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** Nope, the film shows he's a villain through and through
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** Nope, the film shows he's a villain through and throughthrough.
[[WMG: The Once-ler's family deliberately sabotaged his business.]]
Why? Good ol' {{Envy}} and TallPoppySyndrome. His achievements benefitted them, but because it was ''him'', they were jealous and wanted to see him fail. Hence his mother's manipulation and the insanely self-destructive policies they pushed.
[[WMG: The Once-ler's family deliberately sabotaged his business.]]
Why? Good ol' {{Envy}} and TallPoppySyndrome. His achievements benefitted them, but because it was ''him'', they were jealous and wanted to see him fail. Hence his mother's manipulation and the insanely self-destructive policies they pushed.
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* Going with another poster, O'Hare is a relative of the Once-ler. He's ashamed of what happened, so he hides it from Thneed-ville and won't let anyone leave. If they do, they might meet the Once-ler who will tell the story and shame him out of power
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* Going with another poster, O'Hare is a relative of the Once-ler. He's ashamed of what happened, so he hides it from Thneed-ville and won't let anyone leave. If they do, they might meet the Once-ler who will tell the story and shame him out of powerpower
** Nope, the film shows he's a villain through and through
** Nope, the film shows he's a villain through and through
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* Confirmed. More events are tacked onto the book's ending.
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* [[spoiler: Jossed, the Lorax is as sadly accepting of the Once-ler's behavior as he is in the book. But unlike the book, the story does not end there...]]
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* Ted's Grandma does seem to know alot about the Once-ler.
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** Close.
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[[WNG: O'Hare will be an AntiVillain]]
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* He was never in a wheelchair, just in a chair with wheels. And the Lorax was coughing, not the Onceler. Doesn't joss this theory, though.
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* He was never in a wheelchair, just in a chair with wheels. And the Lorax was coughing, not the Onceler. Doesn't joss this theory, though.though.
[[WNG: O'Hare will be an AntiVillain]]
* Going with another poster, O'Hare is a relative of the Once-ler. He's ashamed of what happened, so he hides it from Thneed-ville and won't let anyone leave. If they do, they might meet the Once-ler who will tell the story and shame him out of power
[[WNG: O'Hare will be an AntiVillain]]
* Going with another poster, O'Hare is a relative of the Once-ler. He's ashamed of what happened, so he hides it from Thneed-ville and won't let anyone leave. If they do, they might meet the Once-ler who will tell the story and shame him out of power
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It would explain why we see his face as young guy and not as an old man, since the original purpose was to take away his humanity so he could be a symbol instead. I haven't read the book or seen the animated short in a long time so I don't remember if this already happened in them. I think the Once-ler was coughing and in wheelchair at one point in the short though, supporting the idea.
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It would explain why we see his face as young guy and not as an old man, since the original purpose was to take away his humanity so he could be a symbol instead. I haven't read the book or seen the animated short in a long time so I don't remember if this already happened in them. I think the Once-ler was coughing and in wheelchair at one point in the short though, supporting the idea.idea.
* He was never in a wheelchair, just in a chair with wheels. And the Lorax was coughing, not the Onceler. Doesn't joss this theory, though.
* He was never in a wheelchair, just in a chair with wheels. And the Lorax was coughing, not the Onceler. Doesn't joss this theory, though.
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* One trailer also shows the Lorax lifting himself into the sky as the Onceler watches.
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*The second trailer does seem to show that a chunk of the film is Ted trying to escape and plant the seed.
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[[WMG: The Once-ler founded the corrupt government seen in the second trailer.]]]
And possibly the leader is his son or one of his many many relatives (though that part's not necessary for the WMG). Oncey saw the error of his ways as an old man but the leader exiled him to stay in power and prevent people from finding out. If the leader's his relative, he disgustedly disowns the old man for going back on the things he'd ingrained in the relative as good and true.
[[WMG: The Once-ler becomes an embittered, cynical shut in disease and ravaged by the pollution he created.]]
It would explain why we see his face as young guy and not as an old man, since the original purpose was to take away his humanity so he could be a symbol instead. I haven't read the book or seen the animated short in a long time so I don't remember if this already happened in them. I think the Once-ler was coughing and in wheelchair at one point in the short though, supporting the idea.
And possibly the leader is his son or one of his many many relatives (though that part's not necessary for the WMG). Oncey saw the error of his ways as an old man but the leader exiled him to stay in power and prevent people from finding out. If the leader's his relative, he disgustedly disowns the old man for going back on the things he'd ingrained in the relative as good and true.
[[WMG: The Once-ler becomes an embittered, cynical shut in disease and ravaged by the pollution he created.]]
It would explain why we see his face as young guy and not as an old man, since the original purpose was to take away his humanity so he could be a symbol instead. I haven't read the book or seen the animated short in a long time so I don't remember if this already happened in them. I think the Once-ler was coughing and in wheelchair at one point in the short though, supporting the idea.
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** [[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to begin with.]]
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** [[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to begin with.]]
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* Truffula Tufts can be used to manufacture plenty of thneeds. Who says [[PaperThinDisguise eyebrows and facial hair aren't possible]?]]
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* Truffula Tufts can be used to manufacture plenty a wide variety of thneeds. Who says [[PaperThinDisguise eyebrows and facial hair aren't possible]?]]
possible?]]
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* Truffula Tufts can be used to manufacture plenty of thneeds. Who says [[Paper-ThinDisguise eyebrows and facial hair aren't possible]?]]
** [[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to begin with].]]
** [[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to begin with].]]
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* Truffula Tufts can be used to manufacture plenty of thneeds. Who says [[Paper-ThinDisguise [[PaperThinDisguise eyebrows and facial hair aren't possible]?]]
** [[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to beginwith].with.]]
** [[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to begin
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[[WMG: The Once-ler will be redeemed at the end of the movie]]
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[[WMG: The Once-ler will be redeemed at the end of the movie]]movie]]
[[WMG: The "Future Once-ler" is not as old as he appears.]]
*Truffula Tufts can be used to manufacture plenty of thneeds. Who says [[Paper-ThinDisguise eyebrows and facial hair aren't possible]?]]
**[[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to begin with].]]
[[WMG: The "Future Once-ler" is not as old as he appears.]]
*Truffula Tufts can be used to manufacture plenty of thneeds. Who says [[Paper-ThinDisguise eyebrows and facial hair aren't possible]?]]
**[[AgeIsRelative He already looks quite young to begin with].]]
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* The Once-ler was going to listen to the Lorax but then [[spoiler:the Lorax went and put his bed in the river causing the Once-ler to almost drown]] and the Once-ler wont care what he has to say and therefore the crapsack world.
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* The Once-ler was going to listen to the Lorax but then [[spoiler:the Lorax went and put his bed in the river causing the Once-ler to almost drown]] and the Once-ler wont care what he has to say and therefore the crapsack world.world.
[[WMG: The Once-ler will be redeemed at the end of the movie]]
[[WMG: The Once-ler will be redeemed at the end of the movie]]
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* Could explain why the mother and grandmother acted a certain way once the oncler was brought up at dinner. Bitter feelings come from the mother because he left them, but grandma always had a soft spot for him.
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* Could explain why the mother and grandmother acted a certain way once the oncler was brought up at dinner. Bitter feelings come from the mother because he left them, but grandma always had a soft spot for him.him.
[[WMG: Why the Once-ler wont care about the environment]]
* The Once-ler was going to listen to the Lorax but then [[spoiler:the Lorax went and put his bed in the river causing the Once-ler to almost drown]] and the Once-ler wont care what he has to say and therefore the crapsack world.
[[WMG: Why the Once-ler wont care about the environment]]
* The Once-ler was going to listen to the Lorax but then [[spoiler:the Lorax went and put his bed in the river causing the Once-ler to almost drown]] and the Once-ler wont care what he has to say and therefore the crapsack world.
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* this explains why there isn't a grandfather or father present in the trailer.
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* this This explains why there isn't a grandfather or father present in the trailer.trailer.
* The grey hair may rule out father, but grandfather is a possibility, unless the hair turned grey do to the stress of realizing what he did to the environment.
* Could explain why the mother and grandmother acted a certain way once the oncler was brought up at dinner. Bitter feelings come from the mother because he left them, but grandma always had a soft spot for him.
* The grey hair may rule out father, but grandfather is a possibility, unless the hair turned grey do to the stress of realizing what he did to the environment.
* Could explain why the mother and grandmother acted a certain way once the oncler was brought up at dinner. Bitter feelings come from the mother because he left them, but grandma always had a soft spot for him.
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Admit it it sounds like a good theory. Maybe the Once-ler was so ashamed at what he did he left and went into solitude. If Ted finds out this news in the film perhaps Ted would go into total shock. There could be a nightmare sequence in which Ted sees the destruction of the trees, or he could be the Once-ler in the dream and has the Lorax yell at him causing him to wake up. The film could end with the Once-ler being redeemed by his son or the Lorax telling Ted he redeemed his family by replanting the trees.
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Admit it it sounds like a good theory. Maybe the Once-ler was so ashamed at what he did he left and went into solitude. If Ted finds out this news in the film perhaps Ted would go into total shock. There could be a nightmare sequence in which Ted sees the destruction of the trees, or he could be the Once-ler in the dream and has the Lorax yell at him causing him to wake up. The film could end with the Once-ler being redeemed by his son or the Lorax telling Ted he redeemed his family by replanting the trees.trees.
*this explains why there isn't a grandfather or father present in the trailer.
*this explains why there isn't a grandfather or father present in the trailer.
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Then use his machines to go back in time to try and stop himself
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Then use his machines to go back in time to try and stop himselfhimself
[[WMG: The Once-ler is Ted's father or relative]]
They look a lot alike and this troper is not the only person on the web to think this.
Admit it it sounds like a good theory. Maybe the Once-ler was so ashamed at what he did he left and went into solitude. If Ted finds out this news in the film perhaps Ted would go into total shock. There could be a nightmare sequence in which Ted sees the destruction of the trees, or he could be the Once-ler in the dream and has the Lorax yell at him causing him to wake up. The film could end with the Once-ler being redeemed by his son or the Lorax telling Ted he redeemed his family by replanting the trees.
[[WMG: The Once-ler is Ted's father or relative]]
They look a lot alike and this troper is not the only person on the web to think this.
Admit it it sounds like a good theory. Maybe the Once-ler was so ashamed at what he did he left and went into solitude. If Ted finds out this news in the film perhaps Ted would go into total shock. There could be a nightmare sequence in which Ted sees the destruction of the trees, or he could be the Once-ler in the dream and has the Lorax yell at him causing him to wake up. The film could end with the Once-ler being redeemed by his son or the Lorax telling Ted he redeemed his family by replanting the trees.
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* That would have been cool, though.
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* Jossed. He's still human.
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[[WMG:Ted will beomce the Once-ler]]
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[[WMG:Ted will beomce become the Once-ler]]
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It would explain how Old Man Once-ler looks in the trailer.
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It would explain how Old Man Once-ler looks in the trailer.trailer.
[[WMG:Ted will beomce the Once-ler]]
Then use his machines to go back in time to try and stop himself
[[WMG:Ted will beomce the Once-ler]]
Then use his machines to go back in time to try and stop himself
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmicTransFormation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmicTransFormation [[KarmicTransformation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmicTransforMation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmicTransforMation [[KarmicTransFormation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmicTransformation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmicTransformation [[KarmicTransforMation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmaicTransformation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmaicTransformation [[KarmicTransformation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature]].]]
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[[WMG: After screwing over the forest, the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature.]]
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[[WMG: After As a punishment for screwing over the forest, [[KarmaicTransformation the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature.creature]].]]
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The Lorax leaves and in the present day, Ted is given the last Truffula seed from the Once-ler... but this time, Ted actually DOES plant the seed, and eventually, enough small trees grow to the extent that the Lorax returns with seeds elsewhere, and together, they both plant a new forest.
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The Lorax leaves and in the present day, Ted is given the last Truffula seed from the Once-ler... but this time, Ted actually DOES plant the seed, and eventually, enough small trees grow to the extent that the Lorax returns with seeds elsewhere, and together, they both plant a new forest.forest.
[[WMG: After screwing over the forest, the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature.]]
It would explain how Old Man Once-ler looks in the trailer.
[[WMG: After screwing over the forest, the Once-ler was turned into a Lorax-like creature.]]
It would explain how Old Man Once-ler looks in the trailer.