History WMG / RedDeadRedemption

* But isn't Landon around the same age as Uncle? Red's tale took place only about what, 30 or so years prior? (If one fully considers the two games to be in the same universe).

* So would that in turn make the ending of MaxPayne 2:TheFallOfMaxPayne a tragic twist [[spoiler: by having Mona die and Max live? The ancestor with the troubled life gets redeemed in death; while his descendent suffers on despite his sacfrices.]]

* So would that in turn make the ending of MaxPayne2:TheFallOfMaxPayne a tragic twist [[spoiler: by having Mona die and Max live? The ancestor with the troubled life gets redeemed in death; while his descendent suffers on despite his sacfrices.]]

* This actually makes a lot of sense (although it doesn't explain Jack being able to use dead eye) and explains John's dead eye ability, it's a fantastic exaggeration of his sharpshooting prowess and a literary device by Jack to make his father more heroic. it also explains the missions which are chapters in the book while stranger quests are sub plots that are continued throughout the story, hence the mentions of large timeskips between them. This explains Jack's mission to kill Ross not being an actual mission, because it's really happening and isn't a part of the story. Also, Jack could have gotten many of the games events from his father's journal, passed on to him.

This would explain why he is able to teach John and Jack the Dead Eye ability. He most likely changed his name after having killed Governor Griffon, as it's highly likely that the government would be after him and would probably be best living under a psuedonym. It also explains why he later fled to Mexico.

They both heal rapidly with minimal medicine, and have some sort of slow-motion abilities. Marston's Dead Eye is remarkably similar to Max's BulletTime, but John is using the power in a more simple, methodical way. Max grew up in a culture of GunFu and HeroicBloodshed movies, and was inspired to try more acrobatic moves once he discovered his abilities.

* Someone's taking this way too seriously, also one cannot assume that just because someone likes a WMG involving the hero of the game being gay that they loved BrokebackMountain, also if you watch the end of the scene were it is implied John and Abigail had sex then you would see her acting like she wanted to nothing to do with him at that moment, suggesting a lack of intimacy in the act, SoYeah, I mean god forbid that someone have a little bit of a fun theory and have other people elaborate because they enjoy WMGs

[[spoiler: The part of Red Dead Redemption where John Marston spends time with his family actually takes place over several months and Undead Nightmare takes place in between John coming home and getting killed by the Army. When John cures the plague all the people who were zombified are brought back to life, [[AWizardDidIt even the ones who had their heads blown off]]. Most everyone who was zombified thought they were just sick and delirious (Uncle thinks it was all a drunken dream) and the survivors are so overjoyed at having everything and everyone back to normal that there's an unspoken agreement to never speak of it all again. Even so, the events of Undead Nightmare have their subtle effects. The MayIncatec gods punish Abraham Reyes for his desecration of their temple by slowly driving him mad, and his growing paranoia turns him into a tyrant by 1914. Overjoyed to have her father back, Bonnie acquires a new zest for life, gets married, and lives happily ever after. Harold MacDougal's mind is unable to reconcile his memories of the zombie plague with his knowledge of science. He eventually cracks and assaults a fellow scholar at Yale. Irish was so freaked out by the zombie plague that he commits suicide in an outhouse in Thieves' Landing. Greatly disturbed by the zombie plague, Landon Ricketts throws away his guns, renounces violence, and becomes a farmer. Now that he's no longer getting into fights, he lives long enough to pass away peacefully in his sleep. A zombie plague turns out to be the last straw for Marshal Johnson. He finally says "enough is enough" and retires. Edgar Ross knows John was involved with the zombie plague somehow and uses this as a pretext for invading Beecher's Hope with the Army and murdering John Marston. In 1914 Seth steals the MayIncatec mask and claims it as the "treasure" he sought for so many years. He becomes the Zombie Lord and sparks a new zombie plague, which cause the MayIncatec gods to resurrect John Marston as their Undead Avenger to put down the new plague.]]

[[spoiler: The part of Red Dead Redemption where John Marston spends time with his family actually take place over several months and Undead Nightmare takes place in between John coming home and getting killed by the Army. When John cures the plague all the people who were zombified are brought back to life, [[AWizardDidIt even the ones who had their heads blown off]]. Most everyone who was zombified thought they were just sick and delirious (Uncle thinks it was all a drunken dream) and the survivors are so overjoyed at having everything and everyone back to normal that there's an unspoken agreement to never speak of it all again. Even so, the events of Undead Nightmare have their subtle effects. The MayIncatec gods punish Abraham Reyes for his desecration of their temple by slowly driving him mad, and his growing paranoia turns him into a tyrant by 1914. Overjoyed to have her father back, Bonnie acquires a new zest for life, gets married, and lives happily ever after. Harold MacDougal's mind is unable to reconcile his memories of the zombie plague with his knowledge of science. He eventually cracks and assaults a fellow scholar at Yale. Irish was so freaked out by the zombie plague that he commits suicide in an outhouse in Thieves' Landing. Greatly disturbed by the zombie plague, Landon Ricketts throws away his guns, renounces violence, and becomes a farmer. Now that he's no longer getting into fights, he lives long enough to pass away peacefully in his sleep. A zombie plague turns out to be the last straw for Marshal Johnson. He finally says "enough is enough" and retires. Edgar Ross knows John was involved with the zombie plague somehow and uses this as a pretext for invading Beecher's Hope with the Army and murdering John Marston. In 1914 Seth steals the MayIncatec mask and claims it as the "treasure" he sought for so many years. He becomes the Zombie Lord and sparks a new zombie plague, which cause the MayIncatec gods to resurrect John Marston as their Undead Avenger to put down the new plague.]]

*** Yeah...no. There's a difference between speculating for enjoyment and just being ridiculous. I don't care how much you loved Brokeback Mountain, gay cowboys don't exist under every rock.

John is forced to suffer losing the family he fought so hard for, he has to watch society go to hell, fight horrific flesh-eating monsters,kill several friends and allies. And just when the poor bastard thinks his suffering is over, he's brought back as a rotting corpse, doomed to walk the infectd Earth for eternity. The whole 'Mask' thing was simply devised to distract his attention.

Dead Eye would continue to be passed down, except under the name "[[RainbowSix Mark and]] [[SplinterCell Execute]]".

* This actually makes a lot of sense (although it doesn't explain Jack being able to use dead eye) and explains John's dead eye ability, it's a fantastic exaggeration of his sharpshooting prowess and a literary device by Jack to make his father more heroic. it also explains the missions which are chapters in the book while stranger quests are sub plots that are continued throughout the story, hence the mentions of large timeskips between them. This explains Jack's mission to kill Ross not being an actual mission, because it's really happening and isn't a flashback. Also, Jack could have gotten many of the games events from his father's journal, passed on to him.

Dead Eye would continue to be passed down, except under the name "Mark and Execute".

* When he is capturing Javier Escuella, Escuella mentions John married Abigail because "he had to". If you consider it was the old west and homosexuality was not well-received, Abigail could have been his ''"cover up"''.

** [[spoiler: John and Uncle did die in 1911. According to this theory, the events of Red Dead Redemption and Undead Nightmare both take place within one year. If we assume several months pass between "The Outlaw's Return" and "The Last Enemy That Shall Be Destroyed", that leaves ample time for the events of Undead Nightmare to take place. So shortly after John Marston put down the zombie plague, Ross and the US Army invade Beecher's Hope and John and Uncle are killed.]]

* Not bad, except... [[spoiler: When John is zombified, only his grave is visible. It's shown very clearly that he and Uncle died in 1911.]]