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Since watching the premiere, this troper got the idea that the arc of Killer Frost starting a life of her own will eventually lead Caitlin and Frost to become one being that shares attributes of both (a la Professor Hulk). Maybe temporarily or maybe permanently.
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WordOfGod has already confirmed that this season will have two separate story arcs, with the Crisis happening between them. Red Death was mentioned last season during Nora's backstory, and typically when a villain is mentioned in passing it's the writers foreshadowing the next Season's BigBad. With Bloodwork already confirmed as the season for the first arc, it would make sense that Red Death is being saved for the second half of the season.
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WordOfGod has already confirmed that this season will have two separate story arcs, with the Crisis happening between them. Red Death was mentioned last season during Nora's backstory, and typically when a villain is mentioned in passing it's the writers foreshadowing the next Season's BigBad. With Bloodwork already confirmed as the season villain for the first arc, it would make sense that Red Death is being saved for the second half of the season.
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WordOfGod has already confirmed that this season will have two separate story arcs, with the Crisis happening between them. Red Death was mentioned last season during Nora's backstory, and typically when a villain is mentioned in passing it's the writers foreshadowing the next Season's BigBad. With Bloodwork already confirmed as the season for the first arc, it would make sense that Red Death is being saved for the second half of the season.
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[[WMG: Nora will return]]
Except its the Nora from another Earth, something that Barry and Iris won't find out until halfway though the episode. It's bittersweet- she isn't the Nora we know, but she's happy and alive
Except its the Nora from another Earth, something that Barry and Iris won't find out until halfway though the episode. It's bittersweet- she isn't the Nora we know, but she's happy and alive
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[[WMG: The nature of Bloodwork as the initial season 6 villain]]
This is what we know from Comic-Con 2019:
** Bloodwork will be the BigBad for the first part of season 6, leading into ''Crisis''.
** His monologue suggests that he wants to eliminate death itself.
** He is said to be the most personal villain The Flash has ever faced, despite not having appeared or even been referenced six seasons in.
So, here's my guess: Bloodwork will be a MadScientist that is [[ImmortalityImmorality obsessed with finding immortality]]. Why is he so personal to Barry? It all hearkens back to one of the central themes of the series, which is about loss and grief. Barry's grief over the death of his father led to the events of season 3, including the creation of Flashpoint and then Savitar himself. It seems ripe for the series to revisit this theme with the RetGone of Nora in the season 5 finale. Barry is told that this man can work on a cure for death, meaning grief will never be felt again--and after everything he's been through, doesn't that sound incredibly tempting? And while Jay Garrick said that ''speedsters'' shouldn't be playing God when it comes to TimeTravel, who's to say this other guy can't when it comes to immortality? Essentially, these would be intense moral and philosophical questions that could potentially form the backbone of the conflict with Bloodwork, and so instead of providing a phyiscal or mental challenge for the heroes, this villain instead represents a moral one--''should'' he be stopped? That's my theory on what could potentially happen for the first half of the season, anyway. I could be completely wrong about this.
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* Not to mention, what Nora said in episode 20 may cause Barry to experience HeroicBSOD
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[[WMG: There will be a return to Earth-2]]
Thawne may travel there after learning Cisco can't "vibe" anymore and return with new henchmen such as the EvilDoppelganger of Ralph and still living versions of deceased minor villains.
Thawne may travel there after learning Cisco can't "vibe" anymore and return with new henchmen such as the EvilDoppelganger of Ralph and still living versions of deceased minor villains.
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[[WMG:The next version of Harrison Wells will be a replacement for Cisco]]
Now that Cisco is going to leave the show, the team needs a new GadgeteerGenius, possibly one with metahuman powers of his own. And since we get a new Wells every season, the next one can fulfill that role.
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[[WMG: Barry and Iris's personalities will have been fundamentally changed by the events of season 5]]
While Barry has suffered major loss before, multiple times, there is something fundamentally different about losing his ''own child''. There's no way he and Iris can reasonably be expected to go back to the status quo after this...[[NothingIsTheSameAnymore ever]]. There's no doubt that Nora being RetGone'd will be a CynicismCatalyst for both of them, and [[AngstWhatAngst it would be unreasonable to expect otherwise]].
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[[WMG: Barry and Iris's personalities will have been fundamentally changed by the events of season 5]]
While Barry has suffered major loss before, multiple times, there is something fundamentally different about losing his ''own child''. There's no way he and Iris can reasonably be expected to go back to the status quo after this...[[NothingIsTheSameAnymore ever]]. There's no doubt that Nora being RetGone'd will be a CynicismCatalyst for both of them, and [[AngstWhatAngst it would be unreasonable to expect otherwise]].
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[[WMG: Future!Grace will end up creating the "world infested by Metahumans" she was trying to prevent.]]
Killer Frost and Death Bolt (if you remember him from Season 1) are a proof of concept that there are other ways beside being hit with Dark Matter to become Metahumans. "Snow Pack" saw the new Cicada steal the cryo-atomizer that Icicle was going to use to turn Caitlyn's mother into a meta. While yes it could be repurpose, but may happen is either Future!Grace or Team Flash might do something that causes it to fulfill Icicle's original purpose: turning ordinary humans into Metahumans.
The following season could see the team with a whole new host of metas along with knowledge that there are ways to make them, something that has yet to explored on show.
Killer Frost and Death Bolt (if you remember him from Season 1) are a proof of concept that there are other ways beside being hit with Dark Matter to become Metahumans. "Snow Pack" saw the new Cicada steal the cryo-atomizer that Icicle was going to use to turn Caitlyn's mother into a meta. While yes it could be repurpose, but may happen is either Future!Grace or Team Flash might do something that causes it to fulfill Icicle's original purpose: turning ordinary humans into Metahumans.
The following season could see the team with a whole new host of metas along with knowledge that there are ways to make them, something that has yet to explored on show.
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[[WMG: The season will end with Future!Grace killing her younger self]]
As of "Snow Pack", Future!Grace has kidnapped her younger comatose self, along with the cryo-atomizer, though the exact nature of what she's planning to do isn't entirely clear. In any case, something dawned on me that has been on my mind for a long time now, and nearly came to pass in the episode "News Flash": what would happen if the GrandfatherParadox actually came to pass? They actually caused an action that negated their own existence? While ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' showed the "ball-kick paradox" to demonstrate that this wasn't possible, we've already seen that both shows have inconsistent rules of time travel, so anything is still possible. So what would happen? Much like the season one finale, it could potentially cause a RealityBreakingParadox, which could once again provide a great cliffhanger for the next season. This may even be deliberate on Future!Grace's part, as a sort of SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum.
As of "Snow Pack", Future!Grace has kidnapped her younger comatose self, along with the cryo-atomizer, though the exact nature of what she's planning to do isn't entirely clear. In any case, something dawned on me that has been on my mind for a long time now, and nearly came to pass in the episode "News Flash": what would happen if the GrandfatherParadox actually came to pass? They actually caused an action that negated their own existence? While ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' showed the "ball-kick paradox" to demonstrate that this wasn't possible, we've already seen that both shows have inconsistent rules of time travel, so anything is still possible. So what would happen? Much like the season one finale, it could potentially cause a RealityBreakingParadox, which could once again provide a great cliffhanger for the next season. This may even be deliberate on Future!Grace's part, as a sort of SuicidalCosmicTemperTantrum.
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XS. He is just a random guy named August Heart, as it is with his identity in the comics.
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[[WMG: By the end of this season, Thawne will be killed once and for all]]
With Barry and so many of the other characters coming as far as they have, it would make sense thematically for Thawne to die and not come back. It has been said that the CW wants move on to a "new generation" for the ''Arrowverse'', which would also justify Thawne's permanent departure, since it means he wouldn't be lingering in the background for new headlining heroes after ''The Flash'' is eventually ended as an ongoing series.
With Barry and so many of the other characters coming as far as they have, it would make sense thematically for Thawne to die and not come back. It has been said that the CW wants move on to a "new generation" for the ''Arrowverse'', which would also justify Thawne's permanent departure, since it means he wouldn't be lingering in the background for new headlining heroes after ''The Flash'' is eventually ended as an ongoing series.
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[[WMG: Thawne is TheManBehindTheMan to Grace]]
We know Grace used Thawne's somehow-repaired time sphere to travel from the future back into the past to menace Team Flash. What we don't know is ''how'' this happened. It makes sense, to tie the various disparate plot threads together, if Thawne was behind the whole thing, and he was feigning ignorance to Nora when she asked him why a new threat was emerging as Orlin was being defeated.
[[WMG: Thawne becomes Godspeed]]
As of typing this, the next episode to air is called "Godspeed", and we know from set photos that the villain himself appears. However, neither the trailer nor the official synopsis seems to indicate this, with both merely suggesting a natural extension of the plot we know up until now. How can they suddenly bring in another major speedster when there's already so much going on in the plot as it is? It has to all tie together in some way. Perhaps, related to the above theory of secretly manipulating Grace, this is all an elaborate plan by Thawne to become more powerful than ever before, becoming Godspeed. As it currently stands, no actor is given for the role of the character.
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We know Grace used Thawne's somehow-repaired time sphere to travel from the future back into the past to menace Team Flash. What we don't know is ''how'' this happened. It makes sense, to tie the various disparate plot threads together, if Thawne was behind the whole thing, and he was feigning ignorance to Nora when she asked him why a new threat was emerging as Orlin was being defeated.
[[WMG: Thawne becomes Godspeed]]
As of typing this, the next episode to air is called "Godspeed", and we know from set photos that the villain himself appears. However, neither the trailer nor the official synopsis seems to indicate this, with both merely suggesting a natural extension of the plot we know up until now. How can they suddenly bring in another major speedster when there's already so much going on in the plot as it is? It has to all tie together in some way. Perhaps, related to the above theory of secretly manipulating Grace, this is all an elaborate plan by Thawne to become more powerful than ever before, becoming Godspeed. As it currently stands, no actor is given for the role of the character.
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[[WMG: Thawne actually ''has'' reformed]]
We know he's at least pretending to have reformed to Nora and we're assuming he's faking it but let's be honest, wouldn't it be a bigger twist that he really ''has'' seen the error of his ways and reformed, and genuinely is trying to save Barry, possibly in an attempt to at least in some way partially redeem himself.
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[[WMG: Orlin will perform a HeroicSacrifice to stop [[spoiler: Cicada!Grace]] ]]
[[spoiler: Orlin Dwyer already seemed to believe himself to be a necessary evil, based on his comments that he would also kill himself after killing the rest of the metas to make a safer world for Grace. With the appearance of Cicada!Grace, coupled with Barry's earlier speech to him about his legacy, he'll see that all he really wound up doing was setting someone he loved on the same dark path as him, and he'll resolve to stop her. Having been already given the cure, he'll be [[CurbStompBattle curbstomped]], but the shock of him dying will be enough to either snap Grace off her current path or give Team Flash enough time to give her the cure, erasing her future self from the timeline.]]
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[[WMG: Cisco, Caitlin and Ralph's future children will appear]]
Be honest, just because Cisco is probably leaving next season and Ralph and Caitlin have separate, disastrous love lives, doesn't mean they can't have children in the future whose friends with Nora. In fact Nora never mentioned ever having friends, only mentioning that she knows Barry's team. And if they have powers like Nora and we're dampened for particular reasons, one could imagine they're having a slightly better time handling the revelation than Nora. Perhaps they'll leap back in time looking for Nora and stopping her from making a bigger mess of time.
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Because the heroes end up losing to Cicada, the Young Rogues get convinced to work with Team Flash as they have meta-tech and not dark matter. Of course, directly paralleling to Rogue Air, things don't work out as the heroes planned
Because the heroes end up losing to Cicada, the Young Rogues get convinced to work with Team Flash as they have meta-tech and not dark matter. Of course, directly paralleling to Rogue Air, things don't work out as the heroes planned
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[[WMG: Cisco's cure will be AllForNothing]]
The cure he's creating ultimately ends up being for nothing two different potential reasons.
* It ends up revealing to be connected to Cicada. It could reveal each kill makes him stronger because he absorbs the dark matter in a person. So when Cisco uses the antidote, he's inadvertently making Cicada stronger because it was made with the shards of his dagger.
* Someone who acts as a sort of cleanup crew for the timeline changes Nora causes will effectively use a device to undo the cure, stating there never was one in history and warns Cisco with death not to even attempt to remake it.
The cure he's creating ultimately ends up being for nothing two different potential reasons.
* It ends up revealing to be connected to Cicada. It could reveal each kill makes him stronger because he absorbs the dark matter in a person. So when Cisco uses the antidote, he's inadvertently making Cicada stronger because it was made with the shards of his dagger.
* Someone who acts as a sort of cleanup crew for the timeline changes Nora causes will effectively use a device to undo the cure, stating there never was one in history and warns Cisco with death not to even attempt to remake it.
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[[WMG: Thawne is using Nora and lying to her.]]
* It's what he does. He gets people to trust him and the whole time he's got his own plan that they are unaware of, until he betrays them and gloats about how he used them to get what he wanted and they didn't have a clue. In this case, he's tricked Nora into thinking he just wants to help her prevent her father's disappearance but he's actually manipulating her into altering the past to avoid his own imminent death, signified by the countdown with about 51 minutes remaining, and get him out of that cell, maybe even make it so he was never in the cell to begin with.
* It's what he does. He gets people to trust him and the whole time he's got his own plan that they are unaware of, until he betrays them and gloats about how he used them to get what he wanted and they didn't have a clue. In this case, he's tricked Nora into thinking he just wants to help her prevent her father's disappearance but he's actually manipulating her into altering the past to avoid his own imminent death, signified by the countdown with about 51 minutes remaining, and get him out of that cell, maybe even make it so he was never in the cell to begin with.
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Gideon gets cut off while saying that Nora is "the fifth recruit for the rebooted Legion of--". We ''assume'' that she's going to say "Super-Heroes" but given that Nora is colluding with Thawne, that sentence could just as easily have ended "Doom".
Gideon gets cut off while saying that Nora is "the fifth recruit for the rebooted Legion of--". We ''assume'' that she's going to say "Super-Heroes" but given that Nora is colluding with Thawne, that sentence could just as easily have ended "Doom".
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* A magic season- Magic using villains start arriving in Central City and Team Flash will be taken completely by surprise because this is ''very'' out of their wheelhouse. The BigBad will be Cobalt Blue who has his comic backstory and wants to get revenge on Barry for "stealing" the life he believes should be his.
** Heroes that could appear- Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Wonder Woman, Aquaman. John Constantine could appear here to lend on and off help.
** Villains that could appear- Cheetah, Black Manta, Enchantress, El Diablo, Jinx, Double Down who has gotten a mystical upgrade, Brother Grimm.
* A cosmic season- More cosmic characters appear and warn of an encroaching threat from the stars.
** A Green Lantern focused season where Hal Jordan appears on Earth in search of the Emotional Entities of the Spectrum that empower ring wielders. Or power rings of various colors have arrived on Earth for unknown reasons and Hal has to track them down.
*** Heroes that could appear- Guy Gardner, Kilowog, The Guardians of the Universe, Saint Walker, Carol Ferris who becomes a Star Sapphire.
*** Villains that could appear- Sinestro, Krona, Atrocitus, Larfleeze, The Sinestro Corps.
** A New Gods focused season that has Mister Miracle and Big Barda appear to warn about Darkseid approaching Earth.
* An espionage focused season- This will follow up on General Eiling's work from Season One in capturing metahumans. The team will have to track down metas to save them from Eiling while fighting a team that he has already put together.
** Heroes that could appear- Captain Atom, a new Firestorm made up of Jason Rusch and Gehenna, Plastique who was resurrected by Barry's time travelling, Rick Flag who is working with the team under orders from Lyta.
** Villains that could appear- Negative Woman
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* A magic season- Magic using villains start arriving in Central City and Team Flash will be taken completely by surprise because this is ''very'' out of their wheelhouse. The BigBad will be Cobalt Blue who has his comic backstory and wants to get revenge on Barry for "stealing" the life he believes should be his.
** Heroes that could appear- Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Wonder Woman, Aquaman. John Constantine could appear here to lend on and off help.
** Villains that could appear- Cheetah, Black Manta, Enchantress, El Diablo, Jinx, Double Down who has gotten a mystical upgrade, Brother Grimm.
* A cosmic season- More cosmic characters appear and warn of an encroaching threat from the stars.
** A Green Lantern focused season where Hal Jordan appears on Earth in search of the Emotional Entities of the Spectrum that empower ring wielders. Or power rings of various colors have arrived on Earth for unknown reasons and Hal has to track them down.
*** Heroes that could appear- Guy Gardner, Kilowog, The Guardians of the Universe, Saint Walker, Carol Ferris who becomes a Star Sapphire.
*** Villains that could appear- Sinestro, Krona, Atrocitus, Larfleeze, The Sinestro Corps.
** A New Gods focused season that has Mister Miracle and Big Barda appear to warn about Darkseid approaching Earth.
* An espionage focused season- This will follow up on General Eiling's work from Season One in capturing metahumans. The team will have to track down metas to save them from Eiling while fighting a team that he has already put together.
** Heroes that could appear- Captain Atom, a new Firestorm made up of Jason Rusch and Gehenna, Plastique who was resurrected by Barry's time travelling, Rick Flag who is working with the team under orders from Lyta.
** Villains that could appear- Negative Woman
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Consisting of herself, Mirror Master, and Weather Wizard.
[[WMG: Tess Morgan will be back.]]
If [[spoiler:the real Harrison Wells was never killed by Eobard Thawne in whatever new timeline emerges in season 2]] (as per the [=WMGs=] above) then neither was Tess.
[[WMG: Eddie will return as a combination of Cobalt Blue, Pollux and Daniel West]]
The Eddie we get back will be a clone but his genetic structure was bonded to the cobalt and he'll be able to achieve a blue variant of Daniel West's Reverse Flash form.
[[WMG: Caitlyn will be revealed to have a twin sister named Crystal Frost who will have some of Malcolm Thawne's origin story.]]
...What are you waiting for? How clear does that have to be?
[[WMG: It will be revealed that Nora died early in the original timeline as well but Eobard's interference made it happen sooner.]]
Hence why [[spoiler: Alternate Future Barry told Younger Present Barry now to stop it from happening.]] Constants and Variables and all that.
[[WMG: The new rebooted universe will be mostly the same as the one we saw so far with some minor differences]]
* Nora's death was no longer tied to the Reverse Flash but a random burglar. Henry is still in jail.
* Wells and Tess still had a car accident, leaving Wells paralyzed though Tess survived.
* The particle accelerator was built earlier maybe because Wells thought it could unlock a way to restore his legs. Tess dies as a result.(Finding out about Barry's ability to time travel will lead to Wells becoming a Hunter Zolomon type character.)
** All seemingly Jossed as it appears nothing significant has changed despite Eobard's erasure
[[WMG: The Arrow will appear but it will be Robert Queen rather than Oliver.]]
Similar to ''{{Comicbook/Flashpoint}}'', in which Batman was Thomas Wayne rather than Bruce Wayne, who was killed by the mugger instead.
[[WMG: "Wendy" will be a Patty Spivot Expy.]]
If Barry is set to get his own Felicity, then why not go for the blonde, glasses-wearing intelligent LoveInterest he has in the comics (specifically New 52 range)? Wendy is stated to work for CCPD and Patty worked for them in the comics alongside Barry.
* And it seems I was right! Flash details at Comic-Con 2015 confirms it, with Wendy now supposedly actually being Patty Spivot herself with the name and all.
[[WMG: Eddie will be [[spoiler:Zoom]]]]
[[spoiler: Eddie will be a combination of Hunter Zolomon's Zoom and Malcolm Thawne's Cobalt Blue. Hence why the shots of Zoom in the teaser had blue lightning. It's because of Eddie's connection to the blue singularity, combined with the cobalt time capsule. And he'll carry Hunter's resentment about the Flash not saving him.]]
[[WMG: The ''actual'' BigBad, or at least the FinalBoss, will be Killer Frost.]]
The Comic-Con previews have already announced that Zoom will be the main antagonist of season 2, and he will be introduced outright. However, in a 23-episode season, it is unlikely they will stick with the most obvious villain for the entire run especially given that, for a second season, they can shake up the formula more. Thus, to avoid once again having a speedster as the main antagonist, he will merely be a DiscOneFinalBoss, possibly dispatched as early as the mid-season finale. Once again, the show will follow a similar formula to Arrow's second season, in that [[spoiler: it will introduce an obvious BigBad early on only for the ''real'' BigBad to be a [[EvilFormerFriend former ally]] that was introduced in the first season.]] We already know that Caitlin will become Killer Frost this season, and given the emotional weight of this, it will not merely be a VillainOfTheWeek, but something much greater. Similar to [[spoiler: Willow]] in season 6 of Buffy, making a former core team member the BigBad would be incredibly emotional, and a stark contrast to the first season's BigBad (who was ''also'' part of the core team, but secretly EvilAllAlong and not a tragic character in the least).
[[WMG: Blue Lightning Flash is Blue Lantern Flash from ComicBook/BlackestNight]]
Which means that black hole at the end of season one is worse than they thought.
Consisting of herself, Mirror Master, and Weather Wizard.
[[WMG: Tess Morgan will be back.]]
If [[spoiler:the real Harrison Wells was never killed by Eobard Thawne in whatever new timeline emerges in season 2]] (as per the [=WMGs=] above) then neither was Tess.
[[WMG: Eddie will return as a combination of Cobalt Blue, Pollux and Daniel West]]
The Eddie we get back will be a clone but his genetic structure was bonded to the cobalt and he'll be able to achieve a blue variant of Daniel West's Reverse Flash form.
[[WMG: Caitlyn will be revealed to have a twin sister named Crystal Frost who will have some of Malcolm Thawne's origin story.]]
...What are you waiting for? How clear does that have to be?
[[WMG: It will be revealed that Nora died early in the original timeline as well but Eobard's interference made it happen sooner.]]
Hence why [[spoiler: Alternate Future Barry told Younger Present Barry now to stop it from happening.]] Constants and Variables and all that.
[[WMG: The new rebooted universe will be mostly the same as the one we saw so far with some minor differences]]
* Nora's death was no longer tied to the Reverse Flash but a random burglar. Henry is still in jail.
* Wells and Tess still had a car accident, leaving Wells paralyzed though Tess survived.
* The particle accelerator was built earlier maybe because Wells thought it could unlock a way to restore his legs. Tess dies as a result.(Finding out about Barry's ability to time travel will lead to Wells becoming a Hunter Zolomon type character.)
** All seemingly Jossed as it appears nothing significant has changed despite Eobard's erasure
[[WMG: The Arrow will appear but it will be Robert Queen rather than Oliver.]]
Similar to ''{{Comicbook/Flashpoint}}'', in which Batman was Thomas Wayne rather than Bruce Wayne, who was killed by the mugger instead.
[[WMG: "Wendy" will be a Patty Spivot Expy.]]
If Barry is set to get his own Felicity, then why not go for the blonde, glasses-wearing intelligent LoveInterest he has in the comics (specifically New 52 range)? Wendy is stated to work for CCPD and Patty worked for them in the comics alongside Barry.
* And it seems I was right! Flash details at Comic-Con 2015 confirms it, with Wendy now supposedly actually being Patty Spivot herself with the name and all.
[[WMG: Eddie will be [[spoiler:Zoom]]]]
[[spoiler: Eddie will be a combination of Hunter Zolomon's Zoom and Malcolm Thawne's Cobalt Blue. Hence why the shots of Zoom in the teaser had blue lightning. It's because of Eddie's connection to the blue singularity, combined with the cobalt time capsule. And he'll carry Hunter's resentment about the Flash not saving him.]]
[[WMG: The ''actual'' BigBad, or at least the FinalBoss, will be Killer Frost.]]
The Comic-Con previews have already announced that Zoom will be the main antagonist of season 2, and he will be introduced outright. However, in a 23-episode season, it is unlikely they will stick with the most obvious villain for the entire run especially given that, for a second season, they can shake up the formula more. Thus, to avoid once again having a speedster as the main antagonist, he will merely be a DiscOneFinalBoss, possibly dispatched as early as the mid-season finale. Once again, the show will follow a similar formula to Arrow's second season, in that [[spoiler: it will introduce an obvious BigBad early on only for the ''real'' BigBad to be a [[EvilFormerFriend former ally]] that was introduced in the first season.]] We already know that Caitlin will become Killer Frost this season, and given the emotional weight of this, it will not merely be a VillainOfTheWeek, but something much greater. Similar to [[spoiler: Willow]] in season 6 of Buffy, making a former core team member the BigBad would be incredibly emotional, and a stark contrast to the first season's BigBad (who was ''also'' part of the core team, but secretly EvilAllAlong and not a tragic character in the least).
[[WMG: Blue Lightning Flash is Blue Lantern Flash from ComicBook/BlackestNight]]
Which means that black hole at the end of season one is worse than they thought.
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[[WMG: The Flash Family will be officially formed.]]
* Violet Beane (Jesse's actress) has confirmed she's coming back at some point this season, and promotional photos of Wally wearing the Kid Flash suit have been released, meaning he's going to be a speedster too.
* [[spoiler:Since Henry was killed by Zoom and the real Jay Garrick is his Earth 3 doppelganger, it would make sense if Jay came back to help Barry through his grief, and to finally give the Golden Age Flash a proper debut and flesh out his character.]]
* Violet Beane (Jesse's actress) has confirmed she's coming back at some point this season, and promotional photos of Wally wearing the Kid Flash suit have been released, meaning he's going to be a speedster too.
* [[spoiler:Since Henry was killed by Zoom and the real Jay Garrick is his Earth 3 doppelganger, it would make sense if Jay came back to help Barry through his grief, and to finally give the Golden Age Flash a proper debut and flesh out his character.]]
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[[WMG: Barry will return to Flashpoint to stop something caused by Alchemy, which will result in a more CrapsackWorld that is a bit closer to the comic event]]
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[[WMG: HR is his universe's Dr. Light]]
Heard on Reddit, don't really know if the comic version of the character uses this, but the guess is HR's drum stick is actually Dr. Light's wand.
Heard on Reddit, don't really know if the comic version of the character uses this, but the guess is HR's drum stick is actually Dr. Light's wand.
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Heard on Reddit, don't really know if the comic version of the character uses this, but the guess is HR's drum stick is actually Dr. Light's wand.
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[[WMG: Wally or Barry will pull a HeroicSacrifice to trap Savitar in the Speed Force.]]
The prophecy states "one of them will suffer a fate worse than death", being trapped alone, in a space without time, with your worst enemy? AndIMustScream.
* Wally getting stuck in the Speed Force is actually a plot point in the current ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' line in the comics.
[[WMG: Caitlin will [[GoodAllAlong fake]] FaceHeelTurn to infiltrate Savitar's forces.]]
The prophecy states "The one who will betray," to twist the prophecy to Team Flash's favour, and ScrewDestiny.
The prophecy states "one of them will suffer a fate worse than death", being trapped alone, in a space without time, with your worst enemy? AndIMustScream.
* Wally getting stuck in the Speed Force is actually a plot point in the current ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' line in the comics.
[[WMG: Caitlin will [[GoodAllAlong fake]] FaceHeelTurn to infiltrate Savitar's forces.]]
The prophecy states "The one who will betray," to twist the prophecy to Team Flash's favour, and ScrewDestiny.
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The prophecy states "one of them will suffer a fate worse than death", being trapped alone, in a space without time, with your worst enemy? AndIMustScream.
* Wally getting stuck in the Speed Force is actually a plot point in the current ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' line in the comics.
[[WMG: Caitlin will [[GoodAllAlong fake]] FaceHeelTurn to infiltrate Savitar's forces.]]
The prophecy states "The one who will betray," to twist the prophecy to Team Flash's favour, and ScrewDestiny.
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[[WMG: Earth-2's Version of Eddie will show up as Cobalt Blue]]
Both Rick Cosnet and Robbie Amell have been confirmed to appear in upcoming episodes. Given that Eddie was a counter part of Malcom, and we never once saw his Earth-2's doppleganger, it seems rather likely that Eddie will have an Earth-2 evil twin much like Cisco, Caitlin, Ronnie, Dante and Laurel.
* Almost certainly Jossed; Eddie was a Speed Force projection.
[[WMG: Savitar is a future version of HR]]
* This is a little off the wall, but stay with me. In "The Wrath of Savitar", Savitar says that Barry was there when Savitar became who he is, implying that Barry will be a witness to the origin of Savitar. Savitar makes several comments that imply a personal grievance beyond just trapping him in the Speed Force (example: he becomes noticeably angrier when he calls Wally "another victim that Barry Allen failed to save"). That line could imply that he hates Barry for failing to save someone he cared about it. Now imagine this scenario: At some point in the future, Team Flash pays a visit to Earth-19 and someone close to HR (perhaps Randolph Morgan) dies. Blaming Team Flash for their failure to save him, HR somehow acquires the Philosopher's Stone and uses it to give himself speed powers and seek revenge. However, this does contradict Jay Garrick's earlier statements about Savitar being one of the oldest speedsters, but perhaps it's a LegacyCharacter situation. After all, HR could easily have taken inspiration from the story of the first Savitar.
** Some other fans noticed that Savitar called Wally "Wallace" (which HR does also) and that both of them have a penchant for classical mythological references.
** [[http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/03/08/the-flash-is-hr-wells-a-villain-our-new-savitar-theory Jesse Schedeen of IGN would agree that this theory holds weight,]] for the reasons listed mentioned above plus the trend of having the BigBad of the previous seasons be someone close to Barry.
** There is also a precedent for a Wells being a villain (though in that case it was due to impersonation) and the previous two {{Big Bad}}s were not only close to Barry, they were his [[EvilMentor mentors]].
* Jossed
Both Rick Cosnet and Robbie Amell have been confirmed to appear in upcoming episodes. Given that Eddie was a counter part of Malcom, and we never once saw his Earth-2's doppleganger, it seems rather likely that Eddie will have an Earth-2 evil twin much like Cisco, Caitlin, Ronnie, Dante and Laurel.
* Almost certainly Jossed; Eddie was a Speed Force projection.
[[WMG: Savitar is a future version of HR]]
* This is a little off the wall, but stay with me. In "The Wrath of Savitar", Savitar says that Barry was there when Savitar became who he is, implying that Barry will be a witness to the origin of Savitar. Savitar makes several comments that imply a personal grievance beyond just trapping him in the Speed Force (example: he becomes noticeably angrier when he calls Wally "another victim that Barry Allen failed to save"). That line could imply that he hates Barry for failing to save someone he cared about it. Now imagine this scenario: At some point in the future, Team Flash pays a visit to Earth-19 and someone close to HR (perhaps Randolph Morgan) dies. Blaming Team Flash for their failure to save him, HR somehow acquires the Philosopher's Stone and uses it to give himself speed powers and seek revenge. However, this does contradict Jay Garrick's earlier statements about Savitar being one of the oldest speedsters, but perhaps it's a LegacyCharacter situation. After all, HR could easily have taken inspiration from the story of the first Savitar.
** Some other fans noticed that Savitar called Wally "Wallace" (which HR does also) and that both of them have a penchant for classical mythological references.
** [[http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/03/08/the-flash-is-hr-wells-a-villain-our-new-savitar-theory Jesse Schedeen of IGN would agree that this theory holds weight,]] for the reasons listed mentioned above plus the trend of having the BigBad of the previous seasons be someone close to Barry.
** There is also a precedent for a Wells being a villain (though in that case it was due to impersonation) and the previous two {{Big Bad}}s were not only close to Barry, they were his [[EvilMentor mentors]].
* Jossed
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Both Rick Cosnet and Robbie Amell have been confirmed to appear in upcoming episodes. Given that Eddie was a counter part of Malcom, and we never once saw his Earth-2's doppleganger, it seems rather likely that Eddie will have an Earth-2 evil twin much like Cisco, Caitlin, Ronnie, Dante and Laurel.
* Almost certainly Jossed; Eddie was a Speed Force projection.
[[WMG: Savitar is a future version of HR]]
* This is a little off the wall, but stay with me. In "The Wrath of Savitar", Savitar says that Barry was there when Savitar became who he is, implying that Barry will be a witness to the origin of Savitar. Savitar makes several comments that imply a personal grievance beyond just trapping him in the Speed Force (example: he becomes noticeably angrier when he calls Wally "another victim that Barry Allen failed to save"). That line could imply that he hates Barry for failing to save someone he cared about it. Now imagine this scenario: At some point in the future, Team Flash pays a visit to Earth-19 and someone close to HR (perhaps Randolph Morgan) dies. Blaming Team Flash for their failure to save him, HR somehow acquires the Philosopher's Stone and uses it to give himself speed powers and seek revenge. However, this does contradict Jay Garrick's earlier statements about Savitar being one of the oldest speedsters, but perhaps it's a LegacyCharacter situation. After all, HR could easily have taken inspiration from the story of the first Savitar.
** Some other fans noticed that Savitar called Wally "Wallace" (which HR does also) and that both of them have a penchant for classical mythological references.
** [[http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/03/08/the-flash-is-hr-wells-a-villain-our-new-savitar-theory Jesse Schedeen of IGN would agree that this theory holds weight,]] for the reasons listed mentioned above plus the trend of having the BigBad of the previous seasons be someone close to Barry.
** There is also a precedent for a Wells being a villain (though in that case it was due to impersonation) and the previous two {{Big Bad}}s were not only close to Barry, they were his [[EvilMentor mentors]].
* Jossed
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[[WMG: Both Jay Garrick and Savitar are a version of Barry's father.]]
Or perhaps more than one version, that a future Barry accidentally granted speed during Reverse-Flash's attack, actually making him the first speedster, explaining the incredibly unlikely coincidence that Barry's alternate father would be granted speed. Furthermore, every doppleganger so far has had the exact same name as their other version, which was a major point of the reveal in Season 2 with both being named Hunter Zolomon. Thus, Barry's father, who was killed by Zoom because Barry was "weak" could be the one Barry "destroyed," trying to destroy Barry, not to get revenge, but to "fix" him in some twisted way by putting him through everyone around him dying. So "Jay Garrick" might be a fake name that Barry's father adopted. Why? In The Flash comic books, the Earth-2's Flash's comic appeared in the first issue, indicating that the Golden Age comics' existence was canon, and so "Jay Garrick" could have gotten his fake name from a comic book.
Or perhaps more than one version, that a future Barry accidentally granted speed during Reverse-Flash's attack, actually making him the first speedster, explaining the incredibly unlikely coincidence that Barry's alternate father would be granted speed. Furthermore, every doppleganger so far has had the exact same name as their other version, which was a major point of the reveal in Season 2 with both being named Hunter Zolomon. Thus, Barry's father, who was killed by Zoom because Barry was "weak" could be the one Barry "destroyed," trying to destroy Barry, not to get revenge, but to "fix" him in some twisted way by putting him through everyone around him dying. So "Jay Garrick" might be a fake name that Barry's father adopted. Why? In The Flash comic books, the Earth-2's Flash's comic appeared in the first issue, indicating that the Golden Age comics' existence was canon, and so "Jay Garrick" could have gotten his fake name from a comic book.
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[[WMG: Both Jay Garrick and Savitar are a Instead of becoming Killer Frost, Caitlin will become the Arrowverse version of Barry's father.Ice.]]
Or perhaps Instead of becoming a villain, she'll find a way to get rid of the Frost persona and use her powers for good.
** I was thinking something like this as well. Like, maybe Cisco vibes Killer Frost and ultimately there's a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind whereby Caitlin faces off against her evil self and wins, ultimately restoring the old Caitlin Snow personality ''and'' now letting her use her powers willy-nilly with no morethan one version, fear of becoming evil.
* [[spoiler: The season 3 finale suggests that she no longer wishes to go by either "Caitlin" ''or'' "Killer Frost", suggesting this may be a possibility]].
* Jossed she doesn't go by Ice and she didn't do an name change from Caitlin to Crystal. Also she kind learned how to accept Killer Frost.
[[WMG: Iris Is Savitar]]
When Savitar unmasked in the most recent episode, the person inside had dark skin & tied-back black hair.
* If Savitar is a futureBarry accidentally granted speed during Reverse-Flash's attack, actually making him version of Iris, then wouldn't killing her past self cause a time paradox? On the first speedster, explaining other hand, this show and ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' never really seems to give a shit about causality or logic when it comes to time travel, so the incredibly unlikely coincidence that Barry's alternate father would be granted speed. Furthermore, every doppleganger so far has had the exact same name as writers could theoretically pull anything out of their other version, which was a major point of asses. [[AWizardDidIt And maybe the reveal in Season 2 with both being named Hunter Zolomon. Thus, Barry's father, who was killed by Zoom because Barry was "weak" could be the one Barry "destroyed," trying to destroy Barry, not to get revenge, but to "fix" him in some twisted way by putting him through everyone around him dying. So "Jay Garrick" might be a fake name that Barry's father adopted. Why? In The Flash comic books, the Earth-2's Flash's comic appeared in the first issue, indicating that the Golden Age comics' existence was canon, and so "Jay Garrick" could have gotten his fake name from a comic book.Speed Force protects against these paradoxes or something?]]
** I was thinking something like this as well. Like, maybe Cisco vibes Killer Frost and ultimately there's a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind whereby Caitlin faces off against her evil self and wins, ultimately restoring the old Caitlin Snow personality ''and'' now letting her use her powers willy-nilly with no more
* [[spoiler: The season 3 finale suggests that she no longer wishes to go by either "Caitlin" ''or'' "Killer Frost", suggesting this may be a possibility]].
* Jossed she doesn't go by Ice and she didn't do an name change from Caitlin to Crystal. Also she kind learned how to accept Killer Frost.
[[WMG: Iris Is Savitar]]
When Savitar unmasked in the most recent episode, the person inside had dark skin & tied-back black hair.
* If Savitar is a future
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[[WMG: Savitar is Bart Allen.]]
In this universe, Bart is a villain who for some reason hated Barry and was faster than him to a dangerous degree. At some point in the future, Barry pushed him into the past to imprison him, hoping the trip to the past would remove his powers. Unfortunately, Bart regains his powers and tries to return to the future, only to be imprisoned once again by Barry. Pissed off, Bart wants to ruin Barry's life by killing Iris, knowing that it would kill him as a result of killing his grandmother, but in his deranged mind, he thinks it's worth it.
Probably not gonna happen but it would be cool/horrifying.
* Jossed
[[WMG: Savitar's identity will indeed be revealed at the end of Abra Kadabra]]
The episode teases the appearance of Abra Kadabra, a man from the 64th century who knows the identity of Savitar, because it's part of history for him--it's analogous to people in the present-day studying Ancient Egyptian rulers. The premise of the episodes teases the titular villain hovering that knowledge in front of Barry. The question is--will the end of the episode do a cop-out and make us wait even longer? I'm guessing not, because the show goes on hiatus for four weeks following this episode, so they'll probably try to leave on a high note, much like when Zoom's identity was revealed at the end of "King Shark" before going on hiatus for awhile. This season has already been on fairly rocky quality, and it would leave a really bad taste in the viewers' mouths if they had an episode that teased Savitar's identity, [[AntiClimax only to not reveal it in the end]], before going away for four weeks. Hopefully the writers are smart enough to avoid a situation like that. In fact, unlike in the episode "King Shark", "Abra Kadabra" may even be in a way a DoubleMeaningTitle--referring both to the titular antagonist and to the way that a magical illusion has finally been shattered, so to speak.
** [[spoiler: Nope! They're really dragging this thing out, huh?]]
[[WMG: Instead of becoming Killer Frost, Caitlin will become the Arrowverse version of Ice.]]
Instead of becoming a villain, she'll find a way to get rid of the Frost persona and use her powers for good.
** I was thinking something like this as well. Like, maybe Cisco vibes Killer Frost and ultimately there's a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind whereby Caitlin faces off against her evil self and wins, ultimately restoring the old Caitlin Snow personality ''and'' now letting her use her powers willy-nilly with no more fear of becoming evil.
* [[spoiler: The season 3 finale suggests that she no longer wishes to go by either "Caitlin" ''or'' "Killer Frost", suggesting this may be a possibility]].
* Jossed she doesn't go by Ice and she didn't do an name change from Caitlin to Crystal. Also she kind learned how to accept Killer Frost.
[[WMG: Iris Is Savitar]]
When Savitar unmasked in the most recent episode, the person inside had dark skin & tied-back black hair.
* If Savitar is a future version of Iris, then wouldn't killing her past self cause a time paradox? On the other hand, this show and ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' never really seems to give a shit about causality or logic when it comes to time travel, so the writers could theoretically pull anything out of their asses. [[AWizardDidIt And maybe the Speed Force protects against these paradoxes or something?]]
* Jossed
In this universe, Bart is a villain who for some reason hated Barry and was faster than him to a dangerous degree. At some point in the future, Barry pushed him into the past to imprison him, hoping the trip to the past would remove his powers. Unfortunately, Bart regains his powers and tries to return to the future, only to be imprisoned once again by Barry. Pissed off, Bart wants to ruin Barry's life by killing Iris, knowing that it would kill him as a result of killing his grandmother, but in his deranged mind, he thinks it's worth it.
Probably not gonna happen but it would be cool/horrifying.
* Jossed
[[WMG: Savitar's identity will indeed be revealed at the end of Abra Kadabra]]
The episode teases the appearance of Abra Kadabra, a man from the 64th century who knows the identity of Savitar, because it's part of history for him--it's analogous to people in the present-day studying Ancient Egyptian rulers. The premise of the episodes teases the titular villain hovering that knowledge in front of Barry. The question is--will the end of the episode do a cop-out and make us wait even longer? I'm guessing not, because the show goes on hiatus for four weeks following this episode, so they'll probably try to leave on a high note, much like when Zoom's identity was revealed at the end of "King Shark" before going on hiatus for awhile. This season has already been on fairly rocky quality, and it would leave a really bad taste in the viewers' mouths if they had an episode that teased Savitar's identity, [[AntiClimax only to not reveal it in the end]], before going away for four weeks. Hopefully the writers are smart enough to avoid a situation like that. In fact, unlike in the episode "King Shark", "Abra Kadabra" may even be in a way a DoubleMeaningTitle--referring both to the titular antagonist and to the way that a magical illusion has finally been shattered, so to speak.
** [[spoiler: Nope! They're really dragging this thing out, huh?]]
[[WMG: Instead of becoming Killer Frost, Caitlin will become the Arrowverse version of Ice.]]
Instead of becoming a villain, she'll find a way to get rid of the Frost persona and use her powers for good.
** I was thinking something like this as well. Like, maybe Cisco vibes Killer Frost and ultimately there's a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind whereby Caitlin faces off against her evil self and wins, ultimately restoring the old Caitlin Snow personality ''and'' now letting her use her powers willy-nilly with no more fear of becoming evil.
* [[spoiler: The season 3 finale suggests that she no longer wishes to go by either "Caitlin" ''or'' "Killer Frost", suggesting this may be a possibility]].
* Jossed she doesn't go by Ice and she didn't do an name change from Caitlin to Crystal. Also she kind learned how to accept Killer Frost.
[[WMG: Iris Is Savitar]]
When Savitar unmasked in the most recent episode, the person inside had dark skin & tied-back black hair.
* If Savitar is a future version of Iris, then wouldn't killing her past self cause a time paradox? On the other hand, this show and ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' never really seems to give a shit about causality or logic when it comes to time travel, so the writers could theoretically pull anything out of their asses. [[AWizardDidIt And maybe the Speed Force protects against these paradoxes or something?]]
* Jossed
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[[WMG: Cecille's telepathic abilities will be the key to stopping [=DeVoe=]]]
* Somehow, as a result of her pregnancy, Cecille develops telepathic abilities--the exact some kind that Dominic (now [=DeVoe=]) has. On Twitter, some people have theorized that her powers could really come in handy here, including being able to read Marlize and/or [=DeVoe=]'s thoughts to stay ahead of them. Of course, more horrifyingly, this could ''also' mean that [=DeVoe=] could take over her body as well (or even their unborn child), since it seems like he can only inhabit the bodies of telepaths.
* Somehow, as a result of her pregnancy, Cecille develops telepathic abilities--the exact some kind that Dominic (now [=DeVoe=]) has. On Twitter, some people have theorized that her powers could really come in handy here, including being able to read Marlize and/or [=DeVoe=]'s thoughts to stay ahead of them. Of course, more horrifyingly, this could ''also' mean that [=DeVoe=] could take over her body as well (or even their unborn child), since it seems like he can only inhabit the bodies of telepaths.
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* Somehow, as a result of her pregnancy, Cecille develops telepathic abilities--the exact some kind that Dominic (now [=DeVoe=]) has. On Twitter, some people have theorized that her powers could really come in handy here, including being able to read Marlize and/or [=DeVoe=]'s thoughts to stay ahead of them. Of course, more horrifyingly, this could ''also' mean that [=DeVoe=] could take over her body as well (or even their unborn child), since it seems like he can only inhabit the bodies of telepaths.
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[[WMG: Cicada's daughter is a metahuman]]
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[[WMG: Cicada will target Icicle]]
He's a dangerous metahuman introduced in the episode that explains why Cicada wants to kill all metahumans. It just makes sense.
He's a dangerous metahuman introduced in the episode that explains why Cicada wants to kill all metahumans. It just makes sense.
