History YMMV / ASongOfIceAndFire

29th Apr '18 4:01:46 PM bravo104
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Arianne's chapters had potential to be a very interesting arc, but it was foiled so quickly that many feel that there was really no point to her story.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
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Arianne's chapters had potential to be a very interesting arc, but it was foiled so quickly that many feel that there was really no point to her story.story.
** Those new to the series may expect the concept of seasons lasting years at a time to be the USP of the series, with it being a massively important part of Westerosi history and culture. Unfortunately, it's hardly ever brought up and you'd be forgiving for forgetting about it entirely when reading. Westeros is pretty much just a vague riff on medieval Europe with none of the differences that would logically occur if the seasons were years long.
28th Mar '18 9:52:09 PM Pamina
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** Littlefinger can be compared with Heathcliff from ''Literature/WutheringHeights.'' Both fell in love with a girl they were fostered with (or the closest thing to love), only for her to push him away by marrying someone of her station. Littlefinger/Heathcliff amasses large sums of money and begins to take his revenge on those who kept him from the girl he cared about.

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** Littlefinger can be compared with Heathcliff from ''Literature/WutheringHeights.'' Both fell in love with a girl they were fostered with (or the closest thing to love), only for her to push him away by marrying someone of her station. Littlefinger/Heathcliff amasses large sums of money and begins to take his revenge on those who kept him from the girl he cared about. The fact that his love's name is Catelyn, which doesn't sound too different from "Catherine," only reinforces this.
9th Mar '18 8:49:25 AM KizunaTallis
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* CantUnhearIt: Thanks to the [[Series/GameOfThrones show]], it's hard to choose a character whose actor's voice is NOT the character's. Some of the standouts are Creator/PeterDinklage as Tyrion, Creator/EmiliaClarke as Daenerys, Creator/SeanBean as Ned, Creator/MaisieWilliams as Arya, Creator/CharlesDance as Tywin, and Creator/LenaHeadey as Cersei. Similarly, most people who got into the books through the show visualize the characters as their live-action incarnations, due to the fact that the books give way to many different (official) interpretations of their canon designs (''including'' the TV designs, which are used on the covers and slipcases of later printings), despite the book characters having some described traits that diverge from their TV incarnations. Some depictions of the ''ASOIAF'' canon characters post-2011 use elements of the show's designs, occasionally to the point of InkSuitActor, similar to [[Literature/HarryPotter other]] [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings book series]] that undergo a NewbieBoom via AdaptationDisplacement.

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* CantUnhearIt: Thanks to the [[Series/GameOfThrones show]], it's hard to choose a character whose actor's voice is NOT ''not'' the character's. Some of the standouts are Creator/PeterDinklage as Tyrion, Creator/EmiliaClarke as Daenerys, Creator/SeanBean as Ned, Creator/MaisieWilliams as Arya, Creator/CharlesDance as Tywin, and Creator/LenaHeadey as Cersei. Similarly, most people who got into the books through the show visualize the characters as their live-action incarnations, due to the fact that the books give way to many different (official) interpretations of their canon designs (''including'' the TV designs, which are used on the covers and slipcases of later printings), despite the book characters having some described traits that diverge from their TV incarnations. Some depictions of the ''ASOIAF'' canon characters post-2011 use elements of the show's designs, occasionally to the point of InkSuitActor, similar to [[Literature/HarryPotter other]] [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings book series]] that undergo a NewbieBoom via AdaptationDisplacement.



--> '''John Scalzi''': "Shorter version: During those years the unsocialized were snarling at Martin for being lazy or procrastinating or indolent or whatever, he wrote about as many words for novels as I had. By this superficial but easy-to-quantify metric, on the novel front he was as productive as I was, and most people seem to agree that Iíve been pretty productive these last six years. I just spread my words around five novels while he poured all of his into one."

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--> '''John Scalzi''': "Shorter Shorter version: During those years the unsocialized were snarling at Martin for being lazy or procrastinating or indolent or whatever, he wrote about as many words for novels as I had. By this superficial but easy-to-quantify metric, on the novel front he was as productive as I was, and most people seem to agree that Iíve been pretty productive these last six years. I just spread my words around five novels while he poured all of his into one."



** The infamous "Red Wedding" is a notorious invoker of this trope - while being an effective plot twist, it pretty much [[spoiler:cuts the whole House Stark storyline that was developed from the very first book]], which brings the question if it's worth the time investing into any other character's story arcs.

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** The infamous "Red Wedding" is a notorious invoker of this trope - while being an effective plot twist, it pretty much [[spoiler:cuts the whole House Stark storyline that was developed from the very first book]], which brings the question if it's worth the time investing into any other character's story arcs.



** Lady Stoneheart is popular among fans, to the point of being one of the most fan-requested characters/arcs for ''Series/GameOfThrones''.

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** Lady Stoneheart is popular among fans, to the point of being one of the most fan-requested characters/arcs for ''Series/GameOfThrones''. Needless to say, many were disappointed that she was ultimately AdaptedOut.
10th Feb '18 5:55:24 AM k410ren
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* CounterpartComparison: Littlefinger can be compared with Heathcliff from ''Literature/WutheringHeights.'' Both fell in love with a girl they were fostered with (or the closest thing to love), only for her to push him away by marrying someone of her station. Littlefinger/Heathcliff amasses large sums of money and begins to take his revenge on those who kept him from the girl he cared about.

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* CounterpartComparison: CounterpartComparison:
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Littlefinger can be compared with Heathcliff from ''Literature/WutheringHeights.'' Both fell in love with a girl they were fostered with (or the closest thing to love), only for her to push him away by marrying someone of her station. Littlefinger/Heathcliff amasses large sums of money and begins to take his revenge on those who kept him from the girl he cared about.about.
** Brandon Stark (Ned's brother) is sometimes compared to Sonny Corleone from ''Film/TheGodfather''. Both were the eldest son and heir, both HotBlooded with BigBrotherInstinct toward their younger sisters, and died horribly while trying to help said younger sister.
8th Feb '18 5:51:54 PM qazwsx
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* ''YMMV/TalesOfDunkAndEgg''
* ''YMMV/ArchmaesterGyldaynsHistories''
* ''YMMV/TheWorldOfIceAndFire''
12th Jan '18 3:14:28 PM Chasem
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* EvilIsCool: A good deal of fans love Littlefinger, despite his role in making things worse.

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* EvilIsCool: EvilIsCool:
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A good deal of fans love Littlefinger, despite his role in making things worse.worse.
** Lady Stoneheart is popular among fans, to the point of being one of the most fan-requested characters/arcs for ''Series/GameOfThrones''.
12th Jan '18 3:13:03 PM Chasem
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* NewbieBoom: While ''ASOIAF'' was always popular and acclaimed among dedicated fans of the HighFantasy genre, the ''Series/GameOfThrones'' TV adaptation brought in a legion of new fans, many of which were eager to find out the differences between the show and its source material. Even among non-watchers of ''[=GoT=]'', the newfound mainstream recognition of the franchise has given the books more readership and recognition.
12th Jan '18 3:05:53 PM Chasem
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* BrokenBase: The fanbase was actually a pretty contented one up until the publication of ''A Feast For Crows''. With ''A Dance With Dragons'' finally out, the new broken base seems to divide between fans who love it and consider it a return to form, and those who hate it and consider it AFFC 2.0. And then there are those who loved AFFC and don't consider the idea of AFFC 2.0 to be a bad thing. The split in the fanbase seems to be a result of the increased focus on world building in AFFC and ADWD. Westeros and Essos are presented in more detail than ever before, but parts of the fanbase consider this to have occurred at the expense of plot.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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The fanbase was actually a pretty contented one up until the publication of ''A Feast For Crows''. With ''A Dance With Dragons'' finally out, the new broken base seems to divide between fans who love it and consider it a return to form, and those who hate it and consider it AFFC 2.0. And then there are those who loved AFFC and don't consider the idea of AFFC 2.0 to be a bad thing. The split in the fanbase seems to be a result of the increased focus on world building in AFFC and ADWD. Westeros and Essos are presented in more detail than ever before, but parts of the fanbase consider this to have occurred at the expense of plot.plot.
** HBO's ''Series/GameOfThrones'' has also caused this with fans of the books, mostly due to its deviations from the source material (especially in later seasons). Some fans consider many of the TV characters and elements to be the definitive versions and use elements from it in their interpretation and visualization of ''ASOIAF'', while others deliberately distance their vision of ''ASOIAF'' from ''Game of Thrones'' and are happy enough to imagine the characters and settings purely as described on the page.
12th Jan '18 2:57:42 PM Chasem
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* CantUnhearIt: Thanks to the [[Series/GameOfThrones show]], it's hard to choose a character whose actor's voice is NOT the character's. Some of the standouts are Creator/PeterDinklage as Tyrion, Creator/EmiliaClarke as Daenerys, Creator/SeanBean as Ned, Creator/MaisieWilliams as Arya, Creator/CharlesDance as Tywin, and Creator/LenaHeadey as Cersei. Similarly, most people who got into the books through the show visualize the characters as their live-action incarnations, due to the fact that the books give way to many different (official) interpretations of their canon designs (''including'' the TV designs, which are used on the covers and slipcases of later printings), despite the book characters having some described traits that diverge from their TV incarnations. Some depictions of the ''ASOIAF'' canon characters post-2011 use elements of the show's designs, occasionally to the point of InkSuitActor.

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* CantUnhearIt: Thanks to the [[Series/GameOfThrones show]], it's hard to choose a character whose actor's voice is NOT the character's. Some of the standouts are Creator/PeterDinklage as Tyrion, Creator/EmiliaClarke as Daenerys, Creator/SeanBean as Ned, Creator/MaisieWilliams as Arya, Creator/CharlesDance as Tywin, and Creator/LenaHeadey as Cersei. Similarly, most people who got into the books through the show visualize the characters as their live-action incarnations, due to the fact that the books give way to many different (official) interpretations of their canon designs (''including'' the TV designs, which are used on the covers and slipcases of later printings), despite the book characters having some described traits that diverge from their TV incarnations. Some depictions of the ''ASOIAF'' canon characters post-2011 use elements of the show's designs, occasionally to the point of InkSuitActor.InkSuitActor, similar to [[Literature/HarryPotter other]] [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings book series]] that undergo a NewbieBoom via AdaptationDisplacement.
12th Jan '18 2:56:47 PM Chasem
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* CantUnhearIt: Thanks to the [[Series/GameOfThrones show]], it's hard to choose a character whose actor's voice is NOT the character's. Some of the standouts are Creator/PeterDinklage as Tyrion, Creator/EmiliaClarke as Daenerys, Creator/SeanBean as Ned, Creator/MaisieWilliams as Arya, Creator/CharlesDance as Tywin, and Creator/LenaHeadey as Cersei. Similarly, most people who got into the books through the show visualize the characters as their live-action incarnations, due to the fact that the books give way to many different (official) interpretations of their canon designs (''including'' the TV designs, which are used on the covers and slipcases of later printings), despite the book characters having some described traits that diverge from their TV incarnations.

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* CantUnhearIt: Thanks to the [[Series/GameOfThrones show]], it's hard to choose a character whose actor's voice is NOT the character's. Some of the standouts are Creator/PeterDinklage as Tyrion, Creator/EmiliaClarke as Daenerys, Creator/SeanBean as Ned, Creator/MaisieWilliams as Arya, Creator/CharlesDance as Tywin, and Creator/LenaHeadey as Cersei. Similarly, most people who got into the books through the show visualize the characters as their live-action incarnations, due to the fact that the books give way to many different (official) interpretations of their canon designs (''including'' the TV designs, which are used on the covers and slipcases of later printings), despite the book characters having some described traits that diverge from their TV incarnations. Some depictions of the ''ASOIAF'' canon characters post-2011 use elements of the show's designs, occasionally to the point of InkSuitActor.
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