History WMG / Redwall

* Incidentally, ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPandaTheDragonKnight'' will have Po traveling to medieval England. Based on what we've seen, it doesn't look much like Mossflower, but that could easily be explained if ''Redwall'' took place at a much earlier time.

[[WMG: Meanwhile, in far-away China, ''Franchise/KungFuPanda'' is happening.]]

Even taking into account that most of ''Redwall'''s setup, including the horse and haycart, has been retconned, the "feral cats" in ''High Rhulain'' openly say their ancestors were kept as pets by "creatures more powerful than themselves", and the Coin in ''The Sable Quean'' had to come from somewhere, Mossflower's animals don't seem to bother with currency, and they claim the "strange markings" on the Coin were worn off to the point of unreadability, so it's not impossible it was made by humans.

* Maybe it takes place in the world of ''WesternAnimation/PeaceOnEarth''. If so, [[TearJerker it looks like the owl and squirrel's lessons on peace were eventually forgotten]].

[[WMG: The "good will to men" and/or "Peace on earth" cartoons are prequals to red wall.]]
to those who have seen nether, there both anti war cartoons were humanity drives him self to extinction and all that are left are animals, smaller ones like mice and rabbits, that talk about men, how they saw them, what happened to them as a narration. Redwall happens to be a long time after the events of the cartoons (the cartoons are less then one generation away from the event) and the story's and myths of men are long gone.

[[WMG: Redwall is an EldritchAbomination that makes vermin AlwaysChaoticEvil while Woodlanders are stuck as AlwaysLawfulGood.]]

[[WMG: The Woodlanders ARE in a Religion. ]]
A horrible Xenophobic religion!

Stoat eats birds? HE'S EVIL! Rat is farming peacefully? HE KILLED THE POOR BEAST IN CHARGE OF THE FARM! Fox fishing peacefully? [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking SHE IS DOING IT EVILLY! ]]

Martin was highly racist about "Vermin" because he was 'enslaved' by the bad kind of fox, and he had bad luck and ran into another "Vermin" who he instantly said was evil due to childhood traumatic experience, killed him,and made up a lie to justify the means. He was EVIL. Evil! that's all he had to say! "He was attacking an innocent mouse! what else was I to do then to slay him?"

He came across a Wild cat who was simply playing a "game" of King of the Hill with a castle with a group of woodlanders, fed them LIES about the Wild cat to, again, justify why he must kill her. Using his mastery of speech, which he excelled in after a 'crusade against evil' spree of lies and hatred, he then got his ass handed to him only to survive because of the plot or by whatever deity is sponsoring him.

The stories are all LIES told by the main character, who was told MORE lies to by the Abbey-Beast to fuel the vicious cycle of hatred in Martin's happy little Abbey!

In Veil's case, he was the son of a "Vermin" and therefor treated like crap and probably not fed or taken care of properly; therefore, he 'Stole' food and played 'tricks', which were not [[ForTheEvulz for the Evulz]] but for attention. He is dying; he NEEDS food, water, and friends. In the end, he did something that a beast other than woodlanders from around the Abbey saw, so they could not change that tidbit in the story; instead, they twist and turn the words and actions of the poor little guy to make him seen as people have said 'Horrid little bastard' so if somebeast from that area reads it, they will assume its the 'Real' Story and thus spread the facts. Even though grandpa and Nana were there and they are still alive to tell the tale that they saw him do something for the greater good, they lied just for a good story and Veil was a 'Horrid little bastard'.

Look at other "Vermin" in the story: the odds, the unbelievable feats against them in favor of the good guys, they are IMPOSSIBLE!

This is to embellish the views of the Cult and spread the glorious word of Martin! and you fell for it, [[UnwittingPawn hook, line and sinker. ]]

So, who will you be cheering for? [[ParanoiaFuel The good guys, or the 'Vermin'?]]

* Um... do keep in mind, that Woodlanders fear and judge vermin for a reason. Namely because they DO do evil things. Throughout the series Vermin kill and enslave whenever they can sometimes just for the heck of it, and for fun. That is "unjust prejudice?" I admit you can't judge all vermin, but Woodlanders don't take any chances, so vermin have to earn their trust before obtaining their friendship, which has happened a few times.
** I think the original poster means, it's a "Hobbit" kind of writing. In the original ''Literature/TheHobbit'', the Gollum scene was later retconned to be Bilbo retelling the scene to make himself look better. (Because Tolkien realized when writing ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' it contradicted Gollum's character) The original poster is trying to say that, the books are from [[UnreliableNarrator Martin's]] point of view. Though I don't know if s/he is actually being serious or not.

[[WMG: Going along with the "all the Woodlanders are in a xenophobic religion" theory, we see the series from the woodlanders' eyes]]
If you were to go along with that trope, that would make the abbey recorders [[UnreliableNarrator very unreliable narrators]]. In addition, this explains why [[KarmaHoudini most of our "heroes" get away with committing what are essentially unintentional hate crimes]].

[[WMG: Veil's and Mattimeo's stories were intended as a moral against teen pregnancy.]]
If Bryony fit the patterns of the other heroes' ages, she would have been about twelve or thirteen when she got him. Since at that age most people don't know how to properly raise babies of their own species, never mind one which could eat them, it's no wonder he turned out warped. Mattimeo was born less than four seasons after his thirteen-season-old parents married, and even with a mouse pregnancy length of three weeks that's a bit young; not only was he spoilt rotten by the beginning of his book, he was saddled with that name.

And their God is [[Literature/WatershipDown Firth]]!

He regenerated from Martin the Warrior. Redwall Abbey is his [=TARDIS=].

If you were to go along with that trope, that would make the abbey recorders [[UnreliableNarrator very unreliable narrators]]. In addition, this explains why [[KarmaHoudini none of our "heroes" get away with committing what are essentially unintentional hate crimes]].

[[WMG: Redwall is an EldritchLocation that makes vermin AlwaysChaoticEvil while Woodlanders are stuck as AlwaysLawfulGood.]]

[[WMG: Redwall is an EldritchAbomination that makes vermin AlwaysChaoticEvil while Woodlanders are stuck as AlwaysLawfulGood.]]

That series is full of much of the same species—various rodents, moles, some lesser carnivores like sables and otters but not so much of the greater ones like cats/dogs/bears—and it's set more or less in a human-less equivalent of the mid-to-late 20th century in human civilisation, what with cars, airplanes, boats and trains, a film industry, telephones and radios (but apparently no televisions, let alone computers, though there are computerised equipment)—all of which would've been invented long after the obviously medieval-equivalent of ''Redwall''-verse technology and societies, and would thus place the series in the far future of the ''Redwall''-verse. Its settings of Pinchester (the in-universe {{Expy}} of New York City) and the desert land west of it are across an ocean from Mossflower and environs, just like North America's across the pond from Britain.

That series is full of much of the same species—various rodents, moles, some lesser carnivores like sables and otters but not so much of the greater ones like cats/dogs/bears—and it's set more or less in a human-less equivalent of the mid-to-late 20th century in human civilisation, what with cars, airplanes, boats and trains, a film industry, telephones and radios (but apparently no televisions, let alone computers, though there are computerised equipment)—all of which would've been invented long after the obviously medieval-equivalent of ''Redwall''-verse technology and societies. Its settings of Pinchester (the in-universe {{Expy}} of New York City) and the desert land west of it are across an ocean from Mossflower and environs, just like North America's across the pond from Britain.

** I think the original poster means, it's a "Hobbit" kind of writing. In the original TheHobbit, the Gollum scene was later retconned to be Bilbo retelling the scene to make himself look better. (Because Tolkien realized when writing LordOfTheRings it contradicted Gollum's character) The original poster is trying to say that, the books are from [[UnreliableNarrator Martin's]] point of view. Though I don't know if s/he is actually being serious or not.