History WMG / SupermanVsTheElite

[[WMG: The Hat is the lovechild of [[Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia France and China.]]]]

[[WMG: The whole time, TheJoker was in Arkham, watching the news reports of it and laughing his ass off]]

[[WMG: The Hat is the lovechild of [[AxisPowersHetalia France and China.]]]]

[[WMG: The Hat is the lovechild of [[AxisPowersHetalia France and China.]]

[[WMG: The Hat is the lovechild of [[AxisPowersHetalia France and China]].

May [[@/Gwiizmo I]] ass one thing, the theme tune is the same.

* Batman is also watching the new, and [[Film/TheDarkKnight is probably reminded of what the Joker said]].

* [[Film/TheDarkKnight Batman is probably reminded of what the Joker said.]]

* Then he's right about [[Film/TheDarkKnight people being just as ugly as he is]]. Batman is probably reminded of what the Joker said.

[[WMG: The movie is a (direct?) sequel to ''WesternAnimation/SupermanDoomsday''.]]

[[WMG: Superman is, in fact, the villain.]]
Let's start with classic {{Superdickery}}. In the first ten minutes alone, Superman manages to wreck multiple buildings during a fight. He then uses a yell so powerful it shatters tons of glass. During the middle of the day. These are skyscrapers, and therefore, likely occupied. When glass comes flying at people, it does so indiscriminately and randomly. It is never stated that there was no collateral damage in their fight, so it can be reasonably assumed that the glass killed people. Superman has plenty of powers, he didn't need to not only steal from Black Canary, but cause even more destruction in the process. He could have used heat vision, super speed, flight or his freeze breath to deal with the situation at hand. He could have just popped into space for a second to solve the problem. But no, he destroyed everything around him in anger. Then, when he is rightfully getting flack for this massive destruction, he manages to completely ignore the problem and instead give a speech. At no point does he say anything to the effect of "I'll fix everything, don't worry." In fact, there's never any indication that he fixes all the things he breaks. In fact, seeing as the kind of impacts he creates on a daily basis not only devastate the streets (and seriously, the government hates fixing those things), but causes massive earthquake-like rumbles. These would, of course, destroy tons of property on their own. Add to that the occasional super-shout or pointless tossing through a building and you have millions of dollars in destruction in about a week. On top of this, he condemns the Atomic Skull to what is basically slavery, powering the city against his will. Seeing as this also means he cannot ever leave his cell, this would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. In addition to enslaving the Atomic Skull, he also leaves him in a cell clearly not designed to hold him, seeing as a single power outage lets him get loose. Superman has access to superscience from Krypton. He could easily craft a cell that the Atomic Skull could never escape from. Another problem is the Superman robots. They are clearly similar in power level to him, meaning that he has an army of Supermen that could descend anywhere and do anything. Superman has an army that could destroy pretty much any country, super hero or military that fights him. On top of that, he hates it when anyone challenges his world view, to the point of trying to ruin their lives, and stripping them of their powers. Plenty of other heroes have killed, and he has not stripped them of their powers. On top of this, he holds Manchester Black's power outburst against him because it killed people, despite the fact that Black could not have possibly controlled the outburst, and again, other heroes have accidentally killed others in the past. Seeing as the British government wiped his record, he was legally exonerated for this "crime". As for killing his father, other League members have also done similar things, and killing an abusive drunk is about a 1 on the scale of evil. Plus, again, exonerated by the British government. As for Superman getting pissed off about the idea of killing soldiers, well, what the hell do you think soldiers do? Besides, unless you end every war automatically (and he doesn't), he is being massively hypocritical for caring about this war between two little countries. As for him being opposed to killing the Atomic Skull, he was only dooming more and more people to die. Atomic Skull showed no other goals besides for "Crush, Kill, Destroy". He was after nothing but a bit of fun. He's like [[AClockworkOrange Alex DeLarge]] with superpowers. Superman refuses to imprison him correctly, leading to even his own friends getting killed.
* TLDR: Superman is a PhysicalGod with an army of robots with similar powers. His fights cause millions of dollars in destruction every week, as well as, going by logic, plenty of collateral. On top of this, if you violate his code, he will make you stop. He also does not care if something was an accident or if you were forgiven by the country you are a citizen of. He will also condemn you for doing things his allies have done. In addition to this hypocritical behavior, he only interferes in some wars, while letting others wage on. If you are not one of his allies and you violate his code repeatedly, he will strip you of your powers. If you are, he'll let you go (for example, Wonder Woman). Basically, he's a god with an army of extremely powerful inhuman beings with a frail ego and extremely harsh punishments for those who oppose him, but will support his followers doing the exact same things, because they are on his side.
** I'm sorry, but I think you miss the point.
*** First off, collateral damage happens. He was probably trying to minizing it as best as he can. The Elite didn't care. And in the final battle, it was part of his ruse to scare the Elite and had did have his robots to prevent people from getting killed.
*** Secondly, Superman's point is he is not above the law and wants the courts to deliver justice. It was the police, the courts and prison were probably the ones who put Atomic Skull is his cell. It's the courts job to decide if Atomic Skull should get the death penality. Ergo, blame should be placed on the judge and jury, not Superman.
*** The British government denying Black's existence isn't the same as being exonerated and/or being forgiven. It was the British government washing their hands of a sociopath they trained.
*** Regarding Black's killing of his father and Superman's teammates doing similar acts, his teammates are usually repentant and usually don't do nearly half the things Black didn't most of the time (Hal Jordan aside, but even then, that was Retconned as he was being controled at the time and hence largely not his fault); Black didn't regret a single thing he did. Moreover, comparing Wonder Woman to Max Lord, Wonder Woman killing Max Lord was to save one her friend and free another from Lord's control. The power burst with the train was the only thing that could be excused as an "accident", everything else Black and his gang did was in ''cold blood''. Black deliberately murdered his father, and he and the Elite purposely killed the terrorists, and the governments of the warring nations.
**** There's a definite argument that nothing we know of that Manchester did ''before'' forming The Elite is something for which he should be punished. A minor killing an abusive father, and unintentionally killing people aboard a train when trying to save his sister using powers he doesn't yet understand or fully know how to use, is understandable (self-defence in the first case, involuntary manslaughter with a crapload of mitigating circumstances in the latter, both by a minor). For the Elite, though: even if killing Atomic Skull was arguable justifiable, the terrorists were regular humans and could easily be put on trial and safely contained in prison - killing them was vigilante execution, plain and simple.

**** There's a definite argument that nothing we know of that Manchester did ''before'' forming The Elite is something for which he should be punished. A minor killing an abusive father, and unintentionally killing people aboard a train when trying to save his sister using powers he doesn't yet understand or fully know how to use, is understandable (self-defence in the first case, involuntary manslaughter with a crapload of mitigating circumstances in the latter, both by a minor). For the Elite, though: even if killing Atomic Skull was arguable justifiable, the terrorists were regular humans and could easily be put on trial and safely contained in prison - killing them was vigilante execution, plain and simple.

**** There's a definite argument that nothing we know of that Manchester did ''before'' forming The Elite is something for which he should be punished. A minor killing an abusive father, and unintentionally killing people aboard a train when trying to save his sister using powers he doesn't yet understand or fully know how to use, is understandable (self-defence in the first case, involuntary manslaughter with a crapload of mitigating circumstances in the latter, both by a minor).

*** Regarding Black's killing of his father and Superman's teammates doing similar acts, his teammates are usually repentant and usually don't do nearly half the things Black didn't most of the time (Hal Jordan aside, but even then, that was Retconned as he was being controled at the time and hence largely not his fault); Black didn't regret a single thing he did. Moreover, comparing Wonder Woman to Max Lord, Wonder Woman killing Max Lord was to save one her friend and free another from Lord's control. The power burst with the train was the only thing that could be excused as an "accident", everything else Black and his gang did was in ''cold blood''. Black deliberately murdered his father, and he and the Elite purposely killed the terrorists, and the governments of the warring nations.

*** First off, collateral damage happens. He was probably trying to minizing it as best as he can. The Elite didn't care.

*** Regarding Black's killing of his father and Superman's teammates doing similar acts, his teammates are usually repentant and don't do nearly half the things Black didn't most of the time; Black didn't regret a single thing he did. Moreover, comparing Wonder Woman to Max Lord, Wonder Woman killing Max Lord was to save one her friend and free another from Lord's control. The power burst with the train was the only thing that could be excused as an "accident", everything else Black and his gang did was in ''cold blood''. Black deliberately murdered his father, and he and the Elite purposely killed the terrorists, and the governments of the warring nations.

*** The British government denying Black's existence isn't the same as being exonerated and/or being forgiven. It was the British government washing their hands of a sociopath.
*** Regarding Black's killing of his father and Superman's teammates doing similar acts, his teammates are usually repentant; Black didn't regret a single thing he did. Moreover, comparing Wonder Woman to Max Lord, Wonder Woman killing Max Lord was to save one her friend and free another from Lord's control. The power burst with the train was the only thing that could be excused as an "accident", everything else Black and his gang did was in ''cold blood''. Black deliberately murdered his father, and he and the Elite purposely killedthe terrorists, and the governments of the warring nations.

* TLDR: Superman is a PhysicalGod with an army of robots with similar powers. His fights cause millions of dollars in destruction every week, as well as, going by logic, plenty of collateral. On top of this, if you violate his code, he will make you stop. He also does not care if something was an accident or if you were forgiven by the country you are a citizen of. He will also condemn you for doing things his allies have done. In addition to this hypocritical behavior, he only interferes in some wars, while letting others wage on. If you are not one of his allies and you violate his code repeatedly, he will strip you of your powers. If you are, he'll let you go (for example, Wonder Woman). Basically, he's a god with an army of extremely powerful inhuman beings with a frail ego and extremely harsh punishments for those who oppose him, but will support his followers doing the exact same things, because they are on his side.

Let's start with classic {{Superdickery}}. In the first ten minutes alone, Superman manages to wreck multiple buildings during a fight. He then uses a yell so powerful it shatters tons of glass. During the middle of the day. These are skyscrapers, and therefore, likely occupied. When glass comes flying at people, it does so indiscriminately and randomly. It is never stated that there was no collateral damage in their fight, so it can be reasonably assumed that the glass killed people. Superman has plenty of powers, he didn't need to not only steal from Black Canary, but cause even more destruction in the process. He could have used heat vision, super speed, flight or his freeze breath to deal with the situation at hand. He could have just popped into space for a second to solve the problem. But no, he destroyed everything around him in anger. Then, when he is rightfully getting flack for this massive destruction, he manages to completely ignore the problem and instead give a speech. At no point does he say anything to the effect of "I'll fix everything, don't worry." In fact, there's never any indication that he fixes all the things he breaks. In fact, seeing as the kind of impacts he creates on a daily basis not only devastate the streets (and seriously, the government hates fixing those things), but causes massive earthquake-like rumbles. These would, of course, destroy tons of property on their own. Add to that the occasional super-shout or pointless tossing through a building and you have millions of dollars in destruction in about a week. On top of this, he condemns the Atomic Skull to what is basically slavery, powering the city against his will. Seeing as this also means he cannot ever leave his cell, this would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. In addition to enslaving the Atomic Skull, he also leaves him in a cell clearly not designed to hold him, seeing as a single power outage lets him get loose. Superman has access to superscience from Krypton. He could easily craft a cell that the Atomic Skull could never escape from. Another problem is the Superman robots. They are clearly similar in power level to him, meaning that he has an army of Supermen that could descend anywhere and do anything. Superman has an army that could destroy pretty much any country, super hero or military that fights him. On top of that, he hates it when anyone challenges his world view, to the point of trying to ruin their lives, and stripping them of their powers. Plenty of other heroes have killed, and he has not stripped them of their powers. On top of this, he holds Manchester Black's power outburst against him because it killed people, despite the fact that Black could not have possibly controlled the outburst, and again, other heroes have accidentally killed others in the past. Seeing as the British government wiped his record, he was legally exonerated for this "crime". As for killing his father, other League members have also done similar things, and killing an abusive drunk is about a 1 on the scale of evil. Plus, again, exonerated by the British government. TBC, edit lock incoming.