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* [[{{Carrie}} Carrie White]] ([[MindOverMatter Telekinesis]]): although note that Dinky Earnshaw actually refers to "being like Carrie at the Prom", which suggests she was, at least in ''his'' home universe, a fictional character only.
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* [[{{Carrie}} [[Literature/{{Carrie}} Carrie White]] ([[MindOverMatter Telekinesis]]): although note that Dinky Earnshaw actually refers to "being like Carrie at the Prom", which suggests she was, at least in ''his'' home universe, a fictional character only.
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[[WMG: [[TimeLord Roland is the Doctor, Randall Flagg is the Master]]]]
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[[WMG: [[TimeLord [[JustForFun/TimeLord Roland is the Doctor, Randall Flagg is the Master]]]]
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[[WMG:Black gunslinger is not actual Roland but only took his name]]
Related to one above. Black gunslinger we see in the movie is not Roland himself but is most likely another version of Speedy Parker/ Parkus the gunslinger from Talisman who took his name. Probably because Roland is dead but hey, somebody has to carry on and finish his quest.
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* During his and Roland's palaver in ''The Gunslinger'', Walter[[spoiler:/Flagg]] briefly says, "As you resume your quest for the Tower," with Roland rudely interrupting with "Resume? I never left off!", causing Walter to laugh uproariously for a moment before being able to continue. [[spoiler:This conversation only takes place in the revised edition, which takes the seventh book's ending into account.]]
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[[WMG: BANGO SKANK is Jamie DeCurry.]]
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[[WMG: BANGO SKANK is Jamie DeCurry.De Curry.]]
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That's why they're so smart, and seem to combine traits of several different animals.
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That's why they're so smart, and seem to combine traits of several different animals.animals.
[[WMG: BANGO SKANK is Jamie DeCurry.]]
At some point he picked up a copy of Wizard and Glass brought to All-World from Keystone Earth. He was so mad about being left out that he traveled to Keystone Earth and scrawled his graffiti on everything so he could still be in the story. He used BANGO SKANK just because [[StableTimeLoop it was on the road sign at the beginning of Wizard and Glass.]]
[[WMG: BANGO SKANK is Jamie DeCurry.]]
At some point he picked up a copy of Wizard and Glass brought to All-World from Keystone Earth. He was so mad about being left out that he traveled to Keystone Earth and scrawled his graffiti on everything so he could still be in the story. He used BANGO SKANK just because [[StableTimeLoop it was on the road sign at the beginning of Wizard and Glass.]]
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Stephen King states in his forward to ''The Gunslinger'' that the books were originally conceived as ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' [[XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly''. The latter took place during the Civil War; although it wasn't the focus, it was an omnipresent force shaping the characters' actions - much as the Fall of Gilead was treated in the first volume.
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Stephen King states in his forward to ''The Gunslinger'' that the books were originally conceived as ''Literature/LordOfTheRings'' [[XMeetsY [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly''. The latter took place during the Civil War; although it wasn't the focus, it was an omnipresent force shaping the characters' actions - much as the Fall of Gilead was treated in the first volume.
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[[spoiler:He could still use the sneetches because they were technology-based and not created by the King himself, but his other abilities (permanently turning an area the size of Thunderclap into a blighted wasteland, for example) were shut down by the same magical field that kept the King from just jumping or climbing off the balcony.]]
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[[spoiler:He could still use the sneetches because they were technology-based and not created by the King himself, but his other abilities (permanently turning an area the size of Thunderclap into a blighted wasteland, for example) were shut down by the same magical field that kept the King from just jumping or climbing off the balcony.]]]]
[[WMG: Billy-bumblers were genetically engineered by the Old People.]]
That's why they're so smart, and seem to combine traits of several different animals.
[[WMG: Billy-bumblers were genetically engineered by the Old People.]]
That's why they're so smart, and seem to combine traits of several different animals.
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Since the books did make Deschain being white a plot point in certain areas concerning race. [[spoiler:It's also worth noting that this isn't the first time the Gunslinger has gone on his quest. Who is to say that he had to look and be the same person every time he went through his quest?]]
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Since the books did make Deschain being white a plot point in certain areas concerning race. [[spoiler:It's also worth noting that this isn't the first time the Gunslinger has gone on his quest. Who is to say that he had to look and be the same person every time he went through his quest?]]quest?]]
[[WMG: The Crimson King [[spoiler: was so pathetically weak because the Tower was blocking his magic]].]]
[[spoiler:He could still use the sneetches because they were technology-based and not created by the King himself, but his other abilities (permanently turning an area the size of Thunderclap into a blighted wasteland, for example) were shut down by the same magical field that kept the King from just jumping or climbing off the balcony.]]
[[WMG: The Crimson King [[spoiler: was so pathetically weak because the Tower was blocking his magic]].]]
[[spoiler:He could still use the sneetches because they were technology-based and not created by the King himself, but his other abilities (permanently turning an area the size of Thunderclap into a blighted wasteland, for example) were shut down by the same magical field that kept the King from just jumping or climbing off the balcony.]]
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[[spoiler:After all, this isn't the first time the Gunslinger has gone on his quest. Who is to say that he had to look the same every time?]]
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[[WMG:The movie will have an in-story explanation for the RaceLift]]
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[[WMG:The movie will have an in-story explanation for the RaceLift]]RaceLift that Roland Deschain has in the adaptation.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed for the Film via the poster that shows the words "Last Time Around" superimposed over the Horn of Eld. The director has also stated that the Dark Tower film will be a sequel to the final book.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed for the Film via the poster that shows the words "Last Time Around" superimposed over the Horn of Eld. The director has also stated that the Dark Tower film will be a sequel to the final book.]]]]
[[WMG:The movie will have an in-story explanation for the RaceLift]]
[[spoiler:After all, this isn't the first time the Gunslinger has gone on his quest. Who is to say that he had to look the same every time?]]
[[WMG:The movie will have an in-story explanation for the RaceLift]]
[[spoiler:After all, this isn't the first time the Gunslinger has gone on his quest. Who is to say that he had to look the same every time?]]
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[[WMG: It's a game of Sburb.]]
[[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Each cycle is a doomed timeline and the cycles will end when Roland abandons saving the tower in favor of building a new one which will create a new world.]]
[[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Each cycle is a doomed timeline and the cycles will end when Roland abandons saving the tower in favor of building a new one which will create a new world.]]
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[[WMG: It's a game of Sburb.[[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Sburb]].]]
[[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Each [[spoiler:Each cycle is a doomed timeline and the cycles will end when Roland abandons saving the tower in favor of building a new one which will create a new world.]]
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We know at the end of the novels, it is left open that the cycle repeats. Maybe the film is actually the events that take place after the final book. King posting a picture of the horn Horn of Eld on his social media account, which Roland had at the start of the next cycle at the very end of the book. So, if Roland has this horn in the film, wouldn't that mean this is the cycle that follows? And maybe, this is the cycle to end all cycles.
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We know at the end of the novels, it is left open that the cycle repeats. Maybe the film is actually the events that take place after the final book. King posting a picture of the horn Horn of Eld on his social media account, which Roland had at the start of the next cycle at the very end of the book. So, if Roland has this horn in the film, wouldn't that mean this is the cycle that follows? And maybe, this is the cycle to end all cycles.cycles.
* [[spoiler: Confirmed for the Film via the poster that shows the words "Last Time Around" superimposed over the Horn of Eld. The director has also stated that the Dark Tower film will be a sequel to the final book.]]
* [[spoiler: Confirmed for the Film via the poster that shows the words "Last Time Around" superimposed over the Horn of Eld. The director has also stated that the Dark Tower film will be a sequel to the final book.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed for the Film via the poster that shows the words "Last Time Around" superimposed over the Horn of Eld. The director has also stated that the Dark Tower film will be a sequel to the final book.]]
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Many, many times, the protagonists seem to simply "know" what to do without really any explanation. They're in fact remembering echoes of the previous cycles, repeating what worked before and avoiding what hasn't. For instance, the reason Eddie and Jake knew about Dandelo was because they were with Roland during previous cycles when they met the empathic vampire (Susannah might've been with them too, or might've died before then during the previous cycles). The cycles may end when the entire Ka-tet makes it to the Dark Tower, and Roland chooses not to enter and remain with his loved ones.
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Many, many times, the protagonists seem to simply "know" what to do without really any explanation. They're in fact remembering echoes of the previous cycles, repeating what worked before and avoiding what hasn't. For instance, the reason Eddie and Jake knew about Dandelo was because they were with Roland during previous cycles when they met the empathic vampire (Susannah might've been with them too, or might've died before then during the previous cycles). The cycles may end when the entire Ka-tet makes it to the Dark Tower, and Roland chooses not to enter and remain with his loved ones.ones.
[[WMG: The upcoming film is the next cycle after the books.]]
We know at the end of the novels, it is left open that the cycle repeats. Maybe the film is actually the events that take place after the final book. King posting a picture of the horn Horn of Eld on his social media account, which Roland had at the start of the next cycle at the very end of the book. So, if Roland has this horn in the film, wouldn't that mean this is the cycle that follows? And maybe, this is the cycle to end all cycles.
[[WMG: The upcoming film is the next cycle after the books.]]
We know at the end of the novels, it is left open that the cycle repeats. Maybe the film is actually the events that take place after the final book. King posting a picture of the horn Horn of Eld on his social media account, which Roland had at the start of the next cycle at the very end of the book. So, if Roland has this horn in the film, wouldn't that mean this is the cycle that follows? And maybe, this is the cycle to end all cycles.
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** Green is also a color associated with Flagg in ''{{TheStand}}'', and what he says to Lois (specifically, the laugh being described as a "titter" and saying "Look at me Lois/Llyod") further strengthens the argument.
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** Green is also a color associated with Flagg in ''{{TheStand}}'', ''Literature/TheStand'', and what he says to Lois (specifically, the laugh being described as a "titter" and saying "Look at me Lois/Llyod") further strengthens the argument.
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[[Each cycle is a doomed timeline and the cycles will end when Roland abandons saving the tower in favor of building a new one which will create a new world.]]]]
[[WMG: Everyone's random bursts of intuition are echoes of the previous cycles.]]
Many, many times, the protagonists seem to simply "know" what to do without really any explanation. They're in fact remembering echoes of the previous cycles, repeating what worked before and avoiding what hasn't. For instance, the reason Eddie and Jake knew about Dandelo was because they were with Roland during previous cycles when they met the empathic vampire (Susannah might've been with them too, or might've died before then during the previous cycles). The cycles may end when the entire Ka-tet makes it to the Dark Tower, and Roland chooses not to enter and remain with his loved ones.
[[WMG: Everyone's random bursts of intuition are echoes of the previous cycles.]]
Many, many times, the protagonists seem to simply "know" what to do without really any explanation. They're in fact remembering echoes of the previous cycles, repeating what worked before and avoiding what hasn't. For instance, the reason Eddie and Jake knew about Dandelo was because they were with Roland during previous cycles when they met the empathic vampire (Susannah might've been with them too, or might've died before then during the previous cycles). The cycles may end when the entire Ka-tet makes it to the Dark Tower, and Roland chooses not to enter and remain with his loved ones.
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** Not so {{Jossed}}, especially considering that this is WMG. [[spoiler: Dandelo is very similar to IT, and has a stuttering robotic servant named after the stuttering hero of ''{{It}}''. This, in combination with hints from ''Dreamcatcher'' that It is still alive, indicate that Dandelo is It in Allworld.]]
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** Not so {{Jossed}}, especially considering that this is WMG. [[spoiler: Dandelo is very similar to IT, and has a stuttering robotic servant named after the stuttering hero of ''{{It}}''.''Literature/{{It}}''. This, in combination with hints from ''Dreamcatcher'' that It is still alive, indicate that Dandelo is It in Allworld.]]
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** In {{It}}, the driving force behind IT was the deadlights (the red) circling outside the gates of the universe while the other that help the kids after the turtle was the white. Since Pennywise was the physical embodiment of the deadlights, IT was[[spoiler:/is]] the most powerful creature in King's universe. All others that followed were decedents/creations of Pennywise or at least a varintant (like the Crimson King's Spider-god mother).
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** In {{It}}, ''Literature/{{It}}'', the driving force behind IT was the deadlights (the red) circling outside the gates of the universe while the other that help the kids after the turtle was the white. Since Pennywise was the physical embodiment of the deadlights, IT was[[spoiler:/is]] the most powerful creature in King's universe. All others that followed were decedents/creations of Pennywise or at least a varintant (like the Crimson King's Spider-god mother).
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Blaine claimed that Patricia, the other monorail based in Lud, had essentially had a mental breakdown and would not stop crying. He removed certain restraints from Patricia's programming so she could kill herself. He then goes on to plan to kill himself, after destroying the city of Lud.
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Blaine claimed that Patricia, the other monorail based in Lud, had essentially had a mental breakdown and would not stop crying. He removed certain restraints from Patricia's programming so she could kill herself. He then goes on to plan to kill himself, after destroying the city of Lud.Lud.
[[WMG: It's a game of Sburb.]]
[[Each cycle is a doomed timeline and the cycles will end when Roland abandons saving the tower in favor of building a new one which will create a new world.]]
[[WMG: It's a game of Sburb.]]
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[[WMG: Farson's rebellion was Gilead's version of the AmericanCivilWar.]]
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[[WMG: Farson's rebellion was Gilead's version of the AmericanCivilWar.UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar.]]
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Just re-read the books, and was thinking about the series from the Bad Guys\' perspective.
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She wasn't that much interested on the Tower as Roland and Eddie from the get-go, and as soon as she had a chance to stay with a twinner Eddie, she took it with both her hands.
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She wasn't that much interested on the Tower as Roland and Eddie from the get-go, and as soon as she had a chance to stay with a twinner Eddie, she took it with both her hands.hands.
[[WMG: Blaine killed the other train out of Cruel Mercy]]
Blaine claimed that Patricia, the other monorail based in Lud, had essentially had a mental breakdown and would not stop crying. He removed certain restraints from Patricia's programming so she could kill herself. He then goes on to plan to kill himself, after destroying the city of Lud.
[[WMG: Blaine killed the other train out of Cruel Mercy]]
Blaine claimed that Patricia, the other monorail based in Lud, had essentially had a mental breakdown and would not stop crying. He removed certain restraints from Patricia's programming so she could kill herself. He then goes on to plan to kill himself, after destroying the city of Lud.
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of the boulder free zone committee ignored the urging of Mother Abagail...
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of the boulder free zone committee ignored the urging of Mother Abagail...Abagail...
[[WMG: The reason Susannah gives up on the Tower...]]
Is that she never had the chance to see the rose as the others.
She wasn't that much interested on the Tower as Roland and Eddie from the get-go, and as soon as she had a chance to stay with a twinner Eddie, she took it with both her hands.
[[WMG: The reason Susannah gives up on the Tower...]]
Is that she never had the chance to see the rose as the others.
She wasn't that much interested on the Tower as Roland and Eddie from the get-go, and as soon as she had a chance to stay with a twinner Eddie, she took it with both her hands.
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The series as a whole seems to run on a dreamlike logic when you think about it. The strange setting, the deus-ex-machinas, the abundance of characters just plain knowing stuff out of nowhere... It's all a dream that Stephen King had one night, hence why King's works, King himself, and his childhood memories keep showing up.
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The series as a whole seems to run on a dreamlike logic when you think about it. The strange setting, the deus-ex-machinas, the abundance of characters just plain knowing stuff out of nowhere... It's all a dream that Stephen King had one night, hence why King's works, King himself, and his childhood memories keep showing up.up.
[[WMG: Flagg rules a level of the Tower Akin to 'The Stand'.]]
In 'Wizard and Glass', the Ka-tet visits a world the twin of 'The Stand'. Not the exact same, mind you as the products are Tukuro Spirits and Nozz-A-La. Its mentioned in The Dark Tower that he does indeed rule "a level of the tower" so its not much of a stretch to assume that Flagg drew them
into the level of the tower that he himself controlled... Possibly one in where the remains
of the boulder free zone committee ignored the urging of Mother Abagail...
[[WMG: Flagg rules a level of the Tower Akin to 'The Stand'.]]
In 'Wizard and Glass', the Ka-tet visits a world the twin of 'The Stand'. Not the exact same, mind you as the products are Tukuro Spirits and Nozz-A-La. Its mentioned in The Dark Tower that he does indeed rule "a level of the tower" so its not much of a stretch to assume that Flagg drew them
into the level of the tower that he himself controlled... Possibly one in where the remains
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The series as a whole seems to run on a dreamlike logic when you think about it. The strange setting, the deus-ex-machinas, the abundance of characters just plain knowing stuff out of nowhere... It's all a dream that Stephen King had one night, hence why King's works, King himself, and his childhood memories keep showing up.
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** {{Jossed}} by the last book. ''{{Insomnia}}'' is not a part of the tower universe; it's actually a deception in the same mode that Odd Lane is a glamour and a "wrong direction".
*** Still possible. It's Roland who declares ''{{Insomnia}}'' a dead end.
*** Still possible. It's Roland who declares ''{{Insomnia}}'' a dead end.
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** {{Jossed}} by the last book. ''{{Insomnia}}'' ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' is not a part of the tower universe; it's actually a deception in the same mode that Odd Lane is a glamour and a "wrong direction".
*** Still possible. It's Roland who declares''{{Insomnia}}'' ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' a dead end.
*** Still possible. It's Roland who declares
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**Green is also a color associated with Flagg in ''{{TheStand}}'', and what he says to Lois (specifically, the laugh being described as a "titter" and saying "Look at me Lois/Llyod") further strengthens the argument.
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[[WMG:A final book about Jack from The Talisman will tie up all the loose ends of the Towerverse.]]
King and Straub have said they wanted to do one final book to finish his story. We will find out what happened to the boys that followed Flagg out of Eyes of the Dragon, where the Buick 8 came from, what ties Pennywise from It has, who the Green Man was, etc.
King and Straub have said they wanted to do one final book to finish his story. We will find out what happened to the boys that followed Flagg out of Eyes of the Dragon, where the Buick 8 came from, what ties Pennywise from It has, who the Green Man was, etc.