History YMMV / Antz

22nd Jul '16 12:40:30 PM Psyclone
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** It should be said though that apart from having talking insects, the two films are overall incredibly different movies. They have almost nothing in common. Even their Aesops are different; one is about finding individuality, and the other is about working together as a team.

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** It should be said though that apart from having talking insects, insects and having ants as main characters, the two films are overall incredibly different movies. They have almost nothing in common. Even their Aesops are different; one is about finding individuality, and the other is about working together as a team.
23rd Jan '16 8:23:04 PM jameygamer
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** Creator/JohnLasseter felt double-crossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either;[[note]]Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince of Egypt'' a la Creator/DonBluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan.[[/note]] he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin; Eisner's feud with Katzenberg was one of the multitude of reasons he got ousted from Disney in 2005, and the two men subsequently turned their feud to low-key ever since).

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** Creator/JohnLasseter felt double-crossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either;[[note]]Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince of Egypt'' a la Creator/DonBluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan.[[/note]] he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin; Eisner's feud with Katzenberg was one of the multitude of reasons he got ousted [[CreatorKiller ousted]] from Disney in 2005, and the two men subsequently turned their feud to low-key ever since).
23rd Jan '16 8:22:05 PM jameygamer
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** Creator/JohnLasseter felt double-crossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either;[[note]]Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan.[[/note]] he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin; Eisner's feud with Katzenberg was one of the multitude of reasons he got ousted from Disney in 2005, and the two men subsequently turned their feud to low-key ever since).

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** Creator/JohnLasseter felt double-crossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either;[[note]]Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's Creator/DonBluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan.[[/note]] he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin; Eisner's feud with Katzenberg was one of the multitude of reasons he got ousted from Disney in 2005, and the two men subsequently turned their feud to low-key ever since).
22nd Jan '16 12:56:10 PM HeraldAlberich
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Muffy. She's condescending and nauseating, but she doesn't deserve to get crushed by a flyswatter--complete with GoryIndiscretionShot. (If anything, she's killed because she wanted to give Z and Bala some food, but is briefly distracted by some snuggly time with her husband.)

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* AlasPoorScrappy: Muffy. She's condescending and nauseating, but she doesn't deserve to get crushed by a flyswatter--complete with GoryIndiscretionShot.Gory Indiscretion Shot. (If anything, she's killed because she wanted to give Z and Bala some food, but is briefly distracted by some snuggly time with her husband.)
22nd Jan '16 12:55:52 PM HeraldAlberich
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Muffy. She was condescending and nauseating, but she didn't deserve getting crushed by a flyswatter - complete with Gory Indiscretion Shot. (If anything, she was killed because she wanted to give Z and Bala some food, but got briefly distracted by some snuggly time with her husband.)

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* AlasPoorScrappy: Muffy. She was She's condescending and nauseating, but she didn't doesn't deserve getting to get crushed by a flyswatter - complete flyswatter--complete with Gory Indiscretion Shot. GoryIndiscretionShot. (If anything, she was she's killed because she wanted to give Z and Bala some food, but got is briefly distracted by some snuggly time with her husband.)



* CompleteMonster: [[GeneralRipper General Mandible]], a megalomaniac ant soldier [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain who views worker ants as inferior vermin and soldiers as superior]]. He manipulates the Queen into going to war with the otherwise peaceful Termites. It's implied he sent word to warn the Termites so that the Queen's troops would lack the element of surprise. Both sides are destroyed with the sole surviver being Z which irritates Mandible to no end. Mandible engineers a dig for the miners so they will hit a water source that will drown every ant in the colony including the Queen, except for his small faction of army loyalists who will be blindly obedient to him. He tortures Z's best friend Weaver to find Princess Bala after Z took her away, threatens to kill Weaver's girlfriend Azteca if he doesn't comply, then orders Z killed seconds after he promised not to do so and arranges Weaver's death as well. To start his new ideal colony he plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe force Princess Bala to marry him]] after he has killed her mother and everyone else.

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* CompleteMonster: [[GeneralRipper General Mandible]], a megalomaniac ant soldier [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain who views worker ants as inferior vermin and soldiers as superior]]. He manipulates the Queen into going to war with the otherwise peaceful Termites. It's implied he sent word to warn the Termites so that the Queen's troops would lack the element of surprise. Both sides are destroyed destroyed, with the sole surviver survivor being Z Z, which irritates Mandible to no end. Mandible engineers a dig for the miners so they will hit a water source that will drown every ant in the colony including the Queen, except for his small faction of army loyalists who will be blindly obedient to him. He tortures Z's best friend Weaver to find Princess Bala after Z took her away, threatens to kill Weaver's girlfriend Azteca if he doesn't comply, then orders Z killed seconds after he promised not to do so and arranges Weaver's death as well. To start his new ideal colony he plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe force Princess Bala to marry him]] after he has killed her mother and everyone else.



--> '''Cutter''': "''Strong''. Colony. Sir. Colony... we can be ''proud'' of."

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--> '''Cutter''': -->'''Cutter:''' "''Strong''. Colony. Sir. Colony... we can be ''proud'' of."



* {{Squick}}: In-universe, Z sees the ants drink aphid beer out of the anuses of live aphids this way.
** When Weaver was drinking one, the aphid was squirming.
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin; Eisner's feud with Katzenberg was one of the multitude of reasons he got ousted from Disney in 2005, and the two men subsequently turned their feud to low-key ever since).

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* {{Squick}}: In-universe, Z sees the ants drink aphid beer out of the anuses of live aphids this way.
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way. When Weaver was drinking drinks one, the aphid was is squirming.
* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter TheyCopiedItSoItSucks:
** Creator/JohnLasseter
felt doublecrossed double-crossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner either;[[note]]Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan[[/note]]; plan.[[/note]] he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin; Eisner's feud with Katzenberg was one of the multitude of reasons he got ousted from Disney in 2005, and the two men subsequently turned their feud to low-key ever since).



* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: Whose idea was it to cast Walken as the sane and hyper-competent Cutter?

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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: WhatTheHellCastingAgency:
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Whose idea was it to cast Walken as the sane and hyper-competent Cutter?
27th Dec '15 4:18:17 PM ngh93
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* CompleteMonster: [[GeneralRipper General Mandible]], a megalomaniac ant soldier [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain who views worker ants as inferior vermin and soldiers as superior]]. He manipulates the Queen into going to war with the otherwise peaceful Termites. It's implied he sent word to warn the Termites so that the Queen's troops would lack the element of surprise. He engineers a dig for the miners so they will hit a water source that will drown every ant in the colony including the Queen, except for his small faction of army loyalists who will be blindly obedient to him. He tortures Z's best friend Weaver to find Princess Bala after Z took her away, threatens to kill Weaver's girlfriend if he doesn't comply, then orders Z killed seconds after he promised not to do so and arranges Weaver's death as well. To start his new ideal colony he plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe force Princess Bala to marry him]] after he has killed her mother and everyone else.

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* CompleteMonster: [[GeneralRipper General Mandible]], a megalomaniac ant soldier [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain who views worker ants as inferior vermin and soldiers as superior]]. He manipulates the Queen into going to war with the otherwise peaceful Termites. It's implied he sent word to warn the Termites so that the Queen's troops would lack the element of surprise. He Both sides are destroyed with the sole surviver being Z which irritates Mandible to no end. Mandible engineers a dig for the miners so they will hit a water source that will drown every ant in the colony including the Queen, except for his small faction of army loyalists who will be blindly obedient to him. He tortures Z's best friend Weaver to find Princess Bala after Z took her away, threatens to kill Weaver's girlfriend Azteca if he doesn't comply, then orders Z killed seconds after he promised not to do so and arranges Weaver's death as well. To start his new ideal colony he plans to [[AndNowYouMustMarryMe force Princess Bala to marry him]] after he has killed her mother and everyone else.
10th Dec '15 11:17:08 PM jameygamer
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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin).

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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin).begin; Eisner's feud with Katzenberg was one of the multitude of reasons he got ousted from Disney in 2005, and the two men subsequently turned their feud to low-key ever since).
10th Dec '15 11:15:51 PM jameygamer
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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin).

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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a $90 million bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus, bonus and tripled it, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin).
10th Dec '15 11:15:12 PM jameygamer
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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin).

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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate; gate, which was one of the reasons for ''Antz's'' creation; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin).
2nd Sep '15 2:30:53 PM jameygamer
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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffery Katzenberg before he left to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail.

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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: JohnLasseter felt doublecrossed when he heard about this film being produced, considering he discussed the general idea of ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' with Jeffery Jeffrey Katzenberg before he left under bad circumstances to form Dreamworks. The fact that Katzenberg then offered to stop production if Disney rescheduled the Pixar film away from his major film, ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', ticked him off more as blackmail.blackmail (the experience didn't help Lasseter's relationship with Disney boss Michael Eisner either[[note]] Eisner had ordered ''A Bug's Life'' to open the same day as ''The Prince Of Egypt'' a la Don Bluth's old strategy and withheld a bonus in an attempt to bankrupt [=DreamWorks=] out of the gate; a federal judge ordered Disney to pay up the bonus, foiling that plan[[/note]]; he grew to despise him, which almost ended the Disney/Pixar merger before it could begin).
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