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12th Aug '17 3:19:00 AM SeptimusHeap
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-->[[{{Lolicon}} Scene that would be illegal to broadcast]] on ''any'' medium ensues...

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7th Aug '17 7:42:05 PM beatpole
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When McCoy saved Edith Keeler he created an alternate timeline where the Nazis won WWII and conquered the world, destroying Federation civilization and replacing it with the fascist Terran Empire. When Kirk and Spock travelled back in time to stop McCoy from saving her they were able to return to their own timeline but, because of a temporal paradox created by the Guardian, the Alternate Universe wasn't destroyed and remained intertwined with the original universe, allowing occassional crossovers under certain conditions. Historical chhanges prior to WWII, such as the literary differences noted by Dr. Phlox, are actually historical revisionism or propaganda.

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When McCoy saved Edith Keeler he created an alternate timeline where the Nazis won WWII and conquered the world, destroying Federation civilization and replacing it with the fascist Terran Empire. When Kirk and Spock travelled back in time to stop McCoy from saving her they were able to return to their own timeline but, because of a temporal paradox created by the Guardian, the Alternate Universe wasn't destroyed and remained intertwined with the original universe, allowing occassional crossovers under certain conditions. Historical chhanges changes prior to WWII, such as the literary differences noted by Dr. Phlox, are actually historical revisionism or propaganda.
7th Aug '17 6:53:57 PM beatpole
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[[WMG: The Mirror Universe was created by the Guardian of Forever.]]
When McCoy saved Edith Keeler he created an alternate timeline where the Nazis won WWII and conquered the world, destroying Federation civilization and replacing it with the fascist Terran Empire. When Kirk and Spock travelled back in time to stop McCoy from saving her they were able to return to their own timeline but, because of a temporal paradox created by the Guardian, the Alternate Universe wasn't destroyed and remained intertwined with the original universe, allowing occassional crossovers under certain conditions. Historical chhanges prior to WWII, such as the literary differences noted by Dr. Phlox, are actually historical revisionism or propaganda.
2nd Aug '17 5:51:30 PM FTD
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[[WMG: Tribbles are the evolved descendants of all interfertile humanoid Federation species]]
Tom Paris' "evolution" in VGR: "Threshold" into a nonsentient lifeform indicates this might be humanity's future in the Prime Universe timeline. At some future point in time, humanity and many other interfertile Federations species who are peaceful by nature and live for pleasure and kindness (humans, Bolians, Betazoids, some Trill, etc) or at least, peace and stoicism, even a soothing calmness (Vulcans, most Trill, etc) interbreed and most of the Federation is one blended species with the exception of a few nonhumanoid and other non-interfertile species that can't make babies with humans, Vulcans or Betazoids. Eventually this blended species becomes so dependent on technology that organic, natural intelligence becomes a vestigial feature, their artificial intelligence is that good. The AI realizes what this dependence has cost humanoids: they are no longer curious or intelligent, they lack limbs or protective characteristics other than being soft and pleasant enough that most civilizations except Klingons, Talarians, Cardassians, etc, the warrior cultures and hardened militaristic states. Tribbles react poorly to them, and they react poorly to Tribbles. The Tribbles in the present timeline of Star Trak have been sent back in time from the far future by their AI caretakers to have a chance to redevelop sentience by interacting with their distant ancestors.
18th Jul '17 7:37:31 AM ijffdrie
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With the Klingon's it's obvious: they're an empire, what we think of as "the Klingon language" is actually their analogue to Mandarin Chinese - a common tongue for all the provinces. The Andorians? Italian is a constructed language based on various Italic languages, the Andorian Empire could have done something similar. Maybe the Tellarites use their version of Esperanto to communicate? And it's possible that Surak created the Vulcan language, as something like Lojban. All the humans in Star Trek probably have a {{CommonTongue}} as well - maybe a constructed language like Lojban or a majority language like English or Mandarin. I'm guessing it's Lojban and most other species just call it "Human".

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With the Klingon's it's obvious: they're an empire, what we think of as "the Klingon language" is actually their analogue to Mandarin Chinese - a common tongue for all the provinces. The Andorians? Italian is a constructed language based on various Italic languages, the Andorian Empire could have done something similar. Maybe the Tellarites use their version of Esperanto to communicate? And it's possible that Surak created the Vulcan language, as something like Lojban. All the humans in Star Trek probably have a {{CommonTongue}} as well - maybe a constructed language like Lojban or a majority language like English or Mandarin. I'm guessing it's Lojban and most other species just call it "Human"."Human".

[[WMG: World war 3 was triggered by warp drive development]]
Due to the limited resources available after an apocalypse, and the fact that warp drives are pretty complicated, it stands to reason that the bulk of warp theory was developed prior to all that going down. Now, look at warp capability from the perspective of a cold war-style conflict. Not only does it mean that you can launch an undetected first strike against your enemy, it also means that your second strike capability would never become damaged. Any nation with warp capability would have an insurmountable advantage against any nation that didn't. For that reason, it's likely that any nation developing warp drive would try to keep it under wraps, but the discovery of such technology could easily trigger a very rapid escalation (explaining how the cause of the war could be lost to history).
15th Jul '17 10:50:15 AM nombretomado
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* Except that it's the reverse. In the Shatnerverse novels and his memoirs, Bill writes plainly that Kirk acts like he does because Carol abandoned him, and took David away. Kirk, heartbroken, loves the Enterprise as his wife, the officers and crew as his children, and being human, satisfies himself with a different "Space Babe of the Week" because that's what Gene Roddenberry actually did during WW2 as a bomber pilot bedding nurses between sorties while his wife waited at home. Kirk onscreen was Gene in real life, and Shatner didn't like kissing a different woman every week because he thought about his wife differently: He respected her. Too bad Bill lost her, as he says, "Every TV show cost me a wife."

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* Except that it's the reverse. In the Shatnerverse novels and his memoirs, Bill writes plainly that Kirk acts like he does because Carol abandoned him, and took David away. Kirk, heartbroken, loves the Enterprise as his wife, the officers and crew as his children, and being human, satisfies himself with a different "Space Babe of the Week" because that's what Gene Roddenberry actually did during WW2 UsefulNotes/WW2 as a bomber pilot bedding nurses between sorties while his wife waited at home. Kirk onscreen was Gene in real life, and Shatner didn't like kissing a different woman every week because he thought about his wife differently: He respected her. Too bad Bill lost her, as he says, "Every TV show cost me a wife."



[[WMG: The Dominion War is a giant WW2 Allegory]]

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[[WMG: The Dominion War is a giant WW2 UsefulNotes/WW2 Allegory]]



* If the Breen are stand-ins for the Japanese role in World War Two, then wouldn't the attack on San Francisco be more analogous to Pearl Harbor? Their energy weapon could still stand in for V1 and V2 bombs, but the event was definitely Pearl Harbor.
* Not really; it is possible to have a war that is not WorldWarII. It is even possible to have a war between good and evil that is not WorldWarII.

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* If the Breen are stand-ins for the Japanese role in World War Two, then wouldn't the attack on San Francisco be more analogous to Pearl Harbor? Their energy weapon could still stand in for V1 [=V1=] and V2 [=V2=] bombs, but the event was definitely Pearl Harbor.
* Not really; it is possible to have a war that is not WorldWarII. UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. It is even possible to have a war between good and evil that is not WorldWarII.
World War II.
17th Jun '17 1:26:18 PM nombretomado
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** This also more directly parallels the USA entering the conflict during World War 1. In WW1, the USA got involved in the combat because Germany accidentally shot down a US Ship which was not in a combat mission and in [=DS=]9, the Romulans get into the war because it seems that the Cardassians shot down a Romulan ship which was not in a combat mission.

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** This also more directly parallels the USA entering the conflict during World War 1. UsefulNotes/WorldWarI In WW1, [=WW1=], the USA got involved in the combat because Germany accidentally shot down a US Ship which was not in a combat mission and in [=DS=]9, the Romulans get into the war because it seems that the Cardassians shot down a Romulan ship which was not in a combat mission.
4th Jun '17 12:32:37 PM nombretomado
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** But... isn't this basically true for ''every work of fiction on TvTropes''?

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** But... isn't this basically true for ''every work of fiction on TvTropes''?
Wiki/TVTropes''?
10th May '17 7:42:42 PM GrammarNavi
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It was an alien. The earliest Star Trek episodes had stardates in the 1300s, 1500s, 1600s and 1700s. The 1400s are missing. Around stardate 1400, Janice Rand had been part of a landing party exploring a planet when one of the natives leaped onto her head, attaching itself. They hadn't realized at first it was sentient, since it looked nothing like a human being. It instead looked like a beehive hairdo. They were so non-humanoid, Mr. Spock took weeks to try to communicate with it, and Dr. McCoy was unable to successfully extract it. During the weeks they worked on the problem, the alien gradually inserted tendrils into her brain. Finally, around stardate 1500, Spock was able to make contact with it, but by that time it was either unable or unwilling to extract itself from her. But it does agree to try to avoid any harm or interference with her duties. After eight episodes the alien was still attached to Janice Rand's head, so another ship took her to a new assignment at a Starfleet research facility. By the time of The Motion Picture they had gotten the alien removed and sent back to its home planet.

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It was an alien. The earliest Star Trek episodes had stardates in the 1300s, 1500s, 1600s and 1700s. The 1400s are missing. Around stardate 1400, Janice Rand had been part of a landing party exploring a planet when one of the natives leaped onto her head, attaching itself. They hadn't realized at first it was sentient, since it looked nothing like a human being. It instead looked like a beehive hairdo. They were so non-humanoid, Mr. Spock took weeks to try to communicate with it, and Dr. McCoy [=McCoy=] was unable to successfully extract it. During the weeks they worked on the problem, the alien gradually inserted tendrils into her brain. Finally, around stardate 1500, Spock was able to make contact with it, but by that time it was either unable or unwilling to extract itself from her. But it does agree to try to avoid any harm or interference with her duties. After eight episodes the alien was still attached to Janice Rand's head, so another ship took her to a new assignment at a Starfleet research facility. By the time of The Motion Picture they had gotten the alien removed and sent back to its home planet.
3rd May '17 11:41:55 PM VigilantSycamore
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They tried to use their Force powers and technology, but it didn't work well enough in our galaxy and their plans failed.

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They tried to use their Force powers and technology, but it didn't work well enough in our galaxy and their plans failed.failed.

[[WMG: There's a Human Language too.]]
All the aliens in Star Trek seem to have one language for the entire species, with just some differences between dialects. Why is this?
With the Klingon's it's obvious: they're an empire, what we think of as "the Klingon language" is actually their analogue to Mandarin Chinese - a common tongue for all the provinces. The Andorians? Italian is a constructed language based on various Italic languages, the Andorian Empire could have done something similar. Maybe the Tellarites use their version of Esperanto to communicate? And it's possible that Surak created the Vulcan language, as something like Lojban. All the humans in Star Trek probably have a {{CommonTongue}} as well - maybe a constructed language like Lojban or a majority language like English or Mandarin. I'm guessing it's Lojban and most other species just call it "Human".
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