History YMMV / ASongOfIceAndFire

5th Dec '16 3:57:36 AM EvilKid
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** In AGOT, the deaths of [[spoiler:Eddard and Robert]], [[spoiler:Robb is proclaimed as King Of The North and North effectively seceded against Iron Throne]], [[spoiler:Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are offsprings of Queen Cersei and her twin brother]], and the fact that [[spoiler:Dragons are reborn]].

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** In AGOT, the deaths of [[spoiler:Eddard and Robert]], [[spoiler:Robb is proclaimed as King Of The North and North effectively seceded against Iron Throne]], [[spoiler:Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are offsprings of Queen Cersei and her twin brother]], [[spoiler:[[TyrantTakesTheHekm Joffrey become king]]]] and the fact that [[spoiler:Dragons are reborn]].



** In ASOS, we learn that [[spoiler:Jaime killed The Mad King to save the realm]]. There's also [[spoiler:the Red and Purple Weddings]], [[spoiler:white walker and wight are real, are approaching Seven Kingdoms along the long winter and both are reason Wildlings try to cross The Wall]] and Catelyn [[spoiler:comes back as the vengeful, zombified Lady Stoneheart]].
** AFFC: [[spoiler: The Martell's are plotting against the Iron Throne]].

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** In ASOS, we learn that [[spoiler:Jaime killed The Mad King to save the realm]]. There's also [[spoiler:the Red and Purple Weddings]], [[spoiler:deaths of Oberyn Martell, Tywin Lannisters, and Gregor Clegane]], [[spoiler:white walker and wight are real, are approaching Seven Kingdoms along the long winter and both are reason Wildlings try to cross The Wall]] and Catelyn [[spoiler:comes back as the vengeful, zombified Lady Stoneheart]].
** AFFC: [[spoiler: The Martell's are plotting against the Iron Throne]].Throne]] and [[spoiler:Tommen becomes king with Cersei as real poer behind him]].
27th Nov '16 10:23:33 PM everlasting
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* EpilepticTrees: Or as known among the fandom D + D = T, which stands fro "Tyrion is the time-traveling fetus of Dany and Drogo."

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* EpilepticTrees: Or as known among the fandom D + D = T, which stands fro "Tyrion for "[[https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/30mat2/spoilers_all_ddt_a_neverbeforeseen_theory/ Tyrion is the time-traveling fetus of Dany and Drogo." ]]"
** In the same vein [[https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1xe89h/spoilers_all_bolt_on_apply_directly_to_the/ Bolt-On]]
** Or [[https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/10tv6i/spoilers_all_benjen_starks_secret_identity_theory/ Benjen=Daario]]. It can expand to other characters as well, Benjen=Euron=Jaqen=Daario=etc. [[note]]abbreviated as B====D[[/note]]
** Before the books were turned into the show it was the best known epileptic fan theory was "Varys is a merman"
27th Nov '16 10:15:45 PM everlasting
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* EpilepticTrees: Or as known among the fandom D + D = T, which stands fro "Tyrion is the time-traveling fetus of Dany and Drogo."
13th Nov '16 3:26:44 PM cherrychels
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** Daenerys' prolonged arc in Essos, while teaching her a lot of useful lessons about effective rulership and politics, has got a lot of readers tearing their hair out waiting for the ''dragon battles already!!''

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** Daenerys' prolonged arc in Essos, while teaching Essos. While it teaches her a lot of many useful lessons about effective rulership and politics, it has got a lot of many readers tearing their hair out waiting for the ''dragon battles already!!''



** Fandom Example: Catelyn Stark, despite being a kind and caring mother who gives her eldest son solid advice and a woman with a strong sense of honor and duty. She is widely disliked because her first actions in the series are against the extremely popular Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister. Against Jon, she is openly disdainful generally. She tells Ned on no uncertain terms will she allow Jon to remain in Winterfell after Ned leaves for the South, effectively turning him out if he doesn't leave with Ned. It is at Maester Luwin's suggestion that Jon joins the Night's Watch. And in a moment of mad grief over her comatose seven-year-old son Bran, she tells him "it should have been you" before breaking down in tears. Soon after, upon meeting Tyrion Lannister at an inn, she arrests him for the attacks on Bran, mistakenly believing him to be the one responsible. This arrest serves as one of many catalysts that sets the long simmering tensions in Westeros aflame, erupting into the War of the Five Kings.

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** Fandom Example: Catelyn Stark, despite being a kind and caring mother who gives her eldest son solid advice and a woman with a strong sense of honor and duty. She is widely disliked because her first actions in the series are against the extremely popular Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister. Against Jon, she is openly disdainful generally. She tells Ned on no uncertain terms will that she not allow Jon to remain in Winterfell because he is his son, not hers, after Ned leaves for the South, effectively turning him out if he doesn't leave South. This anguishes Ned, who had hoped Jon would stay at Winterfell with Ned. It is at Robb as they are so close. Maester Luwin's suggestion Luwin comes and reveals Jon that Jon joins wishes to join the Night's Watch. And in a moment of mad grief over her comatose seven-year-old son Bran, she tells him "it should have been you" before breaking down in tears. Soon after, upon meeting Tyrion Lannister at an inn, she arrests him for the attacks on Bran, mistakenly believing him to be the one responsible. This arrest serves as one of many catalysts that sets the long simmering tensions in Westeros aflame, erupting into the War of the Five Kings.
2nd Nov '16 10:34:47 PM MeAndMyNerdyBat
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** The infamous "Red Wedding" is a notorious invoker of this trope - while being an effective plot twist, it pretty much [[spoiler: cuts the whole House Stark storyline that was developed from the very first book]], which brings the question if it worth the time investing into any other character's story arcs.
14th Oct '16 2:51:50 AM Vampireandthen
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** Jon Snow with: Jon/Ygritte, Jon/Val, Jon/Dany, Jon/Theon, Jon/Robb, Jon/Aegon, Jon/Sam, Jon/Jaime, Jon/Arya, Jon/Sansa, Jon/Catelyn, Jon/Satin, Jon/Alys, Jon/Jeyne Westerling, etc.

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** Jon Snow with: Jon/Ygritte, Jon/Val, Jon/Dany, Jon/Theon, Jon/Robb, Jon/Aegon, Jon/Sam, Jon/Jaime, Jon/Arya, Jon/Sansa, Jon/Catelyn, Jon/Satin, Jon/Alys, Jon/Jeyne Westerling, Jon/Jeyne Poole etc.
7th Oct '16 2:38:19 PM DustSnitch
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* ReplacementScrappy: Darkstar was an admitted attempt to replace [[spoiler: Oberyn Martell]] with a {{Badass}} [[PrivateMilitaryContractors mercenary]]. However, his big talk about being dark and awesome combined with his ineffectual attack on Myrcella make him come across more as a SmallNameBigEgo HarmlessVillain.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Darkstar was an admitted attempt to replace [[spoiler: Oberyn Martell]] with a {{Badass}} badass [[PrivateMilitaryContractors mercenary]]. However, his big talk about being dark and awesome combined with his ineffectual attack on Myrcella make him come across more as a SmallNameBigEgo HarmlessVillain.
2nd Oct '16 1:54:38 AM leraluna
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* {{Fanon}}: Currently with his [[Fanon/ASongOfIceAndFire own page]].
2nd Oct '16 1:47:14 AM leraluna
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* {{Fanon}}
** You can't throw a stone in this fandom without hitting someone who believes Jon Snow is the son of [[spoiler: Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Exactly how they conceived him is a matter of debate, but the most commonly accepted idea is that Rhaegar fell in love with Lyanna after [[SamusIsAGirl unmasking her as the Knight of the Laughing Tree]] and chose her to be the mother of the "third head of the dragon". Lyanna agreed to run away with him because she had feelings for him as well and didn't want to be forced to marry Robert Baratheon, whom she knew would be unfaithful to her. They got married in front of a heart tree on the Isle of Faces, and the three Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy were there to protect the new heir. But of course there are several variations of this, while some fans believe he kidnapped and [[ChildByRape raped]] her to conceive Jon]].
** Some believe that Benjen joined the Night's Watch immediately after Robert's Rebellion [[spoiler: [[TheAtoner out of guilt]] for helping Lyanna run away with Rhaegar, which led to the war.]]
** It is also common in fanfics for the eldest sibling to Arthur and Ashara Dayne and parent to Edric Dayne to be a man named Allem.
** The idea that [[spoiler: Tyrion is Aerys Targaryen's bastard, and thus Daenerys's half-brother. Supporting this theory is the fact that Aerys apparently was "quite taken" with Tywin's wife, that he "took liberties" during the bedding of she and Tywin, and that the passage from the Hand's chamber might have been used by Aerys, not Tywin. Also, Tyrion's hair, in the novels, is a fine blonde, almost white, like a Targaryen. Tywin's line that "I cannot prove you are not mine" is, in the minds of some fans, proof that he suspected or even knew about his wife sleeping with, or being raped by, Aerys.]]
** It's considered practically a given that Young Griff [[spoiler: isn't actually Aegon VI, son of Rhaegar and Elia. Fans explain this by saying he's the son of Illyrio Mopatis and his second wife Serra of Lys. What's more, Serra is apparently the sister of Varys, both of them being scions of House Blackfyre through the female line. Only a scant few believe he is who he says he is.]]
** An example of a fanon idea that is usually considered canon, is the notion that Robb Stark made an error by not telling Edmure Tully his plan to trap Tywin by luring him to the Westerlands. This idea was first floated [[http://towerofthehand.com/blog/2013/06/06-riverrun-decision/index.html by an article on a fansite]] and it caught traction but is most certainly not described within the text, by Edmure or others, as a reason for Robb's defeat. [[https://racefortheironthrone.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/chapter-by-chapter-analysis-catelyn-v-acok/ Within the books, it's clear that Edmure clearly and repeatedly exceeded his command]] and Edmure took responsibility for his mishap.
31st Aug '16 8:07:11 PM Cakeman
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Some readers find the grimness of the setting to lose its impact over the course of the series. One can only hear so much about all the raped women and skinned children and random murders and how ''utterly assholish'' everyone seems to be before they lose interest. The fact that the first book spends quite a long time establishing that the Stark family is one of the very few major players with any honour worth speaking of and constantly contrasts this with their honourless - and usually far more successful - rivals, paired with the first hundred pages or so being dedicated to smashing this family to tiny pieces, doesn't help new readers.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Some Though it has its share of likable characters, readers find the grimness bloodshed of the setting to lose its impact over the course of the series. One can only hear so much about all the raped women and skinned children and random murders and how ''utterly assholish'' everyone seems to be before they lose interest. The fact that the first book spends quite a long time establishing that the Stark family is one of the very few major players with any honour worth speaking of and constantly contrasts this with their honourless - and usually far more successful - rivals, paired with the first hundred pages or so being dedicated to smashing this family to tiny pieces, doesn't help new readers.
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