History WellIntentionedExtremist / LiveActionTV

21st Apr '18 6:29:31 PM LittleDancerGirl
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* Happens quite a few times in ''Series/{{Flashpoint}}'', with the most blatant example being a mentally ill man who takes the staff and patrons of a restaurant hostage because he believes it's a front for a terrorist group. It turns out that [[spoiler: he is actually being manipulated by a fully sane WellIntentionedExtremist]].
7th Apr '18 3:40:16 PM gb00393
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** While Varys can and will switch sides if it suits him and is willing to commit some pretty ambiguous acts, in the long run, Varys is doing it all for the sake of the Realm. He might even be one of the most genuinely well-intentioned characters in the show since he takes the little people into consideration, though his methods and goals for doing so lack imagination.
18th Mar '18 9:20:21 AM gb00393
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** Daenerys Targaryen comes across as this. She sees The Iron Throne as belonging to her father and takes command of a barbarian tribe who RapePillageAndBurn with the words, "I swear to you those who would harm you will ''die screaming''." She uses the tribe as well as dragons to free slaves and ally them into her army. Anyone she does not like she kills and takes over. And she intends to not just shift rule to herself, but seeing the other kingdoms as horrible seeks war with them, and has the power and the will to destroy them.

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** Daenerys Targaryen comes across as this. She She's fundamentally heroic but she sees The Iron Throne as belonging to her father and takes command of a barbarian tribe who RapePillageAndBurn with the words, "I swear to you those who would harm you will ''die screaming''." She uses the tribe as well as dragons to free slaves and ally them into her army. Anyone she does not like she kills and takes over. And she intends to not just shift rule to herself, but seeing the other kingdoms as horrible seeks war with them, and has the power and the will to destroy them.
2nd Mar '18 3:40:57 PM AmuckCricetine
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** The [[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sisters_of_Plenitude Sisters of Plenitude]], from "New Earth". They're curing patients of their hospital quickly and efficiently... by way of horribly [[spoiler:infected cloned humans with every known disease in the galaxy.]] The episode plays with this a little, as [[spoiler:some of the sisters callously execute the clones who began thinking and feeling, and one seems more concerned with the Sister's reputation after the clones escape, carrying disease with them.]]
** The Judoon. In "Smith and Jones", they're trying to stop a sociopathic killer. They do this by transporting an entire hospital and everyone inside it to the Moon. Ultimately, they return it as planned, but it's still an incredible risk to take with the lives of probably hundreds of innocent bystanders. The episode ''Turn Left'' reveals that, if the Doctor hadn't intervened, everybody but one man in that hospital (including Martha) would have suffocated. Similarly, the book ''Judgement of the Judoon'' opens with them forcing their way into a spaceship by driving an access tunnel through the hull, in order to ask the occupants about the Invisible Assassin. On discovering that they don't know anything, the Judoon leave...and don't think twice about retracting the access tunnel to leave a gaping hole.

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** The [[http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Sisters_of_Plenitude Sisters of Plenitude]], from "New Earth"."[[Recap/DoctorWhoS28E1NewEarth New Earth]]". They're curing patients of their hospital quickly and efficiently... by way of horribly [[spoiler:infected cloned humans with every known disease in the galaxy.]] The episode plays with this a little, as [[spoiler:some of the sisters callously execute the clones who began thinking and feeling, and one seems more concerned with the Sister's reputation after the clones escape, carrying disease with them.]]
** The Judoon. In "Smith "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E1SmithAndJones Smith and Jones", Jones]]", they're trying to stop a sociopathic killer. They do this by transporting an entire hospital and everyone inside it to the Moon. Ultimately, they return it as planned, but it's still an incredible risk to take with the lives of probably hundreds of innocent bystanders. The episode ''Turn Left'' reveals that, if the Doctor hadn't intervened, everybody but one man in that hospital (including Martha) would have suffocated. Similarly, the book ''Judgement of the Judoon'' opens with them forcing their way into a spaceship by driving an access tunnel through the hull, in order to ask the occupants about the Invisible Assassin. On discovering that they don't know anything, the Judoon leave...and don't think twice about retracting the access tunnel to leave a gaping hole.
2nd Mar '18 3:36:13 PM AmuckCricetine
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** Operation Golden Age in ''Invasion of the Dinosaurs''. [[spoiler:Desperate to save the planet, people mean to move back time and RetGone everyone save their chosen few.]]
** Maximilien Robespierre in ''The Reign of Terror''. TruthInTelevision.
** The Doctor himself has always been this. Colin Baker, the Sixth Doctor, once said that the Doctor believes in "the rightness of things. It doesn't have to be [[BeautyEqualsGoodness beautiful]], or happy, but ''right''; it's got to be right. And when he sees something that isn't right, he's compelled to do something about it." Most of the time, it works out in his favor, but since the end of the Time War, he's become much more reckless, leading to several MyGodWhatHaveIDone moments throughout the New Series.
** The Sisterhood of Karn from ''The Night of the Doctor'' manipulate the Doctor into becoming something anathema to his nature using the death of Cass to push him past the DespairEventHorizon, but are doing so only out of sheer desperation to end the carnage of the Time War and save the universe from both the Daleks and the Time Lords. Since the audience never finds out ''[[TheUnreveal why]]'' Cass' ship ran into trouble so close to Karn, one [[WildMassGuessing interpretation]] is that the Sisterhood intentionally caused the crash [[FridgeHorror in the first place]], as a means to lure the Doctor to them.
** In ''Remembrance of the Daleks'', the difference between George Ratcliffe and Mike Smith (the two named human racist fascists in the story) is that Ratcliffe was only after power, while Mike Smith had been led astray from his youth and genuinely believed the Association was acting in Britain's best interests. With Ratcliffe's [[BrokenPedestal pedestal broken]], he might have learned better in time had he not [[spoiler:been electrocuted Sith-style by the Daleks' young slave]].

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** Operation Golden Age in ''Invasion "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS11E2InvasionOfTheDinosaurs Invasion of the Dinosaurs''.Dinosaurs]]". [[spoiler:Desperate to save the planet, people mean to move back time and RetGone everyone save their chosen few.]]
** Maximilien Robespierre in ''The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E8TheReignOfTerror The Reign of Terror''.Terror]]". TruthInTelevision.
** The Doctor himself has always been this. Colin Baker, Creator/ColinBaker, the Sixth Doctor, once said that the Doctor believes in "the rightness of things. It doesn't have to be [[BeautyEqualsGoodness beautiful]], or happy, but ''right''; it's got to be right. And when he sees something that isn't right, he's compelled to do something about it." Most of the time, it works out in his favor, but since the end of the Time War, he's become much more reckless, leading to several MyGodWhatHaveIDone moments throughout the New Series.
** The Sisterhood of Karn from ''The "[[Recap/DoctorWho50thPrequelTheNightOfTheDoctor The Night of the Doctor'' Doctor]]" manipulate the Doctor into becoming something anathema to his nature using the death of Cass to push him past the DespairEventHorizon, but are doing so only out of sheer desperation to end the carnage of the Time War and save the universe from both the Daleks and the Time Lords. Since the audience never finds out ''[[TheUnreveal why]]'' Cass' ship ran into trouble so close to Karn, one [[WildMassGuessing interpretation]] is that the Sisterhood intentionally caused the crash [[FridgeHorror in the first place]], as a means to lure the Doctor to them.
** In ''Remembrance "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E1RemembranceOfTheDaleks Remembrance of the Daleks'', Daleks]]", the difference between George Ratcliffe and Mike Smith (the two named human racist fascists in the story) is that Ratcliffe was only after power, while Mike Smith had been led astray from his youth and genuinely believed the Association was acting in Britain's best interests. With Ratcliffe's [[BrokenPedestal pedestal broken]], he might have learned better in time had he not [[spoiler:been electrocuted Sith-style by the Daleks' young slave]].



** Subverted in "Genesis of the Daleks" with Davros, who at first appears to be this (he claims to the other Kaleds that he was trying to prolong the survival of his race through changing them to a [[LittleGreenManInACan form more suitable for surviving in a nuclear apocalypse]], and everyone seems to treat him with respect). When the Doctor attempts to morally reason with him towards the end of the story in the hope that he'll realise how dangerous the Daleks are and see some sense, it soon becomes apparent that Davros is, in fact, a completely delusional OmnicidalManiac who knows exactly how terrible the Daleks are and is going to do it anyway [[AGodAmI to set himself up above the gods]].

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** Subverted in "Genesis "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks Genesis of the Daleks" Daleks]]" with Davros, who at first appears to be this (he claims to the other Kaleds that he was trying to prolong the survival of his race through changing them to a [[LittleGreenManInACan form more suitable for surviving in a nuclear apocalypse]], and everyone seems to treat him with respect). When the Doctor attempts to morally reason with him towards the end of the story in the hope that he'll realise how dangerous the Daleks are and see some sense, it soon becomes apparent that Davros is, in fact, a completely delusional OmnicidalManiac who knows exactly how terrible the Daleks are and is going to do it anyway [[AGodAmI to set himself up above the gods]].
6th Oct '17 8:51:02 PM Lightning4119
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* The last season of ''Series/BurnNotice'' gave us James Kendrick. Kendrick is the antithesis of MyCountryRightOrWrong; in his military days he refused an order to massacre a village and [[spoiler:slit the throats of every member of the team that carried out the order in his team's place]]. When Michael is sent undercover to bring him down, Kendrick's first mission is to prevent MI-6 from protecting a monster and his second is to protect a good peacemaker from being assassinated by rebels of another nation.

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* The last season of ''Series/BurnNotice'' gave us James Kendrick. Kendrick is the antithesis of MyCountryRightOrWrong; in his military days he refused an order to massacre a village and [[spoiler:slit the throats of every member of the team that carried out the order in his team's place]]. When Michael is sent undercover to bring him down, Kendrick's first mission is to prevent MI-6 from protecting a monster and his second is to protect a good peacemaker from being assassinated by rebels of another nation. Kendrick is violently (literally) loyal to his men - when one of his men [[DirtyCoward leaves another behind]], Kendrick calmly shoots him in the head. In a darker show, he might be a hero.



* ''Series/PersonOfInterest'': A few [[VictimOfTheWeek Victims Of The Week]] fall into this category, as does [[MyCountryRightOrWrong Control]]. In the second half of season four, [[TheCracker Root]] tumbles backwards into this after she had just managed to pull herself into a [[ThouShaltNotKill relatively moral code]] due to a SanitySlippage following [[spoiler: [[UncertainDoom Shaw's disappearance]]]].

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* ''Series/PersonOfInterest'': A few [[VictimOfTheWeek Victims Of The Week]] fall into this category, as does [[MyCountryRightOrWrong Control]]. In the second half of season four, [[TheCracker Root]] tumbles backwards into this after she had just managed to pull herself into a [[ThouShaltNotKill relatively moral code]] due to a SanitySlippage following [[spoiler: [[UncertainDoom Shaw's disappearance]]]]. Toyed with to Hell and back with [[MissionControl Finch]], who played it straight by building the Machine following September 11th, constantly violating the privacy of basically ''everyone in the United States'' to stop terrorist activity, but built it as a closed system so that it couldn't be abused by the government, specifically to avert this.



** Vampire hunter Gordon Walker can be considered this: he kills monsters but generally does not care if innocents get caught in the crossfire.

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** Vampire hunter Gordon Walker can be considered this: he kills monsters but generally does not care if innocents get caught in the crossfire. He also has no regard for [[VegetarianVampire monsters that don't kill humans]], figuring that they'll go bad at the slightest prompting and that the only reasonable course of action is to kill them first.
24th Aug '17 5:49:22 AM gb00393
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** Jaime Lannister killed his king to save a city and his father. He crippled a boy to protect his sister. He threatened to kill a man's newborn to end a siege. What's sad is that the consequences of these acts always come back to haunt him.
16th Jul '17 4:24:00 AM SpocktorWho
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': The Smalljon is mainly bartering an alliance with Ramsay, whom he openly condemns, just to protect the North from an army of Wildlings. Unfortunately, he's mistaken that the Wildlings are being led by Jon Snow to sack the North.

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The Smalljon is mainly bartering an alliance with Ramsay, whom he openly condemns, just to protect the North from an army of Wildlings. Unfortunately, he's mistaken that the Wildlings are being led by Jon Snow to sack the North.North.
** Daenerys Targaryen comes across as this. She sees The Iron Throne as belonging to her father and takes command of a barbarian tribe who RapePillageAndBurn with the words, "I swear to you those who would harm you will ''die screaming''." She uses the tribe as well as dragons to free slaves and ally them into her army. Anyone she does not like she kills and takes over. And she intends to not just shift rule to herself, but seeing the other kingdoms as horrible seeks war with them, and has the power and the will to destroy them.



* Daenerys Targaryen of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' comes across as this. She sees The Iron Throne as belonging to her father and takes command of a barbarian tribe who RapePillageAndBurn with the words, "I swear to you those who would harm you will ''die screaming''." She uses the tribe as well as dragons to free slaves and ally them into her army. Anyone she does not like she kills and takes over. And she intends to not just shift rule to herself, but seeing the other kingdoms as horrible seeks war with them, and has the power and the will to destroy them.
23rd Jun '17 11:13:51 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': The Smalljon is mainly bartering an alliance with Ramsay, whom he openly condemns, just to protect the North from an army of Wildlings. Unfortunately, he's mistaken that the Wildlings are being led by Jon Snow to sack the North.
31st May '17 6:15:38 AM Luaan
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*** The Federation itself frequently displays a similar attitude, though they usually aren't ''quite'' as extremist; including "freeing" Borg Drones by removing them from the Collective (regardless of what the drone wants, pre- or post-transformation). This depends on the writer and era, ranging all the way from "we cannot interfere even though what they're doing is a terrible atrocity in our eyes" (even when not interfering causes entire intelligent species to die out) to "we're the best guys with the best morals and ethics in the galaxy, everyone surely wants to be just like us". This is of course [[UpToEleven Upped To Eleven]] with many characters in the Mirror universe, though exactly who is well-intentioned and who's just a bastard isn't always easy to see.
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