own name and that she thinks she doesn't deserve her fate, in between her detailing of [[AndIMustScream how she's forced to relive her deaths on loop]] and her cries for help. As borderline evil as she is, it's hard to not feel pity for her situation.

** Mirage has become somewhat of a joke among the community for his goofy personality, pathetic attempt at creating a dating profile and unintuitive abilities. Nonetheless, fans still love him with many finding his antic cringey yet hilarious.

* MemeticPsychopath: Canonically, Lifeline is one of the most kindhearted legends as she donates her winnings to charity and is friendly towards her fellow competitors. However, much like Mei from ''VideoGame/{{Overwatch}}'', fans imagine her as a homicidal BloodKnight who is as violent if not moreso than resident sociopath Caustic. Then again, her alternate finishers are rather brutal since they involve either stabbing a syringe into an opponent's throat or frying them with her health drone's defibrillator, with Lifeline herself sporting a PsychoticSmirk in the latter move. Then there is [[https://i.redd.it/hs7xg4z4i6p31.png this moment]] from Season 3's trailer in which she is laughing maniacally while firing her weapon.

* CrazyIsCool: Just about anything done by Octane is this - from blowing up his own legs to break a speed record, repeatedly stabbing himself with syringes to enhance his own speed, to apparently playing ''3 video games at the same time'' in the opening of Season 3's cinematic trailer.
* EnsembleDarkHorse: Mirage. While not the most popular legend gameplay-wise, Mirage is beloved for his personality. The fandom loves him due to his charm; sympathetic backstory of losing several of his family members in a war as well as struggling with anxiety from it; and the fact he still cares for his mother who has dementia - problems which cut close to home for several people who have dealt with (or are currently dealing with) similar circumstances. Also, his jokey yet grounded personality makes him the most relatable legend besides [[TeamMom Lifeline]], with many considering him to be the ''de facto'' protagonist. [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/how-game-awards-brought-apex-legends-character-mirage-life-onstage-1261961 These reasons led to Mirage making an appearance in the Game Awards 2019 event]].

** Wattson/Octane has appeared in recent times, based on the short interaction between the two in the Season Two cinematic launch trailer.

* HarsherInHindsight: Caustic's [[EvilVersusEvil in-game interactions]] [[EvenEvilHasStandards with Revenant]] become this after [[spoiler: he turns out to be TheMole]].