Line #7 WMG/TheDarkTower


1	[[WMG: The short story ''The Jaunt'' happened during the time of the [[NeglectfulPrecursors Great Old Ones.]]]]
2	Because so many of King's stories are connected to the Tower Universe and All-World. It's outright stated that the Old Ones abused the Tower's power and combined it with their technology to create all sorts of things, teleportation among them. The Jaunt devices could just be the precursors of the doors they created into other worlds.
3	* They do mention the space between worlds can drive a man mad, so perhaps the Old Ones managed to create some kind of force field to keep them out, kind of like how spaceships can enter the Warp in Warhammer 40k?
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5	[[WMG: Flagg knows about the ending.]]
6	[[spoiler: It's why his interactions with Roland are so irritated. He's aware that if he fails to kill Roland, he'll just get resurrected in the end with him.]]
7	* During his and Roland's palaver in ''The Gunslinger'', Walter[[spoiler:/Flagg]] briefly says, "As you resume your quest for the Tower," with Roland rudely interrupting with "Resume? I never left off!", causing Walter to laugh uproariously for a moment before being able to continue. [[spoiler:This conversation only takes place in the revised edition, which takes the seventh book's ending into account.]]
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9	[[WMG:The "Green Man" from ''Insomnia'' is actually Randall Flagg.]]
10	It's revealed in ''The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower'' that Flagg has no interest in the Crimson King's plan to pull down the Tower -- he wants to ascend the Tower and control it himself. For this, Flagg needs Roland to live long enough to foil the Crimson King, hence he needs Patrick Danville to save Roland. Since Derry was the Court of the Crimson King, and Flagg was ostensibly in the King's service, Flagg had to limit his [[Main/TheStarscream insubordination]] to offering a crucial bit of advice to Lois. Even so, Flagg had to disguise himself to prevent the King from finding out.
11	* That does explain why Lois was unable to tell whether the Green Man was good or evil: he was genuinely trying to help Ralph and Lois by giving them the earrings, but his reasons for doing so were rooted in his desire for multiversal domination. Hence his confusing moral aura.
12	** {{Jossed}} by the last book. ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' is not a part of the tower universe; it's actually a deception in the same mode that Odd Lane is a glamour and a "wrong direction".
13	*** Still possible. It's Roland who declares ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' a dead end.
14	*** Furthermore, it's stated in the very same novel [[spoiler: that all writers are prophets of Gan, and that all stories are depictions of real universes and their events.]] So it's likely that the world of ''Insomnia'' is indeed real and part of the greater multiverse, which, by extension, would lend some credibility to the theory of Flagg having shown up there.
15	** Green is also a color associated with Flagg in ''Literature/TheStand'', and what he says to Lois (specifically, the laugh being described as a "titter" and saying "Look at me Lois/Lloyd") further strengthens the argument.
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17	[[WMG:Both the original and the revised version of ''The Gunslinger'' actually happened.]]
18	They're just different cycles. "Ka like a wheel." Additionally, "continuity errors" between the other books are actually an indication that ''none'' of the Dark Tower books occur in the same cycle.
19	* This means that the comic also happened, in a third loop.
20	* The only problem with this one is that Allworld and Keystone Earth are the only constant universes. So despite the cyclical nature of Ka (and Roland's constant quest) it seems fairly implausable for it to be otherwise. This troper also thought that Roland's quest only cycled from the point just before he met Brown, meaning that there would be no good reason for him to use 70's slang terms or read magazines.
21	* Jossed in the Coda of the last book. Roland is always sent back to the point to the Mohaine Desert (The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed), with no memory of what happened before. He is not sent further back in time where he could potentially change the mistakes of the past.
22	* There is precedent for changes in events prior to Roland's trip across the Mohaine: In the Coda Roland gets sent back to the desert, but this time he has Cuthbert's horn. Roland did not have the horn in the previous loop; it had been lost at a point long before Roland entered the Mohaine.
23	** That was an intentional concession on the part of the Tower. Roland almost seems surprised to find he has the horn but his past is practically the same.
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25	[[WMG:All-World is [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory Purgatory]]. Or Hell.]]
26	Jake and Father Callahan end up there by dying in our world. And there's also the whole [[GroundhogDayLoop cycle]] thing, which is echoed in the short story "That Feeling, You Can Only Say What It Is In French" (from ''Everything's Eventual''), in which the main character is canonically Main/DeadAllAlong ([[Main/WordOfGod King's commentary on the short story]] confirms this).
27	* Not sure about the re-write, but in the original version of The Gunslinger, Roland asks Brown if he believes in an afterlife. Brown states that he thinks "this is it." This has two meanings, one is that there is no afterlife, and this is the only world they have, or that they are living in the afterlife
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29	[[WMG:All-World is Narnia as the magic runs out]]
30	At the end of The Last Battle, the children enter a new magical world they explore and have adventures in; once they find the center of that world they find a new world, as large and magical as the one that contains it for them to explore.
31	At the end of the Dark Tower, inside the titular Dark Tower which is frequently referred to as the center of all things, Roland gets sent somewhere else, with the same quest: follow the man in black, find the Dark Tower.
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33	[[WMG:Susannah didn't come from the same world as Eddie or Jake.]]
34	In the final book, it is explicitly revealed that Susannah disappeared in the [[Main/RealLife real world]]; Eddie, on the other hand, comes from a world in which Co-op City is in [[strike:the Bronx]] [[Main/RetCon Brooklyn]], rather than the Bronx, where it really is. Also, Eddie came from [[strike:1983]] [[Main/RetCon 1987]] and Jake came from 1974, while Susannah came from 1968; according to the last book, once you travel to a given time in the real world, you can never go back to an earlier time.
35	* Whilst it's definitely possible that Susannah didn't come from the same world as Eddie or Jake, it's not totally certain that she came from our world. The A train doesn't stop at the Christopher Street station in the [[Main/RealLife real world]] for one thing. This even gets mentioned in the sixth book.
36	* Considering how many times the cycle may have happened before, it's possible that the real-world version of Susannah was drawn, had her adventures, and then left for a parallel Earth many iterations ago. That left an opening in the real world for the Susannah in the novels to claim her father's wealth there, even if she's not actually the same Susannah that inherited it there.
37	* In addition to co-op being in a different borough of New York, Eddies' brother was drafted into the Vietnam War in 1978. That said I don't think that was King intent when he was writing the drawing of the three & wastelands. But later he decide to work those error into the story.
38	* The "once you travel to a certain point, you can't travel to a point before" rule only applies to the Keystone Earth and Allworld, no?
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40	[[WMG:Robert Browning's ''Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came'' is about the last cycle.]]
41	At least that's how I read the poem being printed at the end of book VII. Finally Roland makes it to the Tower and blows the horn. ''Finis.''
42	* Or, for the DownerEnding variant, Browning's poem was written about ''a previous iteration of Roland's quest'', in which he still had the horn because he'd never left it behind. Browning wrote the poem at Roland's urging, because he was a previous iteration's Stephen King, who immortalized the gunslinger's story after Roland saved him from being run over by a speeding carriage. Roland then completed his quest and flashed back to the desert, only ''that'' time, the Tower took the horn of Arthur Eld away from him as a sign that the next round might end differently...
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44	[[WMG: The portals in [[Literature/FromABuick8 the Buick 8]] and [[Literature/TheMist the Arrowhead project]] are the same as portals of ''The Dark Tower'' series.]]
45	''The Dark Tower'' series mentions various portals between the two worlds. The special thing is only the Buick was planned to be a portal by the Darkman. Arrowhead was taken advantage of, while all other portals could be extremely difficult to open.
46	* I don't think Arrowhead project was a natural portal. If you think of a natural portal as a door, what project Arrowhead did is like knocking a hole through the wall. On that note if the film version and the novella are separate levels of the Tower, project Arrowhead happened in at least two different universes.
47	** It's been implied in some places that a beam breaking was the result of Arrowhead.
48	** The Dark Tower wiki claims that the Arrowhead Project opened a thinny and monsters from the todash darkness came through.
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50	[[WMG: The Gunslinger is a video game protagonist, and the cycles of the Dark Tower represent his attempts at SaveScumming.]]
51	Or, alternately, he beat the game the first time around and either went into the bonus "Master Quest" or started a NewGamePlus.
52	* If this is true, it's definitely a Sierra game. "I made the game Unwinnable when I dropped the damn ''trumpet''? And now I have to restore my saved game from the ''desert'', seven disks ago? Screw you, Sierra!"
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54	[[WMG: When the television adaptation is made, Roland will have the Horn of Eld from the beginning.]]
55	It'd give the writers a completely believable license to change things around: this is the next and possibly final cycle.
56	* [[spoiler: Confirmed for the Film via the poster that shows the words "Last Time Around" superimposed over the Horn of Eld. The director has also stated that the Dark Tower film will be a sequel to the final book.]]
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58	[[WMG: The Beast spoken about in Franchise/TheDarkTower is actually the creature from ''It''.]]
59	The Man in Black said that to speak of the Beast is to damn one's soul; it sounds like what happens when one looks into the ''deadlights''. Also, what else but an eldritch abomination could cause Randall Flagg to show fear?
60	* {{Jossed}} in the final book. [[spoiler: The creature, whose name is revealed to be Dandelo, is encountered and killed by Roland and Susannah.]]
61	** Not so {{Jossed}}, especially considering that this is WMG. [[spoiler: Dandelo is very similar to IT, and has a stuttering robotic servant named after the stuttering hero of ''Literature/{{It}}''. This, in combination with hints from ''Dreamcatcher'' that It is still alive, indicate that Dandelo is It in Allworld.]]
62	*** Really? [[spoiler: Dandelo reminded me of Ardelia Lortz, of ''The Library Policeman''. After all, their true forms are both giant, beetle-like creatures, they feed off of emotions (all strong ones in Dandelo's case, fear only for Ardelia), and, given Dandelo's choice of Patrick, favor children. Of course, it could be argued that Ardelia herself was yet ''another'' alternate-universe ''IT''.]]
63	*** Dandello and Lortz could easily be [[spoiler: IT's children. IT was pregnant afterall.]]
64	** In the revised version of book one, The Beast is referred to instead as [[BigBad The Crimson King]].
65	* It's more likely that the Beast is Dis, the ultimate embodiment of the Red/Random/evil, in the same way that the Tower is Gan, the ultimate embodiment of the White/Purpose/good. The Beast seems to be part of the Tower, or trapped within it in some way; we know that Dis is imprisoned in the top room, and the Crimson King is merely an aspect of it.
66	** In ''Literature/{{It}}'', the driving force behind IT was the deadlights (the red) circling outside the gates of the universe while the other that help the kids after the turtle was the white. Since Pennywise was the physical embodiment of the deadlights, IT was[[spoiler:/is]] the most powerful creature in King's universe. All others that followed were decedents/creations of Pennywise or at least a varintant (like the Crimson King's Spider-god mother).
67	* This troper recalls reading a theory that Dandelo (and perhaps even the Crimson King) were [[spoiler: hatched from IT's eggs]].
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69	[[WMG: There are several minor characters with the ability to become Gunslingers in the books.]]
70	As well as all the named characters who become gunslingers, there are others who could potentially have become gunslingers. King describes the "cold, emotionless" feeling that drops over people when they are about to kill with a gun, and several characters exhibit this trait. Examples includes the cop who exploded Jack Mort's lighter in New York, Susan Delgado, and the Sisters of Oriza. There may be others...
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73	[[WMG: The revised edition of the first book starts at the end of the last book.]]
74	The continuity errors revised in the books were also done in universe, when Ka corrected itself after the mistakes it made in the last cycle.
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77	[[WMG: The cycle will end - when Roland can renounce the Tower at the proper time.]]
78	Per the final book of the series, after Algul Siento is destroyed, the remaining Beams are saved and will even restore those that were broken. In addition, it's revealed that the Crimson King is trapped on his balcony of the Tower and completely unable to advance, leave, or affect it in any way. Effectively, the destruction of Algul Siento marks the salvation of all universes. However, Roland feels incapable of renouncing his quest - he must reach the Tower, not for anyone's sake but his own.
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80	If Roland continues his quest for the Tower after this point, it marks a failure on his part - he threatens the fate of all things for the sake of his own personal quest, and opens the possibility for the Crimson King to acquire the keys to the Tower. It's even possible that his entry of the Tower weakens it again somehow, which is why he is sent back to the desert, as the Tower attempts to rewrite the damage done. The only way for all worlds to be safe will be for Roland to complete the truly noble aspect of his quest, the preservation of the Tower - perhaps even the destruction of the Crimson King - and having stood at the steps of the Tower, have the strength to turn around and leave the Tower be.
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82	Good luck on that, [[{{Determinator}} Roland]].
83	** There's a suggestion, though, that this ''is'' how things ''eventually'' turn out; in the very last lines of the book, as Roland sets out again across the desert to find the Man in Black, it's suggested that the timeline has been altered -- Roland has the horn again, which he didn't have in the previous cycle. So it does indicate Roland's iterative attempts to find the Tower are moving him towards renouncing the Tower.
84	*** Supported given that in the book version of Roland's quest, it is the roses themselves that "blow his horn" and open the tower for him. It's an image tied up with him being ''compelled'' to enter the Tower. Possibly when he has the horn and blows it, there is no compulsion from the Tower for him to enter.
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86	[[WMG: The following are included among the Breakers (or, if dead, would have been)]]
87	* Patrick Danville (RealityWarper)
88	** If Pat were a Breaker he'd have had to escape somehow: he spent years before their operation was shut down locked up in Dandelo's cellar.
89	* [[Literature/TheGreenMile John Coffey]] (HealingHands)
90	* [[Literature/{{Firestarter}} Charlie McGee]] ([[PlayingWithFire Pyrokinesis]])
91	* [[Literature/{{Carrie}} Carrie White]] ([[MindOverMatter Telekinesis]]): although note that Dinky Earnshaw actually refers to "being like Carrie at the Prom", which suggests she was, at least in ''his'' home universe, a fictional character only.
92	** While Charlie and Carrie would almost certainly have been located, the underlings of the Crimson King doing the recruiting would realize that either one is FAR too dangerous to bring to Algul Siento.
93	* [[Literature/TheShining Danny Torrance]] ([[PsychicPowers Mind-Reading]])
94	* [[Literature/TheShining Dick Hallorann]] ([[PsychicPowers Clairvoyance]])
95	* [[Literature/TheDeadZone Johnny Smith]] ([[PsychicPowers Clairvoyance, psychometry]])
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97	[[WMG: The cycles of Roland's journey are entirely different each time.]]
98	* It just feels to me that if time was reset entirely, that would render the "Susannah in New York" epilogue useless, and the warning in "Found" unnecessary because Roland is now able to start over and perhaps prevent everyone's death by accident. Instead, it makes more sense that only Roland's age and the life of Randall Flagg (because he's Randall Flagg and he's too demonic to really die) get reset. Part of Roland's death-curse, put upon him either by the Tower as punishment or by the Pink Bend o' the Rainbow when it glamoured him into finding the Tower, is that every time he goes to the Tower, he finds a new ka-tet, and they are all killed along the journey. He has probably already killed fifty or so people in his ka-tets by taking them on previous cycles. Susannah is the first one to ever escape, hence she lives happily ever after. That is Roland's true curse.
99	** It's not a full reset every time he enters the Tower. The last book makes it clear that it's only for ''Roland'' that time is reset. He's forced to relive the experience of his last ka-tet endlessly. The only difference is that during this particular experience, for whatever reason, the Tower saw fit to give him back the horn he lost at Jericho Hill, and therefore there's the chance that at the end of the journey this time round he'll blow the horn rather than having the roses blow it for him, and the curse will end as per Robert Browning's poem.
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101	[[WMG: Like the Crimson King, Roland, is also sealed inside the Tower.]]
102	Going off of the previous entry, and a later entry too, Roland is part of the Tower, but not the full Tower itself. More specifically, he is residing in a room similar to the Crimson King. Like the Crimson King, the prime version, or true Roland, resides in the room marked ROLAND. Unlike the Crimson King, who seeks to destroy the Tower to free his true form from imprisonment, and destroy the multiverse, Roland has sworn to protect it no matter what, so his prime aspect that resides within, guides every version of Roland to combat the Crimson King in every multiverse, and protect the Dark Tower, given that it exists in every universe, albeit in a different form. By this logic, this makes even the comics, and the movie all canon as well. Each one is just a different version of Roland being guided by the prime Roland to protect the Dark Tower. The comics could be the memories of the prime Roland's past, which is why they can conflict with the past described in the novels. The comics display Prime Roland's adventures, and origins, the novels show us an alternate Roland being guided by his prime version, and if the movie is actually a sequel of sorts, then it would also explain things like Roland's race change, and his father's different form of death, and Randall/Walter's defeat too. Essentially, this is exactly what the multiverse is, different timelines where different events play out, even with many things being similar like the settings, and the characters. A standard time-loop is just a repeat of the same story, in which nothing would change at all, Roland, would never have the Horn of Eld again. When Roland has completed his mission, as well as lost everyone, and everything he cares about, he returns to the Tower, where he fuses with the Prime version in that room. This would also serve to keep the Prime Roland, and all of the other versions from going insane from the events too. Prime Roland gets a whole new lifetime of experiences, and sustains his mental well being, while the alternate version gets to finally rest. Unlike the Crimson King, who is trapped forever, and keeps getting defeated. Roland isn't trapped in a repetitive hell, he is a guardian angel of the multiverse. Granted this may not have been Stephen King's initial plan for this, but that is how it seems to have turned out.
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104	[[WMG: The Man In Black in the desert is not Walter, but the embodiment of the Tower itself.]]
105	* The Tower is there in the form of his nemesis to warn Roland to turn away from his obsession of reaching the Tower, while Jake is in a sense the anti-thesis of the Tower (Not of Gan, but of what Roland makes out the Tower to be). When Roland will finally choose Jake over the Tower, the cycle will end and Roland will find his peace the same way Susannah did. But every time he chooses the Tower, he has to relive all of that pain and grief he has endured for hundreds of years, while fighting the ghosts of his long dead enemies.
106	** {{Jossed}} in the last book. Randall Flagg identifies himself as the Man in Black and explains how he basically cast a spell on Roland to escape and deceive him into believing he was long dead.
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108	[[WMG: The child Breakers in ''Black House'' were working on a different Beam to that of Shardik and Maturin.]]
109	* Nobody in Algul Siento ever mentions the Big Engine which the "party" in ''Black House'' destroyed. Therefore it was an effort at breaking one of the other Beams, possibly even the one of Elephant and Fish which collapses in ''Song of Susannah'' depending on how heavily it was damaged before the Coppicemen intervened.
110	** It is mentioned in 'Dark Tower' that the Crimson King's forge (seen in the vision in 'Song of Susannah') has been shut down. This was the big engine, the machine CK used to spread his malice and corruption through every level of creation.
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112	[[WMG: There is another, bigger cycle.]]
113	* The cycle we see in the books, that starts at the beginning of ''The Gunslinger'' and loops back at the end of ''The Dark Tower'', is a relatively small one. Perhaps it's just a tiny part of an even bigger cycle, going from the beginning of the multiverse to its end? Once Roland has completed his final ''Dark Tower'' cycle, the multiverse should continue on as usual (albeit with evil banished, or something). But when the universes of Mid-World and Keystone Earth eventually die (in a Big Crunch or something), the entire multiverse will be rebooted. This explains the difference between the ''Dark Tower'' books, comics and upcoming films: they're part of different cycles all right, but the events flashed back to in ''Wizard and Glass'' take place outside the ''Dark Tower'' cycle, and must therefore be part of a different, larger cycle if the differences in versions are to be accounted for. This also explains how the book, television and comic-book versions of ''The Stand'' can all exist, despite the fact that they all have different versions of Randall Flagg in them: it's impossible that there are multiple Flaggs running around the multiverse (there's no way this guy could have twinners), so the different Flaggs must be part of different multiversal cycles.
114	** Except they aren't multiple Flaggs in the adaptations...a few things got changed, but it's the same Flagg really.
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116	** Related to the above WMG: The larger cycle is about the Prim (Magic and Faith) and Rationality (Science and Machines) replacing and renewing each other. When the Prim was born, the Dark Tower and the beams came into existance. As mentioned in the books, the Great Old Ones replaced the magic of the beams with machines. Why? Either the beams were failing because of the retreat of the Prim OR the Great Old Ones thought they could do better. Doesn't matter. The beams themselves are more then just guy wires or supports holding up the tower, they are literally the axle upon which the Dark Tower (and Ka, the same thing, really) turn. So when the Prim receded the bearings (beams) began to wear out. Granted, since they are magic they could last nearly forever. But then they are replaced with machines, poor substitutes. The old ones believed that they would be around forver, so whats wrong with having to replace a few broken parts now and again?
117	** But now, there is a prolbem. The Prim is due to rise again. It can't replace the machines with them still holding up and spinning the Dark Tower on its hyper-dimensional axis. So then the Crimson King comes along and works to BREAK them. And where do they fail? At their weakest point, the machines. The last magic beam or failsafe (Stephen King and the Rose) hold up everything while the last of the artificial beams are destroyed. Roland and his Ka-tet are the Prim, crashing in like waves on a beach. In DT7 its mentioned that with the breakers gone, the last remaining beam will re-knit the others. Roland's entry into the tower and climb are literally the tide coming in. Sadly, in the cycle we see Roland missed the horn and either needs it for a full return of the prim OR he needs to be able to set aside his desire to enter the tower, as others have mentioned. Because every tide that comes in must go back out. However if the tide (Prim or faith and magic) never crests its peak, it may be able to hold at a lower point and hence hold the beams and tower up all by itself.
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119	[[WMG: Patrick Danville is the son of Roland Deschain and Susan Delgado.]]
120	* Dying is one way for a person to travel from one world to another (eg Jake). When Susan Delgado was being burnt in Hambry, perhaps the embryo she was carrying was transferred to the womb of another woman in another world: Sonia Danville. The supernatural forces surrounding the ancient evil of the charyou tree may have caused the dimensional rift. Sonia bore the child – the biological son of Roland and Susan – thinking that it was hers. When Ralph Roberts is reading Sonia's mind in ''Insomnia'', he finds out 'Patrick, that's his name. She calls him Pat. He's named after his grandfather.' Patrick Delgado was the father of Susan Delgado, meaning that any child of Roland and Susan would have been the grandchild of Patrick – who is often referred to as Pat. It seems that Sonia is aware of her child's origins on some subconscious level. And of course, Patrick Danville's Mid-World heritage would go a long way towards explaining his supernatural abilities and cosmic significance. Besides, it's too damn depressing to think that Susan and her baby just died.
121	** Alternately, Sonia Danville is Susan Delgado's Twinner (see Black House for more info, though if you're here I imagine you already are familiar at least in passing), and Susan's unborn child would have been Patrick's (Twinner, that is, not child).
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123	[[WMG: Arthur Eld is the son of Randall Flagg and Nadine Cross.]]
124	* This theory operates via the same mechanism as the one above. When Nadine Cross manages to goad Randall Flagg into throwing her out a window in ''The Stand'', she and the child she was carrying apparently die. But if it's possible for unborn children to be transferred from one world to another upon death in the same way Jake was transferred, perhaps the offspring of Nadine and Flagg ended up in the body of a Mid-World woman – and since time is irrelevant when travelling between universes, it's entirely possible that the child ended up in the body of a woman in the distant past. This woman, whose surname was Eld, gave birth to the child and named him Arthur. The boy was enormously talented, and rose through the ranks to ultimately become the King of All-World. He led his people to victory against the wizard Maerlyn – who is, in fact, his grandfather, as the comics reveal that Flagg was Maerlyn's bastard offspring.Arthur has two children during his life: one was a son by a mortal woman whose surname was Deschain – this child was the ancestor of Roland through twenty-nine generations. The other child was by the demonic Crimson Queen, whom Arthur was tricked into sleeping with by Maerlyn's manipulation. Therefore: Maerlyn fathered Randall Flagg, who fathered Arthur Eld, who fathered the Crimson King and also sired the line which begat Roland Deschain. The Crimson King and Roland Deschain then co-fathered Mordred Deschain, in whom was reunited the two lines of Eld. Mordred capped the whole thing off by eating his ancestor. And if we combine this theory with the above one, Patrick Danville is also a descendant of Maerlyn, Flagg and Arthur, as well as being the half-brother of Mordred.
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126	[[WMG: The books depict the 19th iteration of Roland's quest.]]
127	The number is a glorified loop counter. The problems it causes in Tull (revised edition) are because it reveals to the townsfolk just what's going on--EternalRecurrence is a tough pill to swallow. Instances of 19 in other books can be explained by All-World being one of the Keystone worlds, with the counter diffusing through the multiverse during each loop.
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129	[[WMG: [[JustForFun/TimeLord Roland is the Doctor, Randall Flagg is the Master]]]]
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131	[[WMG: Roland has the Horn in the new iteration because he saved Stephen King in Keystone Earth.]]
132	Everything's [[CosmicKeystone set in stone]] in Keystone Earth, isn't it? With Roland presumably going back in time to the moment in the Mohaine Desert, the changes he made to Keystone Earth persist, and as such the Tet Corporation already exists at this point. Stephen King is also alive, and, knowing on some level what happened to him, he rewrites the story so that Roland already has the Horn.
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134	[[WMG: Roland's quest will end...]]
135	... when Roland chooses Jake over the Tower and saves him, instead of following the Man in Black. If he doesn't let him fall to his death, the rest of his journey goes an entirely different way, and the cycle is broken.
136	** At that point in the cycle the breakers would still be active, so the tower would fall. It would break the cycle but not in the right way.
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138	[[WMG: Kindness will end the cycles.]]
139	There are several different people who could've changed things if they'd been allowed to live. Some changes--Mordred being accepted when he was born, say--are large and obvious. Others are less so, like that one can-toi in the Algul who seemed to be Becoming in truth. Even Lamla o' Galee, who begged for clemency, might have been a tipping point. Saving enough of the lost ones might well win the day.
140	* Morded ponders what it would be like to be accepted, but comes to the conclusion that even if he was he would never yield to having Roland as his Dihn/king, so even if they did accept him he would want to be in charge of everyone.
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142	[[WMG: Everything that has happened to Dark Tower's incarnation of Stephen King actually happened.]]
143	The money he paid the man in the accident wasn't so he could buy and destroy his car. But also keep him quiet about his dealings between himself and Roland.
144	* creepy...
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146	[[WMG: Roland IS The Dark Tower]]
147	The Dark Tower has three incarnations instead of two, the Tower itself, the Rose and Roland himself! Roland is the human incarnation of the Tower, so what he's really searching for is himself (deep huh?)
148	* And "himself" is, quite literally, what he finds inside the tower. (Apparently, it's what everyone who goes into the Tower finds; the Crimson King also saw the beginning of its own life before it ended up getting trapped.)
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150	[[WMG: Stephen King has known what the ending to Book 7 would be since 1991.]]
151	The Waste Lands features the ZZ Top song "Velcro Fly," which contains the line[[spoiler: "When you reach the end, do it over again,"]] serving as an extremely subtle and prescient foreshadowing.
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153	[[WMG: The room at the top of the tower is the way it is because of Jack's actions in ''The Talisman'']]
154	Jack's actions in the Black Hotel, or "The Other Alhambra" have him climbing to the top of a large black structure and retrieving something said to be at the "nexus of all worlds". There's even an image of the room in the tower when Jake reaches the top of the Black Hotel. A phrase repeated in the latter half of the series is "The room at the top of the tower is empty." So the reason [[spoiler: everything keeps looping and Roland has to repeat his doomed quest over and over again]] is because Jack unwittingly created [[spoiler: the loop]] Roland [[spoiler: keeps repeating]] by removing the lynchpin. This would also explain the decay of the Beams that the Breakers are trying to speed up. While King didn't initially intend for the books to be part of the same universe, it is clear that one does now coexist with the other, and so while Jack may have [[spoiler: saved all the worlds]], he also made things more difficult in the long run.
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156	[[WMG:''It'' is the Crimson Queen AKA the Crimson King's mother from The Long Road Home comic.]]
157
158	[[WMG: The VillainDecay the Crimson King suffered is [[EvilIsNotAToy a result of toying with the Dark Tower.]] ]]
159	The Dark Tower is the support of TheMultiverse itself, and all reality was breaking around it as the Crimson King tore at it. What he didn't count on was that being at the epicentre of this decay, he'd be the most vulnerable. The supposed retcon that [[TheDevilIsALoser he'd always been incompetent]] is because ''time'' as well as space is decaying, resulting in his own history being botched and decaying.
160
161	[[WMG: Farson's rebellion was Gilead's version of UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar.]]
162	Stephen King states in his forward to ''The Gunslinger'' that the books were originally conceived as ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' [[JustForFun/XMeetsY meets]] ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly''. The latter took place during the Civil War; although it wasn't the focus, it was an omnipresent force shaping the characters' actions - much as the Fall of Gilead was treated in the first volume.
163
164	Yes, I know [[FanonDiscontinuity I'm ignoring the comics]].
165
166	[[WMG:A final book about Jack from The Talisman will tie up all the loose ends of the Towerverse.]]
167	King and Straub have said they wanted to do one final book to finish his story. We will find out what happened to the boys that followed Flagg out of Eyes of the Dragon, where the Buick 8 came from, what ties Pennywise from It has, who the Green Man was, etc.
168
169	[[WMG:It's AllJustADream]]
170	The series as a whole seems to run on a dreamlike logic when you think about it. The strange setting, the deus-ex-machinas, the abundance of characters just plain knowing stuff out of nowhere... It's all a dream that Stephen King had one night, hence why King's works, King himself, and his childhood memories keep showing up.
171
172	[[WMG: Flagg rules a level of the Tower Akin to 'The Stand'.]]
173	In 'Wizard and Glass', the Ka-tet visits a world the twin of 'The Stand'. Not the exact same, mind you as the products are Tukuro Spirits and Nozz-A-La. Its mentioned in The Dark Tower that he does indeed rule "a level of the tower" so its not much of a stretch to assume that Flagg drew them
174	into the level of the tower that he himself controlled... Possibly one in where the remains
175	of the boulder free zone committee ignored the urging of Mother Abagail...
176
177	[[WMG: The reason Susannah gives up on the Tower...]]
178	Is that she never had the chance to see the rose as the others.
179	She wasn't that much interested on the Tower as Roland and Eddie from the get-go, and as soon as she had a chance to stay with a twinner Eddie, she took it with both her hands.
180
181	[[WMG: Blaine killed the other train out of Cruel Mercy]]
182	Blaine claimed that Patricia, the other monorail based in Lud, had essentially had a mental breakdown and would not stop crying. He removed certain restraints from Patricia's programming so she could kill herself. He then goes on to plan to kill himself, after destroying the city of Lud.
183
184	[[WMG: It's a game of [[Webcomic/{{Homestuck}} Sburb]].]]
185	[[spoiler:Each cycle is a doomed timeline and the cycles will end when Roland abandons saving the tower in favor of building a new one which will create a new world.]]
186
187	[[WMG: Everyone's random bursts of intuition are echoes of the previous cycles.]]
188	Many, many times, the protagonists seem to simply "know" what to do without really any explanation. They're in fact remembering echoes of the previous cycles, repeating what worked before and avoiding what hasn't. For instance, the reason Eddie and Jake knew about Dandelo was because they were with Roland during previous cycles when they met the empathic vampire (Susannah might've been with them too, or might've died before then during the previous cycles). The cycles may end when the entire Ka-tet makes it to the Dark Tower, and Roland chooses not to enter and remain with his loved ones.
189
190	[[WMG: The upcoming film is the next cycle after the books.]]
191	We know at the end of the novels, it is left open that the cycle repeats. Maybe the film is actually the events that take place after the final book. King posting a picture of the horn Horn of Eld on his social media account, which Roland had at the start of the next cycle at the very end of the book. So, if Roland has this horn in the film, wouldn't that mean this is the cycle that follows? And maybe, this is the cycle to end all cycles.
192	* [[spoiler: Confirmed for the Film via the poster that shows the words "Last Time Around" superimposed over the Horn of Eld. The director has also stated that the Dark Tower film will be a sequel to the final book.]]
193
194	[[WMG:The movie will have an in-story explanation for the RaceLift that Roland Deschain has in the adaptation.]]
195	Since the books did make Deschain being white a plot point in certain areas concerning race. [[spoiler:It's also worth noting that this isn't the first time the Gunslinger has gone on his quest. Who is to say that he had to look and be the same person every time he went through his quest?]]
196
197
198	[[WMG:Black gunslinger is not actual Roland but only took his name]]
199	Related to one above. Black gunslinger we see in the movie is not Roland himself but is most likely another version of Speedy Parker/ Parkus the gunslinger from Talisman who took his name. Probably because Roland is dead but hey, somebody has to carry on and finish his quest.
200
201	[[WMG: The Crimson King [[spoiler: was so pathetically weak because the Tower was blocking his magic]].]]
202	[[spoiler:He could still use the sneetches because they were technology-based and not created by the King himself, but his other abilities (permanently turning an area the size of Thunderclap into a blighted wasteland, for example) were shut down by the same magical field that kept the King from just jumping or climbing off the balcony.]]
203
204	[[WMG: Billy-bumblers were genetically engineered by the Old People.]]
205	That's why they're so smart, and seem to combine traits of several different animals.
206
207	[[WMG: BANGO SKANK is Jamie De Curry.]]
208	At some point he picked up a copy of Wizard and Glass brought to All-World from Keystone Earth. He was so mad about being left out that he traveled to Keystone Earth and scrawled his graffiti on everything so he could still be in the story. He used BANGO SKANK just because [[StableTimeLoop it was on the road sign at the beginning of Wizard and Glass.]]
209
210	[[WMG: The real reason the True Knot had to blend in and not be obvious was they were hiding from the Crimson King.]]
211	As a creature that fed on the Shine and was in fact killing the Shine in humanity since they preferred to take kids, therefore preventing it from being passed on/propagating. They were literally eating the candidates the King was getting his breakers from.
212
213	[[WMG: The Tower rejects Roland as he did not save it for unselfish reasons]]

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