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28th Dec '15 11:58:51 AM Anddrix
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'''Instead:''' [[SmallNameBigEgo Cyrano arrogantly]] invokes ProtectionFromEditors and [[UngratefulBastard nastily rejects the patronage]]. To put things in perspective, rejecting Cardenal Richelieu’s patronage in TheCavalierYears Paris it’s like someone in MarvelUniverse rejecting DoctorDoom’s patronage, or someone in DCUniverse rejecting ComicBook/LexLuthor’s patronage ''when he was PresidentEvil of the United States''.

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'''Instead:''' [[SmallNameBigEgo Cyrano arrogantly]] invokes ProtectionFromEditors and [[UngratefulBastard nastily rejects the patronage]]. To put things in perspective, rejecting Cardenal Richelieu’s patronage in TheCavalierYears Paris it’s like someone in MarvelUniverse rejecting DoctorDoom’s Doctor Doom’s patronage, or someone in DCUniverse rejecting ComicBook/LexLuthor’s patronage ''when he was PresidentEvil of the United States''.
7th Nov '15 11:52:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''TheComedyOfErrors'': One character has been searching for his long-lost twin, and comes to a town where said twin actually lives, causing him to be recognized by everyone and confused with his twin. Mistakes abound, and HilarityEnsues.\\

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* ''TheComedyOfErrors'': ''Theatre/TheComedyOfErrors'': One character has been searching for his long-lost twin, and comes to a town where said twin actually lives, causing him to be recognized by everyone and confused with his twin. Mistakes abound, and HilarityEnsues.\\



* CyranoDeBergerac, an ImpoverishedPatrician StarvingArtist, unknown yet talented playwright, is offered the Patronage of [[MagnificentBastard Cardenal Richelieu]], [[ManBehindTheMan The most powerful man in all France]] and [[RenaissanceMan known playwright]], who will only [[ExecutiveMeddling ''edit one or two verses'']] of [[NewMeat Cyrano’s unproduced play]], ''"Agrippine"''.\\

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* CyranoDeBergerac, ''Theatre/CyranoDeBergerac'', an ImpoverishedPatrician StarvingArtist, unknown yet talented playwright, is offered the Patronage of [[MagnificentBastard Cardenal Richelieu]], [[ManBehindTheMan The most powerful man in all France]] and [[RenaissanceMan known playwright]], who will only [[ExecutiveMeddling ''edit one or two verses'']] of [[NewMeat Cyrano’s unproduced play]], ''"Agrippine"''.\\



* In the 2007 version of ''{{Hairspray}},'' Tracy wants to join the Negro Day Dancers to march against segregation in "The Corny Collins Show" in order for blacks to be allowed to dance on television. \\

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* In the 2007 version of ''{{Hairspray}},'' ''Theatre/{{Hairspray}},'' Tracy wants to join the Negro Day Dancers to march against segregation in "The Corny Collins Show" in order for blacks to be allowed to dance on television. \\



* ''SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'':

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* ''SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'':''Theatre/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'':
7th Nov '15 11:51:51 AM Morgenthaler
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* PeerGynt: Ingrid, the sole daughter of the Hægstad farm, has been sweet on Peer for obvious reasons. His mother knew this.

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* PeerGynt: ''Theatre/PeerGynt'': Ingrid, the sole daughter of the Hægstad farm, has been sweet on Peer for obvious reasons. His mother knew this.



* ThePhantomOfTheOpera has this with the new managers Andre and Firmin. When the curtain crashes in the beginning and scares away Carlotta, Mdme. Giry presents a note from "The Opera Ghost" that demands 20,000 Francs among other things.\\

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* ThePhantomOfTheOpera ''Theatre/ThePhantomOfTheOpera'' has this with the new managers Andre and Firmin. When the curtain crashes in the beginning and scares away Carlotta, Mdme. Giry presents a note from "The Opera Ghost" that demands 20,000 Francs among other things.\\
5th Jul '15 5:05:51 PM nombretomado
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'''Instead:''' [[SmallNameBigEgo Cyrano arrogantly]] invokes ProtectionFromEditors and [[UngratefulBastard nastily rejects the patronage]]. To put things in perspective, rejecting Cardenal Richelieu’s patronage in TheCavalierYears Paris it’s like someone in MarvelUniverse rejecting DoctorDoom’s patronage, or someone in DCUniverse rejecting LexLuthor’s patronage ''when he was PresidentEvil of the United States''.

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'''Instead:''' [[SmallNameBigEgo Cyrano arrogantly]] invokes ProtectionFromEditors and [[UngratefulBastard nastily rejects the patronage]]. To put things in perspective, rejecting Cardenal Richelieu’s patronage in TheCavalierYears Paris it’s like someone in MarvelUniverse rejecting DoctorDoom’s patronage, or someone in DCUniverse rejecting LexLuthor’s ComicBook/LexLuthor’s patronage ''when he was PresidentEvil of the United States''.
17th Jun '15 2:54:39 PM RainFairy
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* Theatre/MadameButterfly: A young woman named Cio-cio-san aka Butterfly marries an American man named Pinkerton, against the opinion of pretty much everyone in their surroundings. It's also stated that Pinkerton married Butterfly just temporarily, and has no intention to actually ''stay'' by her side for more than a month. Pinkerton then leaves to the USA almost immediately after the marriage, and Butterfly is all alone for two/three years -- while her maid Suzuki, the USA consul Sharpless and even the matchmaker who got her hitched to Pinkerton, Gorou, have told her to not wait anymore for him.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Butterfly to consider her difficult situation (she has a young child fathered by Pinkerton, her family save for Suzuki has disowned her for converting to Christianity, they barely have money to scrap by, etc.) and decide that she cannot just stay there waiting endlessly. Even if she still loves Pinkerton, which is understandable since he's her FirstLove and Butterfly herself is merely in her late teens, it's best for Butterfly to be pragmatic and think of her own well-being -- and specially, her ''kid's'' own well-being, as the boy ''is'' already being looked down on for "not having a father".\\
'''Instead:''' She keeps waiting for Pinkerton, blindly believing that as soon as he returns, he will stand by her and everything will be okay. She also refuses all the warnings from Suzuki, the pleas from Sharpless, and Goro's offer to get her a new husband. Predictably, when Pinkerton ''does'' show up, he brings his new American wife Kate and intends to take their kid to the USA, leaving Butterfly alone in Japan. [[SpurnedintoSuicide It goes as well as you expect.]]

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* Theatre/MadameButterfly: A young woman named Cio-cio-san aka Butterfly marries an American man named Pinkerton, against the opinion of pretty much everyone in their surroundings. It's also stated that Pinkerton married Butterfly just temporarily, and has no intention to actually ''stay'' by her side for more than a month. Pinkerton then leaves to the USA almost immediately after the marriage, and Butterfly is all alone for two/three years -- while her maid Suzuki, the USA consul Sharpless and even the matchmaker who got her hitched to Pinkerton, Gorou, have told her to not wait anymore for him."YouHaveWaitedLongEnough" ''several times''.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Butterfly to consider her difficult situation (she has a young child fathered by Pinkerton, her family save for Suzuki has disowned her for converting to Christianity, they barely have money to scrap by, etc.) and decide that nope, she cannot just stay there waiting endlessly. Even if she still loves Pinkerton, which is ''very'' understandable since he's her FirstLove and Butterfly herself is merely in her late teens, it's best for Butterfly to be pragmatic and think of her own well-being -- and specially, her ''kid's'' own well-being, as [[HalfBreeddiscrimination the boy poor boy]] ''is'' already being looked down on for "not having a father".father". Furthermore, Gorou tells her that he can get her a new and much better husband, meaning that she might be able to rebuild her life more or less well if she says yes.\\
'''Instead:''' She keeps waiting for Pinkerton, blindly believing that as soon as he returns, he will stand by her and everything will be okay. She also not only refuses all Gorou's offer, but also rebuffs the warnings from Suzuki, Suzuki and the pleas from Sharpless, and Goro's offer to get her a new husband. Sharpless. Predictably, when Pinkerton ''does'' show up, he brings his new American wife Kate and intends to take their kid to the USA, leaving Butterfly alone in Japan. [[SpurnedintoSuicide It goes as well as you one might expect.]]



'''You'd expect''': For Pinkerton to at least be considerate enough to keep an eye on this girl who, according to Sharpless, completely trusts Pinkerton's good will and love. Even if he cannot take her to the USA or stay in Japan, you know, ''not being an ass to Butterfly'' is at least in minimal good taste. Sharpless is also a guy who seems to be very savvy about Japanese society (he ''is'' the American consul after all), so his word shouldn't be taken lightly.\\
'''Instead''': Not only Pinkerton doesn't give a crap about Butterfly's feelings and stays away for ''three years'' without apparently contacting her, but he ''does'' marry this American woman named Kate and ''brings her with him to Japan''. As said above, [[SpurnedIntoSuicide Butterfly does NOT take it well]].

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'''You'd expect''': For Pinkerton to at least be considerate enough to keep an eye on this girl who, according to Sharpless, completely trusts Pinkerton's good will and love. Even if he cannot take her to the USA or stay in Japan, you know, ''not being an ass to Butterfly'' is at least in minimal good taste. Sharpless is also a guy who seems to be very savvy about Japanese society (he ''is'' As the American consul after all), in Nagasaki, Sharpless has quite the knowledge of Japanese society as a whole, so his word shouldn't be taken lightly.\\
'''Instead''': Not only Pinkerton doesn't give a crap about Butterfly's feelings and stays away for ''three years'' without apparently contacting her, but he ''does'' marry this American woman named Kate and ''brings her his American wife Kate with him to Japan''. As said above, [[SpurnedIntoSuicide Butterfly does NOT take it well]].
26th Sep '14 12:10:21 AM hello86
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* ''Theatre/LoveNeverDies'': Meg Giry loves the Phantom, who loves Christine Daae even more. In the climax, she snaps and abducts The Phantom and Christine's son Gustave and threatens to drown him. The Phantom talks her out of harming the boy but must now talk her out of shooting herself.\\
'''You'd expect:''' The Phantom would kindly talk her into handing him the gun. Since this is an emotionally-damaged young woman, the Phantom would do so by emphasizing with her feelings of abandonment and assure her everything'll be all right.\\
'''Instead:''' The Phantom does so until he tells her "Beauty sometimes goes unseen/We can't all be like Christine.'' This sets Meg off once again and leads her to accidentally shoot and kill Christine.
25th Sep '14 6:59:50 PM hello86
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* ''SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'':
** Anthony Hope has made a plan to elope with Johanna in order to get her away from Judge Turpin, who [[WifeHusbandry seeks to marry her despite the fact that he's raised her as a daughter]], and is making his way to Sweeney's barber shop in order to inform him of the plan. Unknown to Anthony, Turpin is paying Sweeney a visit for a shave so that he can seduce Johanna, and Sweeney has murder on his mind for Turpin.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Anthony would contact Mrs. Lovett and ask if Sweeney had a customer before barging in, or at least take a moment to ''look through the goddamn window of the shop'' before busting in.\\
'''Instead:''' He busts right into the barber shop, with Judge Turpin ''right there in the room'', in order to inform Sweeney that he's found Johanna and that she has agreed to the plan. Because Judge Turpin is in the room, this means that ''he'' has now been informed about it as well, which not only blows Anthony's plan to elope with her straight to hell, but also Sweeney's plan to kill Turpin -- and to make matters even worse for them, Judge Turpin then returns home and has poor Johanna sent to [[BedlamHouse Fogg's Asylum]] for seeking to defy him. And to make things even ''worse'', Sweeney goes from AntiHero to full on VillainProtagonist as a result of being denied his shot at vengeance. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Way to break it, Anthony]].
** In the setup for that scene, Mrs. Lovett tells Sweeney to be patient as he plots his revenge. "Soon, love, soon/Hush, love, hush" and all that.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Sweeney would understand that she's advising patience in ''waiting for Turpin to fall into his grasp.''\\
'''Instead:''' When Turpin ''does'' fall into his grasp that very day, he takes her advice to heart and spends a few minutes giving the guy a proper shave and singing about pretty women, leading to the scene above. "You told me to wait!" he snarls in the next song. Um, yes, Sweeney, she told you to wait for Turpin to come to you, ''not'' to waste time once his throat was finally under your blade! He should have been dead and packed away in the crate long before Anthony arrived!
** And just to put the icing on the above cake, in the film version Anthony proceeds to barge into the shop ''again'' and disrupts another incredibly important moment. Finally, ''finally'', Sweeney and Mrs Lovett are actually talking about themselves! The audience are mere seconds away from hearing them clarify, in front of one another, the exact nature of their relationship. And then Anthony decides he wants to talk to Sweeney.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Anthony to look into the shop, see two characters ''of opposite genders'' talking and employ basic politeness and sensitivity, besides remembering the consequences of the last time he interrupted Sweeney. (In case any tropers have forgotten, these include [[NoIndoorVoice Sweeney screaming "GET OUT! GET OUT!"]] while brandishing a straight razor).\\
'''Instead:''' ... He goes in like a bull in a china shop.
** Mrs Lovett is also a major idiot. The Beadle's coming to ask questions, and she's got a kid on her hands who knows far too much? [[SarcasmMode What ''is'' she going to do with him?]]\\
'''You'd Expect''': Her to put him somewhere that won't make the situation any worse than it already is.\\
'''Instead:''' She locks him in the basement: the one place where he's absolutely guaranteed to gather even ''more'' incriminating evidence than he has already.



* CyranoDeBergerac, an ImpoverishedPatrician StarvingArtist, unknown yet talented playwright, is offered the Patronage of [[MagnificentBastard Cardenal Richelieu]], [[ManBehindTheMan The most powerful man in all France]] and [[RenaissanceMan known playwright]], who will only [[ExecutiveMeddling ''edit one or two verses'']] of [[NewMeat Cyrano’s unproduced play]], ''"Agrippine"''.\\
'''You’d Expect:''' A serious, talented StarvingArtist who [[NewMeat has never been represented in scene]] [[PayingTheirDues will recognize this as a golden opportunity and be tolerant of a]] [[ManBehindTheMan powerful]] Mecenas [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney with a lot of money]] [[RenaissanceMan who really has experience with playwriting]] [[ExecutiveMeddling and whom really]] [[TropesAreNotBad could improve]] ''"Agrippine"''.\\
'''Instead:''' [[SmallNameBigEgo Cyrano arrogantly]] invokes ProtectionFromEditors and [[UngratefulBastard nastily rejects the patronage]]. To put things in perspective, rejecting Cardenal Richelieu’s patronage in TheCavalierYears Paris it’s like someone in MarvelUniverse rejecting DoctorDoom’s patronage, or someone in DCUniverse rejecting LexLuthor’s patronage ''when he was PresidentEvil of the United States''.



* OlderThanFeudalism: In the backstory of ''Theatre/TheTrachiniae'', Deianira is nearly raped by a centaur called Nessus. Her husband Herakles shoots him with arrows poisoned by hydra blood. As Nessus is dying, he gives Deianira some drops of blood from said wound and tells her to handle it very carefully -— it's a love potion that will make Herakles' affections return to her should they ever stray.\\
'''You'd Expect''': She'd put two and two together. This centaur has bad intentions towards her. This centaur hates her husband. He's not actually going to give her something helpful. He was shot with poisoned arrows. Love potion = deadly poison.\\
'''Instead''': At a moment when Herakles has fallen in love with another woman (or seems to have), she tries to save her marriage by using the love potion on him. It kills him brutally, slowly, agonizingly. She commits suicide.
* CyranoDeBergerac, an ImpoverishedPatrician StarvingArtist, unknown yet talented playwright, is offered the Patronage of [[MagnificentBastard Cardenal Richelieu]], [[ManBehindTheMan The most powerful man in all France]] and [[RenaissanceMan known playwright]], who will only [[ExecutiveMeddling ''edit one or two verses'']] of [[NewMeat Cyrano’s unproduced play]], ''"Agrippine"''.\\
'''You’d Expect:''' A serious, talented StarvingArtist who [[NewMeat has never been represented in scene]] [[PayingTheirDues will recognize this as a golden opportunity and be tolerant of a]] [[ManBehindTheMan powerful]] Mecenas [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney with a lot of money]] [[RenaissanceMan who really has experience with playwriting]] [[ExecutiveMeddling and whom really]] [[TropesAreNotBad could improve]] ''"Agrippine"''.\\
'''Instead:''' [[SmallNameBigEgo Cyrano arrogantly]] invokes ProtectionFromEditors and [[UngratefulBastard nastily rejects the patronage]]. To put things in perspective, rejecting Cardenal Richelieu’s patronage in TheCavalierYears Paris it’s like someone in MarvelUniverse rejecting DoctorDoom’s patronage, or someone in DCUniverse rejecting LexLuthor’s patronage ''when he was PresidentEvil of the United States''.

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* OlderThanFeudalism: In Creator/{{Shakespeare}} is not immune to this. At the backstory end of ''Theatre/TheTrachiniae'', Deianira is nearly raped by a centaur called Nessus. Her husband Herakles shoots him with arrows poisoned by hydra blood. As Nessus is dying, he gives Deianira some drops of blood from said wound and tells her to handle it very carefully -— it's a love potion Act 3, Scene 3, ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' has just received confirmation that will make Herakles' affections return his uncle Claudius did, in fact, kill Hamlet's father. Claudius is in a confessional, alone, praying desperately to her should they ever stray.God for repentance and mercy. He does not see Hamlet enter, dagger unsheathed, seeing the time ripe to avenge his father's death. Minor hindrance: as a man in prayer, if killed at that instance, Claudius would go to heaven. However, Claudius' prayer is insincere; he cannot feel remorse for his brother's murder.\\
'''You'd Expect''': She'd put two expect:''' Hamlet, like the son of a king, would alert Claudius out of his prayer and two together. This centaur has bad intentions towards provoke him to a fight. When Claudius is enraged, swearing, and other damnable things, Hamlet skewers him. Since Hamlet ''would be King himself'' if he killed Claudius, ''it doesn't matter in the least'' what anyone else thinks, so why doesn't he do it?\\
'''Instead:''' Hamlet reasons that killing Claudius and sending him to heaven is not fair for Claudius killing King Hamlet and sending him to hell. He sits there for a while explaining this out to himself, and then, a Momma's Boy to the very end, he decides he shouldn't keep Queen Gertrude waiting and goes out to meet
her. This centaur hates her husband. He's not results directly in Polonius's death, Ophelia's suicide, and, [[KillEmAll well, you know the rest.]]
* Theatre/MadameButterfly: A young woman named Cio-cio-san aka Butterfly marries an American man named Pinkerton, against the opinion of pretty much everyone in their surroundings. It's also stated that Pinkerton married Butterfly just temporarily, and has no intention to
actually going to give ''stay'' by her something helpful. He was shot with poisoned arrows. Love potion = deadly poison.side for more than a month. Pinkerton then leaves to the USA almost immediately after the marriage, and Butterfly is all alone for two/three years -- while her maid Suzuki, the USA consul Sharpless and even the matchmaker who got her hitched to Pinkerton, Gorou, have told her to not wait anymore for him.\\
'''Instead''': At a moment when Herakles '''You'd Expect''': Butterfly to consider her difficult situation (she has fallen in love with another woman (or seems to have), she tries to a young child fathered by Pinkerton, her family save for Suzuki has disowned her marriage by using for converting to Christianity, they barely have money to scrap by, etc.) and decide that she cannot just stay there waiting endlessly. Even if she still loves Pinkerton, which is understandable since he's her FirstLove and Butterfly herself is merely in her late teens, it's best for Butterfly to be pragmatic and think of her own well-being -- and specially, her ''kid's'' own well-being, as the love potion boy ''is'' already being looked down on him. It kills him brutally, slowly, agonizingly. She commits suicide.
* CyranoDeBergerac, an ImpoverishedPatrician StarvingArtist, unknown yet talented playwright, is offered the Patronage of [[MagnificentBastard Cardenal Richelieu]], [[ManBehindTheMan The most powerful man in all France]] and [[RenaissanceMan known playwright]], who will only [[ExecutiveMeddling ''edit one or two verses'']] of [[NewMeat Cyrano’s unproduced play]], ''"Agrippine"''.
for "not having a father".\\
'''You’d Expect:''' A serious, talented StarvingArtist who [[NewMeat has never been represented in scene]] [[PayingTheirDues '''Instead:''' She keeps waiting for Pinkerton, blindly believing that as soon as he returns, he will recognize this as a golden opportunity stand by her and everything will be tolerant okay. She also refuses all the warnings from Suzuki, the pleas from Sharpless, and Goro's offer to get her a new husband. Predictably, when Pinkerton ''does'' show up, he brings his new American wife Kate and intends to take their kid to the USA, leaving Butterfly alone in Japan. [[SpurnedintoSuicide It goes as well as you expect.]]
** This is also a big-ass ''opera''
of a]] [[ManBehindTheMan powerful]] Mecenas [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney with a lot of money]] [[RenaissanceMan who idiocy for Pinkerton. When he comments to Sharpless in the First Act that he doesn't really has experience with playwriting]] [[ExecutiveMeddling intend to stay married to Butterfly, Sharpless immediately tells him not to be an asshole and whom really]] [[TropesAreNotBad could improve]] ''"Agrippine"''.that [[WideEyedIdealist Butterfly]], despite being aware of how easy divorce is in Japan, considers herself as his full-blooded wife and will not relinquish that.\\
'''You'd expect''': For Pinkerton to at least be considerate enough to keep an eye on this girl who, according to Sharpless, completely trusts Pinkerton's good will and love. Even if he cannot take her to the USA or stay in Japan, you know, ''not being an ass to Butterfly'' is at least in minimal good taste. Sharpless is also a guy who seems to be very savvy about Japanese society (he ''is'' the American consul after all), so his word shouldn't be taken lightly.\\
'''Instead''': Not only Pinkerton doesn't give a crap about Butterfly's feelings and stays away for ''three years'' without apparently contacting her, but he ''does'' marry this American woman named Kate and ''brings her with him to Japan''. As said above, [[SpurnedIntoSuicide Butterfly does NOT take it well]].
* PeerGynt: Ingrid, the sole daughter of the Hægstad farm, has been sweet on Peer for obvious reasons. His mother knew this.
** '''You`d expect:''' Mother Åse to vouch for Peer ''long ago'' (before the play really started), securing Peer the biggest farm in the area, and a secure economy for herself. You`d also expect that Peer would be smart enough to go for that solution.
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'''Instead:''' [[SmallNameBigEgo Cyrano arrogantly]] invokes ProtectionFromEditors Peer crashes the wedding of Ingrid and [[UngratefulBastard nastily another guy, to be rejected by a newcomer girl, then hijacking Ingrid, and then making himself an outlaw, losing every property right to his father`s farm, and in the end also indirectly causing Ingrid`s farm to go to pieces. WhatAnIdiot.
** Then there is Solveig, poor girl. Peer meets her at the aforementioned wedding party, and he asks her to dance with him.
** '''You`d expect''': That she follows custom and at least tries to be nice to him by trying a round of dancing. After all, that was all he asked for.
** '''Instead''': She
rejects his request because she has heard of him and his antics, and because she is rather prudent. From this rejection comes Peer`s fatal crush on her, his eloping with the patronage]]. To put bride, his meeting with the trolls, and the whole mess finally making him an outlaw. Solveig admittedly sought Peer out to set things straight, and thus she lived in perspective, rejecting Cardenal Richelieu’s patronage in TheCavalierYears Paris it’s like someone in MarvelUniverse rejecting DoctorDoom’s patronage, or someone in DCUniverse rejecting LexLuthor’s patronage ''when he was PresidentEvil of his cottage the United States''.rest of her life. So, Solveig, denying Peer Gynt ''one single dance'' turned into a ''lot'' of problems for both of you.



* PeerGynt: Ingrid, the sole daughter of the Hægstad farm, has been sweet on Peer for obvious reasons. His mother knew this.
** '''You`d expect:''' Mother Åse to vouch for Peer ''long ago'' (before the play really started), securing Peer the biggest farm in the area, and a secure economy for herself. You`d also expect that Peer would be smart enough to go for that solution.
** '''Instead:''' Peer crashes the wedding of Ingrid and another guy, to be rejected by a newcomer girl, then hijacking Ingrid, and then making himself an outlaw, losing every property right to his father`s farm, and in the end also indirectly causing Ingrid`s farm to go to pieces. WhatAnIdiot.
** Then there is Solveig, poor girl. Peer meets her at the aforementioned wedding party, and he asks her to dance with him.
** '''You`d expect''': That she follows custom and at least tries to be nice to him by trying a round of dancing. After all, that was all he asked for.
** '''Instead''': She rejects his request because she has heard of him and his antics, and because she is rather prudent. From this rejection comes Peer`s fatal crush on her, his eloping with the bride, his meeting with the trolls, and the whole mess finally making him an outlaw. Solveig admittedly sought Peer out to set things straight, and thus she lived in his cottage the rest of her life. So, Solveig, denying Peer Gynt ''one single dance'' turned into a ''lot'' of problems for both of you.
* Theatre/MadameButterfly: A young woman named Cio-cio-san aka Butterfly marries an American man named Pinkerton, against the opinion of pretty much everyone in their surroundings. It's also stated that Pinkerton married Butterfly just temporarily, and has no intention to actually ''stay'' by her side for more than a month. Pinkerton then leaves to the USA almost immediately after the marriage, and Butterfly is all alone for two/three years -- while her maid Suzuki, the USA consul Sharpless and even the matchmaker who got her hitched to Pinkerton, Gorou, have told her to not wait anymore for him.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Butterfly to consider her difficult situation (she has a young child fathered by Pinkerton, her family save for Suzuki has disowned her for converting to Christianity, they barely have money to scrap by, etc.) and decide that she cannot just stay there waiting endlessly. Even if she still loves Pinkerton, which is understandable since he's her FirstLove and Butterfly herself is merely in her late teens, it's best for Butterfly to be pragmatic and think of her own well-being -- and specially, her ''kid's'' own well-being, as the boy ''is'' already being looked down on for "not having a father".\\
'''Instead:''' She keeps waiting for Pinkerton, blindly believing that as soon as he returns, he will stand by her and everything will be okay. She also refuses all the warnings from Suzuki, the pleas from Sharpless, and Goro's offer to get her a new husband. Predictably, when Pinkerton ''does'' show up, he brings his new American wife Kate and intends to take their kid to the USA, leaving Butterfly alone in Japan. [[SpurnedintoSuicide It goes as well as you expect.]]
** This is also a big-ass ''opera'' of idiocy for Pinkerton. When he comments to Sharpless in the First Act that he doesn't really intend to stay married to Butterfly, Sharpless immediately tells him not to be an asshole and that [[WideEyedIdealist Butterfly]], despite being aware of how easy divorce is in Japan, considers herself as his full-blooded wife and will not relinquish that.\\
'''You'd expect''': For Pinkerton to at least be considerate enough to keep an eye on this girl who, according to Sharpless, completely trusts Pinkerton's good will and love. Even if he cannot take her to the USA or stay in Japan, you know, ''not being an ass to Butterfly'' is at least in minimal good taste. Sharpless is also a guy who seems to be very savvy about Japanese society (he ''is'' the American consul after all), so his word shouldn't be taken lightly.\\
'''Instead''': Not only Pinkerton doesn't give a crap about Butterfly's feelings and stays away for ''three years'' without apparently contacting her, but he ''does'' marry this American woman named Kate and ''brings her with him to Japan''. As said above, [[SpurnedIntoSuicide Butterfly does NOT take it well]].
* Creator/{{Shakespeare}} is not immune to this. At the end of Act 3, Scene 3, ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' has just received confirmation that his uncle Claudius did, in fact, kill Hamlet's father. Claudius is in a confessional, alone, praying desperately to God for repentance and mercy. He does not see Hamlet enter, dagger unsheathed, seeing the time ripe to avenge his father's death. Minor hindrance: as a man in prayer, if killed at that instance, Claudius would go to heaven. However, Claudius' prayer is insincere; he cannot feel remorse for his brother's murder.\\
'''You'd expect:''' Hamlet, like the son of a king, would alert Claudius out of his prayer and provoke him to a fight. When Claudius is enraged, swearing, and other damnable things, Hamlet skewers him. Since Hamlet ''would be King himself'' if he killed Claudius, ''it doesn't matter in the least'' what anyone else thinks, so why doesn't he do it?\\
'''Instead:''' Hamlet reasons that killing Claudius and sending him to heaven is not fair for Claudius killing King Hamlet and sending him to hell. He sits there for a while explaining this out to himself, and then, a Momma's Boy to the very end, he decides he shouldn't keep Queen Gertrude waiting and goes out to meet her. This results directly in Polonius's death, Ophelia's suicide, and, [[KillEmAll well, you know the rest.]]

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* PeerGynt: Ingrid, ''SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet'':
** Anthony Hope has made a plan to elope with Johanna in order to get her away from Judge Turpin, who [[WifeHusbandry seeks to marry her despite
the sole daughter fact that he's raised her as a daughter]], and is making his way to Sweeney's barber shop in order to inform him of the Hægstad farm, has been sweet on Peer plan. Unknown to Anthony, Turpin is paying Sweeney a visit for obvious reasons. His mother knew this.
** '''You`d expect:''' Mother Åse to vouch for Peer ''long ago'' (before the play really started), securing Peer the biggest farm in the area, and
a secure economy for herself. You`d also expect shave so that Peer would be smart enough to go he can seduce Johanna, and Sweeney has murder on his mind for that solution.
** '''Instead:''' Peer crashes the wedding of Ingrid and another guy, to be rejected by a newcomer girl, then hijacking Ingrid, and then making himself an outlaw, losing every property right to his father`s farm, and in the end also indirectly causing Ingrid`s farm to go to pieces. WhatAnIdiot.
** Then there is Solveig, poor girl. Peer meets her at the aforementioned wedding party, and he asks her to dance with him.
** '''You`d expect''': That she follows custom and at least tries to be nice to him by trying a round of dancing. After all, that was all he asked for.
** '''Instead''': She rejects his request because she has heard of him and his antics, and because she is rather prudent. From this rejection comes Peer`s fatal crush on her, his eloping with the bride, his meeting with the trolls, and the whole mess finally making him an outlaw. Solveig admittedly sought Peer out to set things straight, and thus she lived in his cottage the rest of her life. So, Solveig, denying Peer Gynt ''one single dance'' turned into a ''lot'' of problems for both of you.
* Theatre/MadameButterfly: A young woman named Cio-cio-san aka Butterfly marries an American man named Pinkerton, against the opinion of pretty much everyone in their surroundings. It's also stated that Pinkerton married Butterfly just temporarily, and has no intention to actually ''stay'' by her side for more than a month. Pinkerton then leaves to the USA almost immediately after the marriage, and Butterfly is all alone for two/three years -- while her maid Suzuki, the USA consul Sharpless and even the matchmaker who got her hitched to Pinkerton, Gorou, have told her to not wait anymore for him.
Turpin.\\
'''You'd Expect''': Butterfly to consider her difficult situation (she has a young child fathered by Pinkerton, her family save for Suzuki has disowned her for converting to Christianity, they barely have money to scrap by, etc.) Anthony would contact Mrs. Lovett and decide that she cannot just stay there waiting endlessly. Even ask if she still loves Pinkerton, which is understandable since he's her FirstLove and Butterfly herself is merely in her late teens, it's best for Butterfly Sweeney had a customer before barging in, or at least take a moment to be pragmatic and think of her own well-being -- and specially, her ''kid's'' own well-being, as ''look through the boy ''is'' already being looked down on for "not having a father".goddamn window of the shop'' before busting in.\\
'''Instead:''' She keeps waiting for Pinkerton, blindly believing that as soon as he returns, he will stand by her and everything will be okay. She also refuses all He busts right into the warnings from Suzuki, the pleas from Sharpless, and Goro's offer to get her a new husband. Predictably, when Pinkerton ''does'' show up, he brings his new American wife Kate and intends to take their kid to the USA, leaving Butterfly alone in Japan. [[SpurnedintoSuicide It goes as well as you expect.]]
** This is also a big-ass ''opera'' of idiocy for Pinkerton. When he comments to Sharpless
barber shop, with Judge Turpin ''right there in the First Act room'', in order to inform Sweeney that he doesn't really intend to stay married to Butterfly, Sharpless immediately tells him not to be an asshole he's found Johanna and that [[WideEyedIdealist Butterfly]], despite she has agreed to the plan. Because Judge Turpin is in the room, this means that ''he'' has now been informed about it as well, which not only blows Anthony's plan to elope with her straight to hell, but also Sweeney's plan to kill Turpin -- and to make matters even worse for them, Judge Turpin then returns home and has poor Johanna sent to [[BedlamHouse Fogg's Asylum]] for seeking to defy him. And to make things even ''worse'', Sweeney goes from AntiHero to full on VillainProtagonist as a result of being aware of how easy divorce is in Japan, considers herself as denied his full-blooded wife shot at vengeance. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Way to break it, Anthony]].
** In the setup for that scene, Mrs. Lovett tells Sweeney to be patient as he plots his revenge. "Soon, love, soon/Hush, love, hush"
and will not relinquish all that.\\
'''You'd expect''': For Pinkerton Expect''': Sweeney would understand that she's advising patience in ''waiting for Turpin to at least be considerate enough fall into his grasp.''\\
'''Instead:''' When Turpin ''does'' fall into his grasp that very day, he takes her advice
to keep an eye on this girl who, according to Sharpless, completely trusts Pinkerton's good will heart and love. Even if he cannot take her spends a few minutes giving the guy a proper shave and singing about pretty women, leading to the USA or stay scene above. "You told me to wait!" he snarls in Japan, the next song. Um, yes, Sweeney, she told you know, ''not being an ass to Butterfly'' is at least wait for Turpin to come to you, ''not'' to waste time once his throat was finally under your blade! He should have been dead and packed away in minimal good taste. Sharpless is also a guy who seems the crate long before Anthony arrived!
** And just
to be very savvy put the icing on the above cake, in the film version Anthony proceeds to barge into the shop ''again'' and disrupts another incredibly important moment. Finally, ''finally'', Sweeney and Mrs Lovett are actually talking about Japanese society (he ''is'' themselves! The audience are mere seconds away from hearing them clarify, in front of one another, the American consul after all), so his word shouldn't be taken lightly.exact nature of their relationship. And then Anthony decides he wants to talk to Sweeney.\\
'''Instead''': Not only Pinkerton doesn't give a crap about Butterfly's feelings '''You'd Expect''': Anthony to look into the shop, see two characters ''of opposite genders'' talking and stays away for ''three years'' without apparently contacting her, but he ''does'' marry this American woman named Kate employ basic politeness and ''brings her with him to Japan''. As said above, [[SpurnedIntoSuicide Butterfly does NOT take it well]].
* Creator/{{Shakespeare}} is not immune to this. At
sensitivity, besides remembering the end consequences of Act 3, Scene 3, ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' has just received confirmation that his uncle Claudius did, in fact, kill Hamlet's father. Claudius is in a confessional, alone, praying desperately to God for repentance and mercy. He does not see Hamlet enter, dagger unsheathed, seeing the last time ripe to avenge his father's death. Minor hindrance: as a man in prayer, if killed at that instance, Claudius would go to heaven. However, Claudius' prayer is insincere; he cannot feel remorse for his brother's murder.interrupted Sweeney. (In case any tropers have forgotten, these include [[NoIndoorVoice Sweeney screaming "GET OUT! GET OUT!"]] while brandishing a straight razor).\\
'''Instead:''' ... He goes in like a bull in a china shop.
** Mrs Lovett is also a major idiot. The Beadle's coming to ask questions, and she's got a kid on her hands who knows far too much? [[SarcasmMode What ''is'' she going to do with him?]]\\
'''You'd expect:''' Hamlet, like Expect''': Her to put him somewhere that won't make the son of a king, would alert Claudius out of his prayer and provoke him to a fight. When Claudius is enraged, swearing, and other damnable things, Hamlet skewers him. Since Hamlet ''would be King himself'' if he killed Claudius, ''it doesn't matter in the least'' what anyone else thinks, so why doesn't he do it?\\
situation any worse than it already is.\\
'''Instead:''' Hamlet reasons She locks him in the basement: the one place where he's absolutely guaranteed to gather even ''more'' incriminating evidence than he has already.
* OlderThanFeudalism: In the backstory of ''Theatre/TheTrachiniae'', Deianira is nearly raped by a centaur called Nessus. Her husband Herakles shoots him with arrows poisoned by hydra blood. As Nessus is dying, he gives Deianira some drops of blood from said wound and tells her to handle it very carefully -— it's a love potion
that killing Claudius will make Herakles' affections return to her should they ever stray.\\
'''You'd Expect''': She'd put two
and sending him to heaven is not fair for Claudius killing King Hamlet and sending him to hell. He sits there for a while explaining this out to himself, and then, a Momma's Boy to the very end, he decides he shouldn't keep Queen Gertrude waiting and goes out to meet two together. This centaur has bad intentions towards her. This results directly centaur hates her husband. He's not actually going to give her something helpful. He was shot with poisoned arrows. Love potion = deadly poison.\\
'''Instead''': At a moment when Herakles has fallen
in Polonius's death, Ophelia's suicide, and, [[KillEmAll well, you know love with another woman (or seems to have), she tries to save her marriage by using the rest.]] love potion on him. It kills him brutally, slowly, agonizingly. She commits suicide.
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'''To make matters worse:''' ''In the very next scene,'' Raoul is discussing with the managers how to capture the Phantom - even though he's already had him at his mercy and could have dealt with him then and there!!! (To be fair, though, this is more the script's fault than Raoul's; in the stage version he hatches his plan to capture the Phantom before the confrontation in the graveyard, and didn't try to kill or capture the Phantom then because he knew there'd be a better opportunity in the future.)

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'''To make matters worse:''' ''In the very next scene,'' Raoul is discussing with the managers how to capture the Phantom - even though he's already had him at his mercy and could have dealt with him then and there!!! (To be fair, though, this is more the script's fault than Raoul's; in the stage version he hatches his plan to capture the Phantom well before the confrontation in the graveyard, and didn't try to kill or capture the Phantom then ''then'' because he knew there'd be a better opportunity in the future.)
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'''To make matters worse:''' ''In the very next scene,'' Raoul is discussing with the managers how to capture the Phantom - even though he's already had him at his mercy and could have dealt with him then and there!!!

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'''To make matters worse:''' ''In the very next scene,'' Raoul is discussing with the managers how to capture the Phantom - even though he's already had him at his mercy and could have dealt with him then and there!!! (To be fair, though, this is more the script's fault than Raoul's; in the stage version he hatches his plan to capture the Phantom before the confrontation in the graveyard, and didn't try to kill or capture the Phantom then because he knew there'd be a better opportunity in the future.)
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* Creator/{{Shakespeare}} is not immune to this. At the end of Act 3, Scene 3, ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' has just received confirmation that his uncle Claudius did, in fact, kill Hamlet's father. Claudius is in a confessional, alone, praying desperately to God for repentance and mercy. He does not see Hamlet enter, dagger unsheathed, seeing the time ripe to avenge his father's death. Minor hindrance: as a man in prayer, if killed at that instance, Claudius would go to heaven. However, Claudius' prayer is insincere; he cannot feel remorse for his brother's murder.\\
'''You'd expect:''' Hamlet, like the son of a king, would alert Claudius out of his prayer and provoke him to a fight. When Claudius is enraged, swearing, and other damnable things, Hamlet skewers him. Since Hamlet ''would be King himself'' if he killed Claudius, ''it doesn't matter in the least'' what anyone else thinks, so why doesn't he do it?\\
'''Instead:''' Hamlet reasons that killing Claudius and sending him to heaven is not fair for Claudius killing King Hamlet and sending him to hell. He sits there for a while explaining this out to himself, and then, a Momma's Boy to the very end, he decides he shouldn't keep Queen Gertrude waiting and goes out to meet her. This results directly in Polonius's death, Ophelia's suicide, and, [[KillEmAll well, you know the rest.]]
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