History YMMV / AngelsAndAirwaves

27th Jun '16 8:42:13 PM Angeldeb82
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* AwesomeMusic: A good deal of the catalogue, primarily "The Adventure".

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* AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: A good deal of the catalogue, primarily "The Adventure".



** Meta example: Tom's heart broken news regarding the death of Critter, who was basically TheMentor to him and a vita part of the band's sound.

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** Meta example: Tom's heart broken news regarding the death of Critter, who was basically TheMentor a {{Mentor|s}} to him and a vita part of the band's sound.



** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom was in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act. They also never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0.

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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} [[Music/{{Blink 182}} the other band Tom was in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act. They also never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0.
5th Feb '16 9:01:20 PM mlsmithca
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* MagnumOpus: Between ''We Don't Need to Whisper'' and ''I-Empire'', '''especially''' with ''I-Empire''.



** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Travis kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.

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** '''START 'START THE MACHINE'''.MACHINE'. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Travis kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.
5th Feb '16 6:06:35 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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* MagnumOpus: Between ''We Don't Need to Whisper'' and ''I-Empire'', '''especially''' with ''I-Empire''.
26th Jan '16 3:34:45 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Tom kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.

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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Tom Travis kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.


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** Meta example: Tom's heart broken news regarding the death of Critter, who was basically TheMentor to him and a vita part of the band's sound.
14th Feb '15 12:51:45 AM tenuousbreaker
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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It does however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled.

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** '''START THE MACHINE'''. A perfect song detailing Tom's emotions over the break-up of blink-182, it's pretty heart rendering hearing Tom singing his frustration and sadness over the event, but still wishes some closure from Mark and Travis. It does did however become a HeartwarmingInHindsight when blink-182 ''did'' reunite after Tom, Mark, and Travis reconciled.reconciled. It veers right back into tearjerker territory when you realize in 2015, history (mostly) repeated itself and despite Mark and Tom kicking him out the band and continuing blink without him, ''Tom still wants their friendship''.



** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is back together and [=AvA=] is still kicking while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that some fans now consider new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".
** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?

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** Served with a bit of irony in that Mark and Travis's post-breakup project +44 was much closer to a blink 2.0. Fast forward a few years, blink is got back together together and [=AvA=] is still kicking ctonied while +44 faded out, which led to a different implementation of the trope being that some fans now consider considered new blink to "just be [=AvA=] with Mark and Travis".
** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is was in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and act. They also never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped didn't stop people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. was. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown showed up up in behind the scenes shots for what eventually turned out to be the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but Tremors. However, ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in most of the ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well[[/note]] well with the exception of the Tunnels video[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
28th Jan '15 8:55:25 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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*** 'Tunnels' especially since it's about Tom's deceased father.
14th Jan '15 11:50:22 PM tenuousbreaker
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* 'Tunnels' and 'Anomaly' off of ''The Dream Walker''

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* ** 'Tunnels' and 'Anomaly' off of ''The Dream Walker''
14th Jan '15 11:49:14 PM tenuousbreaker
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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?

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** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much. Made even more complex with Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the band, though he's absent in the promotion as well]] well[[/note]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
14th Jan '15 11:47:46 PM tenuousbreaker
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** Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin to the lineup. Ilan Rubin is well regarded as a drummer, overall musical talent and a nice guy to boot, but Atom was with the band since its inception. Understandably, people would be attached to him. The circumstances of Atom leaving were amicable (he still does stuff on occasion with Tom's shoe brand, Macbeth and he's chummy with Ilan), but the reasons he left[[note]]on record as AVA taking a different creative direction, rumored to partially due to the backseat that AVA takes when blink is more active[[/note]] have gotten the fandom in a tizzy. There's also concern about Ilan easing into the band and taking a more active role in album production beyond just being the drummer ''much'' faster than the fandom anticipated. Again, let's just leave it at that.

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** Atom's departure and adding Ilan Rubin to the lineup. Ilan Rubin is well regarded as a drummer, overall musical talent and a nice guy to boot, but Atom was with the band since its inception. Understandably, people would be attached to him. The circumstances of Atom leaving were amicable (he still does stuff on occasion with Tom's shoe brand, Macbeth and he's chummy with Ilan), but the reasons he left[[note]]on record as AVA taking a different creative direction, rumored to partially be due to the backseat that AVA takes when blink is more active[[/note]] have gotten the fandom in a tizzy. There's also concern about Ilan easing into the band and taking a more active role in album production beyond just being the drummer ''much'' faster than the fandom anticipated. Again, let's just leave it at that.
14th Jan '15 11:34:47 PM tenuousbreaker
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** Matt leaving: People going "Who cares? [[NobodyLovestheBassist He's just the bassist!]]" versus the people who definitely ''do'' care, especially since Matt played a much larger role in the band besides bass, including playing synths from I-Empire onward and being involved with a lot of the band's design work.

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** Matt leaving: People going "Who cares? [[NobodyLovestheBassist He's just the bassist!]]" versus the people who definitely ''do'' care, especially since Matt played a much larger role in the band besides bass, including playing synths from I-Empire onward and being involved with a lot of the band's design work. If and when he comes back, it'll likely become a non-issue.



** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]]..

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** 'Rite of Spring' can be considered this, due to being a coming of age story about Tom's life, detailing his broken childhood due to the divorce of his parents, his start with {{Music/Blink 182}} and the eventual break up of the band, and his current status on his life. It's pretty hard hearing how Tom started, giving the vibe of him being a JerkassWoobie, especially considering how much [[FanDumb some fans blame him for EVERYTHING]]..EVERYTHING]].



* 'Tunnels' and 'Anomaly' off of ''The Dream Walker''



** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much.
* WinBackTheCrowd: While AVA hasn't done anything to push fans away, some people weren't really favorable with ''LOVE Pt. II'' and ''Stomping the Phantom Break Pedal'', ''The Dream Walker'' brought fans back, especially with the accompanying short film ''Poet Anderson: The Dream Walker''.

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** The reason for [=AvA=]'s BrokenBase over the albums past I-Empire. The farther AVA gets from pop-punk, pop punk, the more complaining you're likely to see, which is par for the course for the music coming from [[Music/{{Blink182}} the other band Tom is in]]. Even with the changes, the band still considers themselves a punk act (and never gave the impression of being a straight forward pop punk act like blink to begin with, hence the people complaining about it NOT being blink 2.0).
** Even the likelihood of Matt coming back at some point hasn't stopped people from being very upset about him leaving the band to help raise his newest child, especially with the confusion over just who the heck is his replacement is. Eddie was officially announced as his replacement and has shown up in behind the scenes shots for the first video for the Halloween 2014 release, but ''Bob Bryar'' (previously Music/MyChemicalRomance's drummer and friend of David) tweeted a picture showing a live show setup showing him on bass and monitors. Thankfully, people have still been receptive to Eddie joining. The possibility of Bob joining? Not so much.
* WinBackTheCrowd: While AVA hasn't done anything to push fans away, some people weren't really favorable
much. Made even more complex with ''LOVE Pt. II'' and ''Stomping the Phantom Break Pedal'', Eddie not included in ''The Dream Walker'' brought fans back, especially promotion with Tom and Ilan[[note]]David is confirmed to still be in the accompanying short film ''Poet Anderson: The Dream Walker''.band, though he's absent in the promotion as well]] and rumblings of a [[http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/it_looks_like_thrice_are_coming_back_in_2015 Thrice reunion]]. Are we going to need a replacement bassist for the replacement bassist?
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