History WMG / Tsukihime

*** Marble Phantasm is specific to Arcueid, Sumire, the Crimson Moon and Altrouge. Sumire is something of an odd ball and generally can't actually use it due to drunkenness. If you meant Reality Marble, Satsuki is somewhat bipolar as a vampire, but having two ultimate representations of one's soul is a lot like [[{{Naruto}} trying to look right and left at the same time]]...[[AlienGeometries in five dimensions]]. Also, I can't recall Shirou ever rejecting his Reality Marble.

[[WMG: The Fifth Magic is the manipulation of [[GurrenLagann Spiral Energy]]]]

Satsuki is easier to see. She's an anomaly, a human not only with so much magic potential she turned into a true vampire in a matter of hours rather than decades, but also possessing a Reality Marble. As well, per ''MeltyBlood'', she seems to be getting stronger. Apparently, WordOfGod ''is'' that she takes the 10th spot...

** If MeltyBlood is right, then she [[spoiler:very depressingly has to be killed by Shiki in one of her endings, and in the other (going from [=ReAct=]'s storyline) he seems to have a lasting relationship with everybody (more so than the Ciel ending) while she lurks in the distance]]. I ''really'' want to know what they do with her route, since as of now it seems like they've written themselves into a corner with the other works.

The result is that [[MultipleEndings Nearby timelines]] [[MeltyBlood fuse together]], [[CurseEscapeClause large scale time travel becomes possible]], and [[{{Sliding Scale Of Silliness Versus Seriousness}} events]] and [[BigBad beings]] are attracted to this like blood in the water. Hence ''MeltyBlood'' being a mishmash of continuities even ''within itself'', with a character that the original WordOfGod said ''[[LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai did not exist in the same universe as Shiki Tohno]]'' coming into play.

*** She ''did'' have a good reason to think her Eyes might have that effect. Arcueid might be incredibly dense at times, but she knew Shiki liked her to some extent (and like I said, it's especially obvious if she was the subject of Shiki's sex dream, and he admits it). Given that she seems to get the [[http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Tsukihime/Update%2037/s180-05.jpg moderately creepy eyes]] whenever she goes batshit (see also: the manga scene, which details it more, Ciel's True Ending, with the ''super'' creepy eyes, and [[MeltyBlood Red Arcueid]]), and they're described as Mystic Eyes of Enchantment, they're plausible. And because she doesn't know about Nanaya and she expressly knows that Shiki isn't a rapist, they're her only explanation.

* There's two ways to be immune to the Eyes. That's one way (also taken by [[MeltyBlood the Night of Wallachia]]). The other way is to have a non-Gaian concept of death (like [[AllThereInTheManual ORT]]). Either way works, so yes, Shiki would have a time of it fighting them.

--->"Hisui and Kohaku belong to a branch family of the [[Literature/KaraNoKyoukai Fujou]] that fell into ruin after the pair's mother broke one of clan's taboos, which is why the two girls ended being picked up by Tohno Makihisa."

*** The ghost-girl from the first ''Literature/KaraNoKyoukai'' movie?? Compared to Tohno, maybe, but the Nanayas are the Archers of Tsukihime (made powerful purely on effort).

They are different from the ones of the Shiki of ''Literature/KaraNoKyoukai'' and SHIKI says in Drinking Dreaming Moon that he can't see the lines because of the eyes but because he understands death well, using the fact he is talking with him and that he can see Akiha's hair as proofs. In fact, he actually says Shiki's eyes AREN'T of Death Perception.

The result is that [[MultipleEndings Nearby timelines]] [[MeltyBlood fuse together]], [[CurseEscapeClause large scale time travel becomes possible]], and [[{{Sliding Scale Of Silliness Versus Seriousness}} events]] and [[BigBad beings]] are attracted to this like blood in the water. Hence ''MeltyBlood'' being a mishmash of continuities even ''within itself'', with a character that the original WordOfGod said ''[[Literature/KaraNoKyoukai did not exist in the same universe as Shiki Tohno]]'' coming into play.

* I haven't gotten far enough in ''Literature/KaraNoKyoukai'' to learn of Touko's goal and why it contradicts the Shinsou (and so I can't argue against the WordOfGod alternate reality), but yes, different versions of people certainly exist in multiple universes. On the other hand, while the odds of two people having Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is incredibly low, the different circumstances of the Shikis doesn't really rely on those odds all that much. Ryougi's eyes are an in-born ability, that started to be expressed after her two-year long coma/exposure to death. Nanaya's eyes are a total accident; he already had the Pure Eyes ability of seeing mystical things that were otherwise unseeable, and his near-death experience caused his brain to start perceiving lines of Death. Barring some really weird chaos theory explanation, it doesn't seem like those events would necessarily interact at all, let alone counter each other to the extent of necessitating an alternate universe. Quoth [[Franchise/TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Trillian]], it's not impossible, just very, very improbable.

*** Mystic Eyes do consume prana. [[FateStayNight Rider's]] eyes are often bound up or sealed because they use rather a lot and can be quite taxing over long periods. However, there is no sort of binding on his eyes, so his eyes are indeed always on. That being said, he's never shown to be running low on mana to power them and does not actually use any magic. The contract with Len probably would not use up all the spare mana he has. Even if it did, it would not divert any from his eyes and would merely overtax his body and kill him ''faster'' due to what happens when your body runs out of mana to use.

* Possibly related: [[FateStayNight Sakura Matou becomes a DAA in a non-Heaven's Feel route.]]

** Yeah, it probably can't - Depletion Garden is symbolic of her continual loss-without-gain, like [[FateStayNight Emiya's Unlimited Blade Works]] is representative of his never-ending conflicts and his struggle between ideal and reality. Reality Marbles are based on the base 'origin' that defines the person to the extent that they can't use it if they choose to go against it. Not much of it is mentioned though...

** Shinji used no magic. He used a tome to create an effect. Think Caster's book in FateZero or the Jewel Sword. a limited magical artifact designed to produce an effect beyond the capabilities of what you're normally capable of.

Or at least, not mostly. Look at what she's saying. 'You'll regret this' and not 'I'll make you regret this.' 'You don't even like me.' Her reaction if it's carried through is exactly the same as if you stopped, minus a bad end since optionally raping the heroine is kind of a bad message to put across (sorry Kohaku). Also, her Mystic Eyes are not like [[FateZero Lancer/Diarmuid's]] love spot; They do not create attraction, they influence the will and mind, which ''can'' create love/lust as seen in one bad end. And Arcueid assumes this is why Shiki is trying to have sex with her? Hmmmm...

Only he's a Dead Apostle and never bothered to fully master them, so the Mage's Association ignores the part about the Third True Magic and grudgingly admit he's '''barely''' the heir to the Third.

The right one? [[http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._Dawn Mr. Dawn]]: had he met SHIKI, he would have just dispelled him with his exorcist skills.

The right one? [[http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._Dawn Mr. Dawn]]: had he met SHIKI, he would have just dispelled him with his exorcist skills (that are BeyondTheImpossible).

* I haven't gotten far enough in ''Literature/KaraNoKyoukai'' to learn of Touko's goal and why it contradicts the Shinsou (and so I can't argue against the WordOfGod alternate reality), but yes, different versions of people certainly exist in multiple universes. On the other hand, while the odds of two people having Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is incredibly low, the different circumstances of the Shikis doesn't really rely on those odds all that much. Ryougi's eyes are an in-born ability, that started to be expressed after her two-year long coma/exposure to death. Nanaya's eyes are a total accident; he already had the Pure Eyes ability of seeing mystical things that were otherwise unseeable, and his near-death experience caused his brain to start perceiving lines of Death. Barring some really weird chaos theory explanation, it doesn't seem like those events would necessarily interact at all, let alone counter each other to the extent of necessitating an alternate universe. Quoth [[TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Trillian]], it's not impossible, just very, very improbable.

*** Hmm...you're right. It is plausible that Kohaku hid the keys (I'm not entirely convinced...but it's a WMG, I don't have to be). I'd go into more detail, but I've completely forgotten what the original point was, hang on...okay, so the original argument was that everything in KT happened to Shiki (or someone else) in "real life," so Len had less work to do. I still think the photo thing entailed Arcueid herself screwing around with it in her dream...but [[ZeroPunctuation oh dear my eyes have gone crosswise]], so...

Considering her technological and medicinal skills, it's the perfect job for her. Basically she'd be [[MetalGearSolid Otacon]]. This assumes that she got over the madness, possibly with Len's help.

** If MeltyBlood is right, then she [[spoiler:very depressingly has to be killed by Shiki in one of her endings, and in the other (going from ReAct's storyline) he seems to have a lasting relationship with everybody (more so than the Ciel ending) while she lurks in the distance]]. I ''really'' want to know what they do with her route, since as of now it seems like they've written themselves into a corner with the other works.

The list of Dead Apostles is COMPLETELY messed up. It has vampires that are dead, [[Main/SealedEvilInACan sealed]], [[Main/HeelFaceTurn working for the church]], or [[Main/CosmicHorror not even vampires at all]]. There's a simple explanation for all this: The list is fake, perpetuated by the vampires in power so they can hide their identities. The misinformation is such that even other vampires believe this false information, the better to sow confusion among the Church.

* Alternatively, one of the [[CosmicHorror Types]] could do it, maybe not entirely on purpose.

--->"Hisui and Kohaku belong to a branch family of the [[Anime/KaraNoKyoukai Fujou]] that fell into ruin after the pair's mother broke one of clan's taboos, which is why the two girls ended being picked up by Tohno Makihisa."

*** The ghost-girl from the first ''Anime/KaraNoKyoukai'' movie?? Compared to Tohno, maybe, but the Nanayas are the Archers of Tsukihime (made powerful purely on effort).

They are different from the ones of the Shiki of ''Anime/KaraNoKyoukai'' and SHIKI says in Drinking Dreaming Moon that he can't see the lines because of the eyes but because he understands death well, using the fact he is talking with him and that he can see Akiha's hair as proofs. In fact, he actually says Shiki's eyes AREN'T of Death Perception.

The result is that [[MultipleEndings Nearby timelines]] [[MeltyBlood fuse together]], [[CurseEscapeClause large scale time travel becomes possible]], and [[{{Sliding Scale Of Silliness Versus Seriousness}} events]] and [[BigBad beings]] are attracted to this like blood in the water. Hence ''MeltyBlood'' being a mishmash of continuities even ''within itself'', with a character that the original WordOfGod said ''[[Anime/KaraNoKyoukai did not exist in the same universe as Shiki Tohno]]'' coming into play.

* I haven't gotten far enough in ''Anime/KaraNoKyoukai'' to learn of Touko's goal and why it contradicts the Shinsou (and so I can't argue against the WordOfGod alternate reality), but yes, different versions of people certainly exist in multiple universes. On the other hand, while the odds of two people having Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is incredibly low, the different circumstances of the Shikis doesn't really rely on those odds all that much. Ryougi's eyes are an in-born ability, that started to be expressed after her two-year long coma/exposure to death. Nanaya's eyes are a total accident; he already had the Pure Eyes ability of seeing mystical things that were otherwise unseeable, and his near-death experience caused his brain to start perceiving lines of Death. Barring some really weird chaos theory explanation, it doesn't seem like those events would necessarily interact at all, let alone counter each other to the extent of necessitating an alternate universe. Quoth [[TheHitchhikersGuideToTheGalaxy Trillian]], it's not impossible, just very, very improbable.

* There are already animals such as certain species of jellyfish and lobsters that have biological immortality. Its possible he already has atleast this maybe a stem cell creation system since he is considered a primordial soup substance.

[WMG: The nighttime conversation in Kohaku's route was actually between SHIKI and Nrvnqsr Chaos]]