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* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise". However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
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* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise". However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) [[spoiler:SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
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*** Generally speaking Loki's fandom can be divided into three big categories: [[StatusQuoIsGod Traditionalists]] ("Again with this? Loki is ''not'' a woman! Well at least she was evil. Good."), [[DracoInLeatherPants movie fangirls]] ("Loki as a woman is weird/Why would you reference JMS, but that family is so cute... ''NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!''"), and [[MysteryFiction trickster tale fans]] ("Well, this is an interesting setup. Really? That's your twist? *facepalm*"). An exercise in how to alienate everybody.
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*** Generally speaking Loki's fandom can be divided into three big categories: [[StatusQuoIsGod Traditionalists]] ("Again with this? Loki is ''not'' a woman! Well at At least she was evil. Good."), [[DracoInLeatherPants movie fangirls]] ("Loki as a woman is weird/Why would you reference JMS, but that family is so cute... ''NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!''"), and [[MysteryFiction trickster tale fans]] ("Well, this is an interesting setup. Really? That's your twist? ''twist''? *facepalm*"). An exercise in how to alienate everybody.
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*** Generally speaking Loki's fandom can be divided into three big categories: [[StatusQuoIsGod Traditionalists]] ("Again with this? Loki is ''not'' a woman! Well at least she was evil. Good."), [[DracoInLeatherPants movie fangirls]] ("Loki as a woman is weird/Why would you reference JMS, but that family is so cute... ''NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!''"), and [[MysteryFiction trickster tale fans]] ("Well, this is an interesting setup. Really? That's your twist? *facepalm*"). An exercise in how to alienate everybody.
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* EnsambleDarkhorse: Many readers liked Loki's family best about this comic. Happens when the writer is very good at writing families not to mention puts together one consisting of a [[TheWoodie regular]] (Nico), an {{iron|Woobie}} (America), and a {{jerkass woobie}} (Loki). [[spoiler:Which makes what happens later just more [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot baffling]].]]
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* EnsambleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse: Many readers liked Loki's family best about this comic. Happens when the writer is very good at writing families not to mention puts together one consisting of a [[TheWoodie [[TheWoobie regular]] (Nico), an {{iron|Woobie}} (America), and a {{jerkass woobie}} (Loki). [[spoiler:Which makes what happens later just more [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot baffling]].]]
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* EnsambleDarkhorse: Many readers liked Loki's family best about this comic. Happens when the writer is very good at writing families not to mention puts together one consisting of a [[TheWoodie regular]] (Nico), an {{iron|Woobie}} (America), and a {{jerkass woobie}} (Loki). [[spoiler:Which makes what happens later just more [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot baffling]].]]
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* LesYayShipping: While the comics mentions Nico and America are Loki's wards, meaning she is their foster mother, it didn't stop some fans from getting different vibes from their relationship. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers before]].
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** While the comics mentions Nico and America are Loki's wards, meaning she is their foster mother, it didn't stop some fans from getting different vibes from their relationship. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengersbefore]].before]].
** The final issue of the ''Secret Wars'' edition decides to cram in one with ComicBook/SpiderGwen and Mary Jane.
** While the comics mentions Nico and America are Loki's wards, meaning she is their foster mother, it didn't stop some fans from getting different vibes from their relationship. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers
** The final issue of the ''Secret Wars'' edition decides to cram in one with ComicBook/SpiderGwen and Mary Jane.
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* TheWoobie: Poor Nico loses everything she ever loved by the end of the series.
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* TheWoobie: Poor Nico loses everything she ever loved by the end of the ''Secret Wars'' series.
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*** Her post-''Secret Wars'' costume is a ''cheongsam'' (a type of Chinese dress), which is a very strange costume choice for a character of explicitly Japanese descent.descent.
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*** [[spoiler: Loki's betrayal divided people further, see ObviousJudas below]]
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** ComicBook/MarvelZombies - you either think their attack was properly foreshadowed and gives the team good material for grand finale or that they came out of nowhere and/or are derailing the plot from what it should be focusing about, to be about monsters who are already antagonists [[WolverinePublicity in five other books]].
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* ObviousJudas: [[spoiler:Loki]]. Some hoped that maybe she'll have a good explanation why... what we got was bordering on [[InsaneTrollLogic word salad]].
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* ObviousJudas: [[spoiler:Loki]]. [[spoiler:Loki by virtue of being Loki]], even if it went against the characters current interpretation and everything set up about her in the first issues. Some hoped that maybe she'll have a good explanation why...why at least... what we got was bordering on [[InsaneTrollLogic word salad]].
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* ObviousJudas: [[spoiler:Loki]]. Some hoped that she'll at least have a good explanation why... what we got was bordering on [[InsaneTrollLogic word salad]].
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* ObviousJudas: [[spoiler:Loki]]. Some hoped that maybe she'll at least have a good explanation why... what we got was bordering on [[InsaneTrollLogic word salad]].
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* ObviousJudas: [[spoiler:Loki]]. Some hoped that she'll at least have a good explanation why... what we got was bordering on [[InsaneTrollLogic word salad]].
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** The A-Force version of Nico has gotten a mixed reception from ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fans; while many fans are happy to see a version of Nico that did not suffer through the events of ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'', some are put off by the implications that this Nico was never a Runaway. Her skimpy outfits have also irked some fans; while Nico has always had a gothic fashion sense, she is not known for running around in low-cut tops, and in fact, was a former altar girl.
*** A new round of controversy erupted when Marvel released images of Nico's "All-New, All-Different" costume, which revealed that she would once again have the Witch Arm and "Racket of One" from ''ComicBook/AvengersArena''.
*** A new round of controversy erupted when Marvel released images of Nico's "All-New, All-Different" costume, which revealed that she would once again have the Witch Arm and "Racket of One" from ''ComicBook/AvengersArena''.
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** The A-Force version of Nico has gotten a mixed reception from ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fans; while many fans are happy to see a version of Nico that did not suffer through the events of ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'', some are put off by the implications that this Nico was never a Runaway. Her skimpy outfits have also irked some fans; while Nico has always had a gothic fashion sense, she is not known for running around in low-cut tops, and in fact, was a former altar girl.\n*** A new round of controversy erupted when Marvel released images of Nico's "All-New, All-Different" costume, which revealed that she would once again have the Witch Arm and "Racket of One" from ''ComicBook/AvengersArena''.
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*** Her post-''Secret Wars'' costume is a ''cheongsam'', which is a very strange costume choice for a character of explicitly Japanese descent.
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*** Her post-''Secret Wars'' costume is a ''cheongsam'', ''cheongsam'' (a type of Chinese dress), which is a very strange costume choice for a character of explicitly Japanese descent.
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*** A new round of controversy erupted when Marvel released images of Nico's "All-New, All-Different" costume, which revealed that she would once again have the Witch Arm and "Racket of One" from ''ComicBook/AvengersArena''.
* HypeBacklash: A-Force was one of the most anticipated miniseries back when it was first announced, but the first issue received a lukewarm reception upon release, and the delayedreleases release of subsequent issues has cooled a lot of the excitement for the series.
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** Nico has always been NotWearingTights but a [[ActionFashionista variety of her]] {{Goth}} outfits, so she gets a new one here. Some of her fans are not happy it's one of the most {{Stripperiffic}} ones.
** Nico has always been NotWearingTights but a [[ActionFashionista variety of her]] {{Goth}} outfits, so she gets a new one here. Some of her fans are not happy it's one of the most {{Stripperiffic}} ones.
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** Loki being given design from Joe Straczynski's Thor run, instead of one of her looks from ''Agent of Asgard'', Asgard''; see BaseBreaker above.
** Nico has always been NotWearingTights but a [[ActionFashionista variety of her]] {{Goth}} outfits, so she gets a new one here. Some of her fans are not happy that it's one of the most {{Stripperiffic}}ones.ones.
*** Her post-''Secret Wars'' costume is a ''cheongsam'', which is a very strange costume choice for a character of explicitly Japanese descent.
** Nico has always been NotWearingTights but a [[ActionFashionista variety of her]] {{Goth}} outfits, so she gets a new one here. Some of her fans are not happy that it's one of the most {{Stripperiffic}}
*** Her post-''Secret Wars'' costume is a ''cheongsam'', which is a very strange costume choice for a character of explicitly Japanese descent.
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** The portrayal of Loki has attracted some controversy, because she looks exactly like the Loki from Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike the reference to that story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had gone through years of CharacterDevelopment since that story and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his own.
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** The portrayal of Loki has attracted some controversy, because she looks exactly like the Loki from Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike the reference to that story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had gone through years of CharacterDevelopment since that story and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his their own.
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* HypeBacklash: A-Force was one of the most anticipated minis miniseries back when it was first announced, but the first issue received a lukewarm reception upon release, and the delayed release releases of the second subsequent issues has cooled a lot of the excitement for the series.
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** The portrayal of Loki has attracted some controversy, because she looks exactly like the Loki from Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike the reference to that UnfortunateImplications-ridden story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had gone through years of CharacterDevelopment since that story and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his own. Accusations of transphobia are flying from both sides.
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** The portrayal of Loki has attracted some controversy, because she looks exactly like the Loki from Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike the reference to that UnfortunateImplications-ridden story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had gone through years of CharacterDevelopment since that story and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his own. Accusations of transphobia are flying from both sides.
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* BaseBreaker: Loki. Because she looks exactly as Loki from Creator/JMichaelStraczynski run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike reference to that UnfortunateImplications-ridden story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had since that story went through years of CharacterDevelopment and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his own. Accusations of transphobia are flying from both sides.
* InternetBackdraft: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story). That, and there's the matter that [[spoiler: America Chavez has been solicited as being a prominent character in the ''Siege'' tie-in.]]
* InternetBackdraft: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story). That, and there's the matter that [[spoiler: America Chavez has been solicited as being a prominent character in the ''Siege'' tie-in.]]
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* BaseBreaker: Loki. Because BaseBreaker:
** The portrayal of Loki has attracted some controversy, because she looks exactlyas like the Loki from Creator/JMichaelStraczynski Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike the reference to that UnfortunateImplications-ridden story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had since that story went gone through years of CharacterDevelopment since that story and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his own. Accusations of transphobia are flying from both sides.
** The A-Force version of Nico has gotten a mixed reception from ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fans; while many fans are happy to see a version of Nico that did not suffer through the events of ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'', some are put off by the implications that this Nico was never a Runaway. Her skimpy outfits have also irked some fans; while Nico has always had a gothic fashion sense, she is not known for running around in low-cut tops, and in fact, was a former altar girl.
* InternetBackdraft: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue[[spoiler: America [[spoiler:America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been was banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing accuse Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores the fact that Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story). That, and there's the matter that [[spoiler: America [[spoiler:America Chavez has been solicited as being a prominent character in the ''Siege'' tie-in.]]
** The portrayal of Loki has attracted some controversy, because she looks exactly
** The A-Force version of Nico has gotten a mixed reception from ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' fans; while many fans are happy to see a version of Nico that did not suffer through the events of ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'', some are put off by the implications that this Nico was never a Runaway. Her skimpy outfits have also irked some fans; while Nico has always had a gothic fashion sense, she is not known for running around in low-cut tops, and in fact, was a former altar girl.
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** Nico has always been NotWearingTights but a [[ActionFashionista variety of her]] {{Goth}} outfits, so she gets a new one here. Some of her fans are not happy it's one of the most {{Stripperiffic}} ones.
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* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise". However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
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* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise". However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].hell]].
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Unfortunate part of paying tribute to all superheroines in Marvel history is that many heroines get their "classic" or "iconic" costumes. Some of these outfits really suck.
** Loki being given design from Joe Straczynski's Thor run, instead of one of her looks from ''Agent of Asgard'', see BaseBreaker above.
** Nico has always been NotWearingTights but [[ActionFashionista variety of her]] {{Goth}} outfits, so she gets new one here. Some of her fans are not happy it's one of the most {{Stripperiffic}} ones.
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Unfortunate part of paying tribute to all superheroines in Marvel history is that many heroines get their "classic" or "iconic" costumes. Some of these outfits really suck.
** Loki being given design from Joe Straczynski's Thor run, instead of one of her looks from ''Agent of Asgard'', see BaseBreaker above.
** Nico has always been NotWearingTights but [[ActionFashionista variety of her]] {{Goth}} outfits, so she gets new one here. Some of her fans are not happy it's one of the most {{Stripperiffic}} ones.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/ LesYayShipping/ OneTrueThreesome: While the comics mentions Nico and America are Loki's wards, meaning she is their foster mother, it didn't stop some fans from getting different vibes from their relationship. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers before]].
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* InternetBackdraft/ UnfortunateImplications: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story). That, and there's the matter that [[spoiler: America Chavez has been solicited as being a prominent character in the ''Siege'' tie-in.]]
* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise".
** However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise".
** However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
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* InternetBackdraft/ UnfortunateImplications: InternetBackdraft: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story). That, and there's the matter that [[spoiler: America Chavez has been solicited as being a prominent character in the ''Siege'' tie-in.]]
* LesYayShipping: While the comics mentions Nico and America are Loki's wards, meaning she is their foster mother, it didn't stop some fans from getting different vibes from their relationship. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers before]].
* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feministparadise".
**paradise". However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
* LesYayShipping: While the comics mentions Nico and America are Loki's wards, meaning she is their foster mother, it didn't stop some fans from getting different vibes from their relationship. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers before]].
* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that's part of the world replacing Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist
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* BaseBreaker: Loki. Because she looks exactly as Loki from Creator/JMichaelStranczynski run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike reference to that UnfortunateImplications-ridden story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had since that story went through years of CharacterDevelopment and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his own. Accusations of transphobia are flying from both sides.
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* BaseBreaker: Loki. Because she looks exactly as Loki from Creator/JMichaelStranczynski Creator/JMichaelStraczynski run on ''Thor'', who infamously was running around in Sif's stolen body. Some people dislike reference to that UnfortunateImplications-ridden story arc or even take it as that this Loki also had stolen Sif's body and as such shouldn't even be here. Others, especially fans of ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'', point out that Loki had since that story went through years of CharacterDevelopment and actually became canonically genderfluid and can now easily take female form on his own. Accusations of transphobia are flying from both sides.
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** However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
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America and Nico were said to be Loki\'s wards, meaning this version of Loki is their foster mother.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/ LesYayShipping/ OneTrueThreesome: Let's just say that the exact nature of the relationship between Loki, America and Nico leaves a lot of room for interpretation. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers before]].
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* InternetBackdraft/ UnfortunateImplications: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story).
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* InternetBackdraft/ UnfortunateImplications: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story). That, and there's the matter that [[spoiler: America Chavez has been solicited as being a prominent character in the ''Siege'' tie-in.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/ LesYayShipping/ OneTrueThreesome: Let's just say that the exact nature of the relationship between Loki, America and Nico leaves a lot of room for interpretation. It helps Loki and America shipping was already a thing [[ComicBook/YoungAvengers before]].
* InternetBackdraft/ UnfortunateImplications: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story).
* InternetBackdraft/ UnfortunateImplications: There was negative reaction from LGBTQ fans when in the first issue [[spoiler: America Chavez, openly lesbian superhero, has been banished to Shield for breaking Battleworld laws]], leading some to accusing Marvel of gay erasure and making comics only about straight women (although this ignores Loki is canonically bisexual and it seems she is going to have a big part in the story).
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** However, first issue suggests it might be a subversion and Arcadia still has to abide to the laws of Battleworld (as in, laws of [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom]]) and the comics seems to say that utopia in one place is worthless if [[CrapsackWorld the rest of the world is still hell]].
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* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that seems to be replacing 616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise".
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* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that seems to be that's part of the world replacing 616 Earth-616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise".
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* MarySuetopia: Arcadia, a LadyLand that seems to be replacing 616 after the destruction of the Marvel multiverse in the latest CrisisCrossover where women rule the world, is described as a "feminist paradise".