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[[WMG: Specter Knight will go through the OoNQ stages in reverse. ]]
It's a story about recruiting them; he'll start at the Tower of Fate and go backwards, culminating in the massacre of the town that would become the Lich yard.
It's a story about recruiting them; he'll start at the Tower of Fate and go backwards, culminating in the massacre of the town that would become the Lich yard.
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[[WMG: Specter Knight will go through the OoNQ stages in reverse. ]]
It's a story about recruiting them; he'll start at the Tower of Fate and go backwards, culminating in the massacre of the town that would become the Lichyard.yard.
[[WMG: King Knight will not have armors.]]
King Knight's ''fabulously regal'' style is much too iconic to change! Instead, King Knight will get different effects from different crowns, crafted by none other than the famous haberdasher, Mr. Hat! Baz got a bigger role in ''Plague of Shadows'', and Rieze and Phantom Striker each seem to get their time in the spotlight of ''Specter of Torment'', so there's only one Wandering Traveler left to make their mark on a member of the order. Alternatively...
[[WMG: King Knight will have armors, and his version of the ornate plate will be the most redundant.]]
Both Shovel Knight and Plague Knight have had golden, sparkly armor, and Specter Knight likely will have one as well. Despite having gold from the beginning, King Knight will have the option to buy a golden armor as well. It's only effect will be to make his armor sparkle, which his original armor won't do [[spoiler:because it'll be revealed to be made of [[AllThatGlitters fool's gold]].]]
It's a story about recruiting them; he'll start at the Tower of Fate and go backwards, culminating in the massacre of the town that would become the Lich
[[WMG: King Knight will not have armors.]]
King Knight's ''fabulously regal'' style is much too iconic to change! Instead, King Knight will get different effects from different crowns, crafted by none other than the famous haberdasher, Mr. Hat! Baz got a bigger role in ''Plague of Shadows'', and Rieze and Phantom Striker each seem to get their time in the spotlight of ''Specter of Torment'', so there's only one Wandering Traveler left to make their mark on a member of the order. Alternatively...
[[WMG: King Knight will have armors, and his version of the ornate plate will be the most redundant.]]
Both Shovel Knight and Plague Knight have had golden, sparkly armor, and Specter Knight likely will have one as well. Despite having gold from the beginning, King Knight will have the option to buy a golden armor as well. It's only effect will be to make his armor sparkle, which his original armor won't do [[spoiler:because it'll be revealed to be made of [[AllThatGlitters fool's gold]].]]
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[[WMG: King Knight's campaign title will follow the theme naming of those before it.]]
It will be called "King of Fools."
It will be called "King of Fools."
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[[WMG: King Knight's campaign will take place after the main game.]]
Similarly to how Specter Knight's campaign is a prequel that will show how the Enchantress came to power, King Knight's story will be a sequel, and he will attempt to fill the [[EvilPowerVacuum power vacuum]] left after her defeat.
Similarly to how Specter Knight's campaign is a prequel that will show how the Enchantress came to power, King Knight's story will be a sequel, and he will attempt to fill the [[EvilPowerVacuum power vacuum]] left after her defeat.
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He is seen in the trailer as the boss of the Lich Yard, or at least, a place with a Lich Yard tileset.
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He is seen in the trailer as the boss of the Lich Yard, or at least, a place with a Lich Yard tileset.tileset.
[[WMG: Specter Knight will go through the OoNQ stages in reverse. ]]
It's a story about recruiting them; he'll start at the Tower of Fate and go backwards, culminating in the massacre of the town that would become the Lich yard.
[[WMG: Specter Knight will go through the OoNQ stages in reverse. ]]
It's a story about recruiting them; he'll start at the Tower of Fate and go backwards, culminating in the massacre of the town that would become the Lich yard.
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[[WMG: Phantom Striker will be a more major boss in Specter of Torment.]]
He is seen in the trailer as the boss of the Lich Yard, or at least, a place with a Lich Yard tileset.
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The trailer for ''Specter of Torment'' shows Specter Knight encountering Shield Knight back when he was still alive where she warned him to stay where he was. Since ''Specter of Torment'' is a confirmed prequel in which Specter Knight recruits the members of the Order of No Quarter that would mean Shovel Knight is still locked in his depression and not back in action yet. With the interface during the time of the flashback showing the still living Specter Knight having a small health bar it's possible that Specter Knight's stage could be replaced by the flashback sequence which ends in a boss battle with Shield Knight.
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The trailer for ''Specter of Torment'' shows Specter Knight encountering Shield Knight back when he was still alive where she warned him to stay where he was. Since ''Specter of Torment'' is a confirmed prequel in which Specter Knight recruits the members of the Order of No Quarter that would mean Shovel Knight is still locked in his depression and not back in action yet. With the interface during the time of the flashback showing the still living Specter Knight having a small health bar it's possible that the end of Specter Knight's stage could be replaced by the flashback sequence which ends in a boss battle with Shield Knight.
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[[WMG:Shield Knight will be a boss fight in ''Specter of Torment'' via flashback.]]
The trailer for ''Specter of Torment'' shows Specter Knight encountering Shield Knight back when he was still alive where she warned him to stay where he was. Since ''Specter of Torment'' is a confirmed prequel in which Specter Knight recruits the members of the Order of No Quarter that would mean Shovel Knight is still locked in his depression and not back in action yet. With the interface during the time of the flashback showing the still living Specter Knight having a small health bar it's possible that Specter Knight's stage could be replaced by the flashback sequence which ends in a boss battle with Shield Knight.
The trailer for ''Specter of Torment'' shows Specter Knight encountering Shield Knight back when he was still alive where she warned him to stay where he was. Since ''Specter of Torment'' is a confirmed prequel in which Specter Knight recruits the members of the Order of No Quarter that would mean Shovel Knight is still locked in his depression and not back in action yet. With the interface during the time of the flashback showing the still living Specter Knight having a small health bar it's possible that Specter Knight's stage could be replaced by the flashback sequence which ends in a boss battle with Shield Knight.
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* Possible, but then Shovel Knight would have, in theory, taken double damage.
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[[WMG: Specter Knight's story will not only be DarkerAndEdgier, we will ''see'' Specter Knight massacre the village that was the Lich Yard]].
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[[WMG:Both future campaigns will feature at least one of the Wandering Travelers in a more prominent role.]]
Just as Baz was (albeit optionally) more prominent in ''Plague of Shadows'', and Reize is shown in the ''Specter of Torment'' trailer.
Just as Baz was (albeit optionally) more prominent in ''Plague of Shadows'', and Reize is shown in the ''Specter of Torment'' trailer.
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* The trailer does show him sitting on a ledge while staring at the locket and at one moment there was a female figure following him in a level, but WordOfGod says the story is a prequel to the main game.
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* WordOfGod says Specter Knight's story is a prequel, although the dancer may still play a part in it.
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It's possible that the true king of Pridemoor Keep was actually more sinister than he seemed. King Knight joined the Order of No Quarter and overthrew him to dethrone a tyrant. However, once he took the throne as his own, he was ultimately corrupted by the luxuries that came with it, becoming an even worse tyrant in the end.
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It's possible that the true king of Pridemoor Keep was actually more sinister or incompetent than he seemed. King Knight joined the Order of No Quarter and overthrew him to dethrone a tyrant. him. However, once he took the throne as his own, he was ultimately corrupted by the luxuries that came with it, becoming an even worse tyrant ruler in the end.
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* Possibly jossed. WordOfGod says Specter Knight's story is him recruiting the bosses to join the Enchantress.
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[[WMG: Shovel Knight's overarching theme will be Love in its various forms.]]
Not an absolutely groundbreaking idea at this point, but its beginning to show that it isn't just Shovel Knight who has a romantic bend on their campaign.
* Shovel Knight's story is about persistent love for someone thought lost. Even if he has nothing to go on, Shovel Knight still embarks on a quest to save his lost partner... [[spoiler: He even seems to "feel" that she's still out there, somewhere. The conflict doesn't lie in the relationship itself, but in the fact that their love was strong enough to pervail, even after Shield Knight has been changed throughly. It's a story about how true love eventually breaks all barriers, curses and obstacles, and as such is the most standard love story.]]
* Plague Knight's story is [[spoiler: about the lengths you go to prove your love to someone who's dear to you, and fighting your own weakness to prepare yourself for love. Contrasting Shovel Knight's story, Plague Knight wants to be loved and feels like he has to prove that he's lovable, instead of proving an already existing love. In the end, of course, it is revealed that love isn't obtained; it exists on its own, and it is in fact yourself that keeps it from happening, exemplified in just how far Plague Knight is willing to go with the delusion that he needs to prove himself worthy of Mona, which he abandons when everything finally clears. It's a story about how love can be complicated by the people involved, in contrast to Shovel Knight's story, where Shovel Knight and Shield Knight's love is confirmed and uncomplicated from the very beginning. Even the name of the DLC could be a hint towards the theme - Plague Knight fumbles in the shadows, trying to grasp something he already has, but is too blind to see.]]
* Of what we know of Spectre Knight's story, it *might* have something to do with [[spoiler: messy love, break-ups and love-turned to harsh feelings. The Dancer in the Village seems to know who Spectre Knight is, and is very happy about his defeat, and in the epilogue of Plague of Shadows, Spectre Knight is furious about losing the heartshaped Phase Locket, which could be an indicator of Spectre Knight having a falling-out with someone (perhaps the Dancer), and having bitter feelings about this. Regardless, he's still pissed about losing a memory about her, so obviously something's still going on. The name of the DLC, Spectre of Torment, could hint to the messy side of love, and how it can bring pain, anger and other rough feelings when things doesn't go as planned. It presents a distinctly dramatic story to contrast with the two more optimistic stories before it.]]
* At last, King Knight's story could break the mold [[spoiler: by not being about love for another, but the love for oneself, and the admiration of one's peers. This could be a very comedic, yet heartwarming story about King Knight learning how to be at peace with himself and his lack of royalty, while becoming more accepted and even loved by the subjects he commands; even if he has to actually work to get there. This story would represent selfworth, issues with image, narcissism and other, ego-centered versions of love.]]
Not an absolutely groundbreaking idea at this point, but its beginning to show that it isn't just Shovel Knight who has a romantic bend on their campaign.
* Shovel Knight's story is about persistent love for someone thought lost. Even if he has nothing to go on, Shovel Knight still embarks on a quest to save his lost partner... [[spoiler: He even seems to "feel" that she's still out there, somewhere. The conflict doesn't lie in the relationship itself, but in the fact that their love was strong enough to pervail, even after Shield Knight has been changed throughly. It's a story about how true love eventually breaks all barriers, curses and obstacles, and as such is the most standard love story.]]
* Plague Knight's story is [[spoiler: about the lengths you go to prove your love to someone who's dear to you, and fighting your own weakness to prepare yourself for love. Contrasting Shovel Knight's story, Plague Knight wants to be loved and feels like he has to prove that he's lovable, instead of proving an already existing love. In the end, of course, it is revealed that love isn't obtained; it exists on its own, and it is in fact yourself that keeps it from happening, exemplified in just how far Plague Knight is willing to go with the delusion that he needs to prove himself worthy of Mona, which he abandons when everything finally clears. It's a story about how love can be complicated by the people involved, in contrast to Shovel Knight's story, where Shovel Knight and Shield Knight's love is confirmed and uncomplicated from the very beginning. Even the name of the DLC could be a hint towards the theme - Plague Knight fumbles in the shadows, trying to grasp something he already has, but is too blind to see.]]
* Of what we know of Spectre Knight's story, it *might* have something to do with [[spoiler: messy love, break-ups and love-turned to harsh feelings. The Dancer in the Village seems to know who Spectre Knight is, and is very happy about his defeat, and in the epilogue of Plague of Shadows, Spectre Knight is furious about losing the heartshaped Phase Locket, which could be an indicator of Spectre Knight having a falling-out with someone (perhaps the Dancer), and having bitter feelings about this. Regardless, he's still pissed about losing a memory about her, so obviously something's still going on. The name of the DLC, Spectre of Torment, could hint to the messy side of love, and how it can bring pain, anger and other rough feelings when things doesn't go as planned. It presents a distinctly dramatic story to contrast with the two more optimistic stories before it.]]
* At last, King Knight's story could break the mold [[spoiler: by not being about love for another, but the love for oneself, and the admiration of one's peers. This could be a very comedic, yet heartwarming story about King Knight learning how to be at peace with himself and his lack of royalty, while becoming more accepted and even loved by the subjects he commands; even if he has to actually work to get there. This story would represent selfworth, issues with image, narcissism and other, ego-centered versions of love.]]
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* I actually want this to be canon.
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[[WMG: King Knight's final armor.]]
As his default armor is already gold, his final "upgrade" will be [[spoiler: a familiar shade of cerulean. The description? Something along the lines of "You'll never be as good as him, but at least you can look the part."]]
As his default armor is already gold, his final "upgrade" will be [[spoiler: a familiar shade of cerulean. The description? Something along the lines of "You'll never be as good as him, but at least you can look the part."]]
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Only for him to enjoy being and [[BecomingTheMask eventually become a legitimate hero]] to the masses.
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[[WMG: King Knight will be fighting the other Order members to [[VillainWithGoodPublicity drum up positive word of mouth]] to make himself appear good as a King.]]
Only for him to enjoy and [[BecomingTheMask eventually become a legitimate hero]] to the masses.
Only for him to enjoy and [[BecomingTheMask eventually become a legitimate hero]] to the masses.
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** It would probably have a description like: "A shiny armour that's pretty it useless, but there's no shame in being a shiny ghostly Banana"..
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[[WMG: King Knight [[ButtMonkey won't get a break]], even in his own playable campaign.]]
...Although he ''will'' get [[ThrowTheDogABone some sort of positive recognition]] in response to his efforts.
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[[WMG: Should Specter Knight fight and defeat the Enchantress's first phase...]]
She'll decide to [[SummonBiggerFish resurrect a warrior even more fierce and powerful than Specter Knight]].
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NPC dialogue in the Village when playing as Shovel Knight strongly implies that the Lich Yard was the citizens' old village before it was overrun by Specter Knight's undead army prior to Shovel Knight's return. Given that the campaign will be from his point of view, it will show in detail how this happened. The village during its destruction will replace the Plains as the first stage, but will still feature Black Knight as the first boss, who will attack Specter Knight in order to buy time for the villagers to evacuate.
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NPC dialogue in the Village when playing as Shovel Knight strongly implies that the Lich Yard was the citizens' old village before it was overrun by Specter Knight's undead army prior to Shovel Knight's return. Given that the campaign will be from his point of view, it will show in detail how this happened. The village during its destruction will replace the Plains as the first stage, but will still feature [[AntiVillain Black Knight Knight]] as the first boss, who will attack Specter Knight in order to buy time for the villagers to evacuate.evacuate. Due to Black Knight's more clearly heroic intentions during this battle compared to his fights with Shovel Knight and Plague Knight, he will [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness not]] utter an EvilLaugh before or during the battle.
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[[WMG: Specter Knight's campaign will begin with the destruction of the old village that is now the Lich Yard.]]
NPC dialogue in the Village when playing as Shovel Knight strongly implies that the Lich Yard was the citizens' old village before it was overrun by Specter Knight's undead army prior to Shovel Knight's return. Given that the campaign will be from his point of view, it will show in detail how this happened. The village during its destruction will replace the Plains as the first stage, but will still feature Black Knight as the first boss, who will attack Specter Knight in order to buy time for the villagers to evacuate.
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[[WMG: Specter Knight's campaign will reveal that Specter Knight is actually just a huge dork.]]
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His Kickstarter official bio described two of his cons as "[being] overly sentimental" and "[trying] too hard to act cool", meaning that when we finally get into his head, he won't seem as intimidating as he initially seemed.
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[[WMG: Should Specter Knight have gold armor...]]
The description will, rather than saying it's useless or make him look good, will discourage wearing it because [[AscendedMeme it'll make you look like a banana]].
The description will, rather than saying it's useless or make him look good, will discourage wearing it because [[AscendedMeme it'll make you look like a banana]].
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[[WMG: Mona and Plague Knight's friendship started after Plague Knight accidentally poisoned himself.]]
I know an author of a Shovel Knight fanfic beat me to it, but hear this out. The names of Plague Knight's themes are "Flowers of Antimony" and The "Vital Vitriol". Flowers (actually fragrant herbs) were stuffed in plague doctors' masks during the plague. Antimony was the element that medieval alchemists considered medicinal. The name "Vital Vitriol" may make no sense, but remember Plague Knight drinks directly from one of his bombs while he's watching in the Battle Royale. It's vitriolic, it's vital since he drinks it like it's water. Now, to connect with Mona, she is very protective of Plague Knight (she is the one who gives him health upgrades, she occasionally comments if he's okay after finishing a stage, and is willing to pay Black Knight however he wants to get the Enchantress' essence). She's completely aware of his frail health and knows just what to do to permanently increase his health. Both are alchemists, so Mona would give him antimony. Then Plague Knight is described as someone who loves playing with death, and it seems like he was an inch close to death, rendering him weak. He met her while very ill, and came to love her in this state. This is why he wants to be 'strong' for Mona even if he's completely capable of crushing his 'teammates' and the Enchantress.
I know an author of a Shovel Knight fanfic beat me to it, but hear this out. The names of Plague Knight's themes are "Flowers of Antimony" and The "Vital Vitriol". Flowers (actually fragrant herbs) were stuffed in plague doctors' masks during the plague. Antimony was the element that medieval alchemists considered medicinal. The name "Vital Vitriol" may make no sense, but remember Plague Knight drinks directly from one of his bombs while he's watching in the Battle Royale. It's vitriolic, it's vital since he drinks it like it's water. Now, to connect with Mona, she is very protective of Plague Knight (she is the one who gives him health upgrades, she occasionally comments if he's okay after finishing a stage, and is willing to pay Black Knight however he wants to get the Enchantress' essence). She's completely aware of his frail health and knows just what to do to permanently increase his health. Both are alchemists, so Mona would give him antimony. Then Plague Knight is described as someone who loves playing with death, and it seems like he was an inch close to death, rendering him weak. He met her while very ill, and came to love her in this state. This is why he wants to be 'strong' for Mona even if he's completely capable of crushing his 'teammates' and the Enchantress.
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** It seems to me that the implication was that [[spoiler:Black Knight is in love with Shield Knight, who loves Shovel Knight, given his line (to paraphrase) that she "always preferred ''him''".]]
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[[WMG: Plague of Shadows takes place during Shovel Knight's New Game Plus.]]
In the Explodatorium, Shovel Knight has 10 HP bubbles and access to all the Relics. He also [[spoiler: ignores the Order of No Quarter at the end of the boss rush]]. One possible explanation for this is that Shovel Knight is on a New Game Plus and has better things to do.
In the Explodatorium, Shovel Knight has 10 HP bubbles and access to all the Relics. He also [[spoiler: ignores the Order of No Quarter at the end of the boss rush]]. One possible explanation for this is that Shovel Knight is on a New Game Plus and has better things to do.
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[[WMG: Polar Knight and Shovel Knight were once members of a group that used digging based tools.]]
Both of them know each other, and both use digging implements. It's possible that they used to work together as partners before some sort of accident ended the group, most likely because of Polar Knight.
Both of them know each other, and both use digging implements. It's possible that they used to work together as partners before some sort of accident ended the group, most likely because of Polar Knight.
