History YMMV / ASongOfIceAndFire

26th Mar '17 5:18:42 PM BB8ForPresident
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* ShipToShipCombat: In-universe example with the Rhaeger/Lyanna/Robert mess. Although Rhaeger running off with Lyanna was seen as a catastrophic situation all round, there are differing opinions over the couples. Robert, Brandon Stark and their supporters were obviously Robert/Lyanna shippers who thought he and Lyanna were in love and that Rhaeger kidnapped her, while Rhaeger's supporters are more sympathetic to Rhaeger/Lyanna, still speak of the Prince as a romantic who developed mutual feelings for Lyanna and perceive them as StarCrossedLovers. Meanwhile Ned was aware that Lyanna never loved Robert, realizes that Robert never properly knew Lyanna and speaks highly of Rhaeger despite everything. Meanwhile the Martells supported the Rhaeger/Elia match and were furious that Rhaeger abandoned his proper wife and got her killed.

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* ShipToShipCombat: In-universe example with the Rhaeger/Lyanna/Robert mess. Although Rhaeger running off with Lyanna was seen as a catastrophic situation all round, there are differing opinions over the couples. Robert, Brandon Stark and their supporters were obviously Robert/Lyanna shippers who thought he and Lyanna were in love and that Rhaeger kidnapped her, while Rhaeger's supporters are were more sympathetic to Rhaeger/Lyanna, still speak of saw the Prince as a romantic who developed mutual feelings for Lyanna and perceive perceived them as StarCrossedLovers. Meanwhile Ned was aware that Lyanna never loved Robert, realizes that Robert never properly knew Lyanna and speaks highly of Rhaeger despite everything.StarCrossedLovers. Meanwhile the Martells supported the Rhaeger/Elia match and were furious that Rhaeger abandoned his proper wife and got her killed. Notably, Ned - one of the few people who may have got Lyanna's perspective - is aware that Lyanna never loved Robert, that Robert never properly knew Lyanna and speaks highly of Rhaeger despite everything.
26th Mar '17 5:15:46 PM BB8ForPresident
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** [[LittleMissBadass Arya]]/[[HeroicBastard Gendry]] ended up very popular, in large part due to Gendry being a decent, handsome person, who Arya spends a good amount of time with. And the way GRRM writes them is has romantic elements.

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** [[LittleMissBadass Arya]]/[[HeroicBastard Gendry]] ended up very popular, in large part due to Gendry being a decent, handsome person, rare kind and decent person who Arya spends a good amount lot of time with. And with, that their trusting friendship is one of the way few bright spots in both their lives and that GRRM writes them is has with romantic elements.elements. The HistoryRepeats element of the pair befriending each other as commoners being an inverse of the failed Lyanna/Robert ArrangedMarriage also helps.


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* ShipToShipCombat: In-universe example with the Rhaeger/Lyanna/Robert mess. Although Rhaeger running off with Lyanna was seen as a catastrophic situation all round, there are differing opinions over the couples. Robert, Brandon Stark and their supporters were obviously Robert/Lyanna shippers who thought he and Lyanna were in love and that Rhaeger kidnapped her, while Rhaeger's supporters are more sympathetic to Rhaeger/Lyanna, still speak of the Prince as a romantic who developed mutual feelings for Lyanna and perceive them as StarCrossedLovers. Meanwhile Ned was aware that Lyanna never loved Robert, realizes that Robert never properly knew Lyanna and speaks highly of Rhaeger despite everything. Meanwhile the Martells supported the Rhaeger/Elia match and were furious that Rhaeger abandoned his proper wife and got her killed.
15th Mar '17 3:59:39 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** Creator/PeterDinklage ''IS'' Tyrion, full stop.

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** Creator/PeterDinklage ''IS'' Tyrion, full stop.as Tyrion.
15th Mar '17 12:45:36 AM BB8ForPresident
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** Similarly, Sansa Stark will apparently always be [[RonTheDeathEater vilified for her personality and actions in the first book]], with the BreakTheCutie induced CharacterDevelopment she undergoes in the later books apparently either ignored or said to not be enough to ever excuse an 11-year old girl for her past mistakes.

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** Similarly, Sansa Stark will apparently always be [[RonTheDeathEater vilified for her personality and actions in the first book]], with the BreakTheCutie induced CharacterDevelopment she undergoes in the later books apparently either ignored or said to not be enough to ever excuse an 11-year old girl for her past mistakes. In particular the Trident incident - where she refuses to corroborate Arya's truthful story about Joffrey attacking her and her friend Mycah, which leads to Mycah's and Lady (Sansa's direwolf) being killed - is held against her for a ''very'' long time, and is almost always used in anti-Sansa arguments even years after the fact. [[note]] Though the fact that Sansa in-universe also blames Arya for "getting Lady killed" and takes a long time to admit it was actually Cersei and Joffrey's fault doesn't help. [[/note]]
26th Feb '17 9:55:39 PM BookReaderUSA
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* CantUnhearIt: Thanks to the [[Series/GameOfThrones show]], it's hard to choose a character whose actor's voice is NOT the character's. Namely:
** Creator/PeterDinklage ''IS'' Tyrion, full stop.
** Creator/EmiliaClarke as Daenerys.
** Creator/SeanBean as Ned.
12th Feb '17 2:13:15 AM SunriseWarrior
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** The infamous "Red Wedding" is a notorious invoker of this trope - while being an effective plot twist, it pretty much [[spoiler: cuts the whole House Stark storyline that was developed from the very first book]], which brings the question if it worth the time investing into any other character's story arcs.

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** The infamous "Red Wedding" is a notorious invoker of this trope - while being an effective plot twist, it pretty much [[spoiler: cuts the whole House Stark storyline that was developed from the very first book]], which brings the question if it it's worth the time investing into any other character's story arcs.
14th Jan '17 12:35:33 PM eleanorofaquitaine
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** Robb Stark with: Robb/Dacey, Robb/Roslin Frey, Robb/Jeyne Westerling, Robb/Myrcella, Robb/Margaery, Robb/Jaime, Robb/Roose, Robb/Sansa, etc.

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** Robb Stark with: Robb/Dacey, Robb/Roslin Frey, Robb/Jeyne Westerling, Robb/Myrcella, Robb/Margaery, Robb/Jaime, Robb/Roose, Robb/Sansa, Robb/Theon, etc.
11th Dec '16 5:09:51 PM lucy24
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** In AGOT, the deaths of [[spoiler:Eddard and Robert]], [[spoiler:Robb is proclaimed as King Of The North and North effectively seceded against Iron Throne]], [[spoiler:Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are offsprings of Queen Cersei and her twin brother]], [[spoiler:[[TyrantTakesTheHekm Joffrey become king]]]] and the fact that [[spoiler:Dragons are reborn]].

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** In AGOT, the deaths of [[spoiler:Eddard and Robert]], [[spoiler:Robb is proclaimed as King Of The North and North effectively seceded against Iron Throne]], [[spoiler:Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are offsprings of Queen Cersei and her twin brother]], [[spoiler:[[TyrantTakesTheHekm [[spoiler:[[TyrantTakesTheHelm Joffrey become king]]]] and the fact that [[spoiler:Dragons are reborn]].
5th Dec '16 3:57:36 AM EvilKid
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** In AGOT, the deaths of [[spoiler:Eddard and Robert]], [[spoiler:Robb is proclaimed as King Of The North and North effectively seceded against Iron Throne]], [[spoiler:Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are offsprings of Queen Cersei and her twin brother]], and the fact that [[spoiler:Dragons are reborn]].

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** In AGOT, the deaths of [[spoiler:Eddard and Robert]], [[spoiler:Robb is proclaimed as King Of The North and North effectively seceded against Iron Throne]], [[spoiler:Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are offsprings of Queen Cersei and her twin brother]], [[spoiler:[[TyrantTakesTheHekm Joffrey become king]]]] and the fact that [[spoiler:Dragons are reborn]].



** In ASOS, we learn that [[spoiler:Jaime killed The Mad King to save the realm]]. There's also [[spoiler:the Red and Purple Weddings]], [[spoiler:white walker and wight are real, are approaching Seven Kingdoms along the long winter and both are reason Wildlings try to cross The Wall]] and Catelyn [[spoiler:comes back as the vengeful, zombified Lady Stoneheart]].
** AFFC: [[spoiler: The Martell's are plotting against the Iron Throne]].

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** In ASOS, we learn that [[spoiler:Jaime killed The Mad King to save the realm]]. There's also [[spoiler:the Red and Purple Weddings]], [[spoiler:deaths of Oberyn Martell, Tywin Lannisters, and Gregor Clegane]], [[spoiler:white walker and wight are real, are approaching Seven Kingdoms along the long winter and both are reason Wildlings try to cross The Wall]] and Catelyn [[spoiler:comes back as the vengeful, zombified Lady Stoneheart]].
** AFFC: [[spoiler: The Martell's are plotting against the Iron Throne]].Throne]] and [[spoiler:Tommen becomes king with Cersei as real poer behind him]].
27th Nov '16 10:23:33 PM everlasting
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* EpilepticTrees: Or as known among the fandom D + D = T, which stands fro "Tyrion is the time-traveling fetus of Dany and Drogo."

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* EpilepticTrees: Or as known among the fandom D + D = T, which stands fro "Tyrion for "[[https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/ Tyrion is the time-traveling fetus of Dany and Drogo." ]]"
** In the same vein [[https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1xe89h/spoilers_all_bolt_on_apply_directly_to_the/ Bolt-On]]
** Or [[https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/10tv6i/spoilers_all_benjen_starks_secret_identity_theory/ Benjen=Daario]]. It can expand to other characters as well, Benjen=Euron=Jaqen=Daario=etc. [[note]]abbreviated as B====D[[/note]]
** Before the books were turned into the show it was the best known epileptic fan theory was "Varys is a merman"
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