History YMMV / AngelBeats

1st Sep '17 7:18:49 AM Pichu-kun
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* BrokenBase: There exists a faction of the Key fanbase that considers ''Angel Beats!'' inferior to other works by the company, mostly due to it being more action-oriented than its previous visual novels.
** Is Yuri cruel or kind? [[spoiler:Is Otonashi AllLovingHero or a fool rushing into things? Is disappearing the best thing that can happen to people in the afterlife?]]
* CounterpartComparison: Yuri is often referred to as [[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya Haruhi]] with a different hair color and outfit.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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There exists a faction of the Key fanbase that considers ''Angel Beats!'' inferior to other works by the company, mostly due to it being more action-oriented than its previous visual novels.
** Is Yuri cruel or kind? [[spoiler:Is kind?
** Is
Otonashi AllLovingHero an [[spoiler:AllLovingHero]] or a fool [[spoiler:fool rushing into things? things?]]
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Is disappearing [[spoiler:disappearing]] the best thing that can happen to people in the afterlife?]]
afterlife?
* CounterpartComparison: CounterpartComparison:
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Yuri is often referred to as [[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya Haruhi]] with a different hair color and outfit.



** The series is often compared to ''Anime/HaibaneRenmei''. ''Haibane Renmei'' is also implied to take place in a MundaneAfterlife where the characters are in purgatory waiting until they can AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence. It's however a lot less actiony and is much more calmer than ''Angel Beats'', with a much smaller cast as well.



* EnsembleDarkHorse: TK is remarkably popular among viewers. In a recent [[http://www.tulip-tv.co.jp/research/index.html?TID_DT03=20100409104230&NO_RESEARCH=0&TOP_RESEARCH_RESULT=68 popularity poll]] Angel and TK dominated... Of course, that they had such a huge amount and proportion of the votes reeks of internet vote rigging, however...

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: EnsembleDarkHorse:
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TK is remarkably popular among viewers. In a recent [[http://www.tulip-tv.co.jp/research/index.html?TID_DT03=20100409104230&NO_RESEARCH=0&TOP_RESEARCH_RESULT=68 popularity poll]] Angel and TK dominated... Of course, that they had such a huge amount and proportion of the votes reeks of internet vote rigging, however...



* HarsherInHindsight: In regards to Hinata and Yui. Originally their abuse of each other is [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender fairly equal]] albeit Hinata is prone to attacking Yui more than the other way around and for no apparent reason either. Yui only attacks him out of revenge and even then it doesn't last since he's quick to deal out DisproportionateRetribution on her. It's gets to the HarsherInHindsight point when we find out that the reason why Yui acts [[GenkiGirl hyper and sort of annoying all the time]] is because [[spoiler: [[TearJerker she was paralyzed in an accident at a young age from a car slamming into her back and was bedridden and cared for by her single mother until she died]]. This revelation made Yui just an {{Unacceptable Target|s}}]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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In regards to Hinata and Yui. Originally their abuse of each other is [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender fairly equal]] albeit Hinata is prone to attacking Yui more than the other way around and for no apparent reason either. Yui only attacks him out of revenge and even then it doesn't last since he's quick to deal out DisproportionateRetribution on her. It's gets to the HarsherInHindsight point when we find out that the reason why Yui acts [[GenkiGirl hyper and sort of annoying all the time]] is because [[spoiler: [[TearJerker she was paralyzed in an accident at a young age from a car slamming into her back and was bedridden and cared for by her single mother until she died]]. This revelation made Yui just an {{Unacceptable Target|s}}]].



* HilariousInHindsight: Otonashi saying that God cannot just give people fake happy endings as their lives were real is more funny when you realize that this was made by [[Creator/KeyVisualArts the same guys]] [[DeusExMachina who pull happy endings]] [[AssPull out of their asses]] whenever a main character's world comes crashing down.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Otonashi saying that God cannot just give people fake happy endings as their lives were real is more funny when you realize that this was made by [[Creator/KeyVisualArts the same guys]] [[DeusExMachina who pull happy endings]] [[AssPull out of their asses]] whenever a main character's world comes crashing down.



* HypeBacklash: There were a good deal of [[Website/FourChan /a/]] browsers extremely displeased at the abundance of Angel Beats threads that made discussing any other anime rather difficult.

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* HypeBacklash: There were a good deal of [[Website/FourChan /a/]] browsers extremely displeased at the abundance of Angel Beats ''Angel Beats'' threads that made discussing any other anime rather difficult.



* MemeticMutation: Anything that comes out of TK's mouth.
** Angel is the cutest [[VideoGame/StarCraft Protoss Zealot]] you'll ever lay eyes on. And turned UpToEleven in [[spoiler: in the finale where she smiles, sings a song about mapo doufu, and [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Angel_Beats_-_13_-_Large_15_961.jpg does this]]]].
*** And with the revelation of her ''Harmonics'' skill, there's a possibility that she can become [[Film/TheMatrix Agent Smith]]. [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Zealot Smith]], even.

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
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Anything that comes out of TK's mouth.
** Angel is the cutest [[VideoGame/StarCraft Protoss Zealot]] you'll ever lay eyes on. And turned UpToEleven in [[spoiler: in the finale where she smiles, sings a song about mapo doufu, and [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Angel_Beats_-_13_-_Large_15_961.jpg does this]]]].
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this]]]]. And with the revelation of her ''Harmonics'' skill, there's a possibility that she can become [[Film/TheMatrix Agent Smith]]. [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Zealot Smith]], even.



* {{Narm}}: The first episode has a scene where Yurippe jokingly tells Otonashi to, as the official subtitles put it, "give a girl an enema," which is funny for [[BlackComedy entirely the wrong reasons]]. "Enema" refers to the Japanese schoolyard prank of "kancho" [[AssShove poking your fingers up someone's (clothed) butt]], not the extremely {{squick}}y medical procedure. The dub replaces this with "slap a girl on her ass," averting the narminess.

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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The first episode has a scene where Yurippe jokingly tells Otonashi to, as the official subtitles put it, "give a girl an enema," which is funny for [[BlackComedy entirely the wrong reasons]]. "Enema" refers to the Japanese schoolyard prank of "kancho" [[AssShove poking your fingers up someone's (clothed) butt]], not the extremely {{squick}}y medical procedure. The dub replaces this with "slap a girl on her ass," averting the narminess.



* ValuesDissonance: The {{A|nAesop}}esop of the series seems to be: "Any desires you may have or actions you may take are completely useless and you shouldn't have them. Strive instead for nonexistence. All you should want is to be erased, you and your meaningless journey though life." While it might sound like a particularly bad example of {{Glurge}} to Western viewers, it is essentially the main aesop of Buddhist philosophy, a belief rarely enforced in anime media but yet very idiosyncratical of a country in which Buddhism is the second main religion.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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The {{A|nAesop}}esop of the series seems to be: "Any desires you may have or actions you may take are completely useless and you shouldn't have them. Strive instead for nonexistence. All you should want is to be erased, you and your meaningless journey though life." While it might sound like a particularly bad example of {{Glurge}} to Western viewers, it is essentially the main aesop of Buddhist philosophy, a belief rarely enforced in anime media but yet very idiosyncratical of a country in which Buddhism is the second main religion.



* WhatAnIdiot: Even after all the time they've been fighting Angel, nobody in SSS has ever bothered trying to figure out Angel's ''real name''. Only Yuri had apparently heard it before, but she just didn't bother trying to remember it.

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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Even after all the time they've been fighting Angel, nobody in SSS has ever bothered trying to figure out Angel's ''real name''. Only Yuri had apparently heard it before, but she just didn't bother trying to remember it.
9th Mar '17 12:52:50 PM DavidDelony
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* WhatAnIdiot: Even after all the time they've been fighting Angel, nobody in SSS has ever bothered trying to figure out Angel's ''real name''.
Only Yuri had apparently heard it before, but she just didn't bother trying to remember it.

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* WhatAnIdiot: Even after all the time they've been fighting Angel, nobody in SSS has ever bothered trying to figure out Angel's ''real name''. \n Only Yuri had apparently heard it before, but she just didn't bother trying to remember it.
9th Mar '17 12:51:33 PM DavidDelony
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* CriticProof: After receiving some flak for not developing some of the characters, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling imposed halving of the number of episodes]], the series has become one of Key's most popular properties. The series' female characters [[TheMerch dominate Key's merchandising tables]].



* WhatAnIdiot: Even after all the time they've been fighting Angel, nobody in SSS has ever bothered trying to figure out Angel's ''real name''. Only Yuri had apparently heard it before, but she just didn't bother trying to remember it.

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* VindicatedByHistory: After receiving some initial flak for not developing some of the characters, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling imposed halving of the number of episodes]], the series has become one of Key's most popular properties. The series' female characters [[TheMerch dominate Key's merchandising tables]].
* WhatAnIdiot: Even after all the time they've been fighting Angel, nobody in SSS has ever bothered trying to figure out Angel's ''real name''.
Only Yuri had apparently heard it before, but she just didn't bother trying to remember it.
9th Mar '17 9:29:41 AM Cieloazul
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* CriticProof: After receiving some flak for not developing some of the characters, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling imposed halving of the number of episodes]], the series has become one of Key's most popular properties. The series' female characters [[TheMerch dominate Key's merchandising tables]].



* {{Glurge}}: The {{A|nAesop}}esop seemed to be: "Any desires you may have or actions you may take are completely useless and you shouldn't have them. Strive instead for nonexistence. All you should want is to be erased, you and your meaningless journey though life."
** Although that ''is'' essentially the Aesop of Buddhist philosophy.
** Alternatively, the Aesop could be interpreted as "Even if you're treated cruelly by life, you can still find happiness and bring joy to others, and those feelings won't have been meaningless, even after you're all dead and gone." Still somewhat {{glurge}}-y, but, well, it's Key.



* StrangledByTheRedString: Many fans felt that the [[spoiler:Otonashi and Kanade hookup]] at the finale came a bit too unexpected, as until that point it is never made evident that his feelings for her are romantic or more intense that a tepid friendship. This is one of the most divisive points of the series, and a good part of the people who didn't like the finale would have seen it better without they hooking up or at least counting on more development. Then again, given the short run of the anime, the latter would have been difficult to pull without fall in a probably not better received RomanticPlotTumor.It doesn't help that the anime made it seem like Kanade was taking the role of surrogate sister up until that point.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Many fans felt that the [[spoiler:Otonashi and Kanade hookup]] LastMinuteHookup]] at the finale came a bit too unexpected, unexpectedly, as until up to that point it is never made evident that his feelings for her are romantic in nature or more intense that a tepid friendship. friendship (or even a surrogate fraternal relationship, as the anime suggests sometimes). This is one of the most divisive points of the series, and a good part of the people who didn't like detractors of the finale would have seen liked it better without they them hooking up or at least counting on having more development. development previously. Then again, given the short run of the anime, the latter would have been difficult to pull without fall falling in a probably not better received RomanticPlotTumor.It doesn't help that the anime made it seem like Kanade was taking the role of surrogate sister up until that point.



* VindicatedByHistory: After receiving some flak for not developing some of the characters, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling imposed halving of the number of episodes]], the series has become one of Key's most popular properties. The series' female characters [[TheMerch dominate Key's merchandising tables]].

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* VindicatedByHistory: After receiving some flak for not developing some ValuesDissonance: The {{A|nAesop}}esop of the characters, due to the [[ExecutiveMeddling imposed halving of the number of episodes]], the series has become one seems to be: "Any desires you may have or actions you may take are completely useless and you shouldn't have them. Strive instead for nonexistence. All you should want is to be erased, you and your meaningless journey though life." While it might sound like a particularly bad example of Key's most popular properties. The series' female characters [[TheMerch dominate Key's merchandising tables]].{{Glurge}} to Western viewers, it is essentially the main aesop of Buddhist philosophy, a belief rarely enforced in anime media but yet very idiosyncratical of a country in which Buddhism is the second main religion.
** Alternatively, the Aesop could be interpreted as "Even if you're treated cruelly by life, you can still find happiness and bring joy to others, and those feelings won't have been meaningless, even after you're all dead and gone." Still somewhat {{glurge}}-y, but, well, it's Key.
16th Feb '17 1:41:02 AM echochan
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* StrangledByTheRedString: Many fans felt that the [[spoiler:Otonashi and Kanade hookup]] at the finale came a bit too unexpected, as until that point it is never made evident that his feelings for her are romantic or more intense that a tepid friendship. This is one of the most divisive points of the series, and a good part of the people who didn't like the finale would have seen it better without they hooking up or at least counting on more development. Then again, given the short run of the anime, the latter would have been difficult to pull without fall in a probably not better received RomanticPlotTumor.
** The same thing occurs with [[spoiler:Yui and Hinata]] in episode 11. Considering the only sort of expression either has expressed at each other are various levels of annoyance, it comes as quite a surprise when [[spoiler:not only does Hinata say he loves Yui but [[UpToEleven wants to marry her]]]]. Even if [[spoiler:it was to help her pass on]], it's still really sudden and doesn't come with a lot of buildup.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Many fans felt that the [[spoiler:Otonashi and Kanade hookup]] at the finale came a bit too unexpected, as until that point it is never made evident that his feelings for her are romantic or more intense that a tepid friendship. This is one of the most divisive points of the series, and a good part of the people who didn't like the finale would have seen it better without they hooking up or at least counting on more development. Then again, given the short run of the anime, the latter would have been difficult to pull without fall in a probably not better received RomanticPlotTumor.
RomanticPlotTumor.It doesn't help that the anime made it seem like Kanade was taking the role of surrogate sister up until that point.
** The same thing occurs with [[spoiler:Yui and Hinata]] in episode 11. Considering the only sort of expression either has expressed at each other are various levels of annoyance, it comes as quite a surprise when [[spoiler:not only does Hinata say he loves Yui but [[UpToEleven wants to marry her]]]]. Even if [[spoiler:it was to help her pass on]], it's still really sudden and doesn't come with a lot of buildup.This becomes more apparent when compared to the development of Hinata and Yuri's relationship in the prequel manga, which seems much more romantic in nature. In comparison, Yui and Hinata's rushed relationship seems more sibling-like.
19th Oct '16 5:32:09 PM Valiona
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** The setting is in some ways similar to the version of Yasogami in ''VideoGame/PersonaQShadowOfTheLabyrinth'', as a high school populated by Shadows, "NPC" characters with basic programmed responses to people, and the spirits of people who lived short and unfulfilling lives ([[spoiler:although there's only one in Persona Q's case, and the cast of both Persona 3 and 4 are all alive... for now]]). Going off this, Yui also has some similarities with [[spoiler:Rei, also known as Niko]], since both of them died quite young after being unable to do many things because of their conditions, and ultimately pass on with the help of the guys they like (Yui has Hinata and [[spoiler:Rei has Zen]]).



* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Yui prevents Hinata from winning his team's baseball game in episode 4. Six episodes later, [[spoiler:Hinata helps her move on by promising to marry her in her next life even if she's paralyzed in that life too, meaning if it weren't for him ''she'd be stuck in Purgatory for a long time!'']]

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Yui prevents Hinata from winning his team's baseball game in episode 4.4, realizing that [[spoiler:if he makes the catch that's exactly the same as the one he failed to make in life, he'll move on]]. Six episodes later, [[spoiler:Hinata helps her move on by promising to marry her in her next life even if she's paralyzed in that life too, meaning if it weren't for him ''she'd be stuck in Purgatory for a long time!'']]
31st Aug '16 2:15:16 PM Twiddler
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* CounterpartComparison: Yuri is often referred to as [[LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya Haruhi]] with a different hair color and outfit.
30th Jul '16 11:49:30 PM SingElise
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** This troper has to disagree. The fact that [[she was paralysed in life and cared for by her mother]] should not make her an unacceptable target. The fact that Hinata can attack her at all would be amazing to her. She spent all her life probably being handled with kid gloves, and it's in her character that the last thing she'd want to to be treated differently.
29th Jul '16 12:16:02 AM luisedgarf
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** In a more meta-example, the whole deal with Otonashi [[spoiler:becoming a organ donor after dying]] is this when Jun Maeda, the scriptwriter, recently announced [[spoiler:he will need a heart transplant]].
28th Mar '16 4:43:30 PM Cybaria
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** This troper has to disagree. The fact that [[she was paralysed in life and cared for by her mother]] should not make her an unacceptable target. The fact that Hinata can attack her at all would be amazing to her. She spent all her life probably being handled with kid gloves, and it's in her character that the last thing she'd want to to be treated differently.
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