History WMG / TheHungerGames

18th May '17 8:16:30 AM tus3
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* District 12: Low and poor enough to be beneath notice, clearly the Lumpenproleteriat. The fact that the protagonist comes this place despite Marxists ussually looking down on the lumpenproleteriat suggests AnAesop towards other DirtyCommies about even degraded and degenerated elements being capable of achieving class consciousness.

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* District 12: Low and poor enough to be beneath notice, clearly the Lumpenproleteriat. The fact that the protagonist comes from this place despite Marxists ussually looking down on the lumpenproleteriat suggests AnAesop towards other DirtyCommies about even degraded and degenerated elements being capable of achieving class consciousness.consciousness.

*District 13: Plotting to overthrow the Capitol from the shadows, clearly the Professional Revolutionaries and the vanguard of the proletariat.

Lastly the assassination of President Coin at the end of the story symbolizes the necessity to the workers to prevent any Bonapartist elements from taking over after the establishment of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.
18th May '17 8:02:29 AM tus3
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District 1: Workers who have a higher standard of living then the rest of the proletariat, by virtue of the sectors they work in, and have a better relationship with the ruling classes clearly the Labor Aristocracy.

District 2: The Military Caste, as they provide the bulk of peacekeepers; they aren't a perfect analogue to the Prussian aristocratic officers as their status is below that of District 1 and they serve mostly as canon fodder but it comes close enough.

District 3: Engineers and programmers, probably the 'Bourgeois specialists'.

District 4: Fishermen, they come the closest to the Petite Bourgeois as they own their own means of production (their boats).

Districts 5,6,7 and 8: (Electricity, transportation, wood and textiles) the Proletariat.

District 9 and 11: (grain and agriculture) the Peasantry obviously.

District 12: Low and poor enough to be beneath notice, clearly the Lumpenproleteriat. The fact that the protagonist comes this place despite Marxists ussually looking down on the lumpenproleteriat suggests An Aesop towards other Dirty Commies about even degraded and degenerated elements being capable of achieving class consciousness.

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District *District 1: Workers who have a higher standard of living then the rest of the proletariat, by virtue of the sectors they work in, and have a better relationship with the ruling classes clearly the Labor Aristocracy.

District *District 2: The Military Caste, as they provide the bulk of peacekeepers; they aren't a perfect analogue to the Prussian aristocratic officers as their status is below that of District 1 and they serve mostly as canon fodder but it comes close enough.

District *District 3: Engineers and programmers, probably the 'Bourgeois specialists'.

District *District 4: Fishermen, they come the closest to the Petite Bourgeois as they own their own means of production (their boats).

Districts *Districts 5,6,7 and 8: (Electricity, transportation, wood and textiles) the Proletariat.

District *District 9 and 11: (grain and agriculture) the Peasantry obviously.

District *District 12: Low and poor enough to be beneath notice, clearly the Lumpenproleteriat. The fact that the protagonist comes this place despite Marxists ussually looking down on the lumpenproleteriat suggests An Aesop AnAesop towards other Dirty Commies DirtyCommies about even degraded and degenerated elements being capable of achieving class consciousness.
18th May '17 7:59:22 AM tus3
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District 2: The Military Caste, as they provide the bulk of peacekeepers; they aren't a perfect analogue to the Prussian aristocratic officers as their status is below that of District 1 and they serve mostly as canon fodder but it comes close enough.

District 3: Engineers and programmers, probably the 'Bourgeois specialists'.

District 4: Fishermen, they come the closest to the Petite Bourgeois as they own their own means of production (their boats).

Districts 5,6,7 and 8: (Electricity, transportation, wood and textiles) the Proletariat.

District 9 and 11: (grain and agriculture) the Peasantry obviously.

District 12: Low and poor enough to be beneath notice, clearly the Lumpenproleteriat. The fact that the protagonist comes this place despite Marxists ussually looking down on the lumpenproleteriat suggests An Aesop towards other Dirty Commies about even degraded and degenerated elements being capable of achieving class consciousness.
18th May '17 7:39:01 AM tus3
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[[WMG: The series is actually Trotskyite propaganda.]]
When thinking about conspiracy theorists shoehorning their political beliefs into literature, I noticed some similarities between the Districts and the classes from Marxist historical analysis. So I thought why not shoehorn someone-elses' political beliefs into a piece of literature.

*The capitol: a rather idle group living off the surplus labor of others', clearly the Haute Bourgeoisie or the Finance Aristocracy. The lack of people 'promoting' into the capitol indicates a metaphor for a hypothetical 'advanced' capitalism, wherein all sectors have matured into being controlled by oligopolies, which crush any attempts of new entrepreneurs into reaching the top using their massive economics of scale.

District 1: Workers who have a higher standard of living then the rest of the proletariat, by virtue of the sectors they work in, and have a better relationship with the ruling classes clearly the Labor Aristocracy.
18th May '17 6:50:45 AM tus3
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*** But, then it is located in Quebec and it was never mentioned that they speak French in District 13 (to bad actually as a francophone District 13 looks cool to me). Though it might have been resettled with Anglo-saxons by the Capitol before the Dark Days.
25th Feb '17 11:35:26 AM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Panem isn't in an alternate Earth at all, but in [[AceCombat Strangereal]]]]

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[[WMG: Panem isn't in an alternate Earth at all, but in [[AceCombat [[VideoGame/AceCombat Strangereal]]]]
10th Dec '16 5:56:57 PM Evighet
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[[WMG: Annie's mental state was not caused by the trauma she suffered in the arena.]]
Obviously she ''is'' suffering from PTSD and what she experienced during her Hunger Games made whatever underlying condition she had a whole lot worse. But the condition described in the book, including covering her ears to try and shut out the voices she's hearing, is not primarily PTSD. The majority of her mental health problems are due to something else. Perhaps the traumatic experiences triggered a dormant condition such as schizophrenia, which would make it correct by extension to attribute it to her trauma in the arena, but she would have developed her condition with or without the Hunger Games.
2nd Nov '16 3:14:51 PM RookEncounte
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** District 13 ''process'' graphite. It would make sense for it to be in New England, as it's specialty is specifically nuclear technology and innovation, and between MIT's high-energy labs, Boston's already-existence (although mostly covered) underground areas, and District 12 being the first place someone from District 13 off the edge of Panem's map would encounter, it has to be somewhere northeast, and why not New England. Also, because it would be an {{Ironic Echo}}: New England is part of an empire it dislike, so it rebels and breaks free, only to have its own problems with governing, equality, and freedom almost four score years later.
2nd Nov '16 3:03:46 PM RookEncounte
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[[WMG: There was no "Rebellion" in the Dark Days]]
So, the timeline as we know it, or rather as it is taught by the Capital
??? Years ago: Great Cataclysms
--> "the disasters, the droughts, the storms, the fires, the encroaching seas that swallowed up so much of the land, the brutal war for what little sustenance remained."
?? Years ago: Panem is formed. For some reason, the districts go to war, with the Capital (and possible each other?)
74 Years ago: The Capital is victorious, writes the Treaty of Treason, starting the Hunger Games.

What exactly, tells us that the Districts rebelled, or were under the rule of the Capital in the first place? And the Districts are far too evenly divided, along both ethnic and social lines, to be natural. Given how much other revisionist history the Capital spews, it's more than possible that some number of separate states formed, went to war with each other, and the one that was finally victorious divided up the land and the people, called itself "the Capital" and gave demands of its member states about what it wanted each to produce, moving around people en mass to divide them up into visually similar ethnic groups and reinforce their divisions, hoping that [[BatmanGambit if any District rebelled, they would have too little in common with their neighbors]] to gain the support of the majority of Districts.


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** And you think that's accidental? The founders/organizers of Panem and the districts were inhumane enough to make a spectacle out of almost two dozen children being killed every year, and canny enough to do it in a way that will mostly pit the districts against one another. Why wouldn't they divide up people into districts by pre-disaster stereotypes, reinforcing xenophobia and divisions among them?
2nd Nov '16 2:47:12 PM RookEncounte
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[[WMG: The Mutts at the end are [[Literature/MortalEngines Stalkers]]]]
Self explanatory, no?
* [[SelfExplanatory No.]]

[[WMG: The Hunger Games takes place in the same future as Mortal Engines.]]
Civilisation in America did survive the Sixty Minute War, but the rest of the world thought it was completely destroyed, which is why Panem is isolated. However, centuries after the events of The Hunger Games, Panem does wipe itself out, creating the Dead Continent.

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[[WMG: The Mutts at the end are [[Literature/MortalEngines Stalkers]]]]
Self explanatory, no?
* [[SelfExplanatory No.]]

[[WMG: The Hunger Games takes place in the same future as [[Literature/MortalEngines Mortal Engines.Engines]].]]
Civilisation Civilization in America did survive the Sixty Minute War, but the rest of the world thought it was completely destroyed, which is why Panem is isolated. However, centuries after isolated, and between District 13 and the events Capital, any large groups approaching are shot down, leaving people to believe that anyone going there dies of The Hunger Games, fallout or something similar. It could be that Panem does wipe itself out, creating is concealing the Dead Continent.
history of the Sixty Minutes War either because they have [[FutureImperfect lost the records]], or wanted to conceal their shame. District 13 has fallout shelters meant for the long term, which may have been created before Panem even formed. Also, that would explain what the rest of the world is up to.
* The fashion of [[AmazingTechnicolorPopulation coloring one's skin in fantastic shades]] is deliberately imitating the appearance of Scriven, while at the same time the slang term "Mutt" for "mutant" or "mutation" may indicate prejudice against the actual Scriven. North America may even be considered the "Dead Continent" because America specialized in biological warfare and genetics (see all the mutant species), and during the Sixty Minutes War unleashed biological weapons on the rest of the world, which could explain why President Snow believes that everyone outside Panem is dead.
* The The Mutts at the end are clearly [[Literature/MortalEngines Stalkers]], technologically reanimated corpses, which may or may not retain their original personalities, but can be programmed to hunt and kill specific people. The Mutts are just biological rather than mechanical in their reanimation, but otherwise the same principle: take a corpse, stuff it full of technology in and around it, and send it back to kill its friends/killers for psychological shock and horror value.
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