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Taking from another Troper's WMG above, we'll find out that the Witcwicky motto actually belonged to Sir Burton's secret order, and that [[{{Film/Transformers}} Archibald Witwicky didn't discover Megatron]] by accident: he was ''looking for him''! For some reason, after he became mad his descendants were kept in the dark about the rest of the order (maybe to protect them from scrutiny by Sector 7; maybe because Archibald had gone rogue) and forgot his involvement, but they kept the motto as their own.

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Taking from another Troper's WMG above, we'll find out that the Witcwicky motto actually belonged to Sir Burton's secret order, and that [[{{Film/Transformers}} [[Film/Transformers2007 Archibald Witwicky didn't discover Megatron]] by accident: he was ''looking for him''! For some reason, after he became mad his descendants were kept in the dark about the rest of the order (maybe to protect them from scrutiny by Sector 7; maybe because Archibald had gone rogue) and forgot his involvement, but they kept the motto as their own.
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Whatever happened to Optimus that left him drifting through space led him to cross paths with Unicron. Unicron then used some form of mind control on Optimus. This is why Optimus appears to be "evil". This will lead Bumblebee and Cade to have a IKnowYouAreInThereSomewhereFight with Optimus later in the movie.

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Whatever happened to Optimus that left him drifting through space led him to cross paths with Unicron. Unicron then used some form of mind control on Optimus. This is why Optimus appears to be "evil". This will lead Bumblebee and Cade to have a IKnowYouAreInThereSomewhereFight IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight with Optimus later in the movie.
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** [[spoiler: Jossed. He ran out of fuel and was orbiting jupiter beforing being called back to Cybertron and revived then after a brief battle mind-controlled by Quintessa.]]

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** [[spoiler: Jossed. He ran out of fuel and was orbiting jupiter beforing being called back to Cybertron and revived then then, after a brief battle mind-controlled battle, gets brainwashed by Quintessa.]]
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** Optimus solemnly replies "once..." and threw him out. This may the final straw as the next time they meet, it will truly be the last.

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** Optimus solemnly replies "once..." and threw him out. This may lead to a fight to the final straw as the finish next time they meet, it will truly time, and it'll be the last.
for good.
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** Optimus solemnly replies "once..." and threw him out. This may the final straw as the next time they meet, it will truly be the last.
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Sam's death is all but confirmed at this point, given Sir Edmund's claims about him being the last of the Order of the Witwiccan (which Sam's family was a part of). Considering Quintessa's plans for Optimus in the film, it certainly seemed to be in her best interest to demoralize him to the point where he would be vulnerable to her brainwashing. Whatever happened between the events of ''Dark of the Moon'' and ''Age of Extinction'' caused Optimus to become disillusioned with humans by the latter film, and what better way to explain that than the death of the one human he completely trusted? Now, Quintessa didn't really need to arrange the creation of Cemetery Wind, since overall public opinion of the Transformers was already on the rocks by that point, but Sam, on the other hand, was the one major obstacle in her path to controlling Optimus. So, she took care of him somehow.

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Sam's death is all but confirmed at this point, given Sir Edmund's claims about him being the last of the Order of the Witwiccan (which Sam's family was a part of). Considering Quintessa's plans for Optimus in the film, it certainly seemed to be in her best interest to demoralize him to the point where he would be vulnerable to her brainwashing. Whatever happened between the events of ''Dark of the Moon'' and ''Age of Extinction'' caused Optimus to become disillusioned with humans by the latter film, and what better way to explain that than the death of the one human he completely trusted? Now, Quintessa didn't really need to arrange the creation of Cemetery Wind, since overall public opinion of the Transformers was already on the rocks by that point, but Sam, on the other hand, was the one major obstacle in her path to controlling Optimus. So, she took care of him somehow.somehow.

[[WMG: Nitro Zeus used the remains of a KSI Drone to repair himself at some point.]]
It would explain why Nitro Zeus resembles one of the KSI Bosses from the last film. After the events of ''Age of Extinction'', he seemingly arrived on Earth, damaged to some degree. He likely landed near a scrapyard housing the remnants of the KSI robots. Stealing one of the deactivated KSI Bosses, he upgraded himself into his current form.
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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Onslaught is only an in-name incarnation of his G1 counterpart and is killed pretty quickly into the film.]]



* Taking a page from the original Marvel G1 comic book, Megatron in this movie will not be Galvatron taking back his old name, but will instead come from an alternate universe. The foreign Megatron and the native Galvatron will then fight over the right to be Decepticon Leader. And then it will be revealed that this is all Unicron's fault.

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* Taking a page from the original Marvel G1 comic book, Megatron in this movie will not be Galvatron taking back his old name, but will instead come from an alternate universe. The foreign Megatron and the native Galvatron will then fight over the right to be Decepticon Leader. And then it will be revealed that this is all Unicron's fault.




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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Megatron is all but confirmed to be a restored Galvatron from the last film.]]



** [[spoiler: Jossed. In the movie there is only one Megatron]]

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** [[spoiler: Jossed. In the movie movie, there is only one Megatron]]



The movie seems to involve time travel so I think that the main villians will be Galvatron of the present and Megatron of the past. Megatron will end up getting frozen to preserve the timeline.
** [[spoiler: Jossed. The big bads are Megatron and Quintessa]]

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The movie seems to involve time travel so I think that the main villians villains will be Galvatron of the present and Megatron of the past. Megatron will end up getting frozen to preserve the timeline.
** * [[spoiler: Jossed. The big bads are Megatron and Quintessa]]



** [[spoiler: Jossed. We do however see the extended Witwicky family tree and a brief photo of Sam's eBay profile picture.]]

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** * [[spoiler: Jossed. We do however see the extended Witwicky family tree and a brief photo of Sam's eBay profile picture.]]



** [[spoiler: Jossed.]]

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** * [[spoiler: Jossed.]]



** [[spoiler: Half Confirmed. Archibald was a member of the Order of the Witwiccans. It's likely the Witcwicky family name originated from the Order's name. Their family motto came from the Order which whom itself got it from a quote by King Arthur himself during a battle against the Saxons.]]

[[WMG: The round thing in the end is an eye]] Just after Optimus's attack and before the film's title we see a large eye when the camera zooms outwards.

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** * [[spoiler: Half Confirmed.Half-confirmed. Archibald was a member of the Order of the Witwiccans. It's likely the Witcwicky Witwicky family name originated from the Order's name. Their family motto came from the Order Order, which whom itself it, in turn, got it from a quote by King Arthur himself during a battle against the Saxons.]]

[[WMG: The round thing in the end is an eye]] eye]]
Just after Optimus's attack and before the film's title title, we see a large eye when the camera zooms outwards.



** No longer likely. It appears the "Maker" will be an original character called Quintessa, named after the Quintessons' home planet in the cartoon.
** [[spoiler: Half-Jossed Half Confirmed. Quintessa refers to herself as a Prime]]

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** * No longer likely. It appears the "Maker" will be an original character called Quintessa, named after the Quintessons' home planet in the cartoon.
** * [[spoiler: Half-Jossed Half Confirmed. Half-jossed, half-confirmed. Quintessa refers to herself as a Prime]]
Prime.]]



* In Age of Extinction, we find out Megatron uploading his mind into a Sparkless transformium body that was built by KSI. He might not have been the only one to do so.
** Alternatively, he may have just been wounded, captured, and thrown into the Decepticon prison that humanity has apparently been maintaining.

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* In Age ''Age of Extinction, Extinction'', we find out Megatron uploading his mind into a Sparkless transformium Transformium body that was built by KSI. He might not have been the only one to do so.
** * Alternatively, he may have just been wounded, captured, and thrown into the Decepticon prison that humanity has apparently been maintaining.



** [[spoiler: Jossed. Megatron barters with the TRF to release his subordinates from captivity while Starscream remains dead]]

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** * [[spoiler: Jossed. Megatron barters with the TRF to release his subordinates from captivity while Starscream remains dead]]
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** [[spoiler: So Jossed. Earth is Unicron]]

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** * [[spoiler: So Jossed. Earth is Unicron]]



** [[spoiler:The Primes are the Creators. Quintessa is Optimus Prime's maker, aka the Creator he sought at the end of Age of Extinction, is a Prime and is also called a goddess. Sentinel Prime said to Optimus on Cybertron they were gods.]]

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** * [[spoiler:The Primes are the Creators. Quintessa is Optimus Prime's maker, aka the Creator he sought at the end of Age of Extinction, is a Prime and is also called a goddess. Sentinel Prime said to Optimus on Cybertron they were gods.]]



** And he is warping reality around Optimus Prime to help him, since Autobot leader's action are profitable to him. This is why Optimus became so effective in ROTF without any good reason. This could also explain his PlotArmor.

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** * And he is warping reality around Optimus Prime to help him, since Autobot leader's action are profitable to him. This is why Optimus became so effective in ROTF without any good reason. This could also explain his PlotArmor.



Jossed, but the TRF do have a HeelFaceTurn before the final battle, so perhaps somewhat confirmed in spirit.

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Jossed, * [[spoiler:Jossed, but the TRF do have a HeelFaceTurn before the final battle, so perhaps somewhat confirmed in spirit.
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[[WMG: Megatron is a master negotiater]]

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*** [[spoiler: Actually, the grand finale angle could be confirmed. The film's critical and commercial failure have thrown all possibilities of a proper sequel in limbo, according to the latest reports]].



* Primus meanwhile, having seen the endless wars of cybertron and becoming corrupted by the influence of [[SatanicArchetype Quintessa]] comes to believe that [[WellIntentionedExtremist the only way]] to have true peace is by [[DimensionLord becoming the center of all reality,]] unknowingly becoming [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis just like Unicron.]] He will also be a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]] who doesn't know (or doesn't even believe) that Unicron has changed and will attempt to [[ApocalypseHow destroy earth]] and the cybertronians [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (Who he believes are corrupted)]] to cleanse the universe of his influence, forcing the autobot and deceptions into an [[EnemyMine Enemy Mine]] situation to fight him.

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* Primus meanwhile, having seen the endless wars of cybertron and becoming corrupted by the influence of [[SatanicArchetype Quintessa]] comes to believe that [[WellIntentionedExtremist the only way]] to have true peace is by [[DimensionLord becoming the center of all reality,]] unknowingly becoming [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis just like Unicron.]] He will also be a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]] who doesn't know (or doesn't even believe) that Unicron has changed and will attempt to [[ApocalypseHow destroy earth]] and the cybertronians [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (Who he believes are corrupted)]] to cleanse the universe of his influence, forcing the autobot and deceptions into an [[EnemyMine Enemy Mine]] situation to fight him.him.

[[WMG: Quintessa played a hand in Sam's death.]]
Sam's death is all but confirmed at this point, given Sir Edmund's claims about him being the last of the Order of the Witwiccan (which Sam's family was a part of). Considering Quintessa's plans for Optimus in the film, it certainly seemed to be in her best interest to demoralize him to the point where he would be vulnerable to her brainwashing. Whatever happened between the events of ''Dark of the Moon'' and ''Age of Extinction'' caused Optimus to become disillusioned with humans by the latter film, and what better way to explain that than the death of the one human he completely trusted? Now, Quintessa didn't really need to arrange the creation of Cemetery Wind, since overall public opinion of the Transformers was already on the rocks by that point, but Sam, on the other hand, was the one major obstacle in her path to controlling Optimus. So, she took care of him somehow.
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* Well, in the climax, he reminded Optimus that they were brothers once, apparently grown tired of fighting each other.
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The Fallen claimed ''he'' was the one betrayed by the original Primes for stopping him from activating the Sun Harvester on Earth. Assuming the Dynasty of Primes knew about [[spoiler: Unicron being]] Earth's core, perhaps he didn't want to destroy the planet so much because of his hatred of the humans, but because he wanted to destroy [[spoiler: Unicron]], whom he either understood was an [[EvilerThanThou even greater evil than himself]] or even because he saw him as a [[EvilVsOblivion threat to this own power.]]

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The Fallen claimed ''he'' was the one betrayed by the original Primes for stopping him from activating the Sun Harvester on Earth. Assuming the Dynasty of Primes knew about [[spoiler: Unicron being]] Earth's core, perhaps he didn't want to destroy the planet so much because of his hatred of the humans, but because he wanted to destroy [[spoiler: Unicron]], whom he either understood was an [[EvilerThanThou even greater evil than himself]] or even because he saw him as a [[EvilVsOblivion [[EvilVersusOblivion threat to this own power.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Unicron is behind everything that happens in the first three movies.]]]]
[[spoiler: Not consciously,]] mind you. But seeing how he [[spoiler: is the Earth's core,]] this may bring into scope everything that has happened throughout the movies. The Allspark was probably drawn to [[spoiler: Unicron's energy]] being so similar to Cybertron's, and [[Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen The Fallen]] and [[Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon Sentinel Prime]] might have known about [[spoiler: Earth having to have formed around Unicron,]] which may explain their hatred for humans; in their eyes, both see the humans as nothing more than [[spoiler: Unicron's]] unholy spawns.

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Unicron [[Unicron is [[GreaterScopeVillain behind everything that happens happened in the first three movies.]]]]
[[spoiler: Not consciously,]] mind you. But seeing Seeing how he [[spoiler: is the Earth's core,]] core, this may bring into scope everything that has happened throughout the movies. The Allspark was probably drawn to [[spoiler: Earth because it resonated with Unicron's energy]] being so similar to Cybertron's, energy as it had with Cybertron, and [[Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen The Fallen]] and [[Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon Sentinel Prime]] might have known about [[spoiler: Earth having to have formed around Unicron,]] Unicron, which may explain their hatred for humans; in their eyes, both see the humans as nothing more than [[spoiler: Unicron's]] Unicron's unholy spawns.




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Jossed, but the TRF do have a HeelFaceTurn before the final battle, so perhaps somewhat confirmed in spirit.



The Fallen claimed ''he'' was the one betrayed by the original Primes for stopping him from activating the Sun Harvester on Earth. Assuming the Dynasty of Primes knew about [[spoiler: Unicron being]] Earth's core, perhaps he didn't want to destroy the planet so much because of his hatred of the humans, but because he wanted to destroy [[spoiler: Unicron]], whom he either understood was an [[EvilerThanThou even greater evil than himself]] or even simply because he saw him as a [[EvilVsEvil threat to this own power.]]

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The Fallen claimed ''he'' was the one betrayed by the original Primes for stopping him from activating the Sun Harvester on Earth. Assuming the Dynasty of Primes knew about [[spoiler: Unicron being]] Earth's core, perhaps he didn't want to destroy the planet so much because of his hatred of the humans, but because he wanted to destroy [[spoiler: Unicron]], whom he either understood was an [[EvilerThanThou even greater evil than himself]] or even simply because he saw him as a [[EvilVsEvil [[EvilVsOblivion threat to this own power.]]
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** Edmund does say he’s the last of the Witwiccans, though. So Sam may possibly be dead.
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And Primus [[AdaptationalVillainy Adaptational Villainy.]] Unicron was originally [[OmnicidalManiac like he was]] in G1. However, upon [[spoiler:[[GeniusLoci becoming the earth]]]] and seeing the rise of humanity he [[TookALevelInKindness Took A Level In Kindness]] upon seeing the value of life and decided to help humanity throughout various points in history [[God becoming the inspiration for many religions]] across the planet, and began to see humans as his children.

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And Primus [[AdaptationalVillainy Adaptational Villainy.]] Unicron was originally [[OmnicidalManiac like he was]] in G1. However, upon [[spoiler:[[GeniusLoci becoming the earth]]]] and seeing the rise of humanity he [[TookALevelInKindness Took A Level In Kindness]] upon seeing the value of life and decided to help humanity throughout various points in history [[God [[{{God}} becoming the inspiration for many religions]] across the planet, and began to see humans as his children.
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* Primus meanwhile, having seen the endless wars of cybertron and becoming corrupted by the influence of [[SatanicArchetype Quintessa]] comes to believe that [[WellIntentionedExtremist the only way]] to have true peace is by [[DimensionLord becoming the center of all reality,]] unknowingly becoming [[BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis just like Unicron.]] He will also be a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]] who doesn't know (or doesn't even believe) that Unicron has changed and will attempt to [[ApocalypseHow destroy earth]] and the cybertronians [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (Who he believes are corrupted)]] to cleanse the universe of his influence, forcing the autobot and deceptions into an [[EnemyMine Enemy Mine]] situation to fight him.

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* Primus meanwhile, having seen the endless wars of cybertron and becoming corrupted by the influence of [[SatanicArchetype Quintessa]] comes to believe that [[WellIntentionedExtremist the only way]] to have true peace is by [[DimensionLord becoming the center of all reality,]] unknowingly becoming [[BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis [[BecameTheirOwnAntithesis just like Unicron.]] He will also be a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]] who doesn't know (or doesn't even believe) that Unicron has changed and will attempt to [[ApocalypseHow destroy earth]] and the cybertronians [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (Who he believes are corrupted)]] to cleanse the universe of his influence, forcing the autobot and deceptions into an [[EnemyMine Enemy Mine]] situation to fight him.
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* Primus meanwhile, having seen the endless wars of cybertron and becoming corrupted by the influence of [[SatanicArchetype Quintessa]] comes to believe that the only way to have true peace is by [[DimensionLord becoming the center of all reality,]] unknowingly becoming [[BecomeYourOwnAntithesis just like Unicron.]] He will also be a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]] who doesn't know (or doesn't even believe) that Unicron has changed and will attempt to [[ApocalypseHow destroy earth]] and the cybertronians [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (Who he believes are corrupted)]] to cleanse the universe of his influence, forcing the autobot and deceptions into an [[EnemyMine Enemy Mine]] situation to fight him.

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* Primus meanwhile, having seen the endless wars of cybertron and becoming corrupted by the influence of [[SatanicArchetype Quintessa]] comes to believe that [[WellIntentionedExtremist the only way way]] to have true peace is by [[DimensionLord becoming the center of all reality,]] unknowingly becoming [[BecomeYourOwnAntithesis [[BecomeTheirOwnAntithesis just like Unicron.]] He will also be a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]] who doesn't know (or doesn't even believe) that Unicron has changed and will attempt to [[ApocalypseHow destroy earth]] and the cybertronians [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (Who he believes are corrupted)]] to cleanse the universe of his influence, forcing the autobot and deceptions into an [[EnemyMine Enemy Mine]] situation to fight him.
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... is because he's [[Main/BrickJoke still searching for "username:ladiesman217."]]

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... is because he's [[Main/BrickJoke still searching for "username:ladiesman217."]]"]]

[[WMG: Unicron will go through [[{{AdaptationalHeroism}} Adaptational Heroism]] in the sequel]]
And Primus [[AdaptationalVillainy Adaptational Villainy.]] Unicron was originally [[OmnicidalManiac like he was]] in G1. However, upon [[spoiler:[[GeniusLoci becoming the earth]]]] and seeing the rise of humanity he [[TookALevelInKindness Took A Level In Kindness]] upon seeing the value of life and decided to help humanity throughout various points in history [[God becoming the inspiration for many religions]] across the planet, and began to see humans as his children.
*Primus meanwhile, having seen the endless wars of cybertron and becoming corrupted by the influence of [[SatanicArchetype Quintessa]] comes to believe that the only way to have true peace is by [[DimensionLord becoming the center of all reality,]] unknowingly becoming [[BecomeYourOwnAntithesis just like Unicron.]] He will also be a [[KnightTemplar Knight Templar]] who doesn't know (or doesn't even believe) that Unicron has changed and will attempt to [[ApocalypseHow destroy earth]] and the cybertronians [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter (Who he believes are corrupted)]] to cleanse the universe of his influence, forcing the autobot and deceptions into an [[EnemyMine Enemy Mine]] situation to fight him.
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[[WMG: This movie will introduce Unicron as either the BiggerBad or a GreaterScopeVillain]]

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[[WMG: This movie will introduce Unicron as either the BiggerBad or a GreaterScopeVillain]]
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Those familiar with Arthurian lore know that King Arthur's court did not last. King Arthur is betrayed and killed by his son (or nephew) Mordred and his best knight Lancelot started having an affair with his wife Guinevere, which eventually lead to the dissolution of the Knights of the Round Table and the fall of Camelot, ultimately shattering the faith the Knights originally had for humans.

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Those familiar with Arthurian lore know that King Arthur's court did not last. King Arthur is betrayed and killed by his son (or nephew) Mordred and his best knight Lancelot started having an affair with his wife Guinevere, which eventually lead to the dissolution of the Knights of the Round Table and the fall of Camelot, ultimately shattering the faith the Knights originally had for humans.humans.

[[WMG: The only reason Barricade survived the events between [[Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon DOTM]] and this film...]]
... is because he's [[Main/BrickJoke still searching for "username:ladiesman217."]]
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It simply caused him enough pain to commit suicide.

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It simply caused him enough pain to commit suicide.suicide.

[[WMG: The Knights of Iacon went through a similar experience with the humans as Optimus did]]
Those familiar with Arthurian lore know that King Arthur's court did not last. King Arthur is betrayed and killed by his son (or nephew) Mordred and his best knight Lancelot started having an affair with his wife Guinevere, which eventually lead to the dissolution of the Knights of the Round Table and the fall of Camelot, ultimately shattering the faith the Knights originally had for humans.
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Or at least, he want to keep him alive so his archnemesis will see his final triumph. Sure, he killed Optimus in ROTF, but this ordered by The Fallen and necessary to proceed further. However, In Mission City, despite all adventage he had, he never really tried to deal a fatal blow. Also, both in Chicago and battle with Autobots in TLK, he could kill Optimus easily, but both times he decided to taunt him instead.

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Or at least, he want to keep him alive so his archnemesis will see his final triumph. Sure, he killed Optimus in ROTF, but this ordered by The Fallen and necessary to proceed further. However, In Mission City, despite all adventage he had, he never really tried to deal a fatal blow. Also, both in Chicago and battle with Autobots in TLK, he could kill Optimus easily, but both times he decided to taunt him instead.instead.

[[WMG: The watch didn't actually kill Hitler.]]
It simply caused him enough pain to commit suicide.
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** ** [[spoiler: Jossed. Earth is Unicron. Earth formed around him like in the Transformers: Prime continuity and is the main reason Cybertronian artifacts and Cybertronians themselves keep showing up on Earth. The reason at least for most Cybertronians coming there excluding the Dynasty of Primes and the Kngihts of Iacon although unknown to the Cybertronians themselves is that Cybertron needed to be restored by draining the spark of Unicron with a staff owned by the Creator Quintessa stolen from her by the Knights of Iacon and hidden on Earth.

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** ** [[spoiler: Jossed. Earth is Unicron. Earth formed around him like in the Transformers: Prime continuity and is the main reason Cybertronian artifacts and Cybertronians themselves keep showing up on Earth. The reason at least for most Cybertronians coming there excluding the Dynasty of Primes and the Kngihts of Iacon although unknown to the Cybertronians themselves is that Cybertron needed to be restored by draining the spark of Unicron with a staff owned by the Creator Quintessa stolen from her by the Knights of Iacon and hidden on Earth.
Earth.]]

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** And he is warping reality around Optimus Prime to help him, since Autobot leader's action are profitable to him. This is why Optimus became so effective in ROTF without any good reason. This could also explain his PlotArmor.



[[WMG: Quintessa is the "daughter" of Primus.]]

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[[WMG: Quintessa is the "daughter" of Primus.]]]]

[[WMG: Megatron don't want to kill Optimus Prime at all]]
Or at least, he want to keep him alive so his archnemesis will see his final triumph. Sure, he killed Optimus in ROTF, but this ordered by The Fallen and necessary to proceed further. However, In Mission City, despite all adventage he had, he never really tried to deal a fatal blow. Also, both in Chicago and battle with Autobots in TLK, he could kill Optimus easily, but both times he decided to taunt him instead.
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Megatron never wanted Berserker on his team. He knew the TRF would never let Beserker be released but that him wanting Berserker would unnerve them, making them more likely to give him the Decepticons he actually wanted in order to keep Berserker imprisoned. Megatron doesn't even need a second to think after being told to pick someone else meaning either he had several backup choices or, more likely, Berserker was simply a negotiation tactic to make the TRF more open to Megatron's other choices, who they may have been more unwilling to release otherwise.

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Megatron never wanted Berserker on his team. He knew the TRF would never let Beserker be released but that him wanting Berserker would unnerve them, making them more likely to give him the Decepticons he actually wanted in order to keep Berserker imprisoned. Megatron doesn't even need a second to think after being told to pick someone else meaning either he had several backup choices or, more likely, Berserker was simply a negotiation tactic to make the TRF more open to Megatron's other choices, who they may have been more unwilling to release otherwise.otherwise.

[[WMG: Quintessa is the "daughter" of Primus.]]
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The Fallen claimed ''he'' was the one betrayed by the original Primes for stopping him from activating the Sun Harvester on Earth. Assuming the Dynasty of Primes knew about [[spoiler: Unicron being]] Earth's core, perhaps he didn't want to destroy the planet so much because of his hatred of the humans, but because he wanted to destroy [[spoiler: Unicron]], whom he either understood was an [[EvilerThanThou even greater evil than himself]] or even simply because he saw him as a [[EvilVsEvil threat to this own power.]]

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The Fallen claimed ''he'' was the one betrayed by the original Primes for stopping him from activating the Sun Harvester on Earth. Assuming the Dynasty of Primes knew about [[spoiler: Unicron being]] Earth's core, perhaps he didn't want to destroy the planet so much because of his hatred of the humans, but because he wanted to destroy [[spoiler: Unicron]], whom he either understood was an [[EvilerThanThou even greater evil than himself]] or even simply because he saw him as a [[EvilVsEvil threat to this own power.]]]]

[[WMG: Megatron is a master negotiater]]
Megatron never wanted Berserker on his team. He knew the TRF would never let Beserker be released but that him wanting Berserker would unnerve them, making them more likely to give him the Decepticons he actually wanted in order to keep Berserker imprisoned. Megatron doesn't even need a second to think after being told to pick someone else meaning either he had several backup choices or, more likely, Berserker was simply a negotiation tactic to make the TRF more open to Megatron's other choices, who they may have been more unwilling to release otherwise.
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It may or may not be MoreThanMindControl.

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It may or may not be MoreThanMindControl.MoreThanMindControl.

[[WMG: The Fallen was a WellIntentionedExtremist.]]
The Fallen claimed ''he'' was the one betrayed by the original Primes for stopping him from activating the Sun Harvester on Earth. Assuming the Dynasty of Primes knew about [[spoiler: Unicron being]] Earth's core, perhaps he didn't want to destroy the planet so much because of his hatred of the humans, but because he wanted to destroy [[spoiler: Unicron]], whom he either understood was an [[EvilerThanThou even greater evil than himself]] or even simply because he saw him as a [[EvilVsEvil threat to this own power.]]

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[[spoiler: Not consciously,]] mind you. But seeing how he [[spoiler: is the Earth's core,]] this may bring into scope everything that has happened throughout the movies. The Allspark was probably drawn to [[spoiler: Unicron's energy]] being so similar to Cybertron's, and [[TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen The Fallen]] and [[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon Sentinel Prime]] might have known about [[spoiler: Earth having to have formed around Unicron,]] which may explain their hatred for humans; in their eyes, both see the humans as nothing more than [[spoiler: Unicron's]] unholy spawns.

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[[spoiler: Not consciously,]] mind you. But seeing how he [[spoiler: is the Earth's core,]] this may bring into scope everything that has happened throughout the movies. The Allspark was probably drawn to [[spoiler: Unicron's energy]] being so similar to Cybertron's, and [[TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen [[Film/TransformersRevengeOfTheFallen The Fallen]] and [[TransformersDarkOfTheMoon [[Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon Sentinel Prime]] might have known about [[spoiler: Earth having to have formed around Unicron,]] which may explain their hatred for humans; in their eyes, both see the humans as nothing more than [[spoiler: Unicron's]] unholy spawns.spawns.

[[WMG: NEST will be re-established.]]

[[WMG: Harold Attinger was a member of the Order of the Witwiccans.]]
He left the order when he lost his faith in the Autobots following the [[Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon Battle of Chicago]].
-->'''Edmund:''' You've betrayed us, brother!\\
'''Harold:''' No, you've betrayed our kind, ''brother.''

[[WMG: Quintessa was the reason of Sentinel Prime's betrayal.]]
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