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* {{Jossed}}, information from the records of the Dewan people and the New Romulus History chips revealed that they were a slave using race who simply walked through a gateway and let their slaves get killed instead of them when there was a revolt.
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* On the other hand, having your planet blow'd up and basically being kicked off out of your homes wont leave you very happy. 200K years definitely won't numb that kind of pain. Plus even though the TNG episode says they probably weren't conquerorers it actually does still leave it ambiguous as we have no idea what actually happened. As you stated no Iconian weapons were ''discovered.'' Just because I can walk down a street in New York City and not see a nuclear missile doesn't mean the US doesn't have any. Conatagion and later To the Death never give any evidence about the Iconians as a people just showing what people would do with their tech. "Power Corrupts."
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* On the other hand, having your planet blow'd up and basically being kicked off out of your homes wont leave you very happy. 200K years definitely won't numb that kind of pain. Plus even though the TNG episode says they probably weren't conquerorers conquerors it actually does still leave it ambiguous as we have no idea what actually happened. As you stated no Iconian weapons were ''discovered.'' Just because I can walk down a street in New York City and not see a nuclear missile doesn't mean the US doesn't have any. Conatagion "Contagion" and later To "To the Death Death" never give any evidence about the Iconians as a people just showing what people would do with their tech. "Power Corrupts."
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To the Death in Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine established that they built structures with Neutronium and STO shows them using Antiproton Anti-proton weaponry exclusively. Which is exactly what the Doomsday Machine is.
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One faction dedicated to preserving sentient life, and another dedicated to conquering/destroying it.
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One faction dedicated to preserving sentient life, and another dedicated to conquering/destroying it. \n The unusual appearance of the Iconians seen in artwork might simply be full body suits they wear to look intimidating.
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** The Tie-in Novel ''The Needs of the Many'' confirm Anslem was published a couple of decades earlier.
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** And semi-jossed as well. The arc deals with the 2800 ships from the dominion war whisked into the cornfield by the Prophets. The actual Dominion is staying hands off except to get their fleet back and aren't even returning the Federation's calls. [[Spoiler: The reason is that Dominion knows the Iconians are coming and Eraun states the Dominion policy is to stay the hell away from them and let the Iconians do what they want. SummonBiggerFish applies to them as well it seems.]]
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** And semi-jossed as well. The arc deals with the 2800 ships from the dominion war whisked into the cornfield by the Prophets. The actual Dominion is staying hands off except to get their fleet back and aren't even returning the Federation's calls. [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: The reason is that Dominion knows the Iconians are coming and Eraun states the Dominion policy is to stay the hell away from them and let the Iconians do what they want. SummonBiggerFish applies to them as well it seems.]]
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** And semi-jossed as well. The arc deals with the 2800 ships from the dominion war whisked into the cornfield by the Prophets. The actual Dominion is staying hands off except to get their fleet back and aren't even returning the Federation's calls. [[Spoiler: The reason is that Dominion knows the Iconians are coming and Eraun states the Dominion policy is to stay the hell away from them and let the Iconians do what they want. SummonBiggerFish applies to them as well it seems.]]
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* On the other hand, having your planet blow'd up and basically being kicked off out of your homes wont leave you very happy. 200K years definitely won't numb that kind of pain. Plus even though the TNG episode says they probably weren't conquerorers it actually does still leave it ambiguous as we have no idea what actually happened. As you stated no Iconian weapons were ''discovered.'' Just because I can walk down a street in New York City and not see a nuclear missile doesn't mean the US doesn't have any. Conatagion and later To the Death never give any evidence about the Iconians as a people just showing what people would do with their tech. "Power Corrupts."
[[WMG: The Iconians built the Doomsday Machines.]]
To the Death in DS9 established that they built structures with Neutronium and STO shows them using Antiproton weaponry exclusively. Which is exactly what the Doomsday Machine is.
[[WMG: The Iconians built the Doomsday Machines.]]
To the Death in DS9 established that they built structures with Neutronium and STO shows them using Antiproton weaponry exclusively. Which is exactly what the Doomsday Machine is.
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[[WMG:The tutorial sessions takes place on the holodeck as SecretTestOfCharacter]]
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All promising officers are given the test. Those that pass are given command.
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[[WMG: If/when ''StarTrek'' returns to television, it will follow the basic plot of ''STO'']]
It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
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[[WMG: If/when ''StarTrek'' ''Franchise/StarTrek'' returns to television, it will follow the basic plot of ''STO'']]
It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using''StarTrekOnline'' ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using
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As in [[StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Emissary]]. It would explain the FridgeLogic in him being [[spoiler: old enough to have been around in Kirk's days ''and'' still being so spry in 2409 - he was in cryo-sleep for a goodly portion of the time in between, and so isn't actually 170 years old in terms of biological age!]].
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As in [[StarTrekTheNextGeneration [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Emissary]]. It would explain the FridgeLogic in him being [[spoiler: old enough to have been around in Kirk's days ''and'' still being so spry in 2409 - he was in cryo-sleep for a goodly portion of the time in between, and so isn't actually 170 years old in terms of biological age!]].
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Notice that we have never directly seen or interacted with an Iconian in the game and neither have any of the NPCs, including people that should have. The only hints that the Iconians control the Tal Shiar come from people like Obisek, leader of the Reman resistance, who have no firsthand, direct knowledge.
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Notice that we have never directly seen or interacted with an Iconian in the game and neither have any of the NPCs, [=NPCs=], including people that should have. The only hints that the Iconians control the Tal Shiar come from people like Obisek, leader of the Reman resistance, who have no firsthand, direct knowledge.
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** As of the fourth episode of the arc, released 3/3/2012, [[spoiler:'''confirmed'''. The mission "Outpost 4209" gives you a Jem'Hadar Bridge Officer as its reward the first time. They can consume Ketracel White and get buffed for ''ten minutes''.]]
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[[WMG: The Iconians haven't really come back. It's all a plot by the Tal Shiar, who have access to Iconian science and technology.]]
Notice that we have never directly seen or interacted with an Iconian in the game and neither have any of the NPCs, including people that should have. The only hints that the Iconians control the Tal Shiar come from people like Obisek, leader of the Reman resistance, who have no firsthand, direct knowledge.
The "Iconians" also captured Empress Sela, a known enemy of the Tal Shiar who attempted to assassinate the head of the order...a kidnapping done with Romulan ships and equipment. Why is it necessary to assume an alien force made the Tal Shiar capture someone who is already their enemy?
In addition, in the "Countdown" comics, it was established the Romulans are hungry for revenge after the supernova, and their modus operandi for this revenge is to reverse-engineer captured technology from more advanced alien races, like the Borg technology to create Nero's ship, the Narada.
The Iconians as malevolent ancient conquerors contradicts what we've learned about them from the episodes, which presented them as a scientifically advanced culture destroyed by less advanced races who feared them for their science. The TV episodes featuring the Iconians like "Contagion" strongly hinted that they were never conquerors. Zero evidence is presented for the view they were warlike, as, Picard himself pointed out, no Iconian weapons were ever discovered: the only known Iconian "weapon" is a probe that disrupts computers, though even that, disrupting computers, might be an accident without malevolent intent.
Picard speculated that the Iconians were not malevolent or warlike, but were feared and misunderstood by less technologically advanced races. If they really were aggressive conquerors, would less advanced races have really destroyed their homeworld?
Notice that we have never directly seen or interacted with an Iconian in the game and neither have any of the NPCs, including people that should have. The only hints that the Iconians control the Tal Shiar come from people like Obisek, leader of the Reman resistance, who have no firsthand, direct knowledge.
The "Iconians" also captured Empress Sela, a known enemy of the Tal Shiar who attempted to assassinate the head of the order...a kidnapping done with Romulan ships and equipment. Why is it necessary to assume an alien force made the Tal Shiar capture someone who is already their enemy?
In addition, in the "Countdown" comics, it was established the Romulans are hungry for revenge after the supernova, and their modus operandi for this revenge is to reverse-engineer captured technology from more advanced alien races, like the Borg technology to create Nero's ship, the Narada.
The Iconians as malevolent ancient conquerors contradicts what we've learned about them from the episodes, which presented them as a scientifically advanced culture destroyed by less advanced races who feared them for their science. The TV episodes featuring the Iconians like "Contagion" strongly hinted that they were never conquerors. Zero evidence is presented for the view they were warlike, as, Picard himself pointed out, no Iconian weapons were ever discovered: the only known Iconian "weapon" is a probe that disrupts computers, though even that, disrupting computers, might be an accident without malevolent intent.
Picard speculated that the Iconians were not malevolent or warlike, but were feared and misunderstood by less technologically advanced races. If they really were aggressive conquerors, would less advanced races have really destroyed their homeworld?
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[[WMG:The reward for completing the Dominion featured series arc will be a Jem'Hadar Bridge Officer]]
[[http://www.stowiki.org/Ketracel_White Ketracel White]] can't just be there for [[VendorTrash replicator trash]], right?
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[[http://www.stowiki.org/Ketracel_White Ketracel White]] can't just be there for [[VendorTrash replicator trash]], right?
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** [[spoiler: Nooo... You tried to stop it but failed. However you managed to kill the guy who did so and grab the girl he used to do so.]]
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*This is a theory I kept coming back to. Hes gotta be working with someone.
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** The fun gameplay bit coming from the fact that the tech she needs is Klingon, and, well, [[{{Understatement}} that's just a hair problematic now]].
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** The fun gameplay bit coming from the fact that the tech she needs is Klingon, and, well, [[{{Understatement}} that's just a hair problematic now]].now.
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Sure, they may have gotten kicked in the teeth at the end of DS9, but with this much chaos abounding, you can't really believe they'll stay in their pudding planet for long.
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Sure, they may have gotten kicked in the teeth at the end of DS9, ''Deep Space Nine'', but with this much chaos abounding, you can't really believe they'll stay in their pudding planet for long.
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As in [[StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Emissary]]. It would explain the FridgeLogic in him being [[spoiler: old enough to have been around in Kirk's days ''and'' still being so spry in 2404 - he was in cryo-sleep for a goodly portion of the time in between, and so isn't actually 170 years old in terms of biological age!]].
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As in [[StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Emissary]]. It would explain the FridgeLogic in him being [[spoiler: old enough to have been around in Kirk's days ''and'' still being so spry in 2404 2409 - he was in cryo-sleep for a goodly portion of the time in between, and so isn't actually 170 years old in terms of biological age!]].
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[[WMG:B'Vat went on a long-term mission at some point.]]
As in [[StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Emissary]]. It would explain the FridgeLogic in him being [[spoiler: old enough to have been around in Kirk's days ''and'' still being so spry in 2404 - he was in cryo-sleep for a goodly portion of the time in between, and so isn't actually 170 years old in terms of biological age!]].
As in [[StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Emissary]]. It would explain the FridgeLogic in him being [[spoiler: old enough to have been around in Kirk's days ''and'' still being so spry in 2404 - he was in cryo-sleep for a goodly portion of the time in between, and so isn't actually 170 years old in terms of biological age!]].
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[[WMG:The Iconians weren't bombed for being bastards.]]
They were a standard Precursor Race but then got nuked halfway into oblivion. 200'000 years later, they're still a little sore.
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It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
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It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.awesome.
It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
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[[WMG:The Iconians weren't bombed for being bastards.]]
They were a standard Precursor Race but then got nuked halfway into oblivion. 200'000 years later, they're still a little sore.
* Alternatively, 200'000 years is a long time for things to change and people to get over things. An imperialistic Iconian government has arisen to power in the interim, and now they are getting involved in the galaxy for their own reasons. They're just using a tech advantage garnered from 200'000 years of space-faring history.
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It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
[[folder:Spoiler Stuff.]]
[[WMG:The Iconians weren't bombed for being bastards.]]
They were a standard Precursor Race but then got nuked halfway into oblivion. 200'000 years later, they're still a little sore.
* Alternatively, 200'000 years is a long time for things to change and people to get over things. An imperialistic Iconian government has arisen to power in the interim, and now they are getting involved in the galaxy for their own reasons. They're just using a tech advantage garnered from 200'000 years of space-faring history.
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*Actually pretty jossed. [[spoiler: It's all an Iconian plot. They riled up the Undine, who riled up the Alpha Quad powers into war to weaken them (and in the Romulan's case, wreck their shit badly (bad enough that some of them WORK for the Iconians). They're doing this to make the galaxy an easier target for them when they come back. (and it is a matter of when...)]]
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Sure, they may have gotten kicked in the teeth at the end of DS9, but with this much chaos abounding, you can't really believe they'll stay in their pudding planet for long.long.
[[WMG: If/when ''StarTrek'' returns to television, it will follow the basic plot of ''STO'']]
It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
[[WMG: If/when ''StarTrek'' returns to television, it will follow the basic plot of ''STO'']]
It seems likely that the franchise is going to come back to TV sometime in the future, given the popularity of the most recent film. Since there's so much more 'official' involvement in the game then there has been for any ExpandedUniverse material, could it be possible that the Powers That Be are using ''StarTrekOnline'' as a testing ground for new TV series ideas? That would be awesome.
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* You mean we'll get to see [[http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Geordi_La_Forge,_Timeless.jpg Captain LaForge]] of the USS ''Challenger''?
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* You mean we'll get to see [[http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Geordi_La_Forge,_Timeless.jpg Captain LaForge]] of the USS ''Challenger''?
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*** Actually, in the recent Season 2 content update, the Klingon Episodes feature an elder Worf alive and well as an adviser to house Martok. He appears to be dedicated to preserving house Martok, and does not appear to have been replaced yet. As far as I've seen, thus-far this is his only appearance, and perhaps we may well seen his prophesied death in-game.
