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[[WMG: The show is set ''before'' the events of ''Film/DoctorStrange'']]
The timeline of the MCU is somewhat hard to predict at times thanks to not everything being released in chronological order, with ''Doctor Strange'' in particular being set over the course of several years and really, the only thing known about it is that it happened at ''some point'' before ''Ragnarok'', which itself we only know happened two years after ''Age of Ultron''[[note]]Plus, ''Homecoming'' threw anything we did know about the MCU's exact timeline under the bus since it decided that its been eight years since ''Avengers'', meaning that any actual reference to the passage of time and setting can be taken as loose at best[[/note]]. The show in turn isn't confirmed exactly where it lines up compared to the others, but given that it has the least amount of references to the larger MCU compared to everything else, its possible its set quite a bit before its release date.
Which, really, can help explain Tina's different characterisations.
Though Tina is initially presented as the most villainous member of the PRIDE, its apparent by the end of Season 1 that she's no more evil than the others and, with Amy's death and Jonah's threats prior to that, she had a decent FreudianExcuse. As the PRIDE are setting out to ''stop'' Jonah by the end of the season, its possible that they'll undergo a full HeelFaceTurn, and Tina, at the very least, will survive, albeit at the cost of everything.
So, where does someone who's gifted with magic (albeit technologically-assisted magic) who lost everything end up? Joining the Masters of the Mystic Arts.
The timeline of the MCU is somewhat hard to predict at times thanks to not everything being released in chronological order, with ''Doctor Strange'' in particular being set over the course of several years and really, the only thing known about it is that it happened at ''some point'' before ''Ragnarok'', which itself we only know happened two years after ''Age of Ultron''[[note]]Plus, ''Homecoming'' threw anything we did know about the MCU's exact timeline under the bus since it decided that its been eight years since ''Avengers'', meaning that any actual reference to the passage of time and setting can be taken as loose at best[[/note]]. The show in turn isn't confirmed exactly where it lines up compared to the others, but given that it has the least amount of references to the larger MCU compared to everything else, its possible its set quite a bit before its release date.
Which, really, can help explain Tina's different characterisations.
Though Tina is initially presented as the most villainous member of the PRIDE, its apparent by the end of Season 1 that she's no more evil than the others and, with Amy's death and Jonah's threats prior to that, she had a decent FreudianExcuse. As the PRIDE are setting out to ''stop'' Jonah by the end of the season, its possible that they'll undergo a full HeelFaceTurn, and Tina, at the very least, will survive, albeit at the cost of everything.
So, where does someone who's gifted with magic (albeit technologically-assisted magic) who lost everything end up? Joining the Masters of the Mystic Arts.
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[[spoiler: Because Jonah allows her to be saved by the Runaways. Though it's possible she's an unknowing one.]]
[[spoiler: Because Jonah allows her to be saved by the Runaways. Though it's possible she's an unknowing one.]]
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[[WMG:Amy Minoru's death was caused by her using magic]]
We see that in order to activate the magic staff, it required a bit of blood use it, which can imply PowerAtAPrice rules. Maybe Amy was using magic, beyond what she could handle, and it killed her and her parents covered it up.
[[WMG:Amy, not Alex, discovered the PRIDE conspiracy prior to the events of the show.]]
Alex is TheMole in the comics because the two non-human PRIDE couples, the Deans and the Hayeses, were ganging up on everyone else. This can't translate to the show, since Frank Dean is unaware of what the PRIDE does and the Hernandezes are dead. So perhaps instead of Alex, it was Amy who walked in on a PRIDE meeting before her death. The PRIDE reacted by [[HeKnowsTooMuch silencing her]], [[NeverSuicide making it look like a suicide]].
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[[WMG:Amy, not Alex, discovered the PRIDE conspiracy prior to the events of the show.]]
Alex is TheMole in the comics because the two non-human PRIDE couples, the Deans and the Hayeses, were ganging up on everyone else. This can't translate to the show, since Frank Dean is unaware of what the PRIDE does and the Hernandezes are dead. So perhaps instead of Alex, it was Amy who walked in on a PRIDE meeting before her death. The PRIDE reacted by [[HeKnowsTooMuch silencing her]], [[NeverSuicide making it look like a suicide]].
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[[WMG: Alex Wilder will die at the end of the first season]]
While the circumstances are different, as a character, Alex was just needed to unite the group. Being the only one without abilities or high-tech, his usefulness to the group is that he has access. [[spoiler: Now that everyone's parents know about their children acting against them, Alex doesn't have much to contribute for the audience and will be killed off. And with Karolina and Nico's developing romantic interest with each other, Alex's death will be a factor in prolonging that development for next season. And it will add an extra sense of guilt for Nico, who was not able to forgive him before he died.]]
* He will probably die, doing something noble for his friends [[spoiler: unlike in the comics.]]
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While the circumstances are different, as a character, Alex was just needed to unite the group. Being the only one without abilities or high-tech, his usefulness to the group is that he has access. [[spoiler: Now that everyone's parents know about their children acting against them, Alex doesn't have much to contribute for the audience and will be killed off. And with Karolina and Nico's developing romantic interest with each other, Alex's death will be a factor in prolonging that development for next season. And it will add an extra sense of guilt for Nico, who was not able to forgive him before he died.]]
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* He will probably die, doing something noble for his friends [[spoiler: unlike in the comics.]]
* Jossed, he survives the season.
[[WMG:Amy Minoru's death was caused by her using magic]]
We see that in order to activate the magic staff, it required a bit of blood use it, which can imply PowerAtAPrice rules. Maybe Amy was using magic, beyond what she could handle, and it killed her and her parents covered it up.
* Jossed. [[spoiler:Jonah murdered Amy.]]
[[WMG:Amy, not Alex, discovered the PRIDE conspiracy prior to the events of the show.]]
Alex is TheMole in the comics because the two non-human PRIDE couples, the Deans and the Hayeses, were ganging up on everyone else. This can't translate to the show, since Frank Dean is unaware of what the PRIDE does and the Hernandezes are dead. So perhaps instead of Alex, it was Amy who walked in on a PRIDE meeting before her death. The PRIDE reacted by [[HeKnowsTooMuch silencing her]], [[NeverSuicide making it look like a suicide]].
* Jossed, but the actual truth holds some surface similarities. [[spoiler:Amy didn't discover the PRIDE conspiracy, but she tried hacking into her mom's servers, causing Jonah to murder her.]]
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[[Spoiler: Jossed. Both Jonah and Leslie have confirmed that Jonah is Karolina's real father.]]
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[[WMG:Amy Minoru was sacrificed to the Gibborim]]
And the real reason why Robert is [[spoiler: cheating on Tina]] is because he didn't approve of the sacrifice while Tina was willing.
And the real reason why Robert is [[spoiler: cheating on Tina]] is because he didn't approve of the sacrifice while Tina was willing.
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In the comics, the PRIDE kids were supposed to be told upon turning eighteen -- instead, they found out about Destiny's death and ran away. Here, Amy was told about the PRIDE according to their rules, but couldn't stomach being a part of it.
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[[WMG: Tina's Password wasn't Password, it was Amy.]]
The Password Alex entered in was too short to be 'password.' But a grieving mother setting her password to her daughter's name? That makes a lot more sense.
* But wouldn't a tech genius like Tina know better than use her daughter's three-character name as a password for such sensitive material?
The Password Alex entered in was too short to be 'password.' But a grieving mother setting her password to her daughter's name? That makes a lot more sense.
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[[WMG:Amy was told about the PRIDE once she turned eighteen, and killed herself out of horror.]]
In the comics, the PRIDE kids were supposed to be told upon turning eighteen -- instead, they found out about Destiny's death and ran away. Here, Amy was told about the PRIDE according to their rules, but couldn't stomach being a part of it.
** Jossed. Amy learned about what was going on because she hacked into her mother's files without her knowledge, and is implied to have been murdered when she was caught.
[[WMG: Tina's Password wasn't Password, it was Amy.]]
The Password Alex entered in was too short to be 'password.' But a grieving mother setting her password to her daughter's name? That makes a lot more sense.
* But wouldn't a tech genius like Tina know better than use her daughter's three-character name as a password for such sensitive material?
**Jossed. While Alex was lying about the password being "password", he knew the real password because Amy herself had hacked the system two years ago and Alex knew about it.
And the real reason why Robert is [[spoiler: cheating on Tina]] is because he didn't approve of the sacrifice while Tina was willing.
** Jossed. A body completely vanishes when put through the sacrifice and doesn't leave a corpse behind. There are still hints that Amy was murdered instead of the suicide that it appears to be, but it wasn't a sacrifice.
[[WMG:Amy was told about the PRIDE once she turned eighteen, and killed herself out of horror.]]
In the comics, the PRIDE kids were supposed to be told upon turning eighteen -- instead, they found out about Destiny's death and ran away. Here, Amy was told about the PRIDE according to their rules, but couldn't stomach being a part of it.
** Jossed. Amy learned about what was going on because she hacked into her mother's files without her knowledge, and is implied to have been murdered when she was caught.
[[WMG: Tina's Password wasn't Password, it was Amy.]]
The Password Alex entered in was too short to be 'password.' But a grieving mother setting her password to her daughter's name? That makes a lot more sense.
* But wouldn't a tech genius like Tina know better than use her daughter's three-character name as a password for such sensitive material?
**Jossed. While Alex was lying about the password being "password", he knew the real password because Amy herself had hacked the system two years ago and Alex knew about it.
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* if true, it would be a very long delay. The Fox / Disney merger still needs approval from the government as of the end of season 1.
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[[WMG: Alex Wilder will die at the end of the first season]]
While the circumstances are different, as a character, Alex was just needed to unite the group. Being the only one without abilities or high-tech, his usefulness to the group is that he has access. [[spoiler: Now that everyone's parents know about their children acting against them, Alex doesn't have much to contribute for the audience and will be killed off. And with Karolina and Nico's developing romantic interest with each other, Alex's death will be a factor in prolonging that development for next season. And it will add an extra sense of guilt for Nico, who was not able to forgive him before he died.]]
* He will probably die, doing something noble for his friends [[spoiler: unlike in the comics.]]
While the circumstances are different, as a character, Alex was just needed to unite the group. Being the only one without abilities or high-tech, his usefulness to the group is that he has access. [[spoiler: Now that everyone's parents know about their children acting against them, Alex doesn't have much to contribute for the audience and will be killed off. And with Karolina and Nico's developing romantic interest with each other, Alex's death will be a factor in prolonging that development for next season. And it will add an extra sense of guilt for Nico, who was not able to forgive him before he died.]]
* He will probably die, doing something noble for his friends [[spoiler: unlike in the comics.]]
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[[WMG: Alex Wilder will die at the end of the first season]]
While the circumstances are different, as a character, Alex was just needed to unite the group. Being the only one without abilities or high-tech, his usefulness to the group is that he has access. [[spoiler: Now that everyone's parents know about their children acting against them, Alex doesn't have much to contribute for the audience and will be killed off. And with Karolina and Nico's developing romantic interest with each other, Alex's death will be a factor in prolonging that development for next season. And it will add an extra sense of guilt for Nico, who was not able to forgive him before he died.]]
* He will probably die, doing something noble for his friends [[spoiler: unlike in the comics.]]
While the circumstances are different, as a character, Alex was just needed to unite the group. Being the only one without abilities or high-tech, his usefulness to the group is that he has access. [[spoiler: Now that everyone's parents know about their children acting against them, Alex doesn't have much to contribute for the audience and will be killed off. And with Karolina and Nico's developing romantic interest with each other, Alex's death will be a factor in prolonging that development for next season. And it will add an extra sense of guilt for Nico, who was not able to forgive him before he died.]]
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[[WMG: The Yorkses killed Molly's parents]]
Either by accident or in a panic. The two families planned to run away as a group, but the Hernandezes broke down and decided to come clean, prompting the Yorkses to silence them. They adopted Molly out of guilt.
* [[spoiler: Jossed: The Yorkses and Hernandez both knew what was going down and Hernandezes got killed in the process.]]
Either by accident or in a panic. The two families planned to run away as a group, but the Hernandezes broke down and decided to come clean, prompting the Yorkses to silence them. They adopted Molly out of guilt.
* [[spoiler: Jossed: The Yorkses and Hernandez both knew what was going down and Hernandezes got killed in the process.]]
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[[WMG: The Yorkses killed Molly's parents]]
Either by accident or in a panic. The two families planned to run away as a group, but the Hernandezes broke down and decided to come clean, prompting the Yorkses to silence them. They adopted Molly out of guilt.
* [[spoiler: Jossed: The Yorkses and Hernandez both knew what was going down and Hernandezes got killed in the process.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed: It's revealed in "Doomsday" that Leslie threw a bomb and called Tina letting her know it's done.]]
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**** In Episode 9 [[spoiler: young Molly was exposed to [[GreenRocks glowy blue rocks]] from the dig site before her eyes flash yellow.]] It would be a new form, but Terrigen is not out of the question.
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* Now that Marvel owns Fox Studios, the Skrulls are fair game for the MCU.
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! Beware of LateArrivalSpoiler from the comics.
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[[folder: Pre-Release Theories]]
[[WMG: Alex Wilder won't be TheMole this time]]
Chase will take this role, this time, after [[RedHerring some misdirection]] involving Alex and/or Gert.
* This seems likely as he's beginning to be close to his dad.
[[WMG: Alex Wilder won't be TheMole this time]]
Chase will take this role, this time, after [[RedHerring some misdirection]] involving Alex and/or Gert.
* This seems likely as he's beginning to be close to his dad.
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[[folder: Pre-Release Theories]]
[[WMG: Alex Wilder won't be TheMole this time]]
Chase will take this role, this time, after [[RedHerring some misdirection]] involving Alex and/or Gert.
* This seems likely as he's beginning to be close to his dad.
General Pre-Season One Theories]]
[[WMG: Alex Wilder won't be TheMole this time]]
Chase will take this role, this time, after [[RedHerring some misdirection]] involving Alex and/or Gert.
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* Xavin could still be a Skrull, just a regular Skrull since it is the Super Skrulls who are tied up with the FF/FoxFF/Fox.
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''{{WesternAnimation/Daria}}'' and ''ComicBook/GhostWorld''
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''{{WesternAnimation/Daria}}'' and ''ComicBook/GhostWorld''
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**** ... they haven't ''yet'', anyway.
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[[WMG:Nobody has powers (or at least not the main characters)]]
If you read the character profiles released by Marvel, both for the kids and their parents, no superpowers are mentioned anywhere. It's not just that there is no mention to anything from the MCU anywhere, nothing superhuman is mentioned or even suggested. Some people may suspect that they do this to introduce them as normal people, and then reveal their powers in dramatic reveals (X is an alien! Y is an inhuman! Z is a sorcerer!), as in the comic. But perhaps... Marvel is being completely honest, and the series is really meant to be focused simply on a group of runaway teenagers, with no superpowers interfering with the story. "My parents are actually super villains?" and "How can I manage my life while on the run?" take up enough angst just by themselves, adding "HowDoIShotWeb" to the mix is overkill. Also, the MCU does not have time travel yet; if it is introduced it will be at some very important film (such as the Avengers vs. Kang the Conqueror), not as a minor backstory of a TV character's parents.
** Jossed. A leak of the first teaser/trailer shows someone (Molly?) with superstrength and also shows Karolina Dean in her Majestrian form.
If you read the character profiles released by Marvel, both for the kids and their parents, no superpowers are mentioned anywhere. It's not just that there is no mention to anything from the MCU anywhere, nothing superhuman is mentioned or even suggested. Some people may suspect that they do this to introduce them as normal people, and then reveal their powers in dramatic reveals (X is an alien! Y is an inhuman! Z is a sorcerer!), as in the comic. But perhaps... Marvel is being completely honest, and the series is really meant to be focused simply on a group of runaway teenagers, with no superpowers interfering with the story. "My parents are actually super villains?" and "How can I manage my life while on the run?" take up enough angst just by themselves, adding "HowDoIShotWeb" to the mix is overkill. Also, the MCU does not have time travel yet; if it is introduced it will be at some very important film (such as the Avengers vs. Kang the Conqueror), not as a minor backstory of a TV character's parents.
** Jossed. A leak of the first teaser/trailer shows someone (Molly?) with superstrength and also shows Karolina Dean in her Majestrian form.
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[[WMG:The Gibborim will be shown as giant smoke clouds]]
Because their forms in the comic would be considered "too silly" by TV going audiences.
** No, they wouldn't, Tom Rothman.
** It's seen as an old man with cracked skin. Not a cloud but a far cry from giant animal-headed gods.
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[[WMG:Gert is the Mole]]
She discovered the dinosaur a while ago and secretly trained her which is why she obeys her. Of the main characters she was the most nonchalant about her parents being murderers and tried to deny it to throw off the crew. Her SJW tendencies were just an act to throw off suspicion, given she just casually told her friends to hold off "Smashing the Patriarchy".
[[WMG: Alex is still TheMole, and he killed Amy]]
While he's clearly less villainous and his comic-book motivation isn't an option, a lot of Alex's behaviour still gives some hints (not attending Amy's funeral, making a dig at his parents' urgent charity meetings, spontaneously deciding to bring everyone back together coincidentally on what should be the last PRIDE sacrifice night, being the one to 'accidentally' open the secret door, etc).
So, theory: Two years ago, Alex and Amy somehow ended up discovering the PRIDE's existence 2 years ago together, leading Alex to killing her to keep her silent when she wanted to tell everyone and/or alert the authorities. Though he managed to get her body back to her bedroom and make it look like suicide, it still guilted him enough to make him skip the funeral. Since then, he's been a SecretSecretKeeper for the PRIDE's existence, and with his friends all drifting away from him, he tried to bring them all back together by using their families' dark connection to push them. Ultimately he doesn't want to kill his friends or bring down his family's secret, but he's trying to do a long-con to end the secret and bring the kids and their parents all together on the PRIDE's schemes, and his murder of Amy is what serves as a MoralEventHorizon to prevent him being too sypathetic.
[[WMG: Chase is TheMole]]
He's noticeably more intelligent here than he was in the comics, and it was his suggestion to go to Geoffrey's study to steal booze, leading to the discovery of the secret room.
She discovered the dinosaur a while ago and secretly trained her which is why she obeys her. Of the main characters she was the most nonchalant about her parents being murderers and tried to deny it to throw off the crew. Her SJW tendencies were just an act to throw off suspicion, given she just casually told her friends to hold off "Smashing the Patriarchy".
[[WMG: Alex is still TheMole, and he killed Amy]]
While he's clearly less villainous and his comic-book motivation isn't an option, a lot of Alex's behaviour still gives some hints (not attending Amy's funeral, making a dig at his parents' urgent charity meetings, spontaneously deciding to bring everyone back together coincidentally on what should be the last PRIDE sacrifice night, being the one to 'accidentally' open the secret door, etc).
So, theory: Two years ago, Alex and Amy somehow ended up discovering the PRIDE's existence 2 years ago together, leading Alex to killing her to keep her silent when she wanted to tell everyone and/or alert the authorities. Though he managed to get her body back to her bedroom and make it look like suicide, it still guilted him enough to make him skip the funeral. Since then, he's been a SecretSecretKeeper for the PRIDE's existence, and with his friends all drifting away from him, he tried to bring them all back together by using their families' dark connection to push them. Ultimately he doesn't want to kill his friends or bring down his family's secret, but he's trying to do a long-con to end the secret and bring the kids and their parents all together on the PRIDE's schemes, and his murder of Amy is what serves as a MoralEventHorizon to prevent him being too sypathetic.
[[WMG: Chase is TheMole]]
He's noticeably more intelligent here than he was in the comics, and it was his suggestion to go to Geoffrey's study to steal booze, leading to the discovery of the secret room.
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[[WMG: Molly is the mole]]
The parents don't know she's on their side. Taking a picture of the PRIDE sacrifice using flash, her BadLiar moment blurting "I didn't see anything" and telling Catherine that time was running out weren't stupid mistakes, she was trying to tip them off that the kids know. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And Molly and mole start with the same 3 letters]].
The parents don't know she's on their side. Taking a picture of the PRIDE sacrifice using flash, her BadLiar moment blurting "I didn't see anything" and telling Catherine that time was running out weren't stupid mistakes, she was trying to tip them off that the kids know. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And Molly and mole start with the same 3 letters]].
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[[WMG: There isn't a mole among the kids, ''but''...]]
One of the kids will turn to their parents' side while the others run away -- possibly Chase. He ''has'' been the one least willing to believe their parents could be evil.
One of the kids will turn to their parents' side while the others run away -- possibly Chase. He ''has'' been the one least willing to believe their parents could be evil.
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[[folder:The Mole]]
[[WMG: Alex Wilder won't be TheMole this time]]
Chase will take this role, this time, after [[RedHerring some misdirection]] involving Alex and/or Gert.
* This seems likely as he's beginning to be close to his dad.
[[WMG: Molly is the mole]]
The parents don't know she's on their side. Taking a picture of the PRIDE sacrifice using flash, her BadLiar moment blurting "I didn't see anything" and telling Catherine that time was running out weren't stupid mistakes, she was trying to tip them off that the kids know. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And Molly and mole start with the same 3 letters]].
[[WMG:Gert is the Mole]]
She discovered the dinosaur a while ago and secretly trained her which is why she obeys her. Of the main characters she was the most nonchalant about her parents being murderers and tried to deny it to throw off the crew. Her SJW tendencies were just an act to throw off suspicion, given she just casually told her friends to hold off "Smashing the Patriarchy".
[[WMG: Alex is still TheMole, and he killed Amy]]
While he's clearly less villainous and his comic-book motivation isn't an option, a lot of Alex's behaviour still gives some hints (not attending Amy's funeral, making a dig at his parents' urgent charity meetings, spontaneously deciding to bring everyone back together coincidentally on what should be the last PRIDE sacrifice night, being the one to 'accidentally' open the secret door, etc).
So, theory: Two years ago, Alex and Amy somehow ended up discovering the PRIDE's existence 2 years ago together, leading Alex to killing her to keep her silent when she wanted to tell everyone and/or alert the authorities. Though he managed to get her body back to her bedroom and make it look like suicide, it still guilted him enough to make him skip the funeral. Since then, he's been a SecretSecretKeeper for the PRIDE's existence, and with his friends all drifting away from him, he tried to bring them all back together by using their families' dark connection to push them. Ultimately he doesn't want to kill his friends or bring down his family's secret, but he's trying to do a long-con to end the secret and bring the kids and their parents all together on the PRIDE's schemes, and his murder of Amy is what serves as a MoralEventHorizon to prevent him being too sypathetic.
[[WMG: Chase is TheMole]]
He's noticeably more intelligent here than he was in the comics, and it was his suggestion to go to Geoffrey's study to steal booze, leading to the discovery of the secret room.
[[WMG: There isn't a mole among the kids, ''but''...]]
One of the kids will turn to their parents' side while the others run away -- possibly Chase. He ''has'' been the one least willing to believe their parents could be evil.
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[[folder: Jossed Theories]]
[[WMG:The Gibborim will be shown as giant smoke clouds]]
Because their forms in the comic would be considered "too silly" by TV going audiences.
** No, they wouldn't, Tom Rothman.
** It's seen as an old man with cracked skin. Not a cloud but a far cry from giant animal-headed gods.
[[WMG:Nobody has powers (or at least not the main characters)]]
If you read the character profiles released by Marvel, both for the kids and their parents, no superpowers are mentioned anywhere. It's not just that there is no mention to anything from the MCU anywhere, nothing superhuman is mentioned or even suggested. Some people may suspect that they do this to introduce them as normal people, and then reveal their powers in dramatic reveals (X is an alien! Y is an inhuman! Z is a sorcerer!), as in the comic. But perhaps... Marvel is being completely honest, and the series is really meant to be focused simply on a group of runaway teenagers, with no superpowers interfering with the story. "My parents are actually super villains?" and "How can I manage my life while on the run?" take up enough angst just by themselves, adding "HowDoIShotWeb" to the mix is overkill. Also, the MCU does not have time travel yet; if it is introduced it will be at some very important film (such as the Avengers vs. Kang the Conqueror), not as a minor backstory of a TV character's parents.
** Jossed. A leak of the first teaser/trailer shows someone (Molly?) with superstrength and also shows Karolina Dean in her Majestrian form.
[[folder:The Mole]]
[[WMG: Alex Wilder won't be TheMole this time]]
Chase will take this role, this time, after [[RedHerring some misdirection]] involving Alex and/or Gert.
* This seems likely as he's beginning to be close to his dad.
[[WMG: Molly is the mole]]
The parents don't know she's on their side. Taking a picture of the PRIDE sacrifice using flash, her BadLiar moment blurting "I didn't see anything" and telling Catherine that time was running out weren't stupid mistakes, she was trying to tip them off that the kids know. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And Molly and mole start with the same 3 letters]].
[[WMG:Gert is the Mole]]
She discovered the dinosaur a while ago and secretly trained her which is why she obeys her. Of the main characters she was the most nonchalant about her parents being murderers and tried to deny it to throw off the crew. Her SJW tendencies were just an act to throw off suspicion, given she just casually told her friends to hold off "Smashing the Patriarchy".
[[WMG: Alex is still TheMole, and he killed Amy]]
While he's clearly less villainous and his comic-book motivation isn't an option, a lot of Alex's behaviour still gives some hints (not attending Amy's funeral, making a dig at his parents' urgent charity meetings, spontaneously deciding to bring everyone back together coincidentally on what should be the last PRIDE sacrifice night, being the one to 'accidentally' open the secret door, etc).
So, theory: Two years ago, Alex and Amy somehow ended up discovering the PRIDE's existence 2 years ago together, leading Alex to killing her to keep her silent when she wanted to tell everyone and/or alert the authorities. Though he managed to get her body back to her bedroom and make it look like suicide, it still guilted him enough to make him skip the funeral. Since then, he's been a SecretSecretKeeper for the PRIDE's existence, and with his friends all drifting away from him, he tried to bring them all back together by using their families' dark connection to push them. Ultimately he doesn't want to kill his friends or bring down his family's secret, but he's trying to do a long-con to end the secret and bring the kids and their parents all together on the PRIDE's schemes, and his murder of Amy is what serves as a MoralEventHorizon to prevent him being too sypathetic.
[[WMG: Chase is TheMole]]
He's noticeably more intelligent here than he was in the comics, and it was his suggestion to go to Geoffrey's study to steal booze, leading to the discovery of the secret room.
[[WMG: There isn't a mole among the kids, ''but''...]]
One of the kids will turn to their parents' side while the others run away -- possibly Chase. He ''has'' been the one least willing to believe their parents could be evil.
[[/folder]]
[[folder: Jossed Theories]]
[[WMG:The Gibborim will be shown as giant smoke clouds]]
Because their forms in the comic would be considered "too silly" by TV going audiences.
** No, they wouldn't, Tom Rothman.
** It's seen as an old man with cracked skin. Not a cloud but a far cry from giant animal-headed gods.
[[WMG:Nobody has powers (or at least not the main characters)]]
If you read the character profiles released by Marvel, both for the kids and their parents, no superpowers are mentioned anywhere. It's not just that there is no mention to anything from the MCU anywhere, nothing superhuman is mentioned or even suggested. Some people may suspect that they do this to introduce them as normal people, and then reveal their powers in dramatic reveals (X is an alien! Y is an inhuman! Z is a sorcerer!), as in the comic. But perhaps... Marvel is being completely honest, and the series is really meant to be focused simply on a group of runaway teenagers, with no superpowers interfering with the story. "My parents are actually super villains?" and "How can I manage my life while on the run?" take up enough angst just by themselves, adding "HowDoIShotWeb" to the mix is overkill. Also, the MCU does not have time travel yet; if it is introduced it will be at some very important film (such as the Avengers vs. Kang the Conqueror), not as a minor backstory of a TV character's parents.
** Jossed. A leak of the first teaser/trailer shows someone (Molly?) with superstrength and also shows Karolina Dean in her Majestrian form.
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[[WMG: Jonah ''is'' Gibborim.]]
In the MCU, Gibborim isn't a race of aliens, but specifically a singular entity named Gibborim who spawned a cult in his name -- and Jonah is him.
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[[WMG: There isn't a mole, mole among the kids, ''but''...]]
One of the kids will turn to their parents' side while the others run away--- -- possibly Chase.
Chase. He ''has'' been the one least willing to believe their parents could be evil.
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Elian isn't just Molly's plush elephant, but also the MCU's version of Victor Mancha.
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Elian isn't just Molly's plush elephant, but also the MCU's version of Victor Mancha.Mancha -- possibly an older cousin who could help her with her powers?
[[WMG: Victor Mancha won't be an android.]]
Or at the very least, not one created by Ultron, since the television shows haven't really tied themselves to the films very much lately. It would help keep the series standalone and unconnected to the broader MCU.
[[WMG: Victor Mancha won't be an android.]]
Or at the very least, not one created by Ultron, since the television shows haven't really tied themselves to the films very much lately. It would help keep the series standalone and unconnected to the broader MCU.
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* It could happen, since this version of Molly is Latina, and they'd share that background. [[OneSteveLimit He probably won't be called Victor here, though]].
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[[WMG: The meaning of "Find Elian..."]]
Elian isn't just Molly's plush elephant, but also the MCU's version of Victor Mancha.
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[[WMG: Victor Mancha will be related to Molly somehow.]]
* It could happen, since this version of Molly is Latina, and they'd share that background. [[OneSteveLimit He probably won't be called Victor here, though]].
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** Jossed. Victor is the CEO of his own successful company and Janet isn't linked to the science side of things.
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* Seems like the case. The series is stretching the origin of the team out, so they haven't even spent that much time as, well, runaways yet.
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** Jossed. Tina's status as the same woman from the film is [[SchrodingersCanon ...iffy.]]
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** Jossed. Geoffrey's previous criminal career was in Los Angeles as a member of the Crips. Catherine is an AmoralAttorney, and this was her role in the past prior to the show.
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** It doesn't even seem like Leslie is an alien in this series.
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** Jossed. The couple are bioengineers who created Old Lace ''after'' joining the organization as a form of protection for Gert. No reference to SHIELD is made.
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[[WMG: Amys's soul is in the staff]]
It goes along with her mom's orders, but actively tries to protect Nico and her friends.
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[[WMG: The reason why Molly's power origin is taking so long to be revealed]]
It's because Disney and Marvel Studios prepared in advance for the 21st Century Fox buyout and have filmed alternate scenes of people using the word "Mutant" and "Inhuman." This will potentially make Molly the first canon Mutant in the MCU.
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[[WMG: Victor Mancha will be created by Victor Stein in this version]]
Stein salvaged some of Ultron's sentry parts (that way his connection to Ultron will remain the same) and worked him into a bio-android. In this version, he'll be called "Victor Stein Jr.," unless Marianella Mancha was heavily involved with his creation.
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[[WMG: Jonah is human]]
And Karolina is half-human. Alien means were simply used to extend his lifespan.
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* Magic in the MCU frequently mingles with science-notably on Asgard where Thor said they are considered one and the same. It's entirely possible Alien science/tech can interact with wizardry.
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[[WMG: The Staff of One is still magical.]]
Tina explains in Metamorphoses that she developed it in her lab via scientific theories. This is a lie; she's hiding the fact that magic is real. She doesn't explain how it can silence things or make snowstorm. It's still an ancient magical artifact. (As for the blood scanner for her computer, she uses it because of how secure it is, and because she's used to getting nicked because of the staff).
Tina explains in Metamorphoses that she developed it in her lab via scientific theories. This is a lie; she's hiding the fact that magic is real. She doesn't explain how it can silence things or make snowstorm. It's still an ancient magical artifact. (As for the blood scanner for her computer, she uses it because of how secure it is, and because she's used to getting nicked because of the staff).
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The parents don't know she's on their side. Taking a picture of the PRIDE sacrifice using flash, her BadLiar moment blurting "I didn't see anything" and telling Catherine that time was running out weren't stupid mistakes, she was trying to tip them off that the kids know.
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The parents don't know she's on their side. Taking a picture of the PRIDE sacrifice using flash, her BadLiar moment blurting "I didn't see anything" and telling Catherine that time was running out weren't stupid mistakes, she was trying to tip them off that the kids know.
know. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And Molly and mole start with the same 3 letters]].
