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19th Nov '17 8:45:41 AM HasturHasturHastur
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** PCP is another vault that does this; while the violent psychotic breaks that high dosages tend to bring are widely known, the loss of physical control and possibility of seizure, coma, or death are also an issue, and the effects of long-term usage (which include life-threatening physical ailments, namely rhabdomyolysis) are even worse. Like datura, there is a reason why PCP has virtually no positive experience reports.


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* PsychoSerum: At high dosages, PCP can turn into this, and the violent psychotic rages (coupled with the potentially debilitating and/or lethal physical effects of both heavy immediate and long-term usage) are the reason why, like the datura vault, the vault makes it very clear that you should never even touch the stuff.
18th Nov '17 3:58:41 PM HasturHasturHastur
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** As far as negative mental effects, the site acknowledges that some people can definitely experience paranoia and panic issues, and while it expresses skepticism regarding cannabis usage as a trigger for psychotic episodes with preexisting disorders (namely schizophrenia and bipolar disorder), it does conclude that while there is no absolute proof of a causal link, people with genetic predispositions to psychotic disorders should exercise great caution when using cannabis nonetheless.
16th Nov '17 7:27:37 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* EverybodyMustGetStoned: Cannabis in and of itself is the substance with the most positive experiences, health-related usages, etcetera, and the ''least'' addiction/habituation and train wrecks and trip disasters stories. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], because weed is arguably the safest psychoactive drug with the exception of certain individual health circumstances (such as some heart conditions or a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia).

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* EverybodyMustGetStoned: Cannabis in and of itself is the substance with the most positive experiences, health-related usages, etcetera, and the ''least'' addiction/habituation and train wrecks and trip disasters stories. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]], because weed is arguably the safest psychoactive drug with the exception of certain individual health circumstances (such as some heart conditions or a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia).schizophrenia and bipolar disorder). Nevertheless, like all substances, it can have a pronounced negative effect on one's quality of life if not handled properly, and most responsible and mature users will agree that there are certain people who do not have the maturity or self-control to be trusted to use it responsibly.
24th Jul '17 8:08:29 PM HasturHasturHastur
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** The datura vault is also like this. Given how unbelievably hazardous it is to use and how many people report absolutely awful trips from it, it's safe to say that it's basically nothing but trouble.

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** The datura vault is also like this. Given how unbelievably hazardous it is to use and how many people report absolutely awful trips Between the inherent danger that comes from it, it's safe even using it (as it has a good chance of being lethally poisonous), the terrifying and long-lasting trips, and the debilitating and excruciatingly long comedown, there is literally no good reason to say that it's basically nothing but trouble.trip on it and anyone who does so has made an incredibly poor choice.
27th Jun '16 8:50:49 PM HasturHasturHastur
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* WorldOfChaos: The result of a datura trip in a nutshell and part of the reason why it has virtually no positive experience reports and why the vault as a whole makes it clear that it is ''bad'' shit (the other reasons being the danger that comes with even using it and the highly unpleasant and prolonged comedown).
29th Apr '16 3:50:20 AM RevolutionStone
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** Many of the neuroleptics/antipsychotics are also this, owing to a few factors: they're absolutely awful drugs to try to get high from taking or if taken by accident and/or by someone who isn't suffering from mania or psychosis, they're often administered to end a bad or undesired experience from other substances, and even in illnesses where they are warranted, too few doctors adhere to "start low, go slow" and often stick with the highest dose possible given in an initial crisis "just in case" a smaller, less side-effect-laden dose would lead to a return of symptoms for someone suffering from Bipolar 1 - even if the lower dose wouldn't result in relapse and would make the person less angry at side effects. The combination of these results in their vaults looking ''very'' negative, mostly because they are written in large part by people sane enough to be ''very'' pissed off with a BaitAndSwitch or with side effects they don't need to have for the drug to work.
10th Aug '15 1:20:10 AM RevolutionStone
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* ApocalypticLog: Quite a few in the personal sense of the term. For some especially tragic ones, look at the "Addiction/Habituation" and "Difficult Experiences" in the cocaine/crack or crystal meth vaults, almost anything listed under "Addiction/Habituation" anywhere, and almost ''every single thing'' in the datura vault.
30th Dec '14 12:38:38 PM HasturHasturHastur
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** The datura vault is also like this. Given how unbelievably hazardous it is to use and how many people report absolutely awful trips from it, it's safe to say that it's basically nothing but trouble.
4th Jul '14 11:38:38 PM RevolutionStone
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** Another case is opiate pain medication for chronic pain - technically, most long-term users of opiates are physically addicted/dependent, but in someone suffering from chronic, severe pain (usually from cancer, but the effects of an injury and some pain syndromes can also qualify), being on the correct dose of pain medication can literally save their life from suicide and keep them from being bedridden or immobile.
** Habitual use of amphetamine stimulants is one of the worst addictions possible - except when it isn't ''technically'' an "addiction," but a doctor-prescribed treatment for adult ADD/ADHD, where, if properly managed, the addictive, dangerous drug in almost all other contexts is the best treatment for the disorder, or narcolepsy, where the use of the drug, if it works, prevents the sudden, overwhelming to the degree of disabling "sleep attacks" the disorder causes. They are also a last-ditch obesity treatment (if ''all'' other pharmaceutical means of reducing appetite or reducing body mass have failed, and the person isn't considering weight loss surgery/isn't a good candidate for it).
12th Dec '13 2:25:23 PM gallium
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* DrugsAreBad: Averted ("Glowing Experiences" and "Health" have some good stories) AND played heartbreakingly straight ("Addiction," "Difficult Experiences," "Train Wrecks and Trip Disasters,") sometimes in the same vault. The entire point of the site is neutral, nuanced information about drugs and substances and plants, so you will see everything from the most positive stories about drugs that are almost universally dangerous (e.g. someone {{squee}}ing over crystal meth) to the most negative rants on drugs that are generally helpful (e.g. someone ranting about how their roomie's psych meds didn't get them high). The best way to use the site is to review the information all neutrally, or, failing that, to assume that a drug with very few positive experiences or where almost all the positive experiences have major warnings may be "bad" for most users.

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* DrugsAreBad: Averted DrugsAreBad / DrugsAreGood: Both the latter ("Glowing Experiences" and "Health" have some good stories) AND played heartbreakingly straight and the former ("Addiction," "Difficult Experiences," "Train Wrecks and Trip Disasters,") sometimes in the same vault. The entire point of the site is neutral, nuanced information about drugs and substances and plants, so you will see everything from the most positive stories about drugs that are almost universally dangerous (e.g. someone {{squee}}ing over crystal meth) to the most negative rants on drugs that are generally helpful (e.g. someone ranting about how their roomie's psych meds didn't get them high). The best way to use the site is to review the information all neutrally, or, failing that, to assume that a drug with very few positive experiences or where almost all the positive experiences have major warnings may be "bad" for most users.
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